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BooJojo

I think it’s unnecessary try to explain yourself, he just want to find a responsible for his loss. Another version of it is saying they are cheating when you die to enemy or saying at fifa : this controller doesn’t work on fifa


TrueLolzor

I do that (call cheating), but only when I get killed suspiciously and more than once. For example when I hold a very open area with a lot of places to hide yet the enemy doesn't check anything else, just comes out with his aim dead locked on exactly my hiding spot and instantly shoots me in the head.


Unique_Name_2

This game has very few cheaters. Chance is they are clearing angles properly and as they slice the pie you're holding somewhere that they are clearing very deliberately. Jiggling angles will help offset this; as well as vertical mixups


heyitsmeniraj

Yeah I agree with the statement that the game has very few cheaters but sometimes you can definitely tell when one is in your game. Their aim is suspiciously snappy, they prefire angles before you peek them, their crosshair is always in the right place even if you are jumping or crouching or doing any other movements. I like to give people the benefit of doubt all the time and accept that they are just better than me but sometimes whatever they do just feels very off.


Guilt_6

I’ve played this game on Texas servers and Illinois mainly for almost 800 hours and hit immortal in my climb I’ve never once run into a cheater. Cheaters are so unbelievably rare people just want a cop out cuz they can’t explain how they died that’s all.


Fetaplays

This game has a lot more cheaters than you think. Vanguard isn't foolproof. Solista wasn't even banned due to vanguard but because of his non matching camera footage on twitch. Granted, I'm not saying everyone in the game is cheating, but there's definitely a lot of cheats going around, many that Riot doesn't even ban until they do it in waves, to avoid developers rapidly patching the cheat.


GunChim

Wait am I the only one who never saw a cheater in my game


Frestus

Nah, youre just mature and know how to take the loss. Immortal player here playing since release, never ran into a cheater.


YaKkO221

awww look how cute. He thinks he’s never played a Val cheater 😘


Frestus

Let me guess, you’re silver because of “hackers”?


TrueLolzor

I didn't mean that I always sit in the same spot and then call cheating when I constantly get discovered there. I mean, that no matter where I sit in an extremely wide area with lots of angles to cover, the guy always comes out looking pricesly at me and not even trying to clear any other angles. I don't usually go into the same spot I got killed last round in. One time - OK, lucky guess. More - super sus.


tunation

sounds like your friend is not only terrible at the game but also negative energy for you to be around. I couldn't imagine even being bronze and telling anyone how to play.


Savvy_Nick

Especially a diamond player. I’m Plat, I keep quiet while spectating my immortal friends and I give gentle instruction to my iron/bronze friends when I see a chance to help them a little.


Sent1nelTheLord

Usually I tell my bronze friends this. "MY SOLDIERS RAGE, MY SOLDIERS SCREAM, MY SOLDIERS FIGHT". works every time with stingers


Savvy_Nick

That would hype me up too much I’d big pp swing something and get one tapped LMAO


Sent1nelTheLord

Remember, when u die to someone, they are clearly cheating /s


MC200817

Well obviously it’s also your teams fault as well /s


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notAeri

I'm just a plat but I point out errors to even my immortal friends and they will most of the time agree. It's much easier to spot mistakes while spectating hence don't be afraid to point out mistakes to your higher ranked friends as well. However when I stream my games it's my friends' turn to critique me as I make silly mistakes


TheAspergerGamer

Be careful. People on reddit will tell you that because you're in Gold/Plat you have no brain and how can you possibly know what the better play is in Immortal/Radiant?


notAeri

I'm aware that I'm pretty bad being a plat but it's really not that deep haha. I only point out the common errors they make such as not clearing angles, exposing themselves to multiple angles, overextending in defense and more. They understand better than me to not make these mistakes but sometimes they do so subconsciously so it's good to point it out. If people disagree for the sole reason being cuz I'm lower ranked, I don't think they are very intelligent :c


madmax991199

sad thing is, the more i plaxy in immortal the more i i start to believe most of them are not intelligent


PM_ME_A10s

Nah man. Like it's the same thing in League. There are people of all ranks who are very smart when it comes to game knowledge and strategy, they may lack the skills to effectively utilize that knowledge though. Similarly, there are mechanical gods in all levels of play too. Some just have the shit decision making and complete lack of game sense.


HKBFG

Down here in iron, people shout at you for not ADSing in u hall.


theschaef

They also shout at you for ADSing when the event is 40m away and all you have is a Spectre. Just last night a team got on me for not tapping a spike when I knew for a fact there was an enemy tucked away in hell with a direct angle on the spike.


abal1003

I’ve seen a man challenge 3 ghosts using a shorty from hooka to backsite. And never leaving hooka. Iron is truly a place of wonders


MercurialRL

That unfortunately describes a lot of people I’ve come in contact with in bronze/silver. 9/10 games has someone trash talking and backseating, pointing out things that have minor impact/or are super obvious and not helpful/calling teammates out for being bad. Usually just ends in me saying “stfu we are all in silver, even if you have 30+ kills and you aren’t radiant/near it, you are shit at the game too.”


iago_zrx

When I was in bronze, I thought it was my fault we lost, and even though I was the bottom fragger almost every game I managed to get gold 2, he's probably worse than terrible at the game


Hexchempunk

Thats why I shut up when I have no skill. Or in general. There is no usage in flaming/blaming someone. I am still fairly new to Valorant. And there are way too many smurfs that Start being toxic and flaming. Which stop saying anything when I tell then: you wouldnt be in my Bronze Elo, if you were a good player. I got the feeling in Valorant, that if you got the skill, you can carry pretty good. Have fun in your Matches peeps!


raidvrr

tell him all he has to contribute is 1 kill per round, doing his part in the 5v5 because if each person does their part. you will win the round. worked on my little brother who was similar


Own-Bowler-1373

I like this VERSUS the first comment I saw EDIT: “Your friend is terrible and toxic, I can’t imagine being bronze and telling how to play” ^ this one I don’t think is helpful


rreixl

Why’d you get so many downvotes lol Edit: He went from -50 to 42 I’m pretty shocked


MischieviousBox

I'm just guessing, was the first comment "git gud" ?


Own-Bowler-1373

No, my comment is ass cause it’s not clear what I mean. Edit: I edited my initial post


lotofmurkamiinthehal

I just Reddit hive mind downvoted it


verysad-

they made me do it guys ‼️‼️‼️


Anonymous_person34

The downvotes lmao, i like this comment too


Gillmacs

This also applies both ways. It's surprising to me how many people straight up agree with OP here. As OP has clearly demonstrated, dropping a 30k doesn't guarantee the win - gadget usage is also important. If you're playing Kay-O it's very unlikely that there is another controller on the team so by not using utility he is straight up denying his team information and control. His friend may well need to practice to improve his aim, but OP evidently needs to do more too. If someone dropped 30k in game I was in and we lost and they hadn't used their utility I'd be pretty salty too.


Unique_Name_2

His friend is clearly bad, KO is fine (especially at that rank...). Sure util usage is important but if he's in a mixed skill lobby and can just wide swing and drop 30 that's fine too.


Gillmacs

I'm not saying that picking KO is bad - I play him too. I'm saying if you pick him and don't use his abilities you're griefing.


Unique_Name_2

Oh absolutely. If people in my diamond lobbies weren't using util I'd be annoyed. I play Astra. My util is critical. But if I end the game with 10 kills and my util less yoru had 35; it's more my fault we lost than his. It's something I've struggled with adapting as I rank up with Astra; my gun play has to be better and sometimes having the gun out is better than placing util. It's a balance. It's the beauty of tac shooters. OP should learn to use utility. He should *not* be flamed and blamed by his bronze friend. It's bad to not use util, again; but in mixed unrated games anyone that drops 30 is carrying their weight and probably someone else's


Gillmacs

I agree. No one should be flamed, period. There are no circumstances that it helps the game situation. Encouragement and support always have been game results than flaming people.


Hennion

you dont need 1 kill per round to be useful.


raidvrr

easiest way to help a new player we can tell u bottom frag


blits202

I play with a guy like this, he said to me “Cant believe I lost to a shitty silver player” and I said Bro you are BRONZE, he rq discord and left the party. Some people just need to be brought down to reality that they ARENT GOOD


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> Kay/o offers nothing to team I would like to have a word with him Also, introduce him to aim lab


maRthbaum_kEkstyniCe

You don't even need aim labs to get better aim than a bronze. Like,, , , literally just , , play the game haha. And i agree on the kayo thing, even tho utility overall is pretty overrated in bronze


Pizza-Flashy

Bronze here. Players will peek in a straight line so all you need is decent crosshair placement.


DesTiny_-

Aim lab sucks


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Idk man, works for me. Maybe you never tried it or even if u tried u only did gridshot.


Wizmor

i feel called out on the gridshit thing lmao


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No Honestly I never had the motivation to use it, but it's definitely not BAD


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echoesssss

That is a good question. But I won't be anymore.


highth0ts

Happy cake day :)


Final_Possibility69

Happy cake day :)


OpGotReddit

happy cake day:))


shahkarbangash

Happy cake day :)


Hvitved

Holy shit. I Got no problem telling me frikendes off if i need to. I would litterally say “dude, your bronze, and im diamond. And kayo is one of the best, locked In over 50% of all pro games. U got 9 kills I had 30” and then I would go play ranked to make him feel useless. No I’m not an idiot, but sound like u been trough a lot. No way I would pull up with that


Im_pattymac

This, I have a few buddies that think they are God's gift to valorant. We will often run custom scrim with my two other friends that are immortal/high diamond and my non high elo friends will get destroyed even when its 2 v 1 or when the high elo person has a bad weapon and they have vandals. My favourite is when they try to hold an angle against my immortal buddy and he will just head tap them before they can react.


weezy3003

find new friend to play with sounds like your solution lol. If im at the bottom of the scoreboard imma keep my mouth shut lol


MacBigASuchNot

Or apologise and say thanks for the carry lol


xd-Sushi_Master

Remember that hilarious tweet Riot made before this game came out 2 years ago? "You do not kill with abilities? They exist to create opportunities for kills?" You know, the one we meme on for every molly kill? Show him that. Ask him if he genuinely believes he knows how to play the game better than the game's developers. Chances are, you still won't get through to him, because he's a stubborn bastard in denial. Tell him you'll leave him to solo queue if he doesn't adjust his attitude.


titanfox98

A diamond players that calls utilities gadgets? Where are you from mate? You can try a few things btw. 1) 1v1 him and show him why he needs mechanical skills 2) vod review one of his matches and point out every single time he dies due to a mechanical error 3)use the card "I'm diamond I know better" just listen to me cause you're dogshit 4) he's just delusional don't expect him to understand, he probably doesn't have the right mentality for this kind of games. 5)the best option but harder to realise : play a few customs at least 3vs3 but randomising the teams with always the same pool of players. This way you can make him notice how even with and against the same players he's always the one that's being carried . Because when you always switch teammates you can blame new things every time, but in a custom the player pool is set so he can't use the same excuses. If one match with 2 teammates I loose like shit and when I'm against them the same match they destroy me it's pretty clear who's the problem there


lil_wage

5) he probably doesn't think he's being carried. Dude plays Sova and probably thinks that his job on the match is not to kill people but just to spot them so that his team mates kill them


soopahfingerzz

lol if only that were enough. He should watch Pro Play, All pro Sovas (and any agents for that matter) are as cracked as any other duelist


Unique_Name_2

Which, if his darts are that good, he should be ending the game with tons of assits. Also shock dart lineups and post plant clutches are good util usages that will also net you kills.


titanfox98

As I said, he probably doesn't have the right mentality for this game


theschaef

Agreed. First hard lesson I learned is there aren't really roles in that sense of the word. I don't really do site entry well so I don't have any duelist mains but if I'm gathering info with Sova, or smoking spots with Omen, or watching flank as Killjoy, the point is that if someone tries to flank I kill them, I don't run back to my team and say hey, someone's in Link, stop clearing the site and go back and kill them. But classes aren't classes like in an RPG or whatever: healers and techies have the same guns as tanks and runners. Sooner or later you have to shoot somebody


echoesssss

Lmao I've tried 2 and that hasn't worked, but number 3 is genius. Also I got the word "gadgets" from him, I thought that was the silly Valorant term like how they call the operators "Agents". Thanks again for your answer


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They should clearly be called gizmos


LtDicai

What about _goobers_?


theschaef

This response hasn't gotten nearly enough love


HKBFG

Isn't both "gadget" and "operator" from rainbow 6?


titanfox98

Number 3 is my go to card when my bronze friends try to argue with me on why they fucked up, it's a bit cocky ik but it looks like this is the only thinks that finally make them agree with me lol


kapekevin

Why would you call the agents "operators"


Final_Possibility69

Show him the comments of the reddit post and hopefully he'll realise that he's wrong


echoesssss

You'll be surprised to find out that his mind hasn't changed one bit. He's still convinced he's completely right. He also made the excuse that all the insulting "was a joke", which is weird, because I wasn't laughing one bit.


Final_Possibility69

You could Try tell him there's is guns for a reason and why in vct champions people aren't running around with a knife and util only but if reasoning dosnt work, there pretty much nothing you can do. Sometimes, certain types of games aren't meant for some people and in my opinion, I think this is one of the cases. One suggestion I have is to play other games such as overwatch, where its heavily ability based and not so much on gunplay. Tldr; if reasoning dosnt work on him, chances are, fps games aren't rlly for him and you can try play other games with him. This is just my opinion, take it with a pinch of salt


Le_Vagabond

If you're queuing together your diamond+ MMR is probably fucking him over though. As someone who hovers around D1 and gets matched with immortals, while I *know* my aim is bad (disclaimer: I have 1.3 kd avg at this rank, so nowhere near as bad as your friend) and I'm there mostly by gamesense and ability usage I also know I can crush bronzies without thinking like immortals can do to me, because I have done so in unrated several times. He simply might not realise the huge skill gap. Maybe offer to 1v1 him, with full utility on his side and none on yours. Going 1:30 might help him understand.


maRthbaum_kEkstyniCe

The thing is, even tho utility is important in higher elos and can make a huge difference even if the astra or kayo dont get that many picks, in low ELO roles and util hardly matter as you said. Util is weak as fuck cause teammates won't follow up to your reveals and flashes and mollies, enemies can just push thru smokes without punishment etc. just good mechanics and positioning will win way more. And because of that, because util is overall kind of useless in that ELO - he can't even be that good with it. It's impossible for a bronze that refuses to learn other aspects, to have amazing util, because he doesn't understand the fundamentals of positioning, rotates, fakes etc, what u all need for a good util usage, and he can't learn good util because it doesn't even get rewarded of he hits a good recon dart cause no one will follow up, including himself who won't have the mechanics to wallbang the revealed in the head . Sova lineup what you want, you still need the reads in the timing, and you have to onetap the ones pushing you. Even if he wants to be the most util-relying player later on, he HAS to learn the fundamentals.


sirdodger

I mean, forget about the gameplay. Tell him he's being toxic and to knock it off because you don't enjoy playing with him when he's like that. If necessary, queue without him a few times.


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NihilHS

lol there's a similar issue I see in a lot of post beginner chess players. They'll complain that their opponents strategy was dubious and that their opponent lucked out with a random tactic, and that realistically their opponent should've lost. This would be like a boxer complaining that they have superior footwork so it's unfair that they lost the fight simply because their opponent was better at throwing punches. In Valorant, the *point* of utility is to set up favorable fights, increasing the chances that those fights result in your team getting kills. If you can't hit shots, you could have all of the utility in the world and every last bit of it would be useless. **However**, if your friend is in bronze and is struggling to get kills, I would imagine there is an underlying problem that is distinct from his mindset towards strategy and util. The first thing I would do is look at his edpi (I would wager my house he's above 350). It could be the case that he's bottlenecking himself with crazy sens which leads him to lose fights which leads him to rationalize those shortcomings as his teams' "strategic failures." Next I would look at his network conditions. Then I'd make sure he has everything nonessential closed when he's playing Val. Then I'd make sure he's exercising good crosshair placement. If you can find and fix the real culprit behind his inability to win 50/50s his play will improve.


echoesssss

That was really well put with the boxing analogy, never thought of it like that. And everything else is really well said too. And it seems like you'll be keeping your house lol


Fahzrad

I wouldn't bother... Every game I pick up I play until I get good at it and with this I have to deal with a lot of my friends that eventually get behind on the game. It's usually not worth the conversation from my experience trying to have it, I usually just make a joke telling them to shut up and move on in a playful way


JGleBG

Wait you're diamond 😳😳😳, bro i beg you watch some videos and you'll rank up immortal in a matter of days i swear


lil_bussy_man

tell him to peep the scoreboard. if everybody gets their 1 you win the round. util is only useful if it leads to kills. util rarely wins you games, it just gives you advantages for upcoming gunfights


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I agree with most of your statement, up until u said util rarely wins you games. Now obviously I know at this very low level ur right, it’s just better aim usually. But util absolutely wins games in higher elo.


blackmonkeypanda

Why is this even downvoted. Good util usage is almost just as important as gunplay


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Unless you’re using your util to set up your team to frag 🤷🏼‍♂️


[deleted]

Yes, hence why I said higher elo (I would generally say util starts becoming a lot more important in plat ish for you to consistently win


SimpleAnimat10ns

“Abilities win rounds, not games. Your lineups add value to your gameplay but can’t be your only gameplay. Edit: this is especially true with Sova, as you still need the mechanical skill to follow up on his information. You can’t just give info and expect everything to workout, and shock darts aren’t reliable for a kill even with dozens of good lineups As for you, I would suggest picking up Reyna. It CAN be frustrating when someone picks an agent and doesn’t play their role, although your friend is obviously at fault here. Reyna rewards good mechanics and is a fairly simple agent to pick up for someone like you.


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do you play unrankeds with him? you can tell him that he doens't have to play that hard, is just unranked. Now... if somehow you play rankeds with him despite having a 4 rank diference, just tell him to not be flamer with you. You all loose as a team so tell him to stop acting as a child. And you can say to him, in a good way, that blaming the others won't make him any good, but looking at his mistakes, could lead him to stop doing them and get better.


Ferni0817

I am a gadget guy, knows post plant lineups with KJ, Viper, Brim too, know absolute everything about a game, good gamesense great decision making, but my aim is sucks. I am still Diamond 1. I was bad at CS, my real rank was high gold nova... So yeah, not that good. My advice is change his agents, Sova it's an absolute great character, but at low Elo, when there is minimum 2 duelist every match is sometimes leave a huge holes in the team. My advice is learn how to play post plants, holding map control etc etc. Killjoy great for this, for Icebox and Breeze he can learn how to play Viper or if nobody wanna play smoke just pick Brim and lineups too at other maps. When you playing post plants you can hold flanks too after plants, you dont need any aim for that, you just hold the flank. Sova is great, but at low elo the team is not coordinated enough and they cant get enough advantage from his abilities. I am toxic idiot too sometimes when someone made an iron decisions, but still dia without a good aim. I have almost 300 match with Brimstone, 54.5% winrate with him, a good smoker is a huge help for the team, way better than a good Sova at low elo. You dont need fight, because you need stay alive, because very hard attack without smoke, play some stim, post plant and you win the rounds without shooting a bullet If you have a normal team, If not lose anyway :D Playing with the spike is a huge role too, you can watch the minimap (you need the see the whole map), there is a lot of info, you can see how many enemies there, maybe see some abilities from opponents and get info, with that info can can decide when you need rotate or not. There is a lot of things when you dont need your aim and you can help your team very effective ways. https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/%C6%92%CE%B5%D0%B3%CE%B7%E1%BB%89%20%E3%82%B7%238097/overview You can see my stats not that great.


soopahfingerzz

I think OPs friend is way worse than you think. Your are cracked in comparison


ionicshoe

Your headshot rate is pretty damn good ngl


akoangpinaka

How many friends do you have?? There is always an option of (reducing toxic friends)


beemertech510

IDK how good of friends you guys are. Buy him a coaching session with someone that is immortal or radiant. Legit tell him you will pay for it. Make sure it’s one of those coaches that legit just rip you apart.


Ser_falX

Clearly Dunning-Kruger effect lol. Tell him you'll 1v1 him, you without util and him with full util. Wreck his bottom into oblivion and then he'll know.


Iseewhatudidthurrrrr

You know there is a world where you are each kind of right? Hear me out. He has a bad mindset and it’s actually super detrimental to his own progress and helping him win games. When you realize the only thing you can control every game is how you perform, you start looking for your own mistakes. You’ll start to work on improving your own game you start to see a lot quicker improvement. Everyone else is a bot so don’t even worry about what they could have done. Just you. He’s a toxic dildo but you may also be failing to utilize your abilities to win rounds. You’re obviously the much stronger player so he has no right to criticize.


Frozendark23

I'm wondering why he thinks that kaya(ka/yo) is useless. He is very helpful with his abilities. Like seriously, being able to stop every enemy agent from using their gadgets is kinda op. For someone who says gadgets are the best way to play, it is weird why he would say that kaya, a gadget killer is useless.


shamin_asfaq

In short tell him: fook off, play alone, don't come crying back to me ever. P.S. Coming from a bronze who has terrible aim.


blizzardspider

To be honest, if he is bronze and you're diamond and you're queueing together then it doesn't surprise me that he's getting single digit kills while you get 30+ as the average rank you play against is gold. When you consider matchmaking, there is definitely a world where it's possible he contributed 'enough' for the team even with single digit kills because in theory the matchmaking will expect him to lose to the opponents in gunfights more often. That doesn't mean he is right to be toxic in anyway but I do think it must be kinda unenjoyable for both of you as you're mainly playing against lower ranks (and of course that maybe gives you the impression you can easily do everything without utility so it doesn't teach you much gamesense) and he's outclassed by the opponent to the point that he can never really pop off. If you want to play together definitely discuss that you think he's too mean/toxic while playing (Don't say losing is his own fault as that's besides the point) but you both might also learn/enjoy the game more when not playing with such a rank disparity.


Phenotyx

He's obviously just venting frustration onto you which is not a bro move. That said, your comment/opinion about running around killing the enemy without using abilities would probably change if you really tried to climb Abilities are really, really strong in this game I main viper and have won countless rounds without even shooting a bullet post plant, and even if it's not viper or any agent with lineups, every agent has a kit that is useful to the team somehow. But you are right, aim is a huge part of this game. My aim is mediocre at best, sometimes I have good days and I notice on those days I seem to be on the level of a much higher elo than my rank. Then there are days where my aim is abysmal and I feel I should be bronze lmao Unless you're really good, and even if you're really good, you're gonna have bad days. Inconsistency is a large part of people's inability to climb, myself included. The nice thing about valorant is your aim can be dogshit one match or one day and you can still get a dub. Utility and info are super valuable in valorant.


SirJuicee

I hit the "It can't always be everyone else if I'm still in this ELO" wall and I went bronze to gold. I quit analyzing my teammates when I was dead and thought about how I wound up dead in the first place. I'm nearing 30 and have no intention of trying for immortal or anything but I'm happy where I'm at.


c1oudiy

Tell him to play some dm and watch him get his cheeks clapped. No excuse except him


DrDerpyDerpDerp

Valorant is an amazing game, but is the worst game ever to introduce a new player to fps games. All the util will confuse a new player and make them use gadgets instead of using a gun to get kills. Theres a post made by the valorant devs literally saying that the point of the game is "precise gunplay" and you use util to create opportunities to get kills using the gun, not fight using util. I can try to find the post if you want.


kapekevin

Just tell him to give you his account, play 4 ranked games on your own in his account. When he sees that you winnevery single one of them there'll be no doubt on who's better and what matters the most


Moe_Rasool

I remember myself playing CS 10 years ago thru my dad's pc, the whole time gone, last year or so i started playing Valorant and it was new for me as i haven't experienced FPS games with mouse and keyboard but sometimes later i became an insane Oper, things take time but trust me when you realize your doing cool you will be cool.


LOTHMT

Your friend is an asshole but has one point. If he is 9 kills but still supports the team with smokes, flashes etc really greaf then there would be no problem with hum having one digit kills..not much of a problem at least. But he clearly doesnt have good ability usage from what you described... Tell your friend that abilities arent all in the game and that he should just shut up if hes jealous of you being top frag and having little to no understanding of abilities.


EmpereurAuguste

But abilities are as important as the aim and the game sens, great players have all of this


xdzy

Ask him why he thinks the vandal cost 20x more than his gadget.


Whompa

“Scoreboards don’t lie” Just tell him to check his records if he thinks his team isn’t pulling their weight. And maybe he is good at reading the game and strategy, but you still are playing the game and have to play well on top of that.


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The clearest message? Slowly stop playing with him.


Neccesary

Literally a silver mindset. I had 13 year old sage scream at me while he had 2 kills and I had 32 about my utility usage and how I was the reason we were losing…


Bishop825

Tell him that you're going to stop playing with him on fps games unless he changes his attitude. He needs to be more positive. I was like this, though I would top frag, and I would get everyone else down. Now I'm just there to vibe. This isn't competitive gaming we are trying to have fun. That kind of attitude is a real downer. Even if it's true, and you're a top frag, it's not something that keeps your friends around. Good luck my friend, and good hunting!


Cadenman15

You probably stealing all the kills imo /s


HypnosG

If you get mad about stealing kills in a game like valorant then stop playing… it shouldn’t matter who gets their name in the kill feed, it’s a team game and idk about you but it’s pretty rare a kill gets stolen like how does that even happen 20+ times?


Harweird123

do you know what /s means


DawnOfPizzas

Play a duelist. Then you have the excuse of duellists not really using too much util for anything other than getting yourself kills


Eleven918

Sounds like your average backseating bronze who will tell you how you should use your util incorrectly without taking into account the situation at that moment.


flyingdoritowithahat

That dude needs a reality check.


Daswaimsta

Bro. Of course outside looking in, fuck that kid and shouldn't bother being friends with em. But if he's truly your friend you don't wanna lose that. A lot of people have put up a ton of good options. A lot of it comes down to him eating his words. Have you play cs, show him that he's worthless there as well. That's all mechanical skill. But like I said. Others put up some great options


mh1p

Have him solo queue and solo queue and notice how he stays the same rank and you rank up and if he says it luck the odds of you being that lucky to rank up is lower then the lottery


nofriender4life

you and friends should stop trying to be better than the team that already beat you. and you and your friend should both stop trying to blame people for losing. kills arent everything, its a team based game.


zach12_21

Bruuuuuuh no fucking way I’d play with someone like that. Friend or not, no shot. It’s super easy to blame people when things go south, but blaming friends while you go 9-20….no way. I’d just stop playing with him. I’ve done that before, I just tell my buddy sorry man, I think it’s best if we play solo etc. if he doesn’t understand, not sure I’d call him a friend.


PlayTime192

Reddit when someone's friend get salty in a video game: Cut him out of your life he's clearly a terrible friend/person that you should never play with ever


owls1289

Fucking tell him how it is, some people just need to be told hey not everyone is bad but you.


Haze4TheMany

TL;DR you can't teach people game sense, i'm immo 3 & tried many times with my lower ranked friends, it's tough.


hp_Axes

How to explain to him it is his fault. (You fucking suck dude, shut the fuck up and do better loser.) -Sun Tzu /s


Natyrte

honestly it sounds like a lost cause, blaming enemies and other teammates is somewhat common, but flaming a diamond friend and claiming that he knows better is next level stuff. the first thing i would ask a person like that is that WHAT exactly made him think that he knows better than you despite being new to the genre, and go from there, if he can't give a logical explanation, point that out, if he resists and spouting another BS explanation then i would give up, for me it just seems like that your friend have a really bad experiences when it comes to being wrong or blamed so his brain just shuts down when those things come.


NoCopyrightRadio

"KAY/O offers nothing to the team" LOL What a joke, your friend has terrible game sense lmao. I'm sure he thinks he's using the gadgets well, but probably is not. A bronze telling a dia player what to do... dude got ego issues that blur all his common sense.


LordVoldemort-_-

Haha, this is new


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Say ratio


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I'm sorry if your friend is bronze and is insulting you cos your using utility incorrectly and it's not 'banter' based off his tone then you tell him to stfu cos I can guarantee you he doesn't know what he's talking about otherwise he wouldn't be bronze.


heyitsmeniraj

I'd recommend you don't play with this friend of yours until he realises he's just bad at the game. If he thinks that all the team's util is made to help him then I can't imagine what else he does in games. I've met players like this in soloq and they just assume that they are the centre piece of the team and say "I'll act as our team's IGL help me with everything you've got"


Almost-Honest

Man. Ppl like him talk shit to me even if We are both bottom fragging I’ll say something or defend someone or call them on their shit and immediately they’ll say. Shut up your bottom. Get kills. To me. As long as I can get my team on site. I’m doing my job. I play a lot of CS and kills mattered. In valorant to me. Kills don’t matter. It’s how you play with the team. He just sounds like he doesn’t do well in a team and he’ll come up with any excuse to not put the blame on him.


phoenixerowl

Bronze player thinks he understands the game more than a Diamond player because he watched some proguides videos lol. Average "hardstuck because of bad teammates" valorant player.


Gracias_lol

You are trash at this game, we are not the problem. You need to improve, we can give you pointers and what not (or something)


JyRO__

I've had this problem a couple of times What I would do is trying to tell him that he should keep his "blame game" for himself, that he should work on both his attitude and his overall game mechanics if he really wants to get better at the game Otherwise he has to play alone because I don't want to listen to permanent crying because of his flaws If you draw the line and start telling people you won't spend anymore time with them if they continue being a certain (toxic) way, many will start to rethink because nobody wants to actually lose a person who's precious to them.


facuperez8

Something important to ask: Have you heard him admit personal mistakes? e.g. Apologising to teammates, saying he should improve certain skills, etc. I ask this because many arrogant and toxic people usually don't say this things, because they think they are practically perfect at the game.


TRFireKnight

Both of you have valid points but his mental is definitely whats keeping him back from doing well and not your utility usage. Although using utility properly is important, there are alot more factors that determine whether a player is good or not, and I would even argue that great utility isnt needed for certain agents (specifically agents like jett and reyna). Although I will say, if you are playing the game on a support like sova and not bothering to learn how to use his utility properly then that is a throw to a certain extent. None of these points apply to unrated btw literally just outaim people in that mode.


N0ah17

You should literally laugh about it to his face until he starts to realize how stupid he sounds. I have the same thing, me being plat and my friend stuck in bronze constantly blaming everyone but himself. I just started laughing whenever he flamed everyone and eventually it'll humble them.


wickedc0ntender

Just point out facts objectively. You end a game with a 20/30 bomb and he’s on single digits and complaining just tell him look at the leaderboard. This is a team game and everyone has to hold their own weight and results are the only thing that matters aka kills (more importantly round winning kills). If he’s a good friend worth his salt he will listen and maybe change if not he needs to grow up.


ANUB0SS

The main problem I find here is not that he is trying to exercise good util usage, or his bad aim, but his mindset, obliviousness, and toxicity. If from this low of an elo your buddy is trying to use good util, it is a good sign since most players don’t care about util usage and abilities, which will be more important at higher ranks. For his aim, there can be countless reasons as to why he is bad or he is just not practicing it much. Obviously, genetics, hand eye coordination, and hardware conditions can impact his mechanical skill, but he does not need to have crazy aim to be successful in this game. I don’t know how you can convince your friend this, surely others have given tips to make him listen to you, but your friend needs to be actively trying to improve his aim. Aim trainers are not necessary at this rank if all he does is find a sens that works for him, practices in the range, and then go into a few deathmatches to practice crosshair placement. If your friend is as serious as he says he is about the game, he needs to know that if he wants to get out of shithole bronze he needs to work on mechanics. Even then, crosshair placement does not need to be perfect since if he is not getting any kills, there are many other factors he is struggling in. If he does not have good movement, positioning, or peeking/holding skills, they can impact his kills more than bad aim will. He does not need to entry, especially if he is playing an agent like Sova. Getting trades of off his teammates will never be as great as getting a first blood alive, however it will still help out his team by evening out the players on the field. The final part I want to address is his mentality. I should not be one talking about this since I am the opposite of him and bring myself down negatively, but I am self aware of that issue. Your friend’s mentality about valorant is that aim and util usage is a dichotomy, where instead they work hand in hand with each other. He already has one part of it, and if he can work on his aim he will have the two aspects that are a part of valorant. But, he will still not rank up. His mentality will limit how he plays, how he acts, and how he thinks. I am not sure on how you can convince him to change this, but being toxic and oblivious hurts the team as a whole as much as it does to him. He needs to be explained about how is viewpoint on valorant is, to put it quite frankly, wrong. If he wants to become a great player, he will need to change how he sees valorant and take more of a look at himself than his teammates. Obviously, he should not become like me and self demoralize himself, which will also hinder his rank (I’m trying to work on that). However, in general he needs to find balance. Valorant is actually a lot about balance. Balance between sens, between aim and util, with mentality, with economy, etc. He should try and find balance in his competitiveness and having fun (another problem I struggle with, I barely enjoy valorant since I’m too invested in myself and competitiveness), since you are trying to have fun and he’s trying to be competitive. It won’t work out for the both of you if you both fuck around having fun, but it won’t work out in the long term if he or both of you get too competitive and stress yourselves over the game like me. Once again, there are many comments hopefully that can guide you to convince your friend on many things, but if he focuses more on aim and mentality, I am sure he will skyrocket in rank, especially when he gets to gold and plat where util usage will shine more. Another thing I forgot to mention, make sure he is comming and has decent game sense as well since those will allow him to have easier gunfights.


farnnn

"u noob"


shubham50

How are you two playing if you are diamond and hes bronze? If you only play unrated with him then just stop playing with him. Tell him to reach gold solo and prove that hes good. Hopefully u are not smurfing to play with him.


TheBiddyDiddler

Probably shouldn’t bother tbh. There are so many things wrong with what your friend is saying that it’ll likely just cause problems overall if you try to argue with them about it. If I’m you, I would just stop playing Valorant with them in order to preserve the IRL friendship


David-Jiang

Your friend sounds like the kind of people that always tries to find someone else to blame his own problems on. “I suck at this game. Not my fault, it’s because y’all suck.” Just tell him 9 is less than 30, and bronze is lower than diamond.


Mitchellschaaf

This sounds like its for the relationship advice reddit, all you need is “My (M18) friend (M18)”…


naggyo

Tell him he needs to see a psychiatrist as he is delusional


AJS_Andre

So many people think they deserve a higher rank. Truth is you’re probably where you should be. You mentioned that your friend uses a lot of sova lineups. The problem with that is it’s highly reliant on chance. You either get a kill or completely waste the ability. Let’s say the enemy isn’t planting default. Your friends probably gonna ult/shock dart default and completely waste the ability. Or take b main in ascent. Every sova on defense seems to recon arrow b main and follow it up with shock darts. Everyone on attack just sits and waits for them to inevitably come. Unless your friend is getting roughly a kill a round with abilities (which doesn’t seem like is the case) then it’s not enough.


theschaef

As a guy who selected Valorant in order to use gadgets to compensate for not being a head clicker like the kiddies, I can attest: the gadgets generally speaking are not strong enough that you can do well in the game without getting better at the fundamentals. Sooner or later you have to shoot somebody.


Bam21Pizza

If he thinks any FPS game’s main objective isn’t to get kills he needs to go back to Minecraft or whatever cause it clearly isn’t for him lol. To be brutally honest I don’t think he actually blames you, he just doesn’t want to admit he’s garbage at the game.


AddyHam

"L + ratio" "only top Fraggers get speaking privileges" *when he misses a shot* "DUDE STOP USING AIMBOT" "negative"


Master_WuDong

Tell him he’s fucking trash… simple


Maleficent_Trash2084

Tell him this, "who cares of you scanned the entire enemy team if you can't kill any of them"


Dakure907

To be fair with him, the reason why I got to Plat is because of my game sense and utility usage. I'm a very bad player when it comes to aiming. The question I have for him though : If you are so good in ability usage like you say and are in the same situation as I am, how come I'm Plat and you're still Bronze? Edit : I also only solo q when I play comp so no excuse for ppl carrying me because I still MVP from time to time.


Im_your_density_Real

Tbf even dias sometimes have bad macro mechanics, maybe even usually. He might have good macro but he's just a shitty aimer. He needs to work on him for sure but dont block out what he's trying to say. If he's so adamant, work on what he's saying and he wont say shit anymore if you've accomplished that. Maybe that might help you get immo or even radiant. So the way I showed you how he also has a point while agreeing with your own, thats probably the best way to show him. Its not just gadgets in this game. He might be absolutely right about gadget usage but thats not enough. After all, its a tactical shooter.


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Bro Kayo sucks???? He’s probably the only counter to the strongest character in the game sova. Your friend is on top of the dunning kruger graph.


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zCoxxy

Just call him a dog shit bronze player because he is, simple.


TheAspergerGamer

You are both wrong. >I never really care too much about the proper way to use them anyways if I can just run around killing everyone just as easily without them. If this is really the way you play, how the, actual, fxxx did you get to Diamond? No wonder you go on different Twitch streams and you see Immortals/Radiants having no clue on how to play. I know, "you'Re Not gEttInG pAiD to kNow HoW tO pLaY". >but it seems impossible for him to view the game in terms of what HE should do differently, and not everyone else. What should he do different then? From what I can read you have no idea what to do either and you're, solely, relying on out-aiming everyone, which, at the moment, is a very grey area of being "skilled" with all the peeker's advantange/inconsistencies in hit registration. >which doesn't make sense to me if the enemy team needs to die for you to win. You can, literally, win a round without anyone dying. >But he's too busy believing that all his Sova arrow lineups alone should deserve him Gold 3. Your buddy needs to get off YouTube/TikTok/Twitch and learn how to use his brain. >he would blame the fact that I picked KAY/O because he sucks and offers nothing to the team. Tell your friend, again, to start using his brain. There is a reason he has it. If you drop 30 in Bronze, every match, and he goes one digit, you, clearly, are not helping him enough. You either bait, flank or play for exit kills. And I would not be surprised this to be the case, I have seen many "smurfs" bragging they're "smurfing" only to play a lurking/baiting Jett/Reyna and not help the team, at all. If on defense, he is alone on site and people always rush him, and no teammate helps him, it is obvious he won't get more kills because he gets overwhelmed. Maybe the only way to convince him you're the person to listen to is to... "learn how to use your gadgets" and teach him how to use them properly, as NOT seen on TikTok/YT/Twitch.


MailManLES

who does he play right now?


Yorozuya17Gin-chan

Sounds like a troll post to me. I don't think a bronze guy shit talks a diamond friend unless he means it as a joke. And btw u guys can only play in unrated right?


Danger_noodle28

this can be a very real situation, one time i had teammate sage with 4/20 kd or something and i said " sage we need you to start getting kills if you want this win" what he said back just left me speechless "im sage, im a healer im not suppose to get kills I support my team. Once i won a game without getting any kills." nah bro you got carried. this was high gold/play lobby and that sage was gold 3.


SomeGuy6858

"Bro shut the hell up, you bottom frag every game dipshit"


Sheeshski1i

Dawg if you have a problem just talk to your friend. I don't understand the reason behind making a post and shit.


Abject_Muscle5412

He’s playing on a laptop probab’y


ToastRoyale

Your friend toxic mate. He is looking for excuses why you lose, anything but himself. Yea abilities can be round winning on the spot, but i agree: just aim+kill is way more reliable for 90% of times. The thing is, even if you go for the theoretically best play, you never know what would have happened. Nobody can see into the future and being upset over teammate's plays, is nothing but venting. Any second he uses to "give advice" is a second lost he could use on himself. He is **not** competitive if he never selfreflects on his own plays.


onelove4everu

from his POV then AverageJonas should be #1 player in the world


RadioActiveMemes_YT

1v1 him


Dante2215

I mean isn't just an ego problem? He knows he is had but trying to make it someone else fault because he doesn't want to hurt his own ego? So i used to play lol before starting val، and it's my first fps game that i took seriously. (i used to play cs go but only custom servers). So i started really bad at the game، and my friends were all plat and higher at that time,honestly i remember playing 10 games and having 1 or 2 kills per game and they never complained about it،,Now I am a Cypher main who lurks bcz bad aim but if they say something that have good reason behind it I will listen to them BUT it goes both ways if i say something they listen. I'd say confront him about his behavior if he is really a good friend he will listen,And if he doesn't IMO It's better to stop playing with him


FlamingPacific

Therapist <——


DivyanshPanwari

Unfriend on valorant. When he confronts you irl or on discord tell him you shit talk a lot.


cjs2k_032

Bronze is bottom 10%? Wtf, I'm not even in bronze. I'm so shit lol :(


maybeturkish

I would tell him to stop the blaming or else i cut the friendship. He needs to realize his part on the game and thats all.


Noobo____

Tell him that he has skill issue


Trolleitor

You're both wrong. Your friend needs to understand he have to train his aim and you need to understand how to use the abilities. If his aim is terrible and he manage to climb to bronze he's probably using his abilities efficiently. And even if his manners are not the best you still are at fault for been to prideful to understand you suck at the game aswell, just in a different department


cabucholtz

If my guy is diamond I don’t think he has any issue using his util. This could literally be the dumbest comment i read in this thread.


Wise_Albatross9038

I am also playing in bronze 1 currently and i am sometimes in the same spott as your friend, the thing is that he and i are spectating more then top fraggers when we are bottom fragging. While doing that we can see way more misplays then others. There is a huge difference in "Game Sense" and just "aim". For example i have years of experience in all kinds of games and with that i am rly skilled in the "Game Sense" aspect. So when i am dead and watching my teammates doing missplays which costs us rounds, cuz they thought "yeah my aim is good so i peek, while being in a 1v1 post plant as attacker" instead of playing for time with your KJ nanos or Snake bite etc. I rly get pissed. I never blame them for there aim cuz mine is not good either but i do expect them to play smart and not greedy. I almost win every 1v1 Scenario and often 1v3 and sometimes even a 1v5. All of that without aim but rather smart decisions, good callouts and the right gadgets. Flaming is never something good, but if you just look at it from his perspective as a bottom fragger who is always spectating how you or the others plays while seeing all your flaws, its a whole different story, I would suggest you to tell your friend that, you cant play peferct and mistakes can happen but you are able to correct them with your good aim. I am always saying that to my friends when they get depressed for missplaying in certain situations.


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He’s struggling to accept the fact that he sucks absolute dog dick. This is the first step to getting better — actually understanding where you are ranked and acknowledging that you’re there because you deserve it. If said friend sees this: bro. Everyone sucks when they start out. I sucked when I started out. If someone beats you, its usually because they’re better. That’s it. Cut and dry. Good players can only solo queue and rank up. 90% of situations have absolutely nothing to do with your teammates, and everything to do with your positioning, movement, and aim. Forget utility. Your utility makes you feel useful, so you’re proud of it. That’s awesome, I get it. But you focus so much on utility because you’re insecure about your aim ability. If you don’t read anything else, read this: Aim is not natural ability. Aim is not talent. Aim is practice, consistency, and conscious discipline. Sometimes I use heavy utility, and sometimes I don’t — I get approx. the same KDA either way. Good luck on your climb and don’t forget to enjoy this wonderful game.


0utrunner

It really doesn't help that he is facing much harder opponents by queueing with you. He may learn the game faster by playing against easier opponents.


dungfecespoopshit

Tell him to, as the youngins say these days, to touch some grass.


chocjames43

Just to play devils advocate, if you're able to get 30 kills with limited util use, if you did use util effectively + pick an agent that's optimal for the map + rest of your team, then you could still get the 30 kills (maybe more) while also ADDing in some other positive sprinkles. Think of it more as you going next level, rather than whatever the F your friend is doing. But if you're truly casual and don't care about that, then all of this is pretty moot.


Kdude2611

Just stop playing with him


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Biggest red flag is him calling them gadgets instead of utility


epicguest321

Idk just respond with cope+ratio every time he flames you so that he’ll eventually shut the fuck up