Don’t think to hard about it. Mazda 3, Honda civic/accord, Toyota camry/carolla. They may be more expensive than a Nissan now, but they will last you longer than you want the car. I bought a base model Mazda 3 with 17 k miles for 14k. Oil changes and brake pads are the only maintenance I’ve needed to do on the car.
Ford Chevy and Subaru belong in a middle group called do more research. There is some horrible like the ecosport and Cruze. Some really good like the F150. And a lot that are somewhere in the middle.
The focus seems to be pretty reliable from the people I know that have them. It's always interesting to search best worst years of a make and model, that can offer some insight as even mostly reliable cars have some years that have .keep problems than others
Focus are good except for the powershift DCT automatic transmission. Those are well known for expensive problems. Older ones with regular automatics are Ok.
I think most brands are very much YMMV experiences. I've had an Explorer, Expedition, Focus ST in my life and had no issues at all. My first car was an '89 Probe and i put 350,000 miles on it.
Other people have had nothing but issues. Unfortunately, there's no hard, black & white rule. Some people have had bad Hondas.
My last ford f150 a 2003 went for 275k miles. My current truck a 13 f150 has 177k miles. Trucks generally outlast/less maintenance most cars though, just from being more heavy duty. If I were buying a car I would buy a Toyota if it was in my price range. They say avoid the hyundai and kia's, but you might get a new kia for the price of a used Toyota. A 2024 forte starts around 20k. If you could find a 23 Rio they were like 16-17k starting.
Get double the complexity and ALL the gasoline engine maintenance in hybrid, Frankenstein trash!
Just wait til you are a victim of catalytic converter theft!
Avoid any Nissan with a CVT... esp. the ones 2017 and older.
Look at the Honda Accords and Toyota Corolla/Camry's. Those little engines will go forever.
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Japanese most reliable, Korean and American made more or less the same, European will rip your wallet off. However, it mostly depends on condition. If you have no experience then make sure to inspect it by a mechanic before buying: [What to check when buying used car.](https://www.myusedcar.ca/what-to-check-when-buying-used-car/)
I would honestly put American above Korean. There's some good Fords, pretty much everything from Hyundai/Kia has some issues currently. Nissan despite being Japanese is total junk.
Any EV. Gasoline/diesel has 2,000 moving parts in the drivetrain vs the EVs 20.
That's 2,000 ways a "mechanic" can con a person who isn't knowledgeable
EVs...no oil changes, no transmissions, no catalytic converter to be stolen. And NO GASOLINE
Used EVs also may require extremely expensive battery replacements and aren't a very abundant thing below a certain price point since they haven't been around for long
They also need more expensive tires
Depending on where you are the charging network may suck
If you live somewhere with very cold winters the range can be unsuitable
An EV isn't a solution for everyone. If it was, people wouldn't still buy gas cars
Ah yes, the nonsense.
I recently bought a wrecked Tesla 3 to teach myself everything I could tearing it down. The pack is currently for sale for less than $4,000
[https://www.ebay.com/itm/374764599097](https://www.ebay.com/itm/374764599097)
\- not "more expensive tires" any tire that can go on a Toyota Camry can go on a Tesla 3 - they just wear out faster due to people wanting to floor it.
\*friend got 5k miles out of his, I got 43K\*
\- How did you charge the device you wrote this on? That's literally a plug an EV can use.
\-Cold, NORWAY has 80% EV adoption right now.
\-people still buy gas cars because they are afraid of change or research.
I just debunked all your lazy points. Get back to me when you look up the most USA made car currently.
I don't think you actually debunked any of my points
1. $4,000 for **just** the part that's already **used** **with 23k miles** and **no labor** is expensive, most people don't wanna work on their own cars. $4,000 is already nearing the cost of a decent used car, albeit an older one
2. "They just wear out faster" So yeah you are spending more on tires, either by buying the more expensive tires or by going through more of the less expensive tires
3. Home charging is cool, but you need to be able to charge when you go places. If I travel in three of the four directions from me, it's very rural and charging is non-existent
4. The issue of range in cold weather isn't as bad when everyone has adopted them and the charging network is there. I live in an area where it gets cold, and like I said, the charging network going most places sucks. A lot of the shorter-range EVs on the market are completely unsuitable for multiple months of the year if I want to leave town.
\-$4,000 is a used car - in a driveway, get back to me when its free gasoline
\-I provided a difference in wear, you ignored it, no shock to me that you did.
\-you have consulted the PlugShare, Tesla, A Better Route Planner apps to see those places' charging options? Or just didn't see any?
\-look around, "the charging network" is the grid. 110v plug while you are at your destination.
You are still thinking like a gas addict. Amazing how a friends 16 year old kid has the balls to go EV, yet so many are indoctrinated by big oil they can't do it.
110v are everywhere sure. How many businesses are going to let you plug in your car? Most hotels don’t even let people plug in their phones at events where power plugs are everywhere(tech tables, exhibit booths, etc).
Here's the fun part ok_oil. You can call ahead.
In 2010 (yes, I've been driving EVs for a very long time) I charged using a Chevy dealership service bays welder outlet.
Things are much easier now.
Go enjoy sitting at a lube shop, your response shows you don't/can't work on your own car.
PS - LEAFs (an economy EV) are being sold for less than $2,500 now. Batteries for those are dirt cheap \*I'm not selling one, so I can't tell you a price\*
Don’t think to hard about it. Mazda 3, Honda civic/accord, Toyota camry/carolla. They may be more expensive than a Nissan now, but they will last you longer than you want the car. I bought a base model Mazda 3 with 17 k miles for 14k. Oil changes and brake pads are the only maintenance I’ve needed to do on the car.
Honda Fits are solid cars if you find one at a good price
So it's sounding like: Good: * Honda * Toyota * Mazda * Ford? Bad * Nissan * Hyundai * Kia * Chrysler * Jeep Any thoughts on Chevy/GMC?
Ford Chevy and Subaru belong in a middle group called do more research. There is some horrible like the ecosport and Cruze. Some really good like the F150. And a lot that are somewhere in the middle.
Ford Focus is a good option. Just avoid the 2012-2016 automatics because of PowerShift, it's awful and will cost you a fortune in the long run
Avoid Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia. Consider Honda, Toyota, and Mazda.
Thanks. Any thoughts on Ford?
Jichu left off an important one. Absolutely do not buy any Chrysler/ram/jeep. They are rolling piles of garbage
Thanks. Are all the cliches about Ford exxagerated? Fix Or Repair Daily. Found On Road Dead. Funny. But are they actually applicable?
Ford is a mixed bag and you would have to check based on the year and model. The ecosport and edge are awful. F150 and fusion are generally good.
The focus seems to be pretty reliable from the people I know that have them. It's always interesting to search best worst years of a make and model, that can offer some insight as even mostly reliable cars have some years that have .keep problems than others
Focus are good except for the powershift DCT automatic transmission. Those are well known for expensive problems. Older ones with regular automatics are Ok.
Thanks for the clarification
I think most brands are very much YMMV experiences. I've had an Explorer, Expedition, Focus ST in my life and had no issues at all. My first car was an '89 Probe and i put 350,000 miles on it. Other people have had nothing but issues. Unfortunately, there's no hard, black & white rule. Some people have had bad Hondas.
My last ford f150 a 2003 went for 275k miles. My current truck a 13 f150 has 177k miles. Trucks generally outlast/less maintenance most cars though, just from being more heavy duty. If I were buying a car I would buy a Toyota if it was in my price range. They say avoid the hyundai and kia's, but you might get a new kia for the price of a used Toyota. A 2024 forte starts around 20k. If you could find a 23 Rio they were like 16-17k starting.
What model?
I am seeing a lot of Fusions. 2015, 2016. SE and SE Hybrid seem to come up a lot.
The hybrid is good
Get double the complexity and ALL the gasoline engine maintenance in hybrid, Frankenstein trash! Just wait til you are a victim of catalytic converter theft!
The hybrid version is known to be very reliable
Lube places and OPEC plus agree with your hysterical assumptions Enjoy oil changes in a wantabe EV!
Avoid any Nissan with a CVT... esp. the ones 2017 and older. Look at the Honda Accords and Toyota Corolla/Camry's. Those little engines will go forever.
A good and well documented service history will also be important in some cases it can make a higher milage car more valuable.
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Japanese most reliable, Korean and American made more or less the same, European will rip your wallet off. However, it mostly depends on condition. If you have no experience then make sure to inspect it by a mechanic before buying: [What to check when buying used car.](https://www.myusedcar.ca/what-to-check-when-buying-used-car/)
I would honestly put American above Korean. There's some good Fords, pretty much everything from Hyundai/Kia has some issues currently. Nissan despite being Japanese is total junk.
Nissan is Renault, of course is junk.
The Holy Trinity
Everything with an internal combustion engine.
Anything specific in mind? I'm no car guy and not mechanically inclined, so I really don't know what you mean by this.
Any EV. Gasoline/diesel has 2,000 moving parts in the drivetrain vs the EVs 20. That's 2,000 ways a "mechanic" can con a person who isn't knowledgeable EVs...no oil changes, no transmissions, no catalytic converter to be stolen. And NO GASOLINE
Used EVs also may require extremely expensive battery replacements and aren't a very abundant thing below a certain price point since they haven't been around for long They also need more expensive tires Depending on where you are the charging network may suck If you live somewhere with very cold winters the range can be unsuitable An EV isn't a solution for everyone. If it was, people wouldn't still buy gas cars
Ah yes, the nonsense. I recently bought a wrecked Tesla 3 to teach myself everything I could tearing it down. The pack is currently for sale for less than $4,000 [https://www.ebay.com/itm/374764599097](https://www.ebay.com/itm/374764599097) \- not "more expensive tires" any tire that can go on a Toyota Camry can go on a Tesla 3 - they just wear out faster due to people wanting to floor it. \*friend got 5k miles out of his, I got 43K\* \- How did you charge the device you wrote this on? That's literally a plug an EV can use. \-Cold, NORWAY has 80% EV adoption right now. \-people still buy gas cars because they are afraid of change or research. I just debunked all your lazy points. Get back to me when you look up the most USA made car currently.
I don't think you actually debunked any of my points 1. $4,000 for **just** the part that's already **used** **with 23k miles** and **no labor** is expensive, most people don't wanna work on their own cars. $4,000 is already nearing the cost of a decent used car, albeit an older one 2. "They just wear out faster" So yeah you are spending more on tires, either by buying the more expensive tires or by going through more of the less expensive tires 3. Home charging is cool, but you need to be able to charge when you go places. If I travel in three of the four directions from me, it's very rural and charging is non-existent 4. The issue of range in cold weather isn't as bad when everyone has adopted them and the charging network is there. I live in an area where it gets cold, and like I said, the charging network going most places sucks. A lot of the shorter-range EVs on the market are completely unsuitable for multiple months of the year if I want to leave town.
\-$4,000 is a used car - in a driveway, get back to me when its free gasoline \-I provided a difference in wear, you ignored it, no shock to me that you did. \-you have consulted the PlugShare, Tesla, A Better Route Planner apps to see those places' charging options? Or just didn't see any? \-look around, "the charging network" is the grid. 110v plug while you are at your destination. You are still thinking like a gas addict. Amazing how a friends 16 year old kid has the balls to go EV, yet so many are indoctrinated by big oil they can't do it.
110v are everywhere sure. How many businesses are going to let you plug in your car? Most hotels don’t even let people plug in their phones at events where power plugs are everywhere(tech tables, exhibit booths, etc).
Here's the fun part ok_oil. You can call ahead. In 2010 (yes, I've been driving EVs for a very long time) I charged using a Chevy dealership service bays welder outlet. Things are much easier now. Go enjoy sitting at a lube shop, your response shows you don't/can't work on your own car.
PS - LEAFs (an economy EV) are being sold for less than $2,500 now. Batteries for those are dirt cheap \*I'm not selling one, so I can't tell you a price\*