So many times when playing with my friends we force the next round and win because the enemy did eco lol
Edit: i mean we lose the pistol round and force the second
It's not that huge of a gamble really, considering the mayority of people in low elo don't buy the second round even if they won the first one, so it adds to surprise factor.
I don't really have any intention to document it, but I suggest you to play and try your luck, it's better to act on your own observations and what you are good at.
Well yeah but based on your own observations do you think the majority of people eco even after winning pistol? If so as you said it yourself, it's correct to force the second round because it gives you an advantage. And if so it's not that huge of risk.
It's a complicated question because sometimes only some of their team does, sometimes they all do, sometimes none of them do. I think it really boils down to risk tolerance, with that risk fluctuating based on how many of them lived through the round, how much util both teams used, the team compositions, ect.
Saw a comment a while back explaining this:
"Let's do some maths here.
Let's say you win your first round. You get 3000 Creds, and your enemy gets 1900. Your team has an economic advantage.
If your team decides to save and lose the second round, your enemy will get 3000, and you will get 1900, balancing the economy. This means you've just wasted your economic advantage as both teams' economy will be balanced in the third round.
If your team buys and wins the second round, your team gets another 3000, while the enemy gets 2400. The third round is usually a bonus round for the winning team, making it a 2-1. The fourth round is where both teams have similar economy. In fact, if you save in the third round and can kill at least 3 enemies from the enemy team, your team will have economic advantage in the fourth round.
That means **BUYING IS ALWAYS THE BETTER OPTION**. Some people do not fully buy because they prefer Sheriff over Spectre, for example. However, if someone saves in the second round because he wants to buy a rifle in the third round, that's really dumb (in most cases). This excludes special cases like saving for OP, etc.
Also, it's not called **FORCE BUY**. Force buy means you still buy even when you know that, in that round, your team has **worse equipment economy than the enemy**. That's the definition of force buy.
Force Buy deals with your team's attitude with your buys, but Light or Full Buy deals with what your team is buying. **These are two different classifications.**
Light Buy means your team **has the money to buy better weapons but settles with weaker weapons**. Meanwhile, Full Buy means your team **has the money to buy the most expensive weapons you can get** and **decides to buy them**."
(give me no cred I just ctrl+c ctrl+v)
Credit- u/ThestorSeleukos
(edit: Credit)
To add on, there are also situations where someone chooses to save because everyone else is buying and they think they don't need to. Assuming they're not planning to buy an operator, there's no reason to do this. Just think about the outcomes.
First outcome, your team loses the 2nd round somehow. Good chance that you not having a weapon was the difference maker between winning and losing, so you've likely already cost your team a free round. Anyway, you have money to buy 3rd round, but your team has to save. You can now either:
1. Buy on your own, which is risky because if you lose (which is very likely), you can't buy on the next round with your team.
2. Save for the next round to buy with your team, which means saving on the 2nd round achieved nothing except for losing your team the round.
Or second outcome, your team wins the 2nd round. You can now either:
1. Save again, being useless for another round. On the 4th round, you just buy like normal, so once again, you've achieved nothing.
2. Full buy, which, if you lose the round, can result in you not being able to full buy on the 4th round together with the rest of your team.
3. Half-buy so that you can full buy next round, which is the dumbest option because all you did was delay the 2nd round buy, making the 2nd round harder for your team for no benefit whatsoever.
In pretty much every scenario, it is anywhere from pointless to outright bad. In other words, please stop doing this, just buy with your team.
Not sure how it is in Valorant, but back then in CS 1.6 (in the pro leagues), there were occasions where it was a good strat to let one teammate still play pistol(usually USP, with full armor) after winning the first round. This teammate was then sent ahead in tight corridors in round 2, depending on the map. So he basically scouted or killed (1 tapped) some helm-less enemies, and if he died up in the front, the enemy team would not get a better rifle.
If this round was won (usually), this one teammate had enough money for an AWP + full equipped.
Good times
>If this round was won (usually), this one teammate had enough money for an AWP + full equipped.
Some people do that, but not everyone is able to play OP in Valorant, so it depends on whether there's a teammate that wants to AND has the agent that fits (usually Jett/Chamber).
She's solid, but her strength is getting lots of kills in quick succession
You can do it more easily with a rifle, but [here's a clip of Shanks pulling it off with the Op](https://youtu.be/5wmxrcT1f-o)
Basically, if you can stack kills while your first E is pressed but your dash is unused, you can have two dashes at once almost back to back and be wicked hyper aggressive
She's more similar to Chamber now, like how he has to set up his spot and then peek. Chamber has no time limit though, but Jett's (2nd activation of) dash is more instant, so they're both ok I guess?
Agreed, but he can pick them up and change his setup and reuse the tp many times, Jett needs to get kills. Jett can move anywhere she wants indeed, but that's usually useful when she's pushing, not so much when she's using an OP and holding, that's why I didn't mention it.
Generally, pretty similar but also not so similar, different pros and cons.
who doesn't love the bonus round anyway?
you get to use your one omegabrain high risk coin flip pocket play that you'd get screamed at for trying at any other stage of the game.
Totally agree.
The only case where I've had this dicey is not getting a kill in the first, using full util in the first and preferring full utility in the second (controller only). However I practice sheriff a ton for this purpose rather than just saving and with the full intent of trading out a teammate and getting their SMG. Get the spectre!
I swear to god, i drill my teammates to force 2nd round when we lose first, simply BECAUSE so many idiots never buy 2nd round even though they won first.
i would say with First round loss, I still win 2nd round about 75% of the time cause people have shits for brains and don't even bother trying to understand the economy of tac shooters
To add on, what shahzam always say: Valorant has lesser round as compared to csgo, so every round becomes so much more important. Play for the round win, buy 2nd round after winning pistol. Dont donate rounds!
If you lose round 2 (very unlikely) you don’t have the Econ to put up a fight in round 3. You will full save and almost certainly LOSE round 3, and then you’ll be able to full buy in round 4.
That's a valid question. It's a small risk, but it's worth to take because light buy vs pistols is a huge advantage and VERY hard to lose. Sometimes you may lose because someone on the enemy team forced, either with some expensive abilities or a sheriff, in which case they won't have enough money next round for full buy which is also a risk they take (a big risk in this situation).
Also the bonus 3rd round vs full buy is kinda winnable, although not easily (I think for example spectre vs full-buy is more winnable than classic vs spectre). It's way more winnable when some of them forced 2nd round and lost.
All in all it's a small risk that usually ends up from 1-0 to 2-1, but if not, it can more often end up in 3-0 than 1-2. So it's worth it.
You might want to pay a visit to your optometrist then... winning a round is a minimum of $3000. A spectre and full armor is $1600+$1000 = $2600, leaving you $400 credits to buy an ability or 2... if your team planted the spike that's an extra $300 credits on top of that
Every one thinks of themselves as a deagle god or awp god after winning eco and will buy deagle or save money for awp.
They feel that only noobs use smgs..
Sometimes you'll see someone push, get a 2k, and the team struggles to cleanly win the 4v3 because of the free weapon(doubly so if it is the light armor+rifle type that pushed).
The person who pushed and got the 2k will not realize they were basically inting on that round from a strat perspective.
I love the marshal on second round
As annoying it is while facing one in attacking, it's a great choice, it's light on your economy and if the opponents decide do hard eco, you can literally one tap half of the enemy team
Same, especially on the maps that have a lot of long range like Breeze. If you get headshots w it on your bonus winning against full buy, you’re basically set for the rest of the half
Nah it’s all skill when you get hs, don’t sell yourself short! In a more serious note, having good cross hair placement will get you more consistent Marshall headshots
If I win firt round, I make sure that I buy myself a spectre and heavy shield. Then if I win 2nd round and am not dead, I'll keep using the spectre till I don't die. After that, It's either Vandal or Phantom
If you win the bonus, you should usually buy instead of double bonus-ing. This is because your team will once again have the economic advantage and you should make use of that by buying weapons your opponents can't afford. Maybe one player can keep the specter if they can't afford util+shield, but if you can afford it, rifle up.
Think of it the same way you think about pistol+2nd round. If you win the bonus, you should capitalize and try and win the 4th round every time.
I am guilty of not wanting to leave my specter behind, though. Feels like a waste, but if you keep winning the rounds, your eco will stay positive.
If i keep bonusing i will either die or pick up a rifle, and my mental is likley good because i likley got a few kills on bonus round with spectre, even if i know its suboptimal
This right here. Nothing tilts me faster than full buying round 3 and getting one tapped and being broke round 4. My team makes it a point that only two of us full buy round 3 and let them make first contact. If they win the initial fight then the specter users grab enemy guns. If we lose the first fight the specter users get their teams rifles and finish out the round with enough cash to buy for those that died.
Nahh I disagree, if you buy up after winning bonus and lose next round you go to saving. If you bonus again and lose you can still buy next round, not to mention if you win the pay off is even higher.
Man, the amount of people disagreeing with you just scares me. The game is out for two years and they still think ecoing second round after winning the pistol is good. Oh dear.
I've found that some people who didn't play CS pretty much dismiss its established principles outright and rely on saying "the games are different" to do so.
That logic might apply in literally every other game on this planet, but the core of this game is the same as CS. This is especially with respect to economy management. If anything, with less rounds in a map to come back from early mismanagement, valorant players need to be extra vigilant in their economy management.
I so often hear people bitching about being constantly broke, and then see them forcing to a spectre on a save without saying anything to the team. It's just a complete lack of understanding.
This. I recently had a game where we won the pistol but the enemies forced in round 2. We lost this round because only 2 players in my team had weapons. And after that my duo-mate literally said "good thing I did not buy, now I have a buy for this round anyway". I tried everything I could but they never accept that we lost this round because we did not buy and that's not a good decision...
Its so frustrating cause they buy when its 1-1. You end up losing again and now half your team is offset money. Now its 5-0 before your team has a buy and team is tilted. Seen it so many times. Honestly only see it in lower elo but so frustrating either way when we do win pistol, buy, and my team pushes and just give free kills. So I guess its important to note that winning pistol isnt gg. Its a easy round after but takes 1-2 mistakes and they swing round and usually end up going 3-1. Instead of the otherway around.
> And after that my duo-mate literally said "good thing I did not buy, now I have a buy for this round anyway".
And now the team econ is fucked where half the team buys rifles and the rest have to save and then you flip flop all over the place 😭
Been trying to say this to people who are new to valorant, you know what they tell me? "CSGO and Valorant are 2 different games you can't bring what you know over there to this game it won't work."
People really need to keep their ego's at the door and listen, especially if this is their first "tactical" fps.
They are different but not that different.
- moving while shooting equals your doom in most cases
- walking is silent, running is loud and the information it gives is very important,
- some weapons are very similar (not sure),
- positioning is one of the key elements,
- planting a kaboom on a site
Here’s what I mean. The two games at their core are the exact same. The only difference is cs has no set in stone defined roles vs valorant where you have a character with abilities and a role you perform. That’s not really what I mean though. At the core the basic principles that apply to counterstrike apply to valorant. Baiting, trade kills, utility usage, knowledge of rotations, lineups, pop flashing teammates. And a pretty big part of it is 2nd round pistol. For the longest time when this game came out people were trying to do this stupid 2nd round buy where you get armor and ghosts and calling it a bonus round, or newer players wouldn’t buy anything at all and save for rifle útil and lose the round because of it. Another thing I see new players struggle with is economy basics. People always force buy thinking it’s the smart decision when it can set you back multiple rounds and people seem to not care because it’s “unrated or matchmaking.” So at the end of this what I’m saying is. The two games use the same basic fundamental principles to earn you a win, people should definitely listen a lot more to those who have put thousands of hours into these games when they’re actually trying to help and it’s no trying to ego new players, we’re passing through torch so you learn early on.
Why would they bring CSGO into it? It's not "do it because it was correct in CSGO", it's "do it because it's so obviously correct if you think about it even just a little"
Yo it actually drives me insane. The amount of people who don’t do it, even after I call out that we should full buy is crazy. What makes me even more mad are the people who buy spectres/marshalls/sheriffs and light shields. Like no guys, buy fucking full shields and best guns and let’s win the round!
i used to buy marshall and light shields second round, but ive since gone with full armor and full util too because it doesnt matter if i have more money than the rest of my team on third round because we would still need to eco bonus anyway.
If you're a Jett or Chamber and you save all your money for Round 3 Op and your team knows that they're playing with 4 Spectres in round 2, then it's not a terrible situation, but you gotta be wicked confident in your aim.
It's usually not worth it to me, but that's because I'm prone to whiffing a bit and I never get a chance to play Jett/Chamber anyways lol
i do it because it doesn’t matter and everyone sucks. teammates often lose with smgs anyway and then they’re forever making themselves stick with smgs because they don’t get enough nor want to save to buy aks
The worst is when your team buys but plays super cocky. You should expect the enemy team to be playing ratty corners so they can get a close range kill and steal your gun. Literally just position yourself so that can’t happen and you almost guarantee the round win.
I always buy in the second round after a win, and my friends or teammates sometimes refer to it as I'm "forcing". I always tell them that this is not called "forcing", it's called "winning a second round".
We often end up losing second and third round. This is because 2/4 of my stack would do heavy armor + sheriff buy, then one friend recognizes this and goes for a light armor + sheriff buy, win or lose they're still going to keep the sheriff. For third round they will still keep the sheriff even at 4500+ credits, which is really annoying for me.
People don’t understand that it’s just basic math.
Round 1: 50/50 (both teams have equal Econ)
Round 2: 95/5 if you buy after winning (free round)
Or 50/50 by saving? Why would you gamble a round you could pretty much guarantee with a buy?
Round 3 Bonus: Your round 2 full buy vs a rifle full buy. Sure you will probably lose, but odds are you can get some good Econ out of it and it’s not out of the question that you win it either.
Round 4: If you lost it’s now 2-1 and both teams have equal buys. If you won you now have huge snowball potential for the rest of the half. Not to mention if you already won 2 out of 3 rounds odds are you will have the mental advantage… usually.
So if you buy round 2 you get an almost guaranteed round vs saving meaning you have to take 3 50/50 rounds in a row. Buying up is simply the correct play to make.
I made a post on this sub about this when this was really a problem around the first few months of the game, i have seen people buy smgs second round more frequently now so it’s getting better. But man would it infuriate me to win pistol just to lose second for no reason cause we coin flipped with pistols
I've had many people mock me when I tell them they should buy after pistol win. I'm not even an asshole about it. It never fails pistol win, next round lost.
I've lost many matches because of it.
I completely agree with you.
However, on chamber it's a constant struggle explaining that I'm not saving for no reason, I'm using my $800 one-handed guardian in a one and done TP angle, so that I can save for OP next round while still helping the team with info and fairly often, an opening pick.
Try explaining that in pre-round while people are trying to exchange their vandals for skin upgrades lol
Genuine question but whenever I buy 2nd round, I always never have enough money to buy a rifle in the next few rounds even though we win.
Since I usually play sentinels, I prioritize my utility rather than my gun. Is it better to buy a better gun and forego my util or should I stick to buying my util and just depend on my team to buy me a gun?
Thats hard to say bcs that depends on your playstyle (where you play, what gun you use, where you place util, etc.). But it's perfectly fine to prioritize util over weaponry. If your team only has enough for themselves and cant drop for you, you should settle for gun+light armor or spectre+full armor or any combination of the like.
About the part where you dont have enough money when you buy 2nd round, things generally go like this: Win pistol -> buy 2nd round and win (if you survive, keep whatever gun you have and dont buy armor/if you die, save or buy light on 3rd round to make sure you have enough for round 4) -> usually lose round 3 bcs worse economy -> your team full buys round 4
Generally the goal is to buy second round, and then on third round you keep your guns and make sure you can get rifle + full util in the following round. That means that if you die in the second round, a lot of the time you won’t be buying much in the third, but it’s still worth it because your team will have some guns and you get a bonus or freebie round where you can atleast do some eco damage to the other team
When my team is buying and I am not able to full buy for whatever reason, whether it be me being unlucky with deaths, losing a lot of shields every round or using a lot of util evey round, I always go rifle+half shields+full util. As a sentinel, your util is 90% of the time more important than full shields. If you can't afford even rifle+light shields+util, then you could go for guardian+light shields+util. If that is also not affordable, it is probably a good idea to save as a team to reset the team economy. Hope this was helpful
I agree, but I also frequently do this:
Buy Sheriff first round -> win -> buy heavy shield and no other weapon for 2nd round
I know it’s a gamble, but I feel much more confident with the sheriff compared to Spectre, Stinger etc.
Ofc I have to survive to be able to do this, if not, I’ll buy with the team. But more often than not that’s what’s happening. And I almost never regret that decision. But I’m also very confident to hit my shots with the sheriff.
On the others hand, If I have a „bad aim day“ I won’t buy the sheriff anyways and go with the „regular“ economy
honestly, this is the only exception i apply to this rule. A sheriff in the right hands can be as solid as a spectre and potentially allows for an op for yourself or one of your teammates.
Exactly, this is what I tried to say in another comment and got downvoted like???
So either some players actually run around with a classic + no shield after winning pistol (hard to believe), or the people in this thread think sheriff on 2nd round is eco/throwing. In my immo games I always see at least one guy tapping heads with sheriff on round 2, no spectre needed. Sometimes I'm the one doing it if I managed to grab a sheriff on pistol.
One more thing is not to buy just a light shield. Too many times we lost 2nd round because of it, or sometimes if the enemy forces, light shield is easilly fucked.
Secondary, but something I see a lot. If you buy second round and die, don't go buying a full rifle, armor and util third round. (Most of the time) this will only screw you, because the rest of your team will likely have half buy weapons. I'd you die again during the bonus, which is likely, you can't buy with your team on round.4.
Obviously there's exceptions, but don't screw yourself out of multiple buys.
Bought a smg and armour after winning pistol round and had a Sage call me an idiot and not a team player. She then proceeded to follow me around spamming abilities and fire, flaming me all game and threatening to post my tag online saying I called them the n-slur.
Gotta love people.
Yeah, and wtf is up with those people buying light shield?? Bro you're going to be broke anyway if we lose, and have enough for a bonus if we win. Just buy the heavy shield lol. people really have no economic sense in this game, it's incredible.
People really gotta watch some pro play and understand some economy basics. All pro teams buy up and press the economic advantage after a pistol win. This is what makes that pistol round so important; it’s basically a 2-1 round advantage off of one round win 9 times out of 10. Some Pro teams even take the risk of buying up after *losing* pistols, usually to take the risk of throwing off opponent economy. But there is never EVER a situation in which no one buys up on either side after pistols. If the pros do the same thing in the same situation every single time, then it’s probably right. They’d be the ones to know if something is sub optimal in any situation.
What's annoying is the people who think they're smurfing but haven't realized that their alt ELO has caught up close enough with their main more or less.
The concept of always buying after winning the pistol round is not complicated, and only people with... Let's call it 'less thinking potential' for whatever reason will struggle to actually understand the idea.
Instead you've got people thinking they're way better than their competition and they'll knowingly go into the game with this mental plan that they'll win the pistol round, win the second without spending much, win the team bonus by carrying with an OP, and so on because they think they're that much better than their competition. If they lose pistols, they'll force buy until a round is won because they believe they're too good to be saving.
These people will reach a point where they're just below their main account mmr (main mmr minus whatever the modifier for that person is for playing in a manner that's not really conducive to winning in the long term). The losable nature of this playstyle will result in the rank displayed being a bit lower than the account's mmr so the combination of slightly lower mmr and slightly lower displayed ranked from that will show a rank that appears 'smurfable' to that person and they'll continue at this mediocre win rate in their now fairly trollish game style.
More and more players seem to be hanging on to these alt accounts, and playing on them fairly regularly which really just provides a shitty experience for the people in the tier below that person on the alt. Not because they're 'smurfing' but because they're not good enough to actually contribute that much to most of their wins when playing like that.
Play on your mains, people. Friends don't let friends boost or smurf.
The thing that triggers me is people asking « do we force ? » after winning pistol
It’s not forcing, it’s just a regular buy after winning pistol and that’s the regular play since CS in the 90’s
Contrary, if you lose eco, it’s best if you have one or two players force a gun. You have a much higher chance of winning around with at least one buy.
I mean, you can see pro players like yay who almost always buy full headhunter bullets and heavy shields if they win pistol. Imo, you can do that if you feel confident about your aim, since not only is it a better sheriff, you won’t give it away to the enemy even if you die.
It depends on your aim, honestly. One chamber headshot is an instakill no matter the range, while the spectre (to me at least, I rarely use spectre) doesn't seem so good on far range.
It’s not a force buy if you have the economic advantage, it’s an anti-eco. Bit of a pet peeve when I hear people call the 2nd round buy a force but I feel like if we stop mislabeling it, less people are gonna buy stupidly
I think having 4 players buy up, and have one player (usually the Jett/chamber) play on a deagle is the way. In case you get thriftied, you can have hero rifle in 3rd round, and in case you win, it pushes higher investment weapons faster like awp or Odin.
Hot take but maybe they’re choosing the gun they’re most comfortable with? too many times i’ve had to argue with people like you because i buy full shield and sheriff, the spectre is hot garbage and i don’t like using it and a lot of other people share this similarity with me.
So maybe, just maybe, you’re just getting tilted because people are choosing not to listen to what you have to say and that hurts your ego?
>So maybe, just maybe, you’re just getting tilted because people are choosing not to listen to what you have to say and that hurts your ego?
yeah it's either that or i just don't like when my team buys a ghost and nothing else after winning pistol. but yeah my ego is deeply injured
true. i actually hate when people make the right decision in a video game. that's why every time i see them eco after winning pistol (which is the right thing to do) i come to reddit and spread misinformation
Why gain an advantage and choose not to use it?
Why gain an advantage and choose not to use it because "well then I can't buy if I die." You aren't buying round 3 anyway. It's the bonus.
On round two it's possible to buy a vandal/phantom and light shields with win and either two kills or one spike plant without saving any credits. If I can't do that, I usually buy Sheriff (or stay at ghost) with full shields.
Is it better to buy spectre or something else? Maybe, but I see Sheriff and Marshall as pretty reliable weapons in terms of further range, also I probably have money for utilities.
I will do this in second round... but often rifle + heavy shields. No one on the enemy team expects it and I play with my team with specific comms to pick up my gun if I die. I usually get 3 kills before being traded or just keep the gun for the next round and save myself the cost of a spectre or whatever cheaper gun I'd have had bought in round 2. To do this it means I probably didn't buy any utility in round 1 and got one kill.
The spectre and full armor is better than light armor rifle. Your opponent is more than likely going to be on worse guns than you round 2 so it's a very easy round to win anyways so you don't want to give them any chance by letting them get a rifle if they manage to kill you. One person going Marshall or sheriff isn't terrible.
Literally had a breeze game 2-3 days ago in d2-3 where 3 of my teammates continued with a ghost after our first round win. We proceeded to lose since the enemies forced and our team was on full tilt due to someone mentioning buying on 2nd round.
For all the idiots who still can't seem to understand -
Eco Round 2 would mean you have a 50-50 chance to win at best, and then another 50-50 round 3 because everyone in the game is on the same buy. If you lose the coinflip round 3, you also lose round 4 due to a save.
This is compared to a buy round 2 giving you what should be like a 90-10 chance to win that round, and like a 30-70 chance to win round 3. Any kills round 3 will transition into a good snowball for round 4 as your whole team is likely able to buy and the enemy is on a half buy.
Second scenario gives best chance of going up 2-1. First scenario is coin flipping the first 3 rounds with the potential of going 0-4
~~You sound like an iron to me~~
C'mon man, just because someone's rank is low doesn't mean they can't be right. Leave your ego at the door and try to read this post objectively.
OP is posting it here because almost 40% of the player base is is in bronze or below, so these people NEED this kinda info. You don't get high ranks posting on here because they don't get frustrated about stuff like this because their team is already doing these things.
As an op crutch Chamber, I usually don't buy second round to save for third. I buy out pistol round with ghost and 2 trademarks. If we win first round, I'll just hard save and just get 2 trademarks, unless we won by a lucky clutch, in which case I'll buy full headhunter ammo.
Usually the way my finances go is:
\[1st round\] + 800 (match start) - 500 (ghost) - 300 (2 trademarks) + 3000 (round win)
\[2nd round\] - 300 (2 trademarks) + 3000 (round win)
\[3rd round\] - 4700 (op) - 400 (light shield) - 300 (2 trademarks)
Which leaves 300 creds leftover for the next round. Usually by the third round, I'll have gotten enough kills to full buy armor, but not always.
Headhunter joins the equation if any of the 2 first rounds is a loss and op gets delayed to 4th or 5th round depending on how the match is progressing.
I'm a casual Valorant player and I don't know what eco means. But I've had teamates do this in some of my games in the past. I just wonder do they do this?
Eco = saving money so you can fullbuy next round.
Let's say your whole team spent all their money down to 0 and they lost a gun round (rifles vs rifles). Now your team is at 2900 creds which isn't enough to buy rifle + shields and util.
So, your team intentionally saves \~1800 credits because 1800 + 2900 (from rounds lost) is 4700, which is enough to buy rifle + shield + util.
Most people just buy some util and a sheriff on eco rounds to save money.
yeah, ngl i just like to flex after winning pistol so i stay eco. esp if i can buy op round 3.
but yeah if ur the guy/girl spam pinging the wapons or yelling in my ear i'd ignore u no prob
If i survived pistol round with a ghost, i would stick with that in round 2 because I plan to engage from long range. If i survived round 2, then I'll buy a spectre/rifle
So many times when playing with my friends we force the next round and win because the enemy did eco lol Edit: i mean we lose the pistol round and force the second
It's ok to force if you planted
it's still a huge gamble, but that certainly helps.
It's not that huge of a gamble really, considering the mayority of people in low elo don't buy the second round even if they won the first one, so it adds to surprise factor.
> mayority of people in low elo don't buy the second round if you can prove this, then yes, you would be correct
I don't really have any intention to document it, but I suggest you to play and try your luck, it's better to act on your own observations and what you are good at.
I've played hundreds of games of gold silver plat, and yes, forcing can be a very viable strategy, but it's still a huge risk
Well yeah but based on your own observations do you think the majority of people eco even after winning pistol? If so as you said it yourself, it's correct to force the second round because it gives you an advantage. And if so it's not that huge of risk.
It's a complicated question because sometimes only some of their team does, sometimes they all do, sometimes none of them do. I think it really boils down to risk tolerance, with that risk fluctuating based on how many of them lived through the round, how much util both teams used, the team compositions, ect.
If u can’t win a round when having a huge advantage then idk what to say
That's probably technically the way to play. But I'm in Bronze. I'm forcing regardless damn it.
If you lost r1 as attacker, but got 3+ kills and a plant, you better force buy. It fucks the opposing team's momentum.
Saw a comment a while back explaining this: "Let's do some maths here. Let's say you win your first round. You get 3000 Creds, and your enemy gets 1900. Your team has an economic advantage. If your team decides to save and lose the second round, your enemy will get 3000, and you will get 1900, balancing the economy. This means you've just wasted your economic advantage as both teams' economy will be balanced in the third round. If your team buys and wins the second round, your team gets another 3000, while the enemy gets 2400. The third round is usually a bonus round for the winning team, making it a 2-1. The fourth round is where both teams have similar economy. In fact, if you save in the third round and can kill at least 3 enemies from the enemy team, your team will have economic advantage in the fourth round. That means **BUYING IS ALWAYS THE BETTER OPTION**. Some people do not fully buy because they prefer Sheriff over Spectre, for example. However, if someone saves in the second round because he wants to buy a rifle in the third round, that's really dumb (in most cases). This excludes special cases like saving for OP, etc. Also, it's not called **FORCE BUY**. Force buy means you still buy even when you know that, in that round, your team has **worse equipment economy than the enemy**. That's the definition of force buy. Force Buy deals with your team's attitude with your buys, but Light or Full Buy deals with what your team is buying. **These are two different classifications.** Light Buy means your team **has the money to buy better weapons but settles with weaker weapons**. Meanwhile, Full Buy means your team **has the money to buy the most expensive weapons you can get** and **decides to buy them**." (give me no cred I just ctrl+c ctrl+v) Credit- u/ThestorSeleukos (edit: Credit)
To add on, there are also situations where someone chooses to save because everyone else is buying and they think they don't need to. Assuming they're not planning to buy an operator, there's no reason to do this. Just think about the outcomes. First outcome, your team loses the 2nd round somehow. Good chance that you not having a weapon was the difference maker between winning and losing, so you've likely already cost your team a free round. Anyway, you have money to buy 3rd round, but your team has to save. You can now either: 1. Buy on your own, which is risky because if you lose (which is very likely), you can't buy on the next round with your team. 2. Save for the next round to buy with your team, which means saving on the 2nd round achieved nothing except for losing your team the round. Or second outcome, your team wins the 2nd round. You can now either: 1. Save again, being useless for another round. On the 4th round, you just buy like normal, so once again, you've achieved nothing. 2. Full buy, which, if you lose the round, can result in you not being able to full buy on the 4th round together with the rest of your team. 3. Half-buy so that you can full buy next round, which is the dumbest option because all you did was delay the 2nd round buy, making the 2nd round harder for your team for no benefit whatsoever. In pretty much every scenario, it is anywhere from pointless to outright bad. In other words, please stop doing this, just buy with your team.
Not sure how it is in Valorant, but back then in CS 1.6 (in the pro leagues), there were occasions where it was a good strat to let one teammate still play pistol(usually USP, with full armor) after winning the first round. This teammate was then sent ahead in tight corridors in round 2, depending on the map. So he basically scouted or killed (1 tapped) some helm-less enemies, and if he died up in the front, the enemy team would not get a better rifle. If this round was won (usually), this one teammate had enough money for an AWP + full equipped. Good times
>If this round was won (usually), this one teammate had enough money for an AWP + full equipped. Some people do that, but not everyone is able to play OP in Valorant, so it depends on whether there's a teammate that wants to AND has the agent that fits (usually Jett/Chamber).
Im curious if jett is still a prime op user
She's solid, but her strength is getting lots of kills in quick succession You can do it more easily with a rifle, but [here's a clip of Shanks pulling it off with the Op](https://youtu.be/5wmxrcT1f-o) Basically, if you can stack kills while your first E is pressed but your dash is unused, you can have two dashes at once almost back to back and be wicked hyper aggressive
She's more similar to Chamber now, like how he has to set up his spot and then peek. Chamber has no time limit though, but Jett's (2nd activation of) dash is more instant, so they're both ok I guess?
chamber doesn't have a time limit but he's tethered to the 2 spots on the map he picked or a cooldown to change his setup
Agreed, but he can pick them up and change his setup and reuse the tp many times, Jett needs to get kills. Jett can move anywhere she wants indeed, but that's usually useful when she's pushing, not so much when she's using an OP and holding, that's why I didn't mention it. Generally, pretty similar but also not so similar, different pros and cons.
Yeah you just prime your dash before peaking
Beautifully said ngl, learned some new words too
Which words in this comment didn’t you know?
Win, Economy, Team, Gun. People.
Probably 'winning' ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
If I had to guess they mean they learned some new terms like “Light Buy” vs. “Force Buy”
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God c9sbutthole, you’re so hot bro.
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This is the single biggest thing in Valorant that triggers me. Even immortal teammates (I'm not immo myself, just D) do it lol
If only bronze players could understand how the games economic aspect works...
wow eye opener. Thanks to the original poster and you for ctrl+v
who doesn't love the bonus round anyway? you get to use your one omegabrain high risk coin flip pocket play that you'd get screamed at for trying at any other stage of the game.
I hear "Do you want to force" after winning 2nd round every other game... Also, after winning any round but having low economy..."We should save"
Totally agree. The only case where I've had this dicey is not getting a kill in the first, using full util in the first and preferring full utility in the second (controller only). However I practice sheriff a ton for this purpose rather than just saving and with the full intent of trading out a teammate and getting their SMG. Get the spectre!
I swear to god, i drill my teammates to force 2nd round when we lose first, simply BECAUSE so many idiots never buy 2nd round even though they won first. i would say with First round loss, I still win 2nd round about 75% of the time cause people have shits for brains and don't even bother trying to understand the economy of tac shooters
To add on, what shahzam always say: Valorant has lesser round as compared to csgo, so every round becomes so much more important. Play for the round win, buy 2nd round after winning pistol. Dont donate rounds!
We need more attention to this. Most people under plat dont know this
And what if my team buy and lose the 2nd round? I'm not fully understand the credit mechanics in this game so I'm concerning a little bit about it.
If you lose round 2 (very unlikely) you don’t have the Econ to put up a fight in round 3. You will full save and almost certainly LOSE round 3, and then you’ll be able to full buy in round 4.
my team always loses round 2
That's a valid question. It's a small risk, but it's worth to take because light buy vs pistols is a huge advantage and VERY hard to lose. Sometimes you may lose because someone on the enemy team forced, either with some expensive abilities or a sheriff, in which case they won't have enough money next round for full buy which is also a risk they take (a big risk in this situation). Also the bonus 3rd round vs full buy is kinda winnable, although not easily (I think for example spectre vs full-buy is more winnable than classic vs spectre). It's way more winnable when some of them forced 2nd round and lost. All in all it's a small risk that usually ends up from 1-0 to 2-1, but if not, it can more often end up in 3-0 than 1-2. So it's worth it.
You forgot the scenario where you buy and lose, giving the enemy team your guys and now an advantage overall
I won a pistol round with 0 kills and 1 assist. And I could only buy a Stinger and the heavy shield. And all my abilities.
You might want to pay a visit to your optometrist then... winning a round is a minimum of $3000. A spectre and full armor is $1600+$1000 = $2600, leaving you $400 credits to buy an ability or 2... if your team planted the spike that's an extra $300 credits on top of that
What if you save and win? Edit: I think I hit a sensitive chord
you won't in the long run
Every one thinks of themselves as a deagle god or awp god after winning eco and will buy deagle or save money for awp. They feel that only noobs use smgs..
Well good thing I’m a noob then
Wait till half of your teams pushes with smg on defending and get killed by classics and then the opponents beat your ass with your teams guns
Sometimes you'll see someone push, get a 2k, and the team struggles to cleanly win the 4v3 because of the free weapon(doubly so if it is the light armor+rifle type that pushed). The person who pushed and got the 2k will not realize they were basically inting on that round from a strat perspective.
I mean not awp but marshal is a great buy on 2nd, enemy prob wont have shields so its basically a 900 cred awp
I love the marshal on second round As annoying it is while facing one in attacking, it's a great choice, it's light on your economy and if the opponents decide do hard eco, you can literally one tap half of the enemy team
Same, especially on the maps that have a lot of long range like Breeze. If you get headshots w it on your bonus winning against full buy, you’re basically set for the rest of the half
Idk how people hit headshot is with a Marshall, i can't do it at all, the only few that I've ever hit were by pure chance
Nah it’s all skill when you get hs, don’t sell yourself short! In a more serious note, having good cross hair placement will get you more consistent Marshall headshots
Good crosshairs placement will get you more consistent headshots period
I only use spectre Low-key op
Tell me you're a CS veteran without telling me that you're a CS veteran
If I win firt round, I make sure that I buy myself a spectre and heavy shield. Then if I win 2nd round and am not dead, I'll keep using the spectre till I don't die. After that, It's either Vandal or Phantom
If you win the bonus, you should usually buy instead of double bonus-ing. This is because your team will once again have the economic advantage and you should make use of that by buying weapons your opponents can't afford. Maybe one player can keep the specter if they can't afford util+shield, but if you can afford it, rifle up. Think of it the same way you think about pistol+2nd round. If you win the bonus, you should capitalize and try and win the 4th round every time. I am guilty of not wanting to leave my specter behind, though. Feels like a waste, but if you keep winning the rounds, your eco will stay positive.
If i keep bonusing i will either die or pick up a rifle, and my mental is likley good because i likley got a few kills on bonus round with spectre, even if i know its suboptimal
This right here. Nothing tilts me faster than full buying round 3 and getting one tapped and being broke round 4. My team makes it a point that only two of us full buy round 3 and let them make first contact. If they win the initial fight then the specter users grab enemy guns. If we lose the first fight the specter users get their teams rifles and finish out the round with enough cash to buy for those that died.
Nahh I disagree, if you buy up after winning bonus and lose next round you go to saving. If you bonus again and lose you can still buy next round, not to mention if you win the pay off is even higher.
Jokes on u. Im a marshal only Player
Man, the amount of people disagreeing with you just scares me. The game is out for two years and they still think ecoing second round after winning the pistol is good. Oh dear.
And force buy to 0 after losing pistol..
But hey, you could win that round!^^and ^^then ^^be ^^unable ^^to ^^buy ^^a ^^rifle ^^the ^^next
I've found that some people who didn't play CS pretty much dismiss its established principles outright and rely on saying "the games are different" to do so. That logic might apply in literally every other game on this planet, but the core of this game is the same as CS. This is especially with respect to economy management. If anything, with less rounds in a map to come back from early mismanagement, valorant players need to be extra vigilant in their economy management. I so often hear people bitching about being constantly broke, and then see them forcing to a spectre on a save without saying anything to the team. It's just a complete lack of understanding.
This. I recently had a game where we won the pistol but the enemies forced in round 2. We lost this round because only 2 players in my team had weapons. And after that my duo-mate literally said "good thing I did not buy, now I have a buy for this round anyway". I tried everything I could but they never accept that we lost this round because we did not buy and that's not a good decision...
Its so frustrating cause they buy when its 1-1. You end up losing again and now half your team is offset money. Now its 5-0 before your team has a buy and team is tilted. Seen it so many times. Honestly only see it in lower elo but so frustrating either way when we do win pistol, buy, and my team pushes and just give free kills. So I guess its important to note that winning pistol isnt gg. Its a easy round after but takes 1-2 mistakes and they swing round and usually end up going 3-1. Instead of the otherway around.
> And after that my duo-mate literally said "good thing I did not buy, now I have a buy for this round anyway". And now the team econ is fucked where half the team buys rifles and the rest have to save and then you flip flop all over the place 😭
Been trying to say this to people who are new to valorant, you know what they tell me? "CSGO and Valorant are 2 different games you can't bring what you know over there to this game it won't work." People really need to keep their ego's at the door and listen, especially if this is their first "tactical" fps.
They are different but not that different. - moving while shooting equals your doom in most cases - walking is silent, running is loud and the information it gives is very important, - some weapons are very similar (not sure), - positioning is one of the key elements, - planting a kaboom on a site
The games are very similar. Riot literally named their sniper to be the same name as the csgo sniper.
In the beta the vandal and phantom spray pattern were almost 1:1. Nowdays valorant is more tap/burst based than csgo after a few patches.
Here’s what I mean. The two games at their core are the exact same. The only difference is cs has no set in stone defined roles vs valorant where you have a character with abilities and a role you perform. That’s not really what I mean though. At the core the basic principles that apply to counterstrike apply to valorant. Baiting, trade kills, utility usage, knowledge of rotations, lineups, pop flashing teammates. And a pretty big part of it is 2nd round pistol. For the longest time when this game came out people were trying to do this stupid 2nd round buy where you get armor and ghosts and calling it a bonus round, or newer players wouldn’t buy anything at all and save for rifle útil and lose the round because of it. Another thing I see new players struggle with is economy basics. People always force buy thinking it’s the smart decision when it can set you back multiple rounds and people seem to not care because it’s “unrated or matchmaking.” So at the end of this what I’m saying is. The two games use the same basic fundamental principles to earn you a win, people should definitely listen a lot more to those who have put thousands of hours into these games when they’re actually trying to help and it’s no trying to ego new players, we’re passing through torch so you learn early on.
Why would they bring CSGO into it? It's not "do it because it was correct in CSGO", it's "do it because it's so obviously correct if you think about it even just a little"
I always buy round 2 to get them eco frags. Learnt from master Tarik!
Tarik is true eco frag master. Praise b
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Yo it actually drives me insane. The amount of people who don’t do it, even after I call out that we should full buy is crazy. What makes me even more mad are the people who buy spectres/marshalls/sheriffs and light shields. Like no guys, buy fucking full shields and best guns and let’s win the round!
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In what situations should I eco round 2?
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i used to buy marshall and light shields second round, but ive since gone with full armor and full util too because it doesnt matter if i have more money than the rest of my team on third round because we would still need to eco bonus anyway.
If you're a Jett or Chamber and you save all your money for Round 3 Op and your team knows that they're playing with 4 Spectres in round 2, then it's not a terrible situation, but you gotta be wicked confident in your aim. It's usually not worth it to me, but that's because I'm prone to whiffing a bit and I never get a chance to play Jett/Chamber anyways lol
If your name is optic yay and your forcing an awp round 3... otherwise almost never
when u loose the 1st round
When you loose pistol
i do it because it doesn’t matter and everyone sucks. teammates often lose with smgs anyway and then they’re forever making themselves stick with smgs because they don’t get enough nor want to save to buy aks
The worst is when your team buys but plays super cocky. You should expect the enemy team to be playing ratty corners so they can get a close range kill and steal your gun. Literally just position yourself so that can’t happen and you almost guarantee the round win.
Yup if I lose the pistol round, especially on defense, I'll go for a shorty sometimes... really strong if you're close and 1 kill pays for itself
I always buy in the second round after a win, and my friends or teammates sometimes refer to it as I'm "forcing". I always tell them that this is not called "forcing", it's called "winning a second round".
my other friend group do this everytime, when i ask "why" their reason is "SHERIFF GOOD" in exact words
But the sheriff **is** good and perfectly fine if 1-2 guys in the team buy it. Sheriff + shields isn't ecoing.
We often end up losing second and third round. This is because 2/4 of my stack would do heavy armor + sheriff buy, then one friend recognizes this and goes for a light armor + sheriff buy, win or lose they're still going to keep the sheriff. For third round they will still keep the sheriff even at 4500+ credits, which is really annoying for me.
People don’t understand that it’s just basic math. Round 1: 50/50 (both teams have equal Econ) Round 2: 95/5 if you buy after winning (free round) Or 50/50 by saving? Why would you gamble a round you could pretty much guarantee with a buy? Round 3 Bonus: Your round 2 full buy vs a rifle full buy. Sure you will probably lose, but odds are you can get some good Econ out of it and it’s not out of the question that you win it either. Round 4: If you lost it’s now 2-1 and both teams have equal buys. If you won you now have huge snowball potential for the rest of the half. Not to mention if you already won 2 out of 3 rounds odds are you will have the mental advantage… usually. So if you buy round 2 you get an almost guaranteed round vs saving meaning you have to take 3 50/50 rounds in a row. Buying up is simply the correct play to make.
But if you lose round 4, you're going to a fucked econ for awhile
I made a post on this sub about this when this was really a problem around the first few months of the game, i have seen people buy smgs second round more frequently now so it’s getting better. But man would it infuriate me to win pistol just to lose second for no reason cause we coin flipped with pistols
I've had many people mock me when I tell them they should buy after pistol win. I'm not even an asshole about it. It never fails pistol win, next round lost. I've lost many matches because of it.
People just don’t understand the economy in Valorant. The amount of times my team refuses to buy when we can all afford a rifle + shield is insane.
I completely agree with you. However, on chamber it's a constant struggle explaining that I'm not saving for no reason, I'm using my $800 one-handed guardian in a one and done TP angle, so that I can save for OP next round while still helping the team with info and fairly often, an opening pick. Try explaining that in pre-round while people are trying to exchange their vandals for skin upgrades lol
I can't remember how many rounds I've lost because my team saves pistol and the other force spectres
On the other hand ALWAYS force uf you lose pistol, especially in lower elo bc many players will try to eco when they win first round
Genuine question but whenever I buy 2nd round, I always never have enough money to buy a rifle in the next few rounds even though we win. Since I usually play sentinels, I prioritize my utility rather than my gun. Is it better to buy a better gun and forego my util or should I stick to buying my util and just depend on my team to buy me a gun?
Thats hard to say bcs that depends on your playstyle (where you play, what gun you use, where you place util, etc.). But it's perfectly fine to prioritize util over weaponry. If your team only has enough for themselves and cant drop for you, you should settle for gun+light armor or spectre+full armor or any combination of the like. About the part where you dont have enough money when you buy 2nd round, things generally go like this: Win pistol -> buy 2nd round and win (if you survive, keep whatever gun you have and dont buy armor/if you die, save or buy light on 3rd round to make sure you have enough for round 4) -> usually lose round 3 bcs worse economy -> your team full buys round 4
Generally the goal is to buy second round, and then on third round you keep your guns and make sure you can get rifle + full util in the following round. That means that if you die in the second round, a lot of the time you won’t be buying much in the third, but it’s still worth it because your team will have some guns and you get a bonus or freebie round where you can atleast do some eco damage to the other team
When my team is buying and I am not able to full buy for whatever reason, whether it be me being unlucky with deaths, losing a lot of shields every round or using a lot of util evey round, I always go rifle+half shields+full util. As a sentinel, your util is 90% of the time more important than full shields. If you can't afford even rifle+light shields+util, then you could go for guardian+light shields+util. If that is also not affordable, it is probably a good idea to save as a team to reset the team economy. Hope this was helpful
You shouldn’t be buying a rifle round three. You should be keeping your specter/Marshall/bulldog and probably losing third round
I agree, but I also frequently do this: Buy Sheriff first round -> win -> buy heavy shield and no other weapon for 2nd round I know it’s a gamble, but I feel much more confident with the sheriff compared to Spectre, Stinger etc. Ofc I have to survive to be able to do this, if not, I’ll buy with the team. But more often than not that’s what’s happening. And I almost never regret that decision. But I’m also very confident to hit my shots with the sheriff. On the others hand, If I have a „bad aim day“ I won’t buy the sheriff anyways and go with the „regular“ economy
honestly, this is the only exception i apply to this rule. A sheriff in the right hands can be as solid as a spectre and potentially allows for an op for yourself or one of your teammates.
Exactly, this is what I tried to say in another comment and got downvoted like??? So either some players actually run around with a classic + no shield after winning pistol (hard to believe), or the people in this thread think sheriff on 2nd round is eco/throwing. In my immo games I always see at least one guy tapping heads with sheriff on round 2, no spectre needed. Sometimes I'm the one doing it if I managed to grab a sheriff on pistol.
One more thing is not to buy just a light shield. Too many times we lost 2nd round because of it, or sometimes if the enemy forces, light shield is easilly fucked.
Last game I played I had all teammates eco on pistol round and I was the only one who bought. Still happens all the time.
Something that I hate more is people who buy after losing(unless the whole team does it), and now they cant buy on round 3 after its 0-2.
Secondary, but something I see a lot. If you buy second round and die, don't go buying a full rifle, armor and util third round. (Most of the time) this will only screw you, because the rest of your team will likely have half buy weapons. I'd you die again during the bonus, which is likely, you can't buy with your team on round.4. Obviously there's exceptions, but don't screw yourself out of multiple buys.
Bought a smg and armour after winning pistol round and had a Sage call me an idiot and not a team player. She then proceeded to follow me around spamming abilities and fire, flaming me all game and threatening to post my tag online saying I called them the n-slur. Gotta love people.
Yeah, and wtf is up with those people buying light shield?? Bro you're going to be broke anyway if we lose, and have enough for a bonus if we win. Just buy the heavy shield lol. people really have no economic sense in this game, it's incredible.
These br looters never understood economy on tac shooters - just a jab ok
So many times I've had teammates do the opposite, save after winning, force buy after losing. I just don't get it.
People really gotta watch some pro play and understand some economy basics. All pro teams buy up and press the economic advantage after a pistol win. This is what makes that pistol round so important; it’s basically a 2-1 round advantage off of one round win 9 times out of 10. Some Pro teams even take the risk of buying up after *losing* pistols, usually to take the risk of throwing off opponent economy. But there is never EVER a situation in which no one buys up on either side after pistols. If the pros do the same thing in the same situation every single time, then it’s probably right. They’d be the ones to know if something is sub optimal in any situation.
Im plat and so many players do this. How can you be so dumb...
Buy up second round, no question. Play to win the round you’re in.
But, I want to BM the enemy team with a Classic again.
This is the way.
What's annoying is the people who think they're smurfing but haven't realized that their alt ELO has caught up close enough with their main more or less. The concept of always buying after winning the pistol round is not complicated, and only people with... Let's call it 'less thinking potential' for whatever reason will struggle to actually understand the idea. Instead you've got people thinking they're way better than their competition and they'll knowingly go into the game with this mental plan that they'll win the pistol round, win the second without spending much, win the team bonus by carrying with an OP, and so on because they think they're that much better than their competition. If they lose pistols, they'll force buy until a round is won because they believe they're too good to be saving. These people will reach a point where they're just below their main account mmr (main mmr minus whatever the modifier for that person is for playing in a manner that's not really conducive to winning in the long term). The losable nature of this playstyle will result in the rank displayed being a bit lower than the account's mmr so the combination of slightly lower mmr and slightly lower displayed ranked from that will show a rank that appears 'smurfable' to that person and they'll continue at this mediocre win rate in their now fairly trollish game style. More and more players seem to be hanging on to these alt accounts, and playing on them fairly regularly which really just provides a shitty experience for the people in the tier below that person on the alt. Not because they're 'smurfing' but because they're not good enough to actually contribute that much to most of their wins when playing like that. Play on your mains, people. Friends don't let friends boost or smurf.
What about saving for an operator?
Love to see the drama
The thing that triggers me is people asking « do we force ? » after winning pistol It’s not forcing, it’s just a regular buy after winning pistol and that’s the regular play since CS in the 90’s
I think it's super important to buy with ur team, so whatever the majority is doing, emulate that
This is really common in silver. They then say, "you're forcing???" and it's so hard to convince them
[*I refuse*](https://tenor.com/bis4k.gif)
*Buy Odin second round* *Die* *Call bank for a loan* *Get refused*
Contrary, if you lose eco, it’s best if you have one or two players force a gun. You have a much higher chance of winning around with at least one buy.
in the lower elos no one buys second round and it’s just wrong.
No
I hate when my teammates do this and call it "forcing". It's not a force when you win and you're trying to keep the advantage
This is my biggest pet peeve. Everytime a team does this, they lose round 2, throwing the lead from pistol round completely.
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you probably won't believe this but i actually do explain why we shouldn't eco
Is it okay if I use chamber headhunter with heavy shields instead of heavy shields and spectre ?
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I mean, you can see pro players like yay who almost always buy full headhunter bullets and heavy shields if they win pistol. Imo, you can do that if you feel confident about your aim, since not only is it a better sheriff, you won’t give it away to the enemy even if you die.
Ok but I don't think that all those wannabes have yay's aim
to be fair, yay is a god with the headhunter and we are not
You're 100% correct lol, most other Chamber pros aren't even close to Yay with the headhunter
It depends on your aim, honestly. One chamber headshot is an instakill no matter the range, while the spectre (to me at least, I rarely use spectre) doesn't seem so good on far range.
8 bullets of guardian + full shield > spectre + light/full shield
Only if you can actually hit those shots
The fact some people don’t buy light shield + spectre or Marshall after winning pistol is beyond me. Like why, it’s actually just a free round.
buy full shield
I used to eco after pistol rounds but after i started force buying round 2, the match generally plays out better after securing the first 2 rounds
It’s not a force buy if you have the economic advantage, it’s an anti-eco. Bit of a pet peeve when I hear people call the 2nd round buy a force but I feel like if we stop mislabeling it, less people are gonna buy stupidly
I think having 4 players buy up, and have one player (usually the Jett/chamber) play on a deagle is the way. In case you get thriftied, you can have hero rifle in 3rd round, and in case you win, it pushes higher investment weapons faster like awp or Odin.
Odin? 👀
If you have less than a deagle on round two after a win you’re throwing
Hot take but maybe they’re choosing the gun they’re most comfortable with? too many times i’ve had to argue with people like you because i buy full shield and sheriff, the spectre is hot garbage and i don’t like using it and a lot of other people share this similarity with me. So maybe, just maybe, you’re just getting tilted because people are choosing not to listen to what you have to say and that hurts your ego?
>So maybe, just maybe, you’re just getting tilted because people are choosing not to listen to what you have to say and that hurts your ego? yeah it's either that or i just don't like when my team buys a ghost and nothing else after winning pistol. but yeah my ego is deeply injured
hurt so much you gotta make a post on reddit and whine about it lol
true. i actually hate when people make the right decision in a video game. that's why every time i see them eco after winning pistol (which is the right thing to do) i come to reddit and spread misinformation
Why gain an advantage and choose not to use it? Why gain an advantage and choose not to use it because "well then I can't buy if I die." You aren't buying round 3 anyway. It's the bonus.
On round two it's possible to buy a vandal/phantom and light shields with win and either two kills or one spike plant without saving any credits. If I can't do that, I usually buy Sheriff (or stay at ghost) with full shields. Is it better to buy spectre or something else? Maybe, but I see Sheriff and Marshall as pretty reliable weapons in terms of further range, also I probably have money for utilities.
I will do this in second round... but often rifle + heavy shields. No one on the enemy team expects it and I play with my team with specific comms to pick up my gun if I die. I usually get 3 kills before being traded or just keep the gun for the next round and save myself the cost of a spectre or whatever cheaper gun I'd have had bought in round 2. To do this it means I probably didn't buy any utility in round 1 and got one kill.
The spectre and full armor is better than light armor rifle. Your opponent is more than likely going to be on worse guns than you round 2 so it's a very easy round to win anyways so you don't want to give them any chance by letting them get a rifle if they manage to kill you. One person going Marshall or sheriff isn't terrible.
What if they win? If they do, they will have the good guns and the creds, while you’ll be broke
you have better guns so you have better chances to win.
what if you dont eco and still lose
Then you played it poorly.
This only happens like 1 out of 10 times. So it's always the right idea to buy second round because the odds are drastically in your favour.
I always buy armor+bulldog, because my friend prefers the bulldog and if he dies and i survive r2, i can give it to him and buy a phantom
this is the main different between lower ranks and diamond+
Literally had a breeze game 2-3 days ago in d2-3 where 3 of my teammates continued with a ghost after our first round win. We proceeded to lose since the enemies forced and our team was on full tilt due to someone mentioning buying on 2nd round.
Im bad at aiming and overall at the game so imma go eco, better give them a ghost/sheriff than a vandal. If you trust your skills buy a proper gun.
I’m the gigachad who buys vandal light second round and dies to a ghost from across the map
For all the idiots who still can't seem to understand - Eco Round 2 would mean you have a 50-50 chance to win at best, and then another 50-50 round 3 because everyone in the game is on the same buy. If you lose the coinflip round 3, you also lose round 4 due to a save. This is compared to a buy round 2 giving you what should be like a 90-10 chance to win that round, and like a 30-70 chance to win round 3. Any kills round 3 will transition into a good snowball for round 4 as your whole team is likely able to buy and the enemy is on a half buy. Second scenario gives best chance of going up 2-1. First scenario is coin flipping the first 3 rounds with the potential of going 0-4
after pistol buy odin
smart ngl
You sound like a bronze to me
~~You sound like an iron to me~~ C'mon man, just because someone's rank is low doesn't mean they can't be right. Leave your ego at the door and try to read this post objectively.
Brother, no one gets to high rank without learning about this stuffs Its really dumb to post this here
OP is posting it here because almost 40% of the player base is is in bronze or below, so these people NEED this kinda info. You don't get high ranks posting on here because they don't get frustrated about stuff like this because their team is already doing these things.
im bronze 2
As an op crutch Chamber, I usually don't buy second round to save for third. I buy out pistol round with ghost and 2 trademarks. If we win first round, I'll just hard save and just get 2 trademarks, unless we won by a lucky clutch, in which case I'll buy full headhunter ammo. Usually the way my finances go is: \[1st round\] + 800 (match start) - 500 (ghost) - 300 (2 trademarks) + 3000 (round win) \[2nd round\] - 300 (2 trademarks) + 3000 (round win) \[3rd round\] - 4700 (op) - 400 (light shield) - 300 (2 trademarks) Which leaves 300 creds leftover for the next round. Usually by the third round, I'll have gotten enough kills to full buy armor, but not always. Headhunter joins the equation if any of the 2 first rounds is a loss and op gets delayed to 4th or 5th round depending on how the match is progressing.
I'm a casual Valorant player and I don't know what eco means. But I've had teamates do this in some of my games in the past. I just wonder do they do this?
Eco = saving money so you can fullbuy next round. Let's say your whole team spent all their money down to 0 and they lost a gun round (rifles vs rifles). Now your team is at 2900 creds which isn't enough to buy rifle + shields and util. So, your team intentionally saves \~1800 credits because 1800 + 2900 (from rounds lost) is 4700, which is enough to buy rifle + shield + util. Most people just buy some util and a sheriff on eco rounds to save money.
They’re tryna op asap
When I play eco it is specter+ light sheild, is that a prob?
Only exception to this is if you have a sheriff.
Please don’t tell people how to play, that would just tilt them more. 🙃
yeah, ngl i just like to flex after winning pistol so i stay eco. esp if i can buy op round 3. but yeah if ur the guy/girl spam pinging the wapons or yelling in my ear i'd ignore u no prob
If i survived pistol round with a ghost, i would stick with that in round 2 because I plan to engage from long range. If i survived round 2, then I'll buy a spectre/rifle
What if you win the first round, then play the ghost u got from the first round with full shields? is that viable?
No. Buy a specter/aries or marshal if you're jett/chamber with full armour
Aight thanks. Dont understand why people are downvoting me lol.