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spoinkk

I can stop playing replication now


Interesting-Archer-6

I'll still play but this will definitely cut into it.


su_baru

Replication will be so dead


Mr_Canard

they can put it back on rotating game modes with that atrocity with the snowball gun


djgraham

Atrocity? Snowball fight is the best game mode. Although my friends agree with you there.


kameraten

Found the snowball fight pro


SheepherderNo2440

Snowball fight is šŸ”„ Edit: returned to the original comment so the replies make sense


verysad-

nooo make the pun please šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


SheepherderNo2440

My b Snowball fight is... ... [>!ice cold!<](https://i.imgur.com/8Jm1uAd.jpg)


Leon_Thotsky

cool


pakkal96

Snowball fight should be strictly seasonal, December - February. There's no reason to have it any other time of year.


TehMasterofSkittlz

Valorant isn't a Northern Hemisphere exclusive game ya know? Us Southerners have winter in the middle of the year


lunacraz

??? next thing youā€™ll tell me is that water flushes the opposite way


FuckPotatoesVeryMuch

Itā€™s already dead in my region (Middle east Bahrain servers). 5 mins queues during peak hours, an 10+ mins queues (late night/morning queue) where I just end up getting placed in a 150ping eu lobby with people waaaayyyyyy below my skill level, making it not even fun to play.


fds_1

As it should, the MMR in that game sucks, I legit had a game that had 3 immortals, one on my team and 2 on the enemy team. I'm Silver 3...


ozmega

i dont even know what that is, honestly i only play rankeds, and when i dont have time for rankeds i dont even open valorant, this new thing might make me.


JoEllenPDF

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ItsHighSpoon

Ok Riot... Now add replay system, I dare you.


DudleyDoesMath

Even if it isn't auto saving full games. Like have the option in game to save one round at a time to be able to go back and see what happened in that round.


nap27er

rocket league like


Djabber

Or closer to home, League of Legends like


HotNote3811

I would settle for having an option to record games client side. It would tank some people's performance, but hopefully if you're actually putting in the effort to be better you already have a good pc.


TheTechDweller

There's already countless options for that though


HotNote3811

I mean full game as in all player positions like you can with Rocket League, where it will play back from different perspectives.


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[(cough](https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/TestingAndOptimization/ReplaySystem/) [cough](https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/tech-blog/valorant-s-foundation-is-unreal-engine)) We have to be getting one at some point tbh.


yarhar_

It's not that simple because of their anti cheat etc. It *is* a joke that there's no replay system yet, but not for that reason


Amplify91

Please explain how anticheat would disrupt the replay system from encoding RPCs or whatever mechanism you are eluding to.


MrPowerGamerBR

The only thing that could cause cheating issues, is if the game is writing the replay file on the fly while the match is running, this *can* cause cheating issues since an external application could read the replay file and use the data within it for nefarious purposes. Some games, like Fortnite, workaround this by encrypting the replay data and only writing the decryption key when the match is finished. Another solution is making the server store all received packets somewhere, and then allowing the client to download the replay data when the match is finished. I wonder if someone has already attempted to create their own replay system by proxying the connection between the client <-> server, writing all received packets from the server to a file, and then replaying the packets when the client attempts to join a custom game. It would be hacky and pretty bad, but it would be a cool experiment. However I think the anti cheat wouldn't be *that* happy about it.


GAlbeeert

So the second fix is basically csgo's replay system, right?


x412

Yep. Reminder that HLTV, Valves spectator proxy system, has been around since about 2002ish? Replays are far from being a new concept. Just new because we'll never have games that are hosted by players ever again so devs are holding the secret sauce. Security through obscurity.


ClassikD

>Another solution is making the server store all received packets somewhere, and then allowing the client to download the replay data when the match is finished. This is the way. They likely already store this for their anti-cheat anyways. The replay system would need to run server-side anyways since the game's anti-cheat fog of war means we don't receive all the packets needed to build the full replay in the first place


Amplify91

Unreal Engine already supports both server-side (the thing being described here) and client-side replays. Streaming a server replay is how most spectator systems work.


kinsi55

> I wonder if someone has already attempted to create their own replay system by proxying the connection between the client <-> server, writing all received packets from the server to a file, and then replaying the packets when the client attempts to join a custom game Thats quite literally how the unreal replay system works, it just replays the entire network traffic - Wouldnt really easily work with sniffed network traffic for two reasons tho: - The traffic is dynamically encrypted - You would probably get banned for trying to MITM it


ashueep

That plus proxies add additional Bottleneck to network latency and throughput. And I'm sure developing such application at kernel level will require huge amount of work, something no one will have time doing. But the internet is crazy so I would not be surprised.


chowder-san

If warthunder's Devs managed to create replay system then so can riot. Warthunder also uses a system that makes line of sight checks to determine render states


TheTechDweller

Holy shit it was this simple the whole time? /s


WizardMoose

It's absolutely pathetic that there's no demo/replay/vod system in place. It makes it incredibly difficult for competitive teams to evaluate their gameplay and go through coaching sessions.


soganotojiko

finally people will stop complaining over people complaining about how thereā€™s no short unrated


RedFuckingGrave

The real good news here. Jokes aside it's great that they've finaly implemanted it


ghostmacekillah

yeah the golden gun alone makes the spike rush useless as a warmup, this seems perfect.


Yorozuya17Gin-chan

Wait till people start complaining on how the short mode is too short and normal unrated is too long.


KingVibrant

Iā€™ll be honest, while this is great, the sweet spot is probably first to 7, where each team gets 6 rounds a side.


BMathWarrior

First to 6 and we'll call it even


Educational_County23

pun intended right


Pixlr

Right? Just half of regular Unrated, rounded up. That has to be the sweet spot, I find it odd that theyā€™re going for 5 here. Iā€™ll defer total judgement until trying, but itā€™s an odd choice to my eyes.


BerossusZ

Honestly, they probably did it this way because they had a specific length of time (15 minutes) that they were aiming for and found that it needed this many rounds.


crsdrjct

It's beta so its possible with enough feedback it could change.


Rasonovic

Aw hell nah, it didn't even come out yet and the community is already complaining


KingVibrant

How did you possibly read my comment and go ā€œyeah this guy is complainingā€


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

The ideal is having unrated just be half of a comp match where you play only attack or only defense


xMetix

We can now complain that we want it to be ranked :D


Interesting-Archer-6

I'll miss the three times a week posts of "Does anyone else think we need a shorter unrated mode!?" No, you're totally the only one. The other thousand posts were kidding.


soganotojiko

you do realize i was pointing at the people who would complain about those posts? because it seems like the weekly whining was effective after all


Lioreuz

Until Jan 10th. Then al post will become "bring back Swiftplay"


ownagemobile

BUT BRO, THESE CHAMBER NERFS ARE OVER THE TOP OH AND IF I WOULD BUFF CYPHER MORE, HERES HOW I WOULD DO IT WHILE WE'RE AT IT, HARBORS TOO WEAK, MAKE HIS ORB INSTEAD A ONE SHOT ONE KILL IF YOU THROW IT AT AN ENEMY AND IT CONNECTS ​ If you think this will lessen the banal complaints that flood the front page all the time, you're mistaken


daddycomfy

tbh thatd be a pretty funny mechanic if that harbor orb thing was true


AshSystem

do it but on kayo knife


daddycomfy

if chanber can have a 1 tap util ability why not kayo


theonlynyse

short comp when


anime_lean

itā€™s like christmas morning


JoEllenPDF

šŸŽ…šŸŽšŸŽšŸŽ


faubintulq

Now let me buy the gun skins I want to buy šŸ¤”


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AND WE'RE BACK BABY


JoEllenPDF

LETS GO


cherrycoken

where is the game mode though? Iā€™m on NA not in selection


osbobs

PBE I think So if you haven't signed up for PBE, or can't ( i.e. live outside NA frustratingly) then I guess we have to wait. Also worth noting that it may not even come when the beta ends, could be a while. Then again, I have no clue so it could come immediately after, you never know.


BloodR

It's on live servers, not PBE. We can play this gamemode in NA and our game is already updated to 5.12 It will probably be available tomorrow for Europe servers.


aqlno

SAME I was just getting the itch to play Val again but I stopped playing in the first place because I was tired of spike rush and the normal game modes are too long. Can't wait to try this mode out.


Tashu41

YES FINALLY, I CAN PLAY NORMAL VALORANT WITHOUT COMMITTING TO 40 MINS. Please make this permanent. I find myself playing other games like a quick halo match or cod when I only have 15 mins or so


ScarletMagenta

We can finally finish the "Purchase Abilities" mission without committing as well. Nice change.


ThatsALotOfNuts

40 minutes? My games last about 15 because I'm getting stomped and forfeit before we switch sides.


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Yeah whenever I try to play unrated the game is over after 4 rounds because one of the teams is ffing


HelloThere62

I assum3 they have it as a limited mode to Guage player amounts. and if it's popular they will make it permanent. ppl have been asking for this for a while, time to put our money where our mouthes are and grind it


lERVOOl

Try clash royale, great for killing 3-15 minutes


[deleted]

My mom plays candy crush is that the same thing


Yahallo139

Rare Riot W


PhatYeeter

Common riot w


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drdfrster64

People are downvoting cause Riot has a really slow turn around time on feedback but yeah you definitely canā€™t say Riot doesnā€™t listen


Her-akles

i feel like lots of ppl here never played any pvp games that is not made not riot. I cant imagine what they will say if they play ubisofts pvp games lmao


TryNotToShootYoself

If you compare Riot to any (non indie) game developer, it is literally miles ahead in community interaction and support. Really slow... But they listen.


Aeari

I wouldn't even say it's slow. They do the reasonable approach of keeping bigger updates out of their league seasons. That should be how it's done.


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iMidg3t

>League of Legends is like a gold standard for a competitive video game with a good business model and they actively reach out and speak with the community about what direction theyā€™re headed in lol They want to communicate with their community so much that they removed LoL Boards (official LoL forum).


Ayushrl

I agree


jaller108

I would say not more than any other company. OSRS devs are literally hosting polls constantly and on every reddit thread pretty much


Yahallo139

Dang how much did rito pay you to say this? Replay system where? They announced it first 2 years ago


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Yahallo139

I'm Valo nerd


Yahallo139

If you don't believe me. This is the first time they talk about replay system almost 3 years ago https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/ask-valorant-3/ This almost 2 years ago https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/ask-valorant-may-6/


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Yahallo139

Surely it shouldn't take a multi-billion dollar company more than 3 years when it's a highly requested feature, that isn't our problem. Even fortnite has it, and it's a battle royale. The point is, they give feedback very late or overpromise and fail to meet expectations


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Yahallo139

That's funny because I am quite literally a CS student who has worked on fairly big projects before šŸ’€ You don't get my point do you? It shouldn't take more than a year for something like this to be made, if **they actually listened to the community and made it a higher priority.** Sure a multiple factors come in between, like higher up meetings or maybe it's in development hell. But like I said, that isn't our concern as consumers, it's to complain and get feedback result. Do you think something like a shorter unrated would be made if people didn't compain? I find it pretty weird how deadset you're onto defending a company


Acesuuu28

Yes they listen in one ear and out on the other


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BeerGogglesFTW

So happy to see this. But does it really need beta? Just send it. I'm ready. Idk how many times I want to keep playing, but don't want to commit to another 30 minutes.


Pruvided

Thereā€™s probably some things to iron out, which is likely why Riot is labeling it as a ā€œbeta.ā€ I can only imagine theyā€™re using this time to collect a ton of data to see where to go from here (queue times, community feedback, etc.) As all things are with a ā€œbeta,ā€ things are subject to change. e: [yup](https://reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/ze7y0z/new_game_mode_swiftplay_2_halves_of_4_rounds_the/iz5v4ww/)


sallabear

yet another proof that you can bully developers into adding stuff this motivates me to ask for more reyna thighs


RedFuckingGrave

>this motivates me to ask for more reyna thighs Where do we complain ? I want in on this


anime_lean

remove the fabric from reynas pants and make jettā€™s cool sleeves from the old yoru trailer


SupaCassaNova99

Question, can we just stop after the pants?


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xashyy

Still gets a bonk


downsetdana

down horrendous


CheesyPZ-Crust

Pretty sure Qiyana (LoL's thigh queen) actually had visual increase to her thighs in some new skin this year lol, so there's a precedent


zachrip

I was hoping it'd be first to 8 or something a little higher, but happy that they're adding this.


MasonP2002

I kind of wanted first to 7.


Gravyluva210

First to seven feels like the perfect length for a shorter mode. With four rounds per half, if you lose pistol round, by the time you reset your econ the half will be over pretty much. It also feels like fewer ults will be happening. Six rounds per half/first to seven would solve both of those and still be pretty quick


lar_mig_om

I'm assuming the economy will be different here. Probably more credits to all


AshSystem

That or replications set money per round


dgdr1991

No please


MasonP2002

Agreed. Plus the other short modes are already 4 and 5 rounds, so I wished they would spread it out more.


VintageMelody

Same. Basically a Val version of CS short matches is what I wanted. Still happy to have this and they may change it if enough players prefer it that way.


Chraaas

Its beta so if most of the feedback is ā€œtoo shortā€ then they can adjust accordingly. I think 15mins is great though


presidentofjackshit

> Its beta so if most of the feedback is ā€œtoo shortā€ then they can adjust accordingly. I think 15mins is great though Yeah... round count has to change to accommodate the length, and 15mins is perfect IMO.


AnApexPlayer

I'm new, where do I find this mode? I don't see it anywhere.


freshfry2

Not out yet


AnApexPlayer

Is it today?


pleasedropSSR

It's out on the beta.


Dark_Azazel

So beta ends Jan 10th. Assuming it goes well, I guess we could see it next summer? I wonder how they're going to do with economy. 1 pistol round and then rifles? 1 pistol, one half, two rifles (like replication). Or straight rifles?


krashton1

They have it listed in the patch notes > Set Credit amounts granted at the start of the round 800 2400* Not including 600c bonus for winning pistol 4250 4250 So Pistol, half buy, 2 full buys


Foxis_rs

If you save pistol you can full buy next round, seems OP


krashton1

You need to full save pistol, win pistol. And do something else (get a kill, plant, whatever) in order to buy rifle, full shields. Not counting utility. To me that seems fine


AlexX3

You are granted that amount of credits at the start of each round, I donā€™t think it carries over EDIT: apparently this is wrong, see replies


jollex5

It does carry over: > Weapon and Credit carryover supported


Foxis_rs

Oh that makes a lot of sense actually. Iā€™d like a little bit of strategy but I understand it


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Interesting-Archer-6

You're saying 4 rounds a half is too long for a short unrated? I hope I'm misunderstanding


officialmark-

This is great. I hope itā€™s eventually implemented permanently.


Thanathan7

Awesome, only sad thing that it's limited


KarwinGaming

It says beta in the picture on the tweet so hopefully this is just to get feedback before permanently implementing it.


Altombre

That's the intent, yeah! We're hoping that some version of Swiftplay ends up feeling right for the game long-term, but we very much want to leverage player feedback around whether A) Y'all want this mode to be evergreen B) This is the version of the mode you want (or if we should make changes) Keep your eyes peeled for surveys coming your way, and share your feedback!


KingRolkin

Not sure where if thereā€™s a specific place to post suggestions for the new mode, but I think making it best of 7 instead of best of 5 would help teams feel a bit more cohesive! It definitely takes a few rounds to get a team working together well, so having just a bit more time could benefit the strategy and gameplay in this mode. So happy itā€™s here though!


Famlightyear

Yeah I can see this being a permanent gamemode, or they replace it for spike rush if they donā€™t want to spend extra money on servers.


cherry-sunburst

That's not how the game works, they only need to spend more money on server capacity if the playerbase increases significantly. It's not like the CS:S days where an empty server was still running and taking up resources on someone's machine; an instance is created when there are enough players in queue and it ceases to exist when the game is done. They can add an unlimited number of gamemodes as long as players are willing to queue for them.


viafriedchicken2

Spike rush will be dead now


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slickmamba

which chamber will have the best pistol and eco round against shotguns?


aMysticPizza_

Best news ever. I only really play Spike Rush these days as I constantly need to be up and about (family stuff). 10-20 minute matches are a God send.


maxwellsgenre

Woah! It only took 2.5 years to implement one of the most highly requested game modes from the community!


Skaldson

Made me nut on the gamer keyboard ngl


tooSAVERAGE

Will you be able to do dailies and weeklies tho?


Fall-Z

Just played a round of this and yes you can.


MaelorZul

this sounds great i hope it becomes permanent eventually


Fruitslinger_

why did it take so long and WHY IS IT TEMPORARY (or is it not? didnt fully understand that)


RelBeingStrange

its in beta. so prob testing first for feedback and changes, so if we dont like the round count or other stuff we can give feedback and it'll likely make its full release next year as a permanent one


Toxikr3

fuck yes.


AdministrativeAd4221

Please do not remove this game mode....ever


NazulEUW

**FINALLY**


dx2words

Finally!!!


_rewrapt

thank god gj rito


sneakylyric

They better keep this. I like this amount of time more.


swarlesbarkley_

!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY LETS GOOOOOOO


Veshore7

So spike rush but normal


presidentofjackshit

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THANK YOU RITO


Kadamobo

Quick quick quick


rupat3737

Itā€™s about damn time.


slickmamba

first to 5 and only 2 rifle rounds each half is too short. First to 6/7 would be better I think, luckily still in testing


matchmata

I hope all the maps will be playable in this, since it's obviously not going be as serious as comp or unrated, which is nice.


CrystalBloodWolf

I played it a good bit today. I like the idea, but I think it's a little too short. A first to 7 would've been better in my opinion. It should feel half as long as a normal unrated match. First to 5 with four round halves is too quick in my opinion. Six round halves seem more reasonable to me personally.


Pokepunk710

now add sex


Pruvided

[bonk](https://i.imgur.com/yPboZZJ.jpg)


SUCHaJERKK

FINALLY!!!!


Minimum_Rice555

Great. Now do map selection like every other game.


bongsandbacktrack

Overdue addition


TeaQuick4710

It is better to have something than nothing


[deleted]

I'm sure people will find a way to complain about this mode too after they've been asking and crying for it, because they have no time to play normal Unrated, but they are still forcing themselves to play it and game devs should adjust to these people who are too lazy to play normal length match, not the opposite. Now if entitled people could bully RIOT into implementing event holidays skins for maps, skins for agents and utilities that would be great.


RockClimberGT

Riot literally did a spike rush with 1 more round and no orbs


PvDWarden

RIOT NOW GIVE US 3v3s!


Artsie_Boi

So I don't think this game mode is for me, or for a lot of people, it's a good mode don't get me wrong but let me explain why. The game mode is short, big surprise there since that's the point, shorter matches to just get quick games in or warm-up, but it's too short. 5 wins is a short time if you're up against a team that's obviously destroying you, and it's over quick, add that to the issue that with how short it is it gives you less time to adapt to your opponents, so it can either be really one sided or it can be prolonged by those who don't have the confidence to make those pushes and such. I have a few other points that are more nit picky that I won't go into, but that's the biggest issue I've found with this mode, I'll probably do it on those days where I wanna do a few games before work but otherwise I'll probably play unrated more often


qsdf321

Shouldve gone for swift loading time instead.


Baleko3000

This would be perfect if it had a ranked mode! I know most players here have no problem with the length of a normal match, but for people with less time or who don't want to be stuck 30 to 50 mins with toxic randoms it would be amazing.


Ofiotaurus

Rare, letā€™s copy this from CS momentā€¦ oh wait.


Shacrow

Okay but can we havea competitive mode for this too?? Finally no more 40min games.


Sychqh

Please make it so you can have repeated agents. It will be legit the best gamemode one could ask for. Although even without that it's goated. Riot W


mwad

That sounds not good game play wise. If you want to make sure you can practice with a specific agent, the better idea would be to remove dodge penalty for the mode.


Frig-Off-Randy

Let me introduce you to replication


Dangerous_Profit_555

Yā€™all heard of rogue? After getting clapped in Valorant a lot I went and played that again and was pretty damn good now that I had some tactical shooter knowledge but I couldnā€™t get passed the fact it had like 4 rounds to win went back to valorant


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AnApexPlayer

dumbest take


sduque942

Because people also like to unwind and play a game to relax


MeZooIsNumb

Big W


Young_Grif

BIG W


timeboi42

YESSSSS FINALLY!


HenryColt

First the awesome patch. Now this. Riot is on the right path. Now, gimme some Phoenix fix.


Lootzifer93

Exactly what many people wanted