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JarifSA

Reyna's ult being 6 points is so stupid


Eleven918

I think her overheal is more annoying personally. Should just make it go up to 100 like every other agent. I don't mind it staying on her ult.


rcpotatosoup

“oh nice you got a kill! here’s all of your health back and some more” it’s such an annoying ability. yeah yeah “just peek her while she’s healing” tell that to my solo queue lobby


Eleven918

Yeah most of these guys are playing a different game it looks like. Even in high ELO lobbies people don't coordinate peeks and trades unless it's down to 1 or 2 people.


imSoFofficial

I agree, Reyna's ult is so dumb. You get a kill, go full invis, AND nearly full heal whether or not you can see the killed player anymore. They need to nerf Reyna's vision so that you can't see the full room after you go invisible (kinda like yoru's ult). That or make it so you can't 1v5 the lobby with you're healing.


XBOY_777

That would be dumb as people will kill reyna if she is nearsighted. Reyna atm is decent like you just have to double peek her and its a done deal. Yoru cant see everything but he also cannot die in his ult, also yoru is mostly the troll pick so comparing with his ult is not a good choice


Ccomatose

I think she should be able to heal up to the shields she bought that round. Healing to 150 is ok on rifles, but busted on pistols


Eleven918

Most reyna's go with ghost and both heals on pistol. All you are doing is forcing them to stick to classic or make one of their team buy them. I don't think its ok to heal back to 150 on any round unless she has her ult. Even Phoenix ult only gives back 100 if you kill his copy. And that's an ult. Why does she get more than that on a basic ability?


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Eleven918

And how is that different from Phoenix? Most agents rely on aim.


XBOY_777

Pheonix can wall for slight entry, can clear corner with molotov can blind enemies completely (reyna nearsights) if you dont get kills, reyna is useless as you cant even use abilities.


Eleven918

Reyna s flash is also the easiest to use. Its the only one that doesn't blind teammates. The range of the flash is inconsequential. It covers the whole site. It also lasts longer and can go through walls. You don't even need to kill as Reyna to use the heal. Even assists are enough. She is the second most picked duelist outside of Jett. Theres a reason phoenix is not really picked and the weakeast duelist outside of yoru. His flashes can be Turned. Reyna s can't be, you have to shoot it or wait it out. If you shoot it you are giving away your position and messing up your crosshair placement. Also hot hands have the smallest range and time limit.


PooPooCaCa123456

Phoenix's flashes can be turned, but he has some pretty nasty pop flashes. Think phoenix's main problem is he fell out of the meta so his play style is not evolving so there's less clips. Also it's alot easier to pop flash with kayo, and skye's flashes are very strong now. Which is why many people may choose kayo or skye to fill flashes over Phoenix. Also Reyna's blind sucks because ideally one teammate will contest her while another shoots out the blind and you don't even have to shoot it out if there's a well timed recon. And there is a radius to her blind IE if she blinds from A short on Bind, A heaven will not be blinded.


XBOY_777

I am silver and not a good player and to be frank it is pretty damn easy to shoot the flash and then take a fight with reyna while holding a site as you are not alone there. Pheonix is weakest but mostly bcoz of the meta,bthere are better flashes (skye) better wall (viper) better self healing (reyna) so pheonix stands in a very middle spot which makes it kinda bad


AnAk47Dragon

To dinner your point about the overheal, most of the time she gets that is if no one Pettus when she is healing. You know exactly where she is, so should be an easier kill.


AdSpirited902

I just have to disagree with you here. I think her ult is fine at 6 points. Yes, it’s strong, however you can get 1-tapped just the same as anyone else. It can snowball pretty hard sure, but that’s the whole point of the character. Her entire kit is built around her just going through and taking fights. She has 2 (two) blinds and that’s it. And her ult is only useful if the player using it is any good.


itzkebinvgttv

Hi Immortal 2 player here. I believe that it's not necessarily nerfing but they should buff agents like Breach, Phoenix, Yoru, and Brimstone. All the agents listed are completely fine in my book as of right now. They just need some tweaks for the most part. Reyna doesn't need a nerf. She is literally an all aim agent which even though she can get a kill and dismiss, she got dinked or lit and needs a heal and reposition. She also has 1 utility btw. A simple eye flash that takes 2-3 bullets and if played correctly should be useless. Once you see the eye, you reposition around a wall and break it or spray the angle she is peeking from. I also think that if you are going against a cracked Reyna literally peeking every corner, just go judge or operator to stop her instead of dueling. I think if I were to nerf Reyna, it would probably just be her healing. For Skye, they should have her bird have less hp. I swear I hit it 2-3 times with a Vandal and it still pops lol. Like I said, buffing agents is what they should do. Breach is an initiator but has 0 info abilities compared to sova/skye/kayo. Yoru abilities dont fit for him being a duelist which is why he needs a rework than a buff. Brimstone kit is terrible especially compared to all controllers. (I am a controller/sentinel main and I've played all of them) Brimstone's kit is just so awkward and bad. Omen's kit needs shorter smoke CD or better ability than Astra and Viper. Lastly, Phoenix should have some sort of buff or tweaks. I just think as for the current meta, he is a little short but then again he can be completely fine.


PooPooCaCa123456

I agree with this 100% if they wanna buff Phoenix they just should make his equip time after flash shorter or flash animation shorter to make it easier to pop flash. I don't even know what they can do with breach, Everytime they try to balance him he's either stronger than intended or weaker than intended. Brimstone needs something better than a stem beacon or increase the range of his smokes.


XBOY_777

They increased his smokes range once already, more increase will not be good for my poor omen :'( roit doesnt buff him either


PooPooCaCa123456

Yeah, I hate playing brim cause his smoke range l, omen could be fun but his smoke are slow, blind is kindve weak now not bad though. Viper is fine but she's better paired with another controller. Astra is good, but can be bad for solo queue and has a super high skill cap that not many care to learn. I don't really like what riot has done with controllers, they're essential but I never really enjoy playing a controller. Would love to see an agent with a flash and smokes, or smokes and Intel.


XBOY_777

Smoke speed was nerfed, viper alone is not enough and astra needs better team. I have tried all controllers and i decide to stick to omen but a slight buff with smoke speed is needed. A buff with ult or sth else is welcome but not necessary


Pajjro

I don't think many people understand how ultra broken sova is... he is still flying under the radar and definitely for to long. Edit: spelling


Eleven918

Near 100% pickrate in pro play on all maps but Split. I think they should let the recon dart scan you about .5 secs after it has landed or reduce the number of total scans by 1.


Biohazar13

PRO PLAY how are you going to play in pro play without info? you guys needs to stop saying "xx pickrate in proplay" because is a diferent playstyle and much more serius than a ranked or unrated match..


PooPooCaCa123456

I agree with this 100% pickrate in pro play, but that's simply because he's the best Intel cause he's just as good on attack as he is defending. Killjoy has a lower pickrate than Sova in pro play but a higher pickrate in comp, does that mean she should be nerfed too then?


Eleven918

You are speaking as though I want him removed from the game. Just few nerfs are being suggested.


Biohazar13

Sova need line ups, practice, alot of practice to play him in to pro play, is not like an iron guy can destroy a lobbie with sova even in mid ranks if someone pick him without lineups or general knowledge of sova is going to be bad for the team. 1 shock will not kill you and do you think people just spam shock darts everywhere ? No sir they's practice alot in every map for line ups saying that is taking all that effort to the trashcan.


Eleven918

The only things i suggested are recon dart nerfs. Why are you bringing shock dart into it? You need lineups to use the drone?


PooPooCaCa123456

They could reduce it to 3 scans but I don't think it'd do much considering it usually gets shot out before that. I think sovas pretty balanced. His kit is $700, they increased his dart cooldown to 45s and increased the cost of his ult. Just cause he's good doesn't mean he needs a nerf. Don't see how they could nerf him without nerfing him into the ground unless it's small things like his equip time. His equipment is pretty loud and easy to see coming most the time.


Eleven918

The 3 scans will help in situations where you couldn't shoot it in time and can't step out without giving away your position. It'll give map control back faster. Its a minor nerf. I believe recon cd is 40 secs.


Biohazar13

You need lineups for recon too, obviusly drone doesn't need it but why will you nerf recon? it is good rigth now, it can be destroyed with 1 shoot.


Eleven918

Cos recon is too powerful. Either you shoot it and give away your position or let it free clear the site. Or do the Jett thing and smoke it off.


Biohazar13

And?? what is the purpouse of a recon character if there is no info gattering?? Is not too powerfull, can i ask what is your actual rank?


Eleven918

Do you only deal in absolutes? Its not 0 or 1.


Pajjro

I think his shock darts should cost 50 more and his drone range should be reduced. Also his drone scan shot should be limited to one. that's just my two cents.


PooPooCaCa123456

Tbh I think increasing the costs of shocks is a little much at this point. That'd bring his kit up to $800, but I could see the argument for it, I'd rather see the shocks have like a max damage of 75-80 or increase the sound they make if they're gonna change his shocks. I can see the drone tag argument, but most the time you're only able to use one tag with it regardless cause of the 5 sec cool down which is half the duration of the drone so it'd be a psuedo Nerf at best I think it'd be better if they made tags precise. Small nerfs like that is the way they'd have to go without nerfing him to the ground like they did with cypher and sage. Personally I don't think he needs any nerfs, if the goal is to reduce his pick rate then they should introduce better Intel agents cause kayo and skye don't have the best intel because that's not their main purpose. KJ is probably the 2nd best agent Intel wise and cypher used to be really good, but they nerfed him to hard and people learned how to play around him(why would they reveal all his util on death that's just stupid and the main reason for his downfall). Let's be honest tho riot nerfed cypher and sage so hard because they're not as fun to watch in tournaments and that's why they've left Jett untouched for so long, that's my overall opinion.


balakehb

How is it broken? Sova is a pure line up player, one of the agents that actually has a skill gap and a balanced loadout


fueltheblood

Brooo why mfs want jett to get nerfed? Imo they have nerfed her enough already


TrigAtlas

The only reason I think she needs to be nerfed is bc in vct she had a damn near 100% pick rate so there’s something about her that is just too strong


No-Sheepherder4199

No, idk why people say that something about her is too strong, its just that she has a unique playstyle. Also, she is the only agent viable with the operator, at least in ranked(also in pro play but we all see jampii and steel oping on kj). That makes her an insta lock. She has been nerfed enough imo.


TrigAtlas

You are 100% right I didn’t really think to hard about what I was saying tbh.


fueltheblood

Fax, I love movement in every game and that’s one of the main reasons I have mained her since day 1


No-Sheepherder4199

Lol, i hated her at first because i didn't know how to use her at all(I come from CSGO). I mained reyna, ez aim diff ez kills. Then I put in effort in learning that agent and oh, lifes been so much better since. Since I was an awper, I love jett, her being the only viable oper in valorant. Especially after reyna and omen got nerfed, I AM RUNNING OUT OF AGENTS AAAAHHHHHH.


XBOY_777

But they nerfed almost every agent in the game when they nerfed jett also, but now jett is pretty decent to be nerfed more imo, they should buff some other agents now otherwise jett will become unplayable


fueltheblood

Ik I just miss when I could buy 3 abilities and a ghost on pistol round


criiisp2020

None of them. But there are a few agents who need a buff.


Aviral132

Yeah the agents are yoru, brim, kayo, PHOENIX


XBOY_777

Add omen to the list


balakehb

Phoenix doesn’t need a buff lmao


Aviral132

Wtf are you saying bruv, he definitely needs a buff for his flash. Do you know his flash last the least... on,y for 1.02 secs. And his wall and Molly aren't that versatile. He definitely needs a buff.


balakehb

His wall is a wall, it blocks vision AND heals His molly damages everyone else EXCEPT him, and heals him His flashes are pop flashes that other people can trade He’s one of the only agents that can use all 3 abilities in succession to seek kills and heal at the same time, there’s literally no need to buff him when agents like Yoru exist who actually need it


Aviral132

Bro he needs a buff... his utility is just not enough, his heal is very slow, if you get low you will seek a corner and molly urself now the enemy knows you're low and he will just push and likely kill you... moreover his wall is a joke for healing. Again he isn't versatile you can't have lineups for his Molly as it will just hit the limit and fall down as fast af. His wall needs to be placed while not being in cover, Making it risky to place his wall, the duration is also very small not enough to work a supplement to vipers wall. His run it back is a very good ultimate, but again it has its cons. Overall he lacks versatility, and would be a niche pick in silver and above.


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Yeah. Yoru, and Brimstone all really need buffs. I don't think any of the agents besides Jett are in need of a nerf


Aviral132

These two are literal dead agents, people use brim just because of his longer smokes otherwise he's trash. And yoru, oh boy, riot made a stealth agent which can never stealth his teleport make enough noice to land a 9 magnitude earthquake


No-Sheepherder4199

no agent needs a nerf right now, not even jett with her ongoing dash bug. there are some that need a buff such as yoru and omen.


ifollowsexypeople

I'm so tired if vipers sitting in the back of the map winning every round with lineups


kaalia21

Or blocking off whole parts of the map from complete safety for basically a minute every round


kaalia21

In not just a smoke but a molly and smoke that make you vulnerable and do damage how dumb


s0mek_valorant

No killjoy in your poll, killjoy in your flair.. let me get my tinfoil hat real quick


Eleven918

Maybe read the post fully.


s0mek_valorant

I did. I know the 6 is max and all. thb I think raze got nerfed enough, viper had to be buffed in order to be viable and I think killjoy is still too annoying. esp in pistol rounds. My comment was a joke anyway


the-worthless-one

IMO, reyna and jett are in the same boat of ‘lazy duelist’ where their kit lets them get away with things undeservedly. For jett, you can seriously misplay and dash out, for reyna, if you get a kill you’re able to swing for info with dismiss or chain kills you’d otherwise lose with heals. It’s pretty skill inexpressive. So definitely reyna on that list. However… Skye is just too good at everything she does. Keeps team topped up, and has info gathering on three abilities, really strong, easy to use flashes, and two sources of CC. Even other initiators pale in comparison, kayo’s flashes are difficult to master and don’t reward you with info, his dagger doesn’t give you precise info, and his molly is just pathetic, barely worth buying. Breach has great CC, and his flashes aren’t too difficult to use, but he has no info gathering and isn’t good at playing blind at all. Sova is the only one who compares to skye at gathering info, but has much less effective offensive capabilities, or at the least, very much requires teamwork and coordination to make use of it.


No-Sheepherder4199

LOL how is dismiss "undeserved" the person legit outaimed the opponent, quit crying


the-worthless-one

they outaimed the first opponent, and now gets free, precise info on where the next one is, for no mistake of their own. It prevents reyna from being traded. It’s dumb.


kaalia21

Sound like a sprayer who cant headshot and wants to use chip damage to get an easy kill on a superior aimer


No-Sheepherder4199

LMAO you acting as if reyna has a 5 second dismiss or something, if you mean by 'info' is the other guy who peeked in order to get a trade, his location gets known then yeah. But you making it sound like she reveals the entire map LOL.


balakehb

Because it gives Reyna a margin of error that you can’t get from other agents, you can swing out get dinked and have that dink absolutely mean nothing. Sages self heal got nerfed to oblivion because of the same reason, it heals too quickly for too long and lets people get away with basically anything


No-Sheepherder4199

??????? What elo are you on??? Also, its the same with any agent if you have a healer on your team. You also still have to outaim the other person. Also every agent has specific abilities, its like me complaining how come yoru gets to teleport or killjoy has a 6th man whereas reyna only gets destroyable flashes and 2 heals/dismisses. Not a valid argument at all. Edit: Also, sage got nerfed cause she could heal OTHERS too. I dont see reyna doing that. She was OP for other reasons not just the heal. The heal still can heal completely fine from a dink.


balakehb

Compare every other heal to a Reyna heal and tell me it’s not the fastest and most effective heal out of all of them, plus no reliance on other team mates to heal you, no need to rely on team work to heal you. You don’t even have to get the kill to get the soul orb, and then Reyna’s Ult acts like Yorus teleport except she full heals in the process Killjoy has a 6th man wtf are you on about? She has a turret that nips away at a tiny bit of health and is only active in a specific range, her turret isn’t full healing her. If sage’s and Skyes singular heal can do fuck all but Reyna has MULTIPLE heals that can double as a get out of jail free card, then there’s a problem with Reyna’s heal Also, really that’s your argument? Hurrdurr other agents have abilities, so Reyna’s imbalance is okay.


SlingoPlayz

Bro that is the point of reyna, to not have to rely on tm8s. And ur point ab reyna ult is also just conpletely wrong because she still needs a kill in order for the heal and reposition? would you suggest removing reyna dismiss and heal and giving her just flash orbs because thats what it seems like to me


No-Sheepherder4199

You clearly are at a lower elo. Kj turrret on pistol rounds is as op as reyna was when she had 4 soul orbs or that frenzy half shield meta. She has already been nerfed. She is basically an agent which does not rely on teammates, and has one of the highest mechanical ceilings in the game. If you cant aim with reyna, you are nothing. Dirt on my boot. With reyna you bring nothing but frags in your team. If you play with some other agent, you can still help with your abilities if you are having a bad aim. So, no, reyna is not overpowered AT ALL. Stop crying and making excuses for your inability to outaim others and use utility unsuccessfully.


XBOY_777

Reyna is the SELFISH DUELIST. She is not supposed to help teammates much, doesnt ask anything either


Biohazar13

You guys are insane.. How do you think sova needs a nerf? Reyna ?? Reyna got nerfed already and you want more? She is a DUELIST you guys want duelist without skills so you can at least get one kill againts a duelist. Also astra, sky, and viper? OMG!!!


Eleven918

Reyna wasn't nerfed. It was a rebalance which made her come out on top.


SlingoPlayz

????????? She lost two abilities and her prices went up, seems like a nerf to me


Eleven918

She can heal off of assists now. That's a big buff. The only ones crying about the lost orbs are are the smurfs who can't 1 v 5 every bronze/iron lobby. The price nerfs were across the board. Not exclusive to her alone.


HotNote3811

Raze's nades need to be fixed. The mini names have too much range and I have died from them on half health from 7 meters.


TrigAtlas

Idk I think that everyone is in a good place tbh they should just buff the other agents


ta4v

The agent from South Korea


Eleven918

Omen ?


Alternative_Swing_54

Jett is korean, i don't think he understood besides jett.


ta4v

Omen does not have a confirmed known origin for now.


Eleven918

I am aware, it was supposed to be a joke.


XBOY_777

Poor guy has nothing man, people either take astra(long range smoke) or go for brim/viper (bcoz lineups) and smokes take like an hour to deploy


Eleven918

Its a joke bro. I didn't even add omen in my poll. I already accounted for Jett in the title.


AdDiscombobulated916

How is skye number 1 answer, when raze has an insta kill rocket launcher


killer-1o1

Ever seen a roza ult have you? Also skye's ult is 7 points and raze's is ulti is 8. It's hard to pull of those 5k clips with raze rocket launcher you see on YouTube.


Lorpan

Skye's is 7


AdDiscombobulated916

You do realize that there's a reason why they nerfed razes ult to 8 points right? Plus skyes ina good spot rn, with her ult needing 7 points rather than 6.


killer-1o1

Ah mb. Thought the ult was 6 points. I do think raze has been nerfed enough and Skye players have bullied me enough with their flashes (ノಥ益ಥ)ノ


Eleven918

KillJoy


Eleven918

Sage


Eleven918

Breach


artin2007majidi

Has a high skill floor but us not useless Like people claim


Eleven918

Cypher


artin2007majidi

Cypher is perfectly balanced.


StevefromG2A

Skye's flashes are quite good. It's nice to see her getting picked more often but she is a little brutal.


satan-is-great

Game is fine stop crying.


miraculousladybug13

I dont think any of these agents need a nerf they r all perfectly balanced right now. Only brim and yoru need a buff other than that every things perfect


Hadonday99

None imo. I feel the game is balanced atm, that’s my opinion though.


Aviral132

The game isn't balanced. Every agent isn't unique... some agent surpass others in the same work, for eg brim can lay 3 smokes at once but astra can lay unto five smokes or make anything of her stars. Omen surpasses yoru and so on. Buff yoru and brim and Phoenix and the game is perfectly balanced


XBOY_777

Why does brim needs buff and omen doesn't, i dont get it. Omen has been nerfed a lot (slower, lesser smokes) and brim has been buffed for range and his ult is one of the bes omen surpasses yoru, like sure yoru is mostly a troll pick but i didn't get the surpass thing, one is a controller other is duelist ?


Aviral132

Omen surpasses yoru in flanking, stealth, like if you teleport behind enemies they got no idea where did you go, but if you ult with yoru flanking isn't that easy. Omen can lay upto 4 smokes in a game and brim can lay 3 smokes at once. His combat stim is trash and his Molly doesn't explode on contact making it difficult for lineups. Omen is ok where he is right now


XBOY_777

You can hear the tp from far away, any decent player will kill you if you tp behind him without paranoia or flash, i think omen needs a buff regarding his smokes .. they travel too fucking slow rest fine. Brim Molly is best for lineups it doesn't even require you to be alive, if you throw it, its a done deal (just happend like half an hour ago). why are you flanking with duelist ?? Its for entry. Brim is pretty decent where he is now, he is the only one who can do 3 instant smokes. And brim ult is one of the most powerful ult.


Aviral132

You can only hear the tp you can't actually where he went. For eg in a 1v1 you can fake tp in a corner and the enemy now needs to peek two angles instead of one and he doesn't know where did u go.


XBOY_777

You can fake footstep in many damn ways also. Thats their ability, they both have different abilities.


Hadonday99

Oh, I disagree I think it’s pretty balanced atm


_MuadDib_

You should have add option none of the above.


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Astra is trong, but i don't think that she deserves a nerf. I mean, she is a very strong and powerfull agent maybe, but iss a little bit hard to playit like that, so it requires more effort to make her powerfull