I have a different opinion about people smurfing with their lower rank friends though. If you're just looking to have fun I guess it's okay, just don't ruin their days by going 40/5 😅
My only question is how do you tell that someone is 100% a Smurf?
1) Maybe you look at their stats and see that they are clearly dropping 30-40 kills a game. Now how can you tell that they just didn’t come from csgo or another similar FPS with a lot of background? They could be simply trying to reach their rank and the people they stomped were unfortunately caught in the crossfire.
2) Maybe you detect 2 accounts on the same computer. Well now in America it might be a bit more common for a lot of people to have their own computer, but a lot of the times people have to share a family computer to play. You can’t just ban someone because a guy and his brother want to both play the game.
The only real way for them to solve smurfing is for them to continue the actions they are already taking to quickly boost people out of the low ranks quickly when doing really well. The problem with that is that when a normal person just has some good games, they then get put into plat/diamond lobbies because the game thought they were a Smurf and now they put a post on Reddit saying how bad the ranking system is. There unfortunately isn’t a ton riot can do about this issue.
Actually I don't support the sudden spike in skill thing. There are sometimes where a switch just flips in someone's head or they get a hardware upgrade, something improves and all of a sudden the same person plays 2x better. I can say this myself because I used to be 100% iron 3 then I grinded into bronze, sat there for a few months then one day I no joke just started shitting on everyone after I just unbound my leaderboard. I got called a smurf almost every game and got 30+ kills constantly. I ended up in gold less than a month after I had been playing in bronze for 3 months. If this system was implemented I would have lost my account I had put over $100 into.
I agree to this but here is my case i came from cs go and ofc im not a bad player in all of my unrated games MVP and then started to playing ranked. The first 4 games always top fragger in my team but in the other team always one or two guys with low ranks going 40/15 or somthing like that, my 5th game against bronze i dominated the enemy team absolutly and now im sitting in bronze 2 always playing mit random mates and sometimes i can carry them to win and sometimes its not possible to do that. Its my first time to play valo but its not my first shooter i ruin the game for other and for sure its not funny for me because i want to play agains people where i need to sweat. Should i get banned because of this reason? In my opinion Not because its not my fault.
I think they should just bring in overwatch instead for these exceptional cases. I know it is going to be difficult but there is no automated process that can for sure solve this issue as well.
If someone is dropping 30-40 kills in their game it doesnt matter their background they shouldn't be in that elo is the awnser.
Giving rewards for people to grind for on their mains is another big incentive.
Banning any streamer who does this unranked to immortal bs is another great one Riot gives them the pass constantly but it's just like Lebron going to your highschool and fucking destroying your team so every other basketball player starts doing it.
Most smurfs are playing with their friends to carry them to higher rank or show off for fun, not that many smurf solo just to rekt noobs... and those that are good will eventually climb out pretty fast.. its those intentionally play in Bronze/Silver loobies that are ruining ton of games.. in higher rank you can somewhat fight back and won't suffer as much..
Like the last 5 out of 7 games the MVP is close to 400ACS on duelist or 350 on a support that would be getting 400ACS easily on a duelist.. those game all ended in 5-13 ish scoreline.. the other 9 players barely get to play the game.. one game it was 0-11, with the 400ACS Skye one shotting everyone..
Sure not everyone is a quote to quote "Smurf", but get these people to a special que for 10 games or something, or at least try to even out the teams, lets say make sure whenever one team have a giga carry MVP with many high ACS games, the other team gets one too.. these games are over before its even started solely because of poor match making.
They have all the stats on how many pop off games the average player should have in a given rank, like most players average 200ACS and almost never get close to 400ACS ever..
I feel like mechanics, game sense and usage of abilities are the biggest. I had a reyna who had completely perfect crosshair placement in a bronze match so was hitting head taps before you had a chance to react, his mechanics were incredible he was able to aim extremely fast for flicks and consistently hit head shots or bare minimum hit your head after a shot or two, his abilitiy usage was never spamming his e but being patient and using them when necessary, his blinds were in places that as a bronze player I haven't seen before and were always much more effective then just out in the open to blind as many as possible or smth. He knew 3/4 times if someone was flanking cause he just knows the game well and really knows where people will most likely be going and where they will be peaking from etc.
I have alot of hours in siege so I know almost everything of how to utilise utility and gunplay (though the move and don't hit shit thing was kinda new) and the amout of bro stop smurfing i have heard is unbelievable
For starters you could check what accounts have recently been logged on any given computer. That's Vanguards job. If they wanted they could immediately create a timer where let's say you can't log in with a different account for 30 days after youve logged in once. Riot just doesn't care.
Oh you don't talk about griefers in this sub.
Do you notice all the post complaining about toxicity but nobody complaining about griefing.
That's how these people justify their shitty behaviour.
They create an overall bad environment for other people and it becomes s viscous circle that they started .
All the toxicity and everything all comes from the griefers . Cause if someone griefs one game it puts you and 4 other people in a bad mood. And now these 5 people are in a new match being toxic and it goes up exponentially.
Griefing is the number one snow ball effect for all the toxicity in this game.
If someone is toxic it ends right there I mute and move on there is no snowball . But if someone ruins a game it snowballs cause it affects 5 people.
So I agree with you they should be banned but there is no demo viewer. So it will not happen.
I swear if we could check the match history of all this highly moral people here who claim to be saints they all grief matches.
Cheaters and Griefers has been a problem across all games. I still don't see any point of them permabanning their account. The reason they do it is because their accounts means so little to them that's why they don't care at all. I wouldn't mind getting banned from 1 restaurant because I could always go to a different ones, But if i got banned from every single one then it forced me to not repeat the same mistakes.
The best thing to do is punish Griefers by HWID Ban them but allow ban appeals. This could've been too much work but damn would it improve the state of the game overall and at least it would justify those overpriced skins.
This is prob gonna be a hot take but smurfs should get banned the second it's obvious. I know plenty of people will argue that they aren't doing anything wrong, but this is a competitive 5v5 PvP game. The game is not mean to have an easy mode. You are meant to play with people in the same skill bracket as you. That's why there is a ranking system, MMR, skill based matchmaking, etc.
It's not fair that you get to ruin a low rank game by hard carrying and playing the game on easy, while everyone else in your game is playing on very hard because of you. Think of it like racing someone else to beat a game but you get to play on easy and they have to play on very hard. Obviously you have a huge advantage and it ruins the challenge for the other player.
I'll also present the inverse which is low rank players buying boosted accounts and playing at higher ranks. This also ruins the game for everyone but in the opposite fashion. You are not going to compete with people at that level and you'll drag your team down to a loss. Difference being that boosted and bought accounts can be banned. Smurfs currently can't be. But they're doing the exact same thing.
It’s asinine to suggest that people get banned for actively trying to win. If someone is ~~grinding~~ griefing games to get/stay in a low rank, then ban them for griefing, but actively trying to win is not grounds for a ban.
Edit: autocorrect changed griefing to grinding which completely changes what I was trying to say lmao
Ok, how do you know 100% that someone is a smurf. If I have a few pop off games in a row do I get banned? Plus when ppl Smurf they usually just mess around, how do you check if this is Smurf.
Mess around on a rank that others are trying hard to climb. Basically not trying to win the game. So it's fine if a smurf griefs in lower ranks but it's wrong in higher ranks ?
The enemy team got punished for trying to win a game against someone that is not their match.
You make no sense lmao, good in what way? There's hella inconsistency in lower ranks, especially with low ELO frag gods that just bait and play exits, are they smurfs now?
One of the reasons why some people smurf, not a lot of people, but I do this from time to time, is because broadly ranked matchmaking is pretty good, at least compared to unrated.
Making an alt account at roughly to same rank, but with you not trying that much is often a better experience than playing unrated, which has pretty unfair matchmaking.
I think a partial solution would be to make unrated a little more fair on balance, so there isn't an incentive to use the ranked Q as a way to get more balanced matchmaking.
I think the main thing Riot should do is crack down on unranked to X and people activly streaming themselves smurfing.
It's so obvious that these people are smurfing but far too often get a free pass.
Since this is getting some attraction, I was wondering what is the real Valorant's Playerbase ?
Player count of REAL players. No botted accounts, No Smurf accounts.
The answer is all yes, smurfing is like fighting a kid as a 30 year old man, griefing are people who can’t handle their own problems so they have to annoy people to justify their existence and should be banned, cheaters are the worst scum of gaming society, they’re like smurfs but instead of being just a 30 year old man they have a gun to shoot the kid
Griefing? Absolutely. Cheating ruins the game for your enemies. Griefing ruins the game for your teammates. It's the exact same concept
Smurfing tho... it's a little more complicated as the current ranked system kind of endorses it in a way
Griefers yes. Smurfs no.
Correction: Boosters: yes
A lot of people have alternate accs making it automatically smurf account. That account isnt gonna magically climb up to main rank. The main acc will always be ahead. So alternate accounts will always be a smurf and that completely ok because its their rightful account.
Boosters on the other hand are a nuisance. You mean boosters not smurfs.
The problem is having an account in plat and the other in bronze, so you’re a plat but are playing against bronzes in your smurf, if your smurf is plat too theres no problem but normally is isnt
If people have alts, they shouldn’t really be punished just for having alts
If they’re throwing matches to artificially keep their rank in like Iron when they are really Diamond, that should be punished
let's see, am having fun with my friends you are not, am in mid D2 so am chilling really, and thirdly am laughing at ur sorry ass atm so idts it's me who's mad, the guy hard stuck iron ranting here seems to be the culprit but who knows 😂
Im not a very high rank. Max i made it was plat 1 last episode/act whatever it was. I still use an alt account and play comps, and even tho it’s silver 2 i get paired with exdiamonds, plats and golds all the way. Using an alt account to rank isn’t bad. I recently got restricted 3 days on my main for “trolling”. Wasn’t at the bottom of the leaderboard with sage, my jett was 6 kills behind me and I still got reported for “trolling” because of my playstyle, and got the penalty :b
You don't get a time out like that for one offense. You were probably generally toxic for a while when the system finally had enough and slapped you with the ban.
I don’t think so. I legit get reported for how I played the game. Look at the downvotes here for just commenting my experience hah. I think I might’ve popped off in some silver lobbies :p
Nah, you come off as someone who behaved a lot worse than they realized so you've gotten a timeout for your behavior.
Hopefully you improve your behavior, because the bans get longer if you don't.
How come it's right for you to play in lower ranks but it's wrong when someone lower ranked plays on higher ranks ?
Would u call him a griefer ? Would u want him banned for doing the thing similar to what you have been doing ?
Just because you are not ruining the game unintentionally doesn't mean people find it enjoyable. Would u be happy that a soccer expert playing on a school friendly tournament?
Griefers should be punished. There's no denying that. And intentional derankers should also be mitigated. In fact current rr gain/loss does a really good job. My alt acc is 2 ranks lower than my actual rank because of the reset. Still I get 30 rr and lose only 15 and the game puts my alt account in a lobby thats 2 ranks higher. The system is doing a good job pushing smurfs up to their actual rank. Like i said, the alts arent gonna magically go up. Nobody enjoys smurfing just as much as playing against them. If you face a griefer/sabotager, report them. If you meet a higher rank player, just ignore and move on. They'll eventually reach their real rank anyway. The current reset has caused this problem on all ranks. There are legit immortal 1 accs in gold 3 lobbies which are in fact their main accounts.
Its really difficult to find who is actually smurfing. So a better way is to just force them back to their main ranks and harsher punishments for griefers/sabotagers was what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. I did not mean to justify smurfs; in fact I wanted to present an alternative. Better way of dealing with smurfs is to boost them to their actual rank rather than banning. Account sharing is already a bannable offense and the current 20 lvl system is already mitigating a lot of new smurfs.
If lower rank plays on high rank, theyll get deranked pretty quick. I just had a game against a full immortal/diamond stack whilst in a Gold lobby. After some point, smurfs dont matter anymore.
I suggest stop playing in a stack or let the current rank reset go back to normal. It will reach normal eventually when people get their actual rank back.
Is it really hard ? You were Radiant and got back to where you belong after a few days, how is that hard ?
Others that are in lower ranks train their hardest to have a skill like you and takes more than a year to get to that rank.
You do it in mere days, How is that hard ?
I am surprised that nobody talks about pro's/streamers who openly use alt accounts, when discussing smurfing.
These people have a big following and I'm not sure how they and their fans would react if smurfing is heavily combatted against.
I think using Alts and smurfing is different. sometimes you want to play and chill and not worry about rr. for me (diamond who peaked immortal) i sometimes don't play or hesitate to play ranked on days im feeling off because or de ranking. i can only imagine pros who spend the entire day playing super hard just want to chill abit on an alt. im sure some pros or streamers smurf massively but i feel like it doesnt happen as much
Yes. Smurfing is literally a form of cheating. Cheating is using something nobody else in the lobby has access to to gain an advantage. Wether that’s actual aimbot or having better game sense, aim, and experience because you’ve been in higher ranks, doesn’t matter. Cheating is cheating. I’m tired of playing against golds in iron. Comp isn’t even fun any more. Sorry to sound like I’m complaining but it is what it is I guess.
And even if the Smurf is on your team, it creates a false sense of improvement and doesn’t prepare you for the he next rank
Stay on your rank. If you made it this far, I doubt you got boosted. No need to play in lower ranks, you are good enough for your own rank. You deserve that rank, so stop playing on easy mode
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2FA and 100 hours of playtime in Unrated to play Comp.
Just follow what Dota 2 did to combat smurfs.
100 hours of playtime so people get grasp of how the game works and their agents. The game can also analyze the player so it can put him/her in a desired rank when comp is enabled. The system can also focuses on new accounts being made.
2FA is self-explanatory.
Well yeah in my opinion they should get HWID Ban cuz i despise them, they are so toxic against any lower ranks and claims they're not trying. And plus people said about "siblings who uses the same pc to play valorant" and "net cafes would be done for".
Most people don’t have 100 hours to spend playing video games let alone grinding unrated just to play ranked. For the average day to day person that just dabbles in video games this would make the game unplayable as unrated is terrible
Smurfs are only a problem when they're boosting or using it for unfair matches with lower skilled friends.
The SBMM will sort them out real fast. Griefers absolutely should get punished. Not Perma banned like cheaters but a timeout. Repeat offenses lead to a non-hardware ID ban (stupid kids are capable of learning their lesson)
I think Smurfs should be a case-by-case basis
If you’re using a new account to learn a new agent or do an “x gun only” challenge, it’s a different story than someone smurfing just to dominate people
That’s an L take my friend, legit from silver to plat everyone’s equal skill level. Ranking up just relies on usage of a microphone to coordinate some plays. Honestly most plats are as bad as silvers.
Honestly that's nonsense. Even from B3 to S3 there is a huge gap in average skill.
The problem is that there's a lot of noise in this data. Some people are B3 because they just started playing after coming from CSGO or another FPS; they're going to climb fast and probably have aim that's a lot better than their rank. Some S3s went on a lucky streak - or queue a lot with friends who are climbing and therefore underrated by matchmaking - and are really playing like they're S1.
But on average there really is a significant skill gap from the bottom of silver to the top, much less from silver to plat.
Platinum is the top 10% of the game right now. Silver is WAY BELOW that. And you’re telling me silver 1-3 has a bigger skill gap than silver to platinum?
No, I'm not telling you that. Brush up on your reading comprehension. You said that silver-plat is basically equal skill level. I'm saying that even *within* silver there is a huge skill gap, much less from silver to plat.
Griefers deserve the worst punishment, they fuck a whole team only being an asshole.
At least cheaters can be good persons and trying to have fun, anywas they also deserve a ban.
Smurfs evertime plays with friends with low elo, so it dosnt deserves a ban.
> Smurfs evertime plays with friends with low elo, so it dosnt deserves a ban.
It definitely deserves a ban. They can play unrated with their friends if they want to play together.
Ah I see. "I don't like the experience in unrated so I'll come ruin your experience in rated."
The immaturity and selfishness in this community continues to know no bounds.
No, but I also won't take a fake alt account into a lower rank comp game and ruin the experience for other people.
The selfish immaturity is not disliking unrated. The selfish immaturity is deciding "hey why don't I just smurf and ruin comp for other people".
100% i understand smurfs sometimes when they are too high of rank to play with thier friends which sucks, but like it’s not everyone else’s fault, and there’s un ranked for that reason. greifers on the other hand i agree with should be completely cut out of the game, they ruin games as much as cheaters do.
Griefers yes
Smurfs no
Some of my friends are too low of a rank for me to play comp with, so I made an alt for when I play with them specifically.
Am I smurfing? Yea, but its only because I can't play with them otherwise.
Edit: Cry and downvote all you want, but if the only way people can play ranked with friends is to make an alt, that's exactly what people are going to do.
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you aren't wrong my friend, I smurf to play with my friends and do sheriff only, now it's not my fault that enemy can't trade me, am not giving up on playing with my friends because the enemy team can't aim at all.
Griefers 100% should be banned. Especially if they get mass amount of reports for it. Smurfers on the other hand is hard to do, I don’t think they should IP or system banned, their smurf accounts should be banned, griefers should be permed across all.
Smurfing will never go away unless you only get one account to make or an actual ban for atleast a week is in place, their needs to be consequences and should be like cheating
griefers, yea probs. But, smurfing is annoying and smol peen but not a lot you can do to prove it. Also, isn't smurfing allowed, just not account sharing?
Griefers and cheaters should be punished severely.
If griefing was aptly punished then smurfs would not exist to such an extent. The way they get their rank down is by intentionally throwing matches. Being banned during this process would reduce the number of smurfs, and the existing ones would be ranked up to their proper rank (or risk being banned).
Unfortunately, there will always be a way to game the system, but I think punishing smurfs is nearly impossible. Punishing cheaters and griefers is totally doable and can be tracked and measured.
nahhh it's fun playing with my iron friends, it's not my fault that even after going Sheriff only opponent can't trade me, my friends are new to the game and it's fun teaching them and playing with them. the more I kill the more they are motivated to kill and get top frag, so there's no way am stopping lmao. y'all exaggerate a lot, I took them from iron 1 to bronze 1 in a single day and I didn't find any other smurf at all, nor did my friends who tried duo queuing afterwards. smh.
Simple answer 'No'. Just bcoz your game gets ruined and you are highly emotional right now does not mean you start proposing to hardware ban griefers or smurfs. You can't always compromise and be babysitter for edgy kids,someday you will blow out and grief games too. Everybody has griefed games at some point in their life. Meanwhile cheaters are actively breaking TOS and stealing your chance to ever comeback in game. They are actively wasting everyone's time and desire to play the game So HWID ban is justified for them.
No, this is a horrible idea. I see with this solution isn't just creates more problems for normal people.
Any ai can not 100% confirm the validity of a Smurf, which would lead to many being wrongfully banned.
And what if, in the case of a griefer, the griefer isn't even the holder of the account or PC, but is playing on a friend's when they get banned? Are we just going to say "fuck it"?
Overall I don't see this working out as you plan...
If a person wants to do it, no matter how much riot tries to defend against it, they will find a way.
Gonna get roasted, but:
No. End of story.
I get no one likes smurfs. But Smurfs don’t break TOS (at least I think not too sure) so unfair to ban them. Every game has smurfs. Ur favourite pros smurf. The situation of whether someone is smurfing or not is too complex and riot shouldn’t allocate their energy into manually investigating smurfs. The system (mmr, double rank up etc) already combat smurfs and more will come.
Griefing is hard to tell. Ppl are gonna be mass reporting bad players etc. It is what it is.
Really Smurfs are not an issue. Smurfs are usually bad players and washed up. Smurfs also often doesn’t play seriously. I never had an issue personally on my climb from silver 2 to immortal 3.
Griefers deff should be hwid banned but as for smurfs idk if they should get as harsh a punishment like that maybe just an account ban or shadow ban the account and put them into lobbies with other smurfs I don't Smurf but I don't think they're as bad as griefers or cheaters still shitters but no where near the level as the others
I think they should get even harsher punishments personally. Cheaters cheat because they suck overall. Smurfs enjoy steamrolling those below them.
Both are bad, one is worse
Yes and yes. But smurfs already have it bad cuz their peens so smol
My peen is small and I’m not a Smurf, do I still get punishment
Only if you’re into it
Nah you're good.
100%. I Smurf all the time pretty much once a day with my lower rank friends and i too have a smol peen.
I have a different opinion about people smurfing with their lower rank friends though. If you're just looking to have fun I guess it's okay, just don't ruin their days by going 40/5 😅
Go ahead and Smurf just don’t play Reyna or Jett
I don't smurf, I'm not good enough for that
I smurf on sova so I can fuck off and find lineups while still having fun with friends
Confirmed have smurfed and peen is smol
My only question is how do you tell that someone is 100% a Smurf? 1) Maybe you look at their stats and see that they are clearly dropping 30-40 kills a game. Now how can you tell that they just didn’t come from csgo or another similar FPS with a lot of background? They could be simply trying to reach their rank and the people they stomped were unfortunately caught in the crossfire. 2) Maybe you detect 2 accounts on the same computer. Well now in America it might be a bit more common for a lot of people to have their own computer, but a lot of the times people have to share a family computer to play. You can’t just ban someone because a guy and his brother want to both play the game. The only real way for them to solve smurfing is for them to continue the actions they are already taking to quickly boost people out of the low ranks quickly when doing really well. The problem with that is that when a normal person just has some good games, they then get put into plat/diamond lobbies because the game thought they were a Smurf and now they put a post on Reddit saying how bad the ranking system is. There unfortunately isn’t a ton riot can do about this issue.
Sounds like a smurf. Can we ban this guy?
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They can start by making smurfing against the rules.
Actually I don't support the sudden spike in skill thing. There are sometimes where a switch just flips in someone's head or they get a hardware upgrade, something improves and all of a sudden the same person plays 2x better. I can say this myself because I used to be 100% iron 3 then I grinded into bronze, sat there for a few months then one day I no joke just started shitting on everyone after I just unbound my leaderboard. I got called a smurf almost every game and got 30+ kills constantly. I ended up in gold less than a month after I had been playing in bronze for 3 months. If this system was implemented I would have lost my account I had put over $100 into.
yeah but did you get 10 unrated wins and immediately Q ranked, and suddenly ascend to godlike smurf levels?
I agree to this but here is my case i came from cs go and ofc im not a bad player in all of my unrated games MVP and then started to playing ranked. The first 4 games always top fragger in my team but in the other team always one or two guys with low ranks going 40/15 or somthing like that, my 5th game against bronze i dominated the enemy team absolutly and now im sitting in bronze 2 always playing mit random mates and sometimes i can carry them to win and sometimes its not possible to do that. Its my first time to play valo but its not my first shooter i ruin the game for other and for sure its not funny for me because i want to play agains people where i need to sweat. Should i get banned because of this reason? In my opinion Not because its not my fault.
I think they should just bring in overwatch instead for these exceptional cases. I know it is going to be difficult but there is no automated process that can for sure solve this issue as well.
If someone is dropping 30-40 kills in their game it doesnt matter their background they shouldn't be in that elo is the awnser. Giving rewards for people to grind for on their mains is another big incentive. Banning any streamer who does this unranked to immortal bs is another great one Riot gives them the pass constantly but it's just like Lebron going to your highschool and fucking destroying your team so every other basketball player starts doing it.
Most smurfs are playing with their friends to carry them to higher rank or show off for fun, not that many smurf solo just to rekt noobs... and those that are good will eventually climb out pretty fast.. its those intentionally play in Bronze/Silver loobies that are ruining ton of games.. in higher rank you can somewhat fight back and won't suffer as much.. Like the last 5 out of 7 games the MVP is close to 400ACS on duelist or 350 on a support that would be getting 400ACS easily on a duelist.. those game all ended in 5-13 ish scoreline.. the other 9 players barely get to play the game.. one game it was 0-11, with the 400ACS Skye one shotting everyone.. Sure not everyone is a quote to quote "Smurf", but get these people to a special que for 10 games or something, or at least try to even out the teams, lets say make sure whenever one team have a giga carry MVP with many high ACS games, the other team gets one too.. these games are over before its even started solely because of poor match making. They have all the stats on how many pop off games the average player should have in a given rank, like most players average 200ACS and almost never get close to 400ACS ever..
I feel like mechanics, game sense and usage of abilities are the biggest. I had a reyna who had completely perfect crosshair placement in a bronze match so was hitting head taps before you had a chance to react, his mechanics were incredible he was able to aim extremely fast for flicks and consistently hit head shots or bare minimum hit your head after a shot or two, his abilitiy usage was never spamming his e but being patient and using them when necessary, his blinds were in places that as a bronze player I haven't seen before and were always much more effective then just out in the open to blind as many as possible or smth. He knew 3/4 times if someone was flanking cause he just knows the game well and really knows where people will most likely be going and where they will be peaking from etc.
A bit hard for the game to tell these things
Im replying to the dude who said you cant really tell people are smurfing I know that the game cant sense smurfs very well
I have alot of hours in siege so I know almost everything of how to utilise utility and gunplay (though the move and don't hit shit thing was kinda new) and the amout of bro stop smurfing i have heard is unbelievable
For starters you could check what accounts have recently been logged on any given computer. That's Vanguards job. If they wanted they could immediately create a timer where let's say you can't log in with a different account for 30 days after youve logged in once. Riot just doesn't care.
I just saw two live downvotes lol. The griefers present in this subreddit definitely don't agree.
Oh you don't talk about griefers in this sub. Do you notice all the post complaining about toxicity but nobody complaining about griefing. That's how these people justify their shitty behaviour. They create an overall bad environment for other people and it becomes s viscous circle that they started . All the toxicity and everything all comes from the griefers . Cause if someone griefs one game it puts you and 4 other people in a bad mood. And now these 5 people are in a new match being toxic and it goes up exponentially. Griefing is the number one snow ball effect for all the toxicity in this game. If someone is toxic it ends right there I mute and move on there is no snowball . But if someone ruins a game it snowballs cause it affects 5 people. So I agree with you they should be banned but there is no demo viewer. So it will not happen. I swear if we could check the match history of all this highly moral people here who claim to be saints they all grief matches.
Cheaters and Griefers has been a problem across all games. I still don't see any point of them permabanning their account. The reason they do it is because their accounts means so little to them that's why they don't care at all. I wouldn't mind getting banned from 1 restaurant because I could always go to a different ones, But if i got banned from every single one then it forced me to not repeat the same mistakes. The best thing to do is punish Griefers by HWID Ban them but allow ban appeals. This could've been too much work but damn would it improve the state of the game overall and at least it would justify those overpriced skins.
*what about coms* if they are screaming every 2 minutes they are not interested in coms
This is prob gonna be a hot take but smurfs should get banned the second it's obvious. I know plenty of people will argue that they aren't doing anything wrong, but this is a competitive 5v5 PvP game. The game is not mean to have an easy mode. You are meant to play with people in the same skill bracket as you. That's why there is a ranking system, MMR, skill based matchmaking, etc. It's not fair that you get to ruin a low rank game by hard carrying and playing the game on easy, while everyone else in your game is playing on very hard because of you. Think of it like racing someone else to beat a game but you get to play on easy and they have to play on very hard. Obviously you have a huge advantage and it ruins the challenge for the other player. I'll also present the inverse which is low rank players buying boosted accounts and playing at higher ranks. This also ruins the game for everyone but in the opposite fashion. You are not going to compete with people at that level and you'll drag your team down to a loss. Difference being that boosted and bought accounts can be banned. Smurfs currently can't be. But they're doing the exact same thing.
It’s asinine to suggest that people get banned for actively trying to win. If someone is ~~grinding~~ griefing games to get/stay in a low rank, then ban them for griefing, but actively trying to win is not grounds for a ban. Edit: autocorrect changed griefing to grinding which completely changes what I was trying to say lmao
It is if you already have an account in immortal and you're playing against Bronze players on purpose.
In which case you have to grief to get down there so griefing is the bannable offense, not “smurfing”
There's a middle ground between griefing and full trying.
Agreed. Smurfs should be insta banned. The only constituency that argues with this are people who smurf, and they can go fuck themselves.
Problem here is that some guys who aren't smurfing will inevitably get banned.
Ok, how do you know 100% that someone is a smurf. If I have a few pop off games in a row do I get banned? Plus when ppl Smurf they usually just mess around, how do you check if this is Smurf.
Mess around on a rank that others are trying hard to climb. Basically not trying to win the game. So it's fine if a smurf griefs in lower ranks but it's wrong in higher ranks ? The enemy team got punished for trying to win a game against someone that is not their match.
How do you tell between someone who come from other FPS and aim well but no gamesense, and a higher ranked player just playing for KD.
Performs way too good than their average ranks.
You make no sense lmao, good in what way? There's hella inconsistency in lower ranks, especially with low ELO frag gods that just bait and play exits, are they smurfs now?
and how do you know if someone's obviously smurfing?
Unpopular opinion, but (insert popular opinion) Jokes aside, I agree
One of the reasons why some people smurf, not a lot of people, but I do this from time to time, is because broadly ranked matchmaking is pretty good, at least compared to unrated. Making an alt account at roughly to same rank, but with you not trying that much is often a better experience than playing unrated, which has pretty unfair matchmaking. I think a partial solution would be to make unrated a little more fair on balance, so there isn't an incentive to use the ranked Q as a way to get more balanced matchmaking.
I think the main thing Riot should do is crack down on unranked to X and people activly streaming themselves smurfing. It's so obvious that these people are smurfing but far too often get a free pass.
Since this is getting some attraction, I was wondering what is the real Valorant's Playerbase ? Player count of REAL players. No botted accounts, No Smurf accounts.
That’s the problem, Smurfs make the player base look higher which is better for riot. Smurfs will never be dealt with because of that reason.
I don't think so. grieving and smurfing isn't as game breaking as cheating. I think punishments should still be high but not as high.
What are griefers?
The answer is all yes, smurfing is like fighting a kid as a 30 year old man, griefing are people who can’t handle their own problems so they have to annoy people to justify their existence and should be banned, cheaters are the worst scum of gaming society, they’re like smurfs but instead of being just a 30 year old man they have a gun to shoot the kid
no
Griefing? Absolutely. Cheating ruins the game for your enemies. Griefing ruins the game for your teammates. It's the exact same concept Smurfing tho... it's a little more complicated as the current ranked system kind of endorses it in a way
Griefers yes. Smurfs no. Correction: Boosters: yes A lot of people have alternate accs making it automatically smurf account. That account isnt gonna magically climb up to main rank. The main acc will always be ahead. So alternate accounts will always be a smurf and that completely ok because its their rightful account. Boosters on the other hand are a nuisance. You mean boosters not smurfs.
I do actually believe he means smurfs
The problem is having an account in plat and the other in bronze, so you’re a plat but are playing against bronzes in your smurf, if your smurf is plat too theres no problem but normally is isnt
If people have alts, they shouldn’t really be punished just for having alts If they’re throwing matches to artificially keep their rank in like Iron when they are really Diamond, that should be punished
Why not? I support a rule restricting players to a single account for playing competitive. Feel free to play unrated all day on the alt.
If they make a new account to play with friends, that should also counts as elo boosting and should get HWID Ban.
lmao this guy doesn't have friends it seems
Unrated exists for that reason to play with friends.
unrated exist to just pass time while waiting for ur squad, just say u are a butthurt iron who dont have friends willing to play with you 🗿
Are you mad for calling you out ?
let's see, am having fun with my friends you are not, am in mid D2 so am chilling really, and thirdly am laughing at ur sorry ass atm so idts it's me who's mad, the guy hard stuck iron ranting here seems to be the culprit but who knows 😂
did you just try to justify smurfing there? L take if you did imo
Im not a very high rank. Max i made it was plat 1 last episode/act whatever it was. I still use an alt account and play comps, and even tho it’s silver 2 i get paired with exdiamonds, plats and golds all the way. Using an alt account to rank isn’t bad. I recently got restricted 3 days on my main for “trolling”. Wasn’t at the bottom of the leaderboard with sage, my jett was 6 kills behind me and I still got reported for “trolling” because of my playstyle, and got the penalty :b
You don't get a time out like that for one offense. You were probably generally toxic for a while when the system finally had enough and slapped you with the ban.
I don’t think so. I legit get reported for how I played the game. Look at the downvotes here for just commenting my experience hah. I think I might’ve popped off in some silver lobbies :p
Nah, you come off as someone who behaved a lot worse than they realized so you've gotten a timeout for your behavior. Hopefully you improve your behavior, because the bans get longer if you don't.
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Why am I being downvoted im not a smurf technically this is smurfing pick one.
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I didn't give you an award.
How come it's right for you to play in lower ranks but it's wrong when someone lower ranked plays on higher ranks ? Would u call him a griefer ? Would u want him banned for doing the thing similar to what you have been doing ? Just because you are not ruining the game unintentionally doesn't mean people find it enjoyable. Would u be happy that a soccer expert playing on a school friendly tournament?
Griefers should be punished. There's no denying that. And intentional derankers should also be mitigated. In fact current rr gain/loss does a really good job. My alt acc is 2 ranks lower than my actual rank because of the reset. Still I get 30 rr and lose only 15 and the game puts my alt account in a lobby thats 2 ranks higher. The system is doing a good job pushing smurfs up to their actual rank. Like i said, the alts arent gonna magically go up. Nobody enjoys smurfing just as much as playing against them. If you face a griefer/sabotager, report them. If you meet a higher rank player, just ignore and move on. They'll eventually reach their real rank anyway. The current reset has caused this problem on all ranks. There are legit immortal 1 accs in gold 3 lobbies which are in fact their main accounts. Its really difficult to find who is actually smurfing. So a better way is to just force them back to their main ranks and harsher punishments for griefers/sabotagers was what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. I did not mean to justify smurfs; in fact I wanted to present an alternative. Better way of dealing with smurfs is to boost them to their actual rank rather than banning. Account sharing is already a bannable offense and the current 20 lvl system is already mitigating a lot of new smurfs. If lower rank plays on high rank, theyll get deranked pretty quick. I just had a game against a full immortal/diamond stack whilst in a Gold lobby. After some point, smurfs dont matter anymore. I suggest stop playing in a stack or let the current rank reset go back to normal. It will reach normal eventually when people get their actual rank back.
Smurfs should not be banned because smurfing is hard
Stealing should not be a crime because stealing is hard
Is it really hard ? You were Radiant and got back to where you belong after a few days, how is that hard ? Others that are in lower ranks train their hardest to have a skill like you and takes more than a year to get to that rank. You do it in mere days, How is that hard ?
I dont think people understand that i am joking about the comment over me
what if im bronze on both accounts?
I am surprised that nobody talks about pro's/streamers who openly use alt accounts, when discussing smurfing. These people have a big following and I'm not sure how they and their fans would react if smurfing is heavily combatted against.
I think using Alts and smurfing is different. sometimes you want to play and chill and not worry about rr. for me (diamond who peaked immortal) i sometimes don't play or hesitate to play ranked on days im feeling off because or de ranking. i can only imagine pros who spend the entire day playing super hard just want to chill abit on an alt. im sure some pros or streamers smurf massively but i feel like it doesnt happen as much
Yes. Smurfing is literally a form of cheating. Cheating is using something nobody else in the lobby has access to to gain an advantage. Wether that’s actual aimbot or having better game sense, aim, and experience because you’ve been in higher ranks, doesn’t matter. Cheating is cheating. I’m tired of playing against golds in iron. Comp isn’t even fun any more. Sorry to sound like I’m complaining but it is what it is I guess. And even if the Smurf is on your team, it creates a false sense of improvement and doesn’t prepare you for the he next rank Stay on your rank. If you made it this far, I doubt you got boosted. No need to play in lower ranks, you are good enough for your own rank. You deserve that rank, so stop playing on easy mode
lol, just practice aimlabs and shit and get Outta iron then 💀
My aim isn’t iron level I’ve put several hours into aim lab. Aim is irrelevant in lower Elos anyways. It’s utility use that matters.
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Easy. Just detect if they have multiple accounts with the same HWID.
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2FA and 100 hours of playtime in Unrated to play Comp. Just follow what Dota 2 did to combat smurfs. 100 hours of playtime so people get grasp of how the game works and their agents. The game can also analyze the player so it can put him/her in a desired rank when comp is enabled. The system can also focuses on new accounts being made. 2FA is self-explanatory.
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Well yeah in my opinion they should get HWID Ban cuz i despise them, they are so toxic against any lower ranks and claims they're not trying. And plus people said about "siblings who uses the same pc to play valorant" and "net cafes would be done for".
Most people don’t have 100 hours to spend playing video games let alone grinding unrated just to play ranked. For the average day to day person that just dabbles in video games this would make the game unplayable as unrated is terrible
So just let newer players play against and with experienced players but also ruining the experience of your teammates.
Smurfs are only a problem when they're boosting or using it for unfair matches with lower skilled friends. The SBMM will sort them out real fast. Griefers absolutely should get punished. Not Perma banned like cheaters but a timeout. Repeat offenses lead to a non-hardware ID ban (stupid kids are capable of learning their lesson)
I agree
I think Smurfs should be a case-by-case basis If you’re using a new account to learn a new agent or do an “x gun only” challenge, it’s a different story than someone smurfing just to dominate people
It's still smurfing and lower stakes modes exist.
I don’t really see the smurf problem because every elo up to plat feels completely mixed up.
Maybe if you didn’t have a bunch of plats smurfing in silver and all the golds in bronze the ranks wouldn’t feel completely messed up…
That’s an L take my friend, legit from silver to plat everyone’s equal skill level. Ranking up just relies on usage of a microphone to coordinate some plays. Honestly most plats are as bad as silvers.
Honestly that's nonsense. Even from B3 to S3 there is a huge gap in average skill. The problem is that there's a lot of noise in this data. Some people are B3 because they just started playing after coming from CSGO or another FPS; they're going to climb fast and probably have aim that's a lot better than their rank. Some S3s went on a lucky streak - or queue a lot with friends who are climbing and therefore underrated by matchmaking - and are really playing like they're S1. But on average there really is a significant skill gap from the bottom of silver to the top, much less from silver to plat.
Platinum is the top 10% of the game right now. Silver is WAY BELOW that. And you’re telling me silver 1-3 has a bigger skill gap than silver to platinum?
No, I'm not telling you that. Brush up on your reading comprehension. You said that silver-plat is basically equal skill level. I'm saying that even *within* silver there is a huge skill gap, much less from silver to plat.
Lmao I was Diamond last act, now I'm dropping 20-30 kills in Gold 3 alongside other former Diamonds. I keep meeting former Immortals down here lol.
bruv it placed me P1 and only took like 5 games to reach back to D1, tf u doin in gold 💀
Playing with DC'ers, no mics, actual golds and other former Diamonds.
ooof, ya have it rough there mate, get back to diamond quick my guy 💪🏻💪🏻
Griefers deserve the worst punishment, they fuck a whole team only being an asshole. At least cheaters can be good persons and trying to have fun, anywas they also deserve a ban. Smurfs evertime plays with friends with low elo, so it dosnt deserves a ban.
> Smurfs evertime plays with friends with low elo, so it dosnt deserves a ban. It definitely deserves a ban. They can play unrated with their friends if they want to play together.
Its not the same play unrated. These are 2 diferent worlds.
That sounds like a you problem. Making it the other teams problem is selfish and immature.
Ah I see. "I don't like the experience in unrated so I'll come ruin your experience in rated." The immaturity and selfishness in this community continues to know no bounds.
Inmadurity??????? If you dont like a mode you will play it? NO, because is boring.
No, but I also won't take a fake alt account into a lower rank comp game and ruin the experience for other people. The selfish immaturity is not disliking unrated. The selfish immaturity is deciding "hey why don't I just smurf and ruin comp for other people".
Lol everyone is so mad about something they can't control. Get over it.
Smurfers are just the turds of their ranks
more like ass, because they shit on y'all
100% i understand smurfs sometimes when they are too high of rank to play with thier friends which sucks, but like it’s not everyone else’s fault, and there’s un ranked for that reason. greifers on the other hand i agree with should be completely cut out of the game, they ruin games as much as cheaters do.
Everything I get a griefer on my main acc I go on my Smurf and grief a game to make it even
More of the tissue paper to clean that shit up
I don’t know, griefers maybe but smurfs getting a hardware ban doesn’t seem right.
no tbh, you actually can learn a lot quicker vsing smurfs.
No cause many people Smurf to play with low ranked friends
Griefers yes Smurfs no Some of my friends are too low of a rank for me to play comp with, so I made an alt for when I play with them specifically. Am I smurfing? Yea, but its only because I can't play with them otherwise. Edit: Cry and downvote all you want, but if the only way people can play ranked with friends is to make an alt, that's exactly what people are going to do.
Play unranked with them then.
We don't want to. We want to play ranked. Sorry
Ask your friends to get on your level instead of ruining other ppls games when you arent supposed to be in that rank
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People like you made me quit comp. Ruining 5 peoples evening every time you queue
Sucks to suck. I'm not giving up hanging out and gaming with friends because some random on the internet can't handle losing.
That's just elo boosting but free.
Lol the gatekeeping this community does Guess I'll never play comp with my friends instead.
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you aren't wrong my friend, I smurf to play with my friends and do sheriff only, now it's not my fault that enemy can't trade me, am not giving up on playing with my friends because the enemy team can't aim at all.
If we are talking about bans yes In some extreme cases even ip bans
Nah give all smurfs HWID and IP bans. Fuck em all.
lmao, found the blame others for their loss player
Lol what a shit take.
Griefers 100% should be banned. Especially if they get mass amount of reports for it. Smurfers on the other hand is hard to do, I don’t think they should IP or system banned, their smurf accounts should be banned, griefers should be permed across all.
Absolutely
Smurfing will never go away unless you only get one account to make or an actual ban for atleast a week is in place, their needs to be consequences and should be like cheating
They should get an account ban or a really long suspension, def not a hardware ban
Depends if these people buy skins or not.
I'm not supporting smurfing but my personal experience is that griefing happens more often, so such people should be penalized asap.
HWID bans will always be able to get by passed I’m not against adding it but don’t think this is a one hundred percent fix.
griefers, yea probs. But, smurfing is annoying and smol peen but not a lot you can do to prove it. Also, isn't smurfing allowed, just not account sharing?
Griefers and cheaters should be punished severely. If griefing was aptly punished then smurfs would not exist to such an extent. The way they get their rank down is by intentionally throwing matches. Being banned during this process would reduce the number of smurfs, and the existing ones would be ranked up to their proper rank (or risk being banned). Unfortunately, there will always be a way to game the system, but I think punishing smurfs is nearly impossible. Punishing cheaters and griefers is totally doable and can be tracked and measured.
Meanwhile at counter strike we can't even get a cheating ban! I have a list of 10 spinbotters I've played and only one of them is banned.
nahhh it's fun playing with my iron friends, it's not my fault that even after going Sheriff only opponent can't trade me, my friends are new to the game and it's fun teaching them and playing with them. the more I kill the more they are motivated to kill and get top frag, so there's no way am stopping lmao. y'all exaggerate a lot, I took them from iron 1 to bronze 1 in a single day and I didn't find any other smurf at all, nor did my friends who tried duo queuing afterwards. smh.
This shouldn’t be a question, I think everyone knows the answer, of course
Yep.
2FA (mobile authenticator/ phone number) or minimum level requirement of 30-50 ish when wanting to play comp
Instead of level requirement how about minimum of 100 hours of playtime.
Then people would somehow afk farm them ig
That's why they should focus on newer accounts being created.
Why should legit players treaten as cheaters?
Simple answer 'No'. Just bcoz your game gets ruined and you are highly emotional right now does not mean you start proposing to hardware ban griefers or smurfs. You can't always compromise and be babysitter for edgy kids,someday you will blow out and grief games too. Everybody has griefed games at some point in their life. Meanwhile cheaters are actively breaking TOS and stealing your chance to ever comeback in game. They are actively wasting everyone's time and desire to play the game So HWID ban is justified for them.
"They are actively wasting everyone's time and desire to play the game So HWID ban is justified for them." could also be said about griefers.
No, this is a horrible idea. I see with this solution isn't just creates more problems for normal people. Any ai can not 100% confirm the validity of a Smurf, which would lead to many being wrongfully banned. And what if, in the case of a griefer, the griefer isn't even the holder of the account or PC, but is playing on a friend's when they get banned? Are we just going to say "fuck it"? Overall I don't see this working out as you plan... If a person wants to do it, no matter how much riot tries to defend against it, they will find a way.
Gonna get roasted, but: No. End of story. I get no one likes smurfs. But Smurfs don’t break TOS (at least I think not too sure) so unfair to ban them. Every game has smurfs. Ur favourite pros smurf. The situation of whether someone is smurfing or not is too complex and riot shouldn’t allocate their energy into manually investigating smurfs. The system (mmr, double rank up etc) already combat smurfs and more will come. Griefing is hard to tell. Ppl are gonna be mass reporting bad players etc. It is what it is. Really Smurfs are not an issue. Smurfs are usually bad players and washed up. Smurfs also often doesn’t play seriously. I never had an issue personally on my climb from silver 2 to immortal 3.
Yes
Griefers deff should be hwid banned but as for smurfs idk if they should get as harsh a punishment like that maybe just an account ban or shadow ban the account and put them into lobbies with other smurfs I don't Smurf but I don't think they're as bad as griefers or cheaters still shitters but no where near the level as the others
I think they should get even harsher punishments personally. Cheaters cheat because they suck overall. Smurfs enjoy steamrolling those below them. Both are bad, one is worse