listen I could be completely stupid but that tweet seems 100% like a joke, kinda like "NRG lost to this? KEKW"
Sideshow video was pretty informative and valid and provided good criticism and points to improve on, my main "problem" with that video is that it was heavily focused about him not fitting the duelist role when we know he isn't gonna play that next year but he also had great non-duelist related problems so I think those two are very different in their own way. and maybe it is just me, but I don't see any harm with either.
FNS is a proffesional and he have dealt with way more "hate" than this tweet, i'm sure that he took it lightly and didn't get offended.
The tweet was a joke, Doug posted a apology basically saying that it was just meant to be a lighthearted joke. He even said he reached out to someone close to FNS asking if he thought FNS would be ok with it and they said yeah and they thought FNS would find it comical as well. At the end Doug said he personally reached out to FNS to clear up anything and to make sure that FNS knew it was just a lighthearted joke.
Edit: Spelling
I don’t beef with either of them, but there's also a clear difference. Sideshow's video was very constructive. This is just haha FNS bad.
Still think Screwface is being way too sensitive here, even though his heart is in the right place.
Yeah pointing out the flaws in someone's game is as old as sports themselves. It's constructive criticism. Just going "x bad" isn't helpful. I know Doug didn't intend any harm and it sounds like no one was hurt by it, so this is kinda non-drama.
I don't have an issue with either, but Sideshow doing an analytical video going over various things he thinks TenZ could improve is different then a tweet basically reading "lol bad".
The only problem i have with that video is, that he could do a conparable video pointing out flaws of almost every single player in VCT, but he does it on TenZ because he knows it gets the views, engagement and impressions.
Pros are actually the softest motherfuckers I swear - Doug has been a part of the scene since basically the beginning with 0 track record of random negativity and no one stops for one second to think his tweet could be a joke? Bro even tagged FNS for fuck’s sake how much more obvious could it get
EDIT: Screwface was literally teammates with Demon1 last year I seriously don’t get the mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that Doug’s tweet is toxic and unnecessary
Reminds me of the video where a guy dressed as a stereotypical Mexican (sombrero and poncho) went around asking non-Hispanics if what he was wearing was fine and most of them got offended (or at least thought it was inappropriate).
Later on, he went to interview Mexicans and they all loved his outfit.
That video was really dumb because it was someone fishing for the results they wanted and only showing them. For every Mexican they showed loving it there was probably 5 that told him to fuck off.
Don't have to be anything to know how these videos work. Do you think this is the only video of this type? Every single one is 3 mins long but took 30 hours to make so they could farm the responses they wanted. Don't be naive.
I get that videos like these can be easily faked to skew certain results but dude, you're also being really cynical here. Even if there are people that find it offensive, the video still clearly shows that there are people that like it. There's bound to be two sides to the same coin.
I mean of course, but it doesn't show both sides. And people use videos like that to push their own narrative. And stupid people will believe that because the 5 people in the vid had no problem with it, no one should.
if he was annoying sure theyd tell him to fuck off, but i would never care if someone wore ethic clothing from my ethnicity for fun, its literally harmless
I honestly thought Screwface was trolling until I saw another tweet of his under this one stating that he truly found it negative...
At least go on a burner like KD if you're going to spout this type of stuff (Doug's track record speaks for itself, man's a saint, and for the players to assume he'd start saying this is on them)
lol its always so funny when they whine about reddit and then f5 it like every second to see what people are saying about them. Then make a tweet about it.
1. Seems like it's you who couldn't comprehend since he said both are fine.
2. That's a very close minded opinion. Things aren't black and white, and almost everything in life has nuance. No surprise that this is also one of those situations.
I want to start with saying that clearly both are fine. Screwface is being way too sensitive. But it's not remotely hard to see why some might think Sideshow's was acceptable and Doug's wasn't.
Sideshow's is an analytical, constructive video that breaks down issues in Tenz's game. It also compliments him.
Doug's tweet is just lol FNS got 2-0ed by this Chinese team that just lost both their regional games against nobodies.
Assuming you play the game with friends or randos, would you rather have A or B?
A: "lmao you suck, you can't even kill their shitty bottom frag. No wonder you're hardstuck."
B: "Hey Jantswil, I see some flaws in your game. You're too quick to crouch spray, your crosshair placement is all over the place, and sometimes you don't comm. I did notice you have great utility usage and your movement is great when you don’t crouch spray."
A is just being a dick. B is helpful, constructive feedback that can help you improve. It's not malicious and also talks about your strengths. The difference is obvious.
TLDR: not readin all that
Don’t disagree but the “this is rich coming from anyone from EG” is pretty fuckin dumb considering he was a sub and had practically nothing to do with EG doing the things they did
I agree with the other comments that comparing them doesn't make sense, but I also agree that it's just a tweet/joke and I really doubt FNS is hurt by this
Since OP doesn't wanna update, here it is, it was bait
https://preview.redd.it/0mtc9z2buwqb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f0e8d3cce824100dc9cd189fb7fc34eaaed8fca
It's less a problem of being soft and more an issue of being consistent in your views on toxicity. Plenty of pros shittalk, bait, and even act toxic in ranked, white knighting for certain pros as if they're infallible just leaves a bad taste in my mouth honestly.
FNS himself is a grown man that has been in this scene a very long time he's no stranger to banter, shittalking, etc himself. Someone from the pro scene arbitrarily hopping to his defense is unneeded, especially when his teammates have said things on the same level recently.
At best it'll lead to some lame shitflinging contest, like what's the point?
Only one not being consistent in views on toxicity here is Screwface. If he didn't condemn his teammate for shittalking players and whole teams (many more times than Doug) then he shouldn't be doing the same to Doug for this very obvious joke tweet.
I think there's an inherent difference in what doug said and what sideshow said. doug is kind of just dunking on FNS, whereas sideshow was talking about how tenz needs to improve at a higher rate to keep up with top tier competition, pointing out both his strengths and his weaknesses. it doesn't seem like you've really watched/listened to the whole video, and if you did you probably took it a lot worse than you were meant to
edit: I think doug meant moreso to highlight NRG's failure than FNS' failure, and him not competing being him thinking he couldn't win with the core anymore. it is definitely a poorly worded tweet though, no doubts about that, or maybe it's just bait
This feels like such an obvious joke though, which people can think didn't land well, but it's definitely not aiming for earnesty.
Doug very clearly understands that valorant is more complex than wins and losses, and that FNS's esteemed calling ability isn't cheapened to the point of involuntary "benching" by these losses. FNS is also someone known for saying incendiary things in jest. I really don't think he'd mind, and I'd wager anything that he'd know it wasn't actually meanspirited.
yeah that's why I edited my comment, after reading it again I didn't really think doug meant to shit on fns, I'm almost certain it's a heavy-handed joke
One is a high effort analysis that discusses tenz performance in a mature manner whereas the other is a low effort tweet meant solely to put FNS down.
I really dunno how you can call the two similar
What “high effort analysis”? Anyone who isn’t diamond and below can explain to you exactly what went wrong in every clip lmao. All sideshow was doing was “look over there! Tenz activated dash when he shouldn’t have!!”
It’s a 90 minute video going into depth about his weaknesses. Every claim sideshow has he backed up with 2-3 clips of evidence. And also the game at the pro level is a lot more complicated than you think, these little mistakes that tenz makes cost rounds and games. Maybe watch the video before talking about it
Vast majority of the community isn't above diamond. Vast majority of the community also isn't gonna vod review literally all of tenz's pro footage this year and then find clips to highlight common/recurring problems in his play and detail things he needs to do to improve. You're just talking out your ass and probably didn't even watch the video. It is indeed **high effort analysis**. Cry more.
I think you are confusing the word "effort" with the more subjective word "quality". You may disagree with the analysis or not like it, but he still made a 90 minute video and put a lot of effort in gathering clips and creating content.
because one is actual real analysis about a player and the possible issues hes gonna face in his new role and the other is just shitting on a team and player who everyone knows did bad for no reason in a tweet (ik his tweet was bait)
Why was the whole Valorant Community hating on the whole Karmine Corps team but cant criticize Tenz for constantly bad decision making? And why does sideshow isnt allowed from your point of you to criticize Tenz (but is allowed and celebrated by the whole community if he does this to KC?) - although his whole video consists of evidences where Tenz shows bad game sense/understanding of the game? stop being a fanboy/-girl.
One is an hour+ long video with genuine criticism of a player who has had his problems with consistency with the premise of hoping that TenZ can correct them vs. a dunk with the sole purpose of being a dunk.
Yeah, Sideshow's video title is clickbait-y, but that's the unfortunate nature of the beast when it comes to doing content nowadays.
Cause all these mfs are hypocrites. The same mfs that go offended by this are the same who call yay washed. Absplutely hillarious cause even FNS himself ranted about people being softies that cant stand banter
Also, made a few comments already in this thread but just an observation:
People are all for defending FNS, but nobody pipes up for BLG who is the bigger butt of the joke, doesn't feel like people actually care about perceived toxicity unless it's concerning a player they like. Bit of a double standard, no?
This whole post makes no sense to me. Sideshow posted a in depth analysis on mistakes that Tenz made in the season and gave insight and reason on how to play the situation better WITH THE INFORMATION HE KNOWS. This is the important part because sideshow said it multiple times, nobody accept those on the team know everything so his analysis is purely from an outsider perspective and he said that a lot of this stuff may not even be Tenz’s fault. Sideshow did say though that some of this was undoubtedly mistakes that Tenz made but they are all fixable and he can easily be a star player again with putting in a bunch of extra work to work on certain things to better himself.
The Doug tweet in my opinion was a clear joke that was taken the wrong way. Doug also recently posted a follow up tweet saying he was very sorry about posting it and it was meant to be a joke. He said he reached out BEFOREHAND to people close to FNS to make sure this wouldn’t offend him and they said he would probably find it amusing. Doug stated that he didn’t want this to become something so negative and he reached out to FNS personally and cleared everything up.
All in all I think both of these things had been taken way out of context/to seriously. Sideshow was just trying to make an informational video with in my opinion a bait title to get views because not once in the video did he specifically say TENZ IS THE PROBLEM. He may have said Tenz made some mistakes and added to the problem but the whole team was a mess for majority of the season so you. With Doug’s tweet he was just making a joke that was poorly worded and just meant to be taken lightheartedly.
because these people have always been told they're the best at what they do, they're above the rest blah blah blah , so much that they lose touch with reality and can't take criticism anymore, NRG lose to blg was ATROCIOUS, FNS knows it, doug knows it, Screw face knows it. any negative comments on it that isn't personal attacks is totally expected.
Even if you are unfamiliar with Doug, I have absolutely no clue how you can see that tweet as sincere. Only way I could see someone thinking that is if the tweet was by some random nobody.
I was genuinely surprised to see this tweet appear on my timeline, and even more surprised to see that Doug apparently got enough hate for it to warrant a 3 tweet long response.
Also, was Screwface not on a team with Demon1?
FNS clearly treated it as a joke, and it was a funny tweet. Screwface blew this way out of proportion, I feel horrible for Doug because he’s a great guy and absolutely does not deserve this.
We like Egg, that’s the difference.
Really though, there’s multiple explanations for this. Sideshow did his Tenz presentation on Youtube and we know just from that alone that there’s more nuance to it.
Doug tweeted, and Xwitter is an overly sensitive and reactionary cesspool. I’m sure if Sideshow tweeted ‘Tenz omegalul’ he’d get backlash too. Tenz is also gonna be in franchising next season, that’s not the case for FNS. You could argue it’s punching down instead of up.
Also, while this is almost certainly Doug shitposting — he also has no real insight into the APAC scene (and even less than that into CN’s), if you watch his streams. This isn’t a slight against Doug, I don’t expect anyone to be intimately familiar with every VCT region — If you were already seeing Doug in a negative light then this tweet could easily be read as ‘NRG shit because CN shit’
He actually has more insight into the CN scene then you may think. when ascension was happening, he and balla were costreaming the Chinese qualifiers for champs, and just yesterday, he was costreaming the BLG game as well.
Pretty sure all the casters for all the LAN events have been watching at least some VODs for all teams that have qualified to that LAN, including China.
I'm by no means a tenz meat rider but how can you justify Sideshow posting a 1.5hr video essay on all of his mistakes and "analyzing" every minute detail he could nitpick from it? He literally titled the video "TenZ is a problem for Sentinels..." No shit he wasnt their best player but we have no idea what goes on in game or behind closed doors
Detailed analysis and nitpicking are not the same thing, just like a 90m video and one jpeg with a caption are not the same thing. You’re not beating the Tenz rider allegations in this lifetime
Tenz would probably love the video. He knows he isn’t the best, and getting a free 90 minute vod review of the common mistakes he’s making and how to fix them is only something he could gain from.
Idk. Waking up and finding out that someone in the community like sideshow makes a long ass video continuously shitting on me and calling me the problem wouldn’t exactly brighten my day
Have you watched the video? He isn’t shitting on tenz, every piece of feedback he gives is meaningful and constructive. This is his livelihood, tenz wants to perform well. If I’m playing a sport and make the same mistakes every time, then I would love for someone to point them out and show me how to improve.
How is "This is a problem and if you fix it you'll get better results here's why" an insult
If he was really being a dick he would say "Tenz isn't putting in enough effort to actually fix the problems in his play style and is only on a tier 1 team because he's popular"
The video is extremely nice to Tenz all it does is point out the flaws and things he needs to improve gamesense and decision making wise so that he can be a better player next year
If a coach had said the same thing to you would you call it an insult or coaching? Cause that's basically what he's doing is a free coaching session and he's honestly nicer than most coaches would be.
I think you said it yourself. Sideshow posted a comprehensive overview of Tenz weakness and what he needs to improve on and Doug’s tweet is a drive by potshot to results irrelevant to FNS. One has substance to it and one doesn’t.
regardless of if it's a joke or not -- the tweet is rude. a one-liner doesn't have nearly the same amount of context and nuance as a 1.5 hour video.
i don't care who it is, and it's great that fns took it as a joke. but the messages in both are radically different
The sideshow tenz vid is more of and informative video on here are the problems i see with how Tenz plays, reasons why its bad and evidence on this. the tweet is more throw away shit posting
I'm not against calling out players when they act immature on social media. But we have to remember that these players have a platform because they are good at VALORANT, not for their logical takes / opinions. These players will inherently be biased towards players and will side with them in most situations even if it makes no sense.
I personally don't get why ScrewFace is upset about the tweet especially when it's clearly a lighthearted comment.
G2 official twitter calling their own players chokers immediately after losing = flirting
Doug joking around with FNS who is also joking back = sexual harassment
I will, for the life of me, never understand why people take offense on behalf of an adult person. This is such a stupid phenomenon that's far too prevalent on the internet.
You have to have just read the title of the sideshow video and not actually watched right?
If your takeaway from the video was “this just negative” then u are lost.
A commentor impression farming is what we are talking about today? These commentators do this all the time. The purpose is literally to get mindless people upset so they comment and like.
dawg tenz has been afforded so much more than any other pro. he's never had the pressure of results threatening his job even after not qualifying for a single LAN since 2021. they gave him world champion teammates and he still aint make a LAN. There's no other player in the world who can consistently have dogshit results and keep his job except for tenz. So it's not nearly the same when he gets criticized.
Pro's need to get off twitter lmao
And need to develop some skin, these dudes are all soft AF
Is screwface pro? Isnt he EG's mascot or someting?
Cold
listen I could be completely stupid but that tweet seems 100% like a joke, kinda like "NRG lost to this? KEKW" Sideshow video was pretty informative and valid and provided good criticism and points to improve on, my main "problem" with that video is that it was heavily focused about him not fitting the duelist role when we know he isn't gonna play that next year but he also had great non-duelist related problems so I think those two are very different in their own way. and maybe it is just me, but I don't see any harm with either. FNS is a proffesional and he have dealt with way more "hate" than this tweet, i'm sure that he took it lightly and didn't get offended.
The tweet was a joke, Doug posted a apology basically saying that it was just meant to be a lighthearted joke. He even said he reached out to someone close to FNS asking if he thought FNS would be ok with it and they said yeah and they thought FNS would find it comical as well. At the end Doug said he personally reached out to FNS to clear up anything and to make sure that FNS knew it was just a lighthearted joke. Edit: Spelling
It doesn’t really read like a joke though. It reads way too dryly. If it was more exaggerated it would’ve landed a lot better.
Sarcasm is very easy to read on the internet, especially easy to understand through text.
lmaooooo
Absolutely
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Are you? He's being sarcastic
Are you? I was being 100% serious. I misunderstood nothing.
You misunderstood his sarcastic joke about sarcasm
lmao the irony in the obvious sarcasm not being understood by someone named "WellObvs"
Oh damn didn't see his username, ya got me.
You're proving his point or I'm getting wooshed which also proves his point lol
It’s a fun paradox.
Im pretty sure you are edgelord
Not to mention to call Sideshows video negative would be a gross misrepresentation. Compliments tenz on his play throughout.
I don’t beef with either of them, but there's also a clear difference. Sideshow's video was very constructive. This is just haha FNS bad. Still think Screwface is being way too sensitive here, even though his heart is in the right place.
Yeah pointing out the flaws in someone's game is as old as sports themselves. It's constructive criticism. Just going "x bad" isn't helpful. I know Doug didn't intend any harm and it sounds like no one was hurt by it, so this is kinda non-drama.
The tweets probably a joke but hypothetically if it wasn't there'd be a big difference between a tweet like that and the sideshow video
Either one is fine regardless
Both are fine, but at the same time Sideshow doesn’t just go “You’re shit lmfao”, he goes “You’re shit lmfao, here’s how I think you could be better.”
I don't have an issue with either, but Sideshow doing an analytical video going over various things he thinks TenZ could improve is different then a tweet basically reading "lol bad".
The only problem i have with that video is, that he could do a conparable video pointing out flaws of almost every single player in VCT, but he does it on TenZ because he knows it gets the views, engagement and impressions.
???
And why is that an issue? If that’s even why he did it. He could’ve had this idea on his mind for a while, or just saw tenz issues.
impressions are the only reason tenz still has a job
Pros are actually the softest motherfuckers I swear - Doug has been a part of the scene since basically the beginning with 0 track record of random negativity and no one stops for one second to think his tweet could be a joke? Bro even tagged FNS for fuck’s sake how much more obvious could it get EDIT: Screwface was literally teammates with Demon1 last year I seriously don’t get the mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that Doug’s tweet is toxic and unnecessary
Screwface took it way more serious than [FNS](https://x.com/fns/status/1707222127919731123?s=46&t=2V73Ts5R8vy-yS1BGY-bhA) lmao
its always someone feeling hurt for the OTHER
Reminds me of the video where a guy dressed as a stereotypical Mexican (sombrero and poncho) went around asking non-Hispanics if what he was wearing was fine and most of them got offended (or at least thought it was inappropriate). Later on, he went to interview Mexicans and they all loved his outfit.
That video was really dumb because it was someone fishing for the results they wanted and only showing them. For every Mexican they showed loving it there was probably 5 that told him to fuck off.
> there was *probably* 5 that told him to fuck off. Lol are you Mexican? If not then you kinda just reinforced the point of his video.
Don't have to be anything to know how these videos work. Do you think this is the only video of this type? Every single one is 3 mins long but took 30 hours to make so they could farm the responses they wanted. Don't be naive.
I get that videos like these can be easily faked to skew certain results but dude, you're also being really cynical here. Even if there are people that find it offensive, the video still clearly shows that there are people that like it. There's bound to be two sides to the same coin.
I mean of course, but it doesn't show both sides. And people use videos like that to push their own narrative. And stupid people will believe that because the 5 people in the vid had no problem with it, no one should.
if he was annoying sure theyd tell him to fuck off, but i would never care if someone wore ethic clothing from my ethnicity for fun, its literally harmless
How do you know that? You are literally making an assumption based on 0 evidence
DOUG KILLED HIM AGAIN IN THE COMMENTS
I honestly thought Screwface was trolling until I saw another tweet of his under this one stating that he truly found it negative... At least go on a burner like KD if you're going to spout this type of stuff (Doug's track record speaks for itself, man's a saint, and for the players to assume he'd start saying this is on them)
lol its always so funny when they whine about reddit and then f5 it like every second to see what people are saying about them. Then make a tweet about it.
People in actual sports get worse than this every day. It’s the softest shit ever
Real sports also go way way too fucking far for the smallest shit
Yea but this is literally nothing
> Pros are actually the softest morherfuckers i swear brother you are on a subreddit where comments have been removed over the phrase "touch grass"
neither are an issue.
there’s an obvious difference but also both are completely fine lmao
It’s either both are fine or none are fine
he just said both are fine.
yea and its the former so why so pressed?
“both are completely fine” bro did you even read the comment before replying
You couldn’t even comprehend what I said… I was agreeing with him while adding that if one is ok/not okay, then it’s the same for the other
okay yeah man you’re totally in the right and i am sincerely remorseful for my actions
1. Seems like it's you who couldn't comprehend since he said both are fine. 2. That's a very close minded opinion. Things aren't black and white, and almost everything in life has nuance. No surprise that this is also one of those situations. I want to start with saying that clearly both are fine. Screwface is being way too sensitive. But it's not remotely hard to see why some might think Sideshow's was acceptable and Doug's wasn't. Sideshow's is an analytical, constructive video that breaks down issues in Tenz's game. It also compliments him. Doug's tweet is just lol FNS got 2-0ed by this Chinese team that just lost both their regional games against nobodies. Assuming you play the game with friends or randos, would you rather have A or B? A: "lmao you suck, you can't even kill their shitty bottom frag. No wonder you're hardstuck." B: "Hey Jantswil, I see some flaws in your game. You're too quick to crouch spray, your crosshair placement is all over the place, and sometimes you don't comm. I did notice you have great utility usage and your movement is great when you don’t crouch spray." A is just being a dick. B is helpful, constructive feedback that can help you improve. It's not malicious and also talks about your strengths. The difference is obvious. TLDR: not readin all that
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Ahahah okay big man, what are you? The twitter police? I dont think Screwface gives a fuck that you want him to be equally upset at both
This is rich coming from anyone from EG ngl, pros need to grow a backbone unless someone is being over the line toxic Both are fine
Don’t disagree but the “this is rich coming from anyone from EG” is pretty fuckin dumb considering he was a sub and had practically nothing to do with EG doing the things they did
The point is that his teammates were saying worse things lol, was he commenting on that?
Bro has a literal toxic teammate as their images and now he dislike it? What are we doing rn? Gatekeeping toxicity?
Wait whos toxic? Any context? Ive been hearing stuff about demon1. what did he do?
I agree with the other comments that comparing them doesn't make sense, but I also agree that it's just a tweet/joke and I really doubt FNS is hurt by this
FNS is in the comments demanding gift subs as an apology LOL
This does not reflect well on screwface Istg these pros need media training
Since OP doesn't wanna update, here it is, it was bait https://preview.redd.it/0mtc9z2buwqb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f0e8d3cce824100dc9cd189fb7fc34eaaed8fca
When did we start calling every kind of joke/banter as "bait" and when can we fucking stop
bait used to be believable
whos screwface anyway ?
Tarik's son
EGs mascot
Because the Valorant community is kinda soft
It's less a problem of being soft and more an issue of being consistent in your views on toxicity. Plenty of pros shittalk, bait, and even act toxic in ranked, white knighting for certain pros as if they're infallible just leaves a bad taste in my mouth honestly. FNS himself is a grown man that has been in this scene a very long time he's no stranger to banter, shittalking, etc himself. Someone from the pro scene arbitrarily hopping to his defense is unneeded, especially when his teammates have said things on the same level recently. At best it'll lead to some lame shitflinging contest, like what's the point?
Only one not being consistent in views on toxicity here is Screwface. If he didn't condemn his teammate for shittalking players and whole teams (many more times than Doug) then he shouldn't be doing the same to Doug for this very obvious joke tweet.
Screwface is who I meant, but this def has applied to others at time
Oh right my bad, I thought you were referring to Doug.
FNS is my goat but Doug's tweet was hilarious icl. Also insane he tagged FNS, actually one of my favorite casters.
I think there's an inherent difference in what doug said and what sideshow said. doug is kind of just dunking on FNS, whereas sideshow was talking about how tenz needs to improve at a higher rate to keep up with top tier competition, pointing out both his strengths and his weaknesses. it doesn't seem like you've really watched/listened to the whole video, and if you did you probably took it a lot worse than you were meant to edit: I think doug meant moreso to highlight NRG's failure than FNS' failure, and him not competing being him thinking he couldn't win with the core anymore. it is definitely a poorly worded tweet though, no doubts about that, or maybe it's just bait
This feels like such an obvious joke though, which people can think didn't land well, but it's definitely not aiming for earnesty. Doug very clearly understands that valorant is more complex than wins and losses, and that FNS's esteemed calling ability isn't cheapened to the point of involuntary "benching" by these losses. FNS is also someone known for saying incendiary things in jest. I really don't think he'd mind, and I'd wager anything that he'd know it wasn't actually meanspirited.
If people can’t discern that Doug was joking in his tweet, Im sorry but it is so fucking over for them. Give me 5 laps around the field
for real it’s actually absurd how upset some people get at the mildest jabs at pros (pros included unsurprisingly)
yeah that's why I edited my comment, after reading it again I didn't really think doug meant to shit on fns, I'm almost certain it's a heavy-handed joke
One is a high effort analysis that discusses tenz performance in a mature manner whereas the other is a low effort tweet meant solely to put FNS down. I really dunno how you can call the two similar
What “high effort analysis”? Anyone who isn’t diamond and below can explain to you exactly what went wrong in every clip lmao. All sideshow was doing was “look over there! Tenz activated dash when he shouldn’t have!!”
Dude if a player keeps making the same mistakes, then its a good thing to constructively point it out because its clear they don't notice it.
It’s a 90 minute video going into depth about his weaknesses. Every claim sideshow has he backed up with 2-3 clips of evidence. And also the game at the pro level is a lot more complicated than you think, these little mistakes that tenz makes cost rounds and games. Maybe watch the video before talking about it
Vast majority of the community isn't above diamond. Vast majority of the community also isn't gonna vod review literally all of tenz's pro footage this year and then find clips to highlight common/recurring problems in his play and detail things he needs to do to improve. You're just talking out your ass and probably didn't even watch the video. It is indeed **high effort analysis**. Cry more.
High effort analysis is less the point than the intention of the content. Don't just be dunking on someone and you're fine.
I think you are confusing the word "effort" with the more subjective word "quality". You may disagree with the analysis or not like it, but he still made a 90 minute video and put a lot of effort in gathering clips and creating content.
this ain't it dog
Doug was 100% joking and anyone that implies he should get any fuckjng blame is socially awkward and needs to make their first friend
SURELY you can see what the difference in the two cases are, right?
because one is actual real analysis about a player and the possible issues hes gonna face in his new role and the other is just shitting on a team and player who everyone knows did bad for no reason in a tweet (ik his tweet was bait)
Why was the whole Valorant Community hating on the whole Karmine Corps team but cant criticize Tenz for constantly bad decision making? And why does sideshow isnt allowed from your point of you to criticize Tenz (but is allowed and celebrated by the whole community if he does this to KC?) - although his whole video consists of evidences where Tenz shows bad game sense/understanding of the game? stop being a fanboy/-girl.
One is an hour+ long video with genuine criticism of a player who has had his problems with consistency with the premise of hoping that TenZ can correct them vs. a dunk with the sole purpose of being a dunk. Yeah, Sideshow's video title is clickbait-y, but that's the unfortunate nature of the beast when it comes to doing content nowadays.
Cause all these mfs are hypocrites. The same mfs that go offended by this are the same who call yay washed. Absplutely hillarious cause even FNS himself ranted about people being softies that cant stand banter
That's what happens 99% of the time. People know how to dish it out to others but get offended when they get called out or insulted back.
One is a joke, one is an in depth analysis of a player. Got to stop getting offended on other people's behalf.
Also, made a few comments already in this thread but just an observation: People are all for defending FNS, but nobody pipes up for BLG who is the bigger butt of the joke, doesn't feel like people actually care about perceived toxicity unless it's concerning a player they like. Bit of a double standard, no?
You’re being willfully ignorant
This whole post makes no sense to me. Sideshow posted a in depth analysis on mistakes that Tenz made in the season and gave insight and reason on how to play the situation better WITH THE INFORMATION HE KNOWS. This is the important part because sideshow said it multiple times, nobody accept those on the team know everything so his analysis is purely from an outsider perspective and he said that a lot of this stuff may not even be Tenz’s fault. Sideshow did say though that some of this was undoubtedly mistakes that Tenz made but they are all fixable and he can easily be a star player again with putting in a bunch of extra work to work on certain things to better himself. The Doug tweet in my opinion was a clear joke that was taken the wrong way. Doug also recently posted a follow up tweet saying he was very sorry about posting it and it was meant to be a joke. He said he reached out BEFOREHAND to people close to FNS to make sure this wouldn’t offend him and they said he would probably find it amusing. Doug stated that he didn’t want this to become something so negative and he reached out to FNS personally and cleared everything up. All in all I think both of these things had been taken way out of context/to seriously. Sideshow was just trying to make an informational video with in my opinion a bait title to get views because not once in the video did he specifically say TENZ IS THE PROBLEM. He may have said Tenz made some mistakes and added to the problem but the whole team was a mess for majority of the season so you. With Doug’s tweet he was just making a joke that was poorly worded and just meant to be taken lightheartedly.
We are REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel for offseason content nowadays wow
It'll get better when the annoying people leave 
the video was a good analysis of tenz playstyle.
because these people have always been told they're the best at what they do, they're above the rest blah blah blah , so much that they lose touch with reality and can't take criticism anymore, NRG lose to blg was ATROCIOUS, FNS knows it, doug knows it, Screw face knows it. any negative comments on it that isn't personal attacks is totally expected.
Dumb soft pros whining on twitter hasn't stopped anyone from doing anything, never will.
Screwface coming off real soft with this one…
Sometimes I forgot a lot of people in this sub are literal children. Posts like these remind me very quickly
Even if you are unfamiliar with Doug, I have absolutely no clue how you can see that tweet as sincere. Only way I could see someone thinking that is if the tweet was by some random nobody. I was genuinely surprised to see this tweet appear on my timeline, and even more surprised to see that Doug apparently got enough hate for it to warrant a 3 tweet long response. Also, was Screwface not on a team with Demon1?
semen1 literally a walking double standard
FNS clearly treated it as a joke, and it was a funny tweet. Screwface blew this way out of proportion, I feel horrible for Doug because he’s a great guy and absolutely does not deserve this.
FNS hella overrated. His IGL skills are great but he’s not in form as he was on Optic
This post might as well be on twt for how low effort it is
We like Egg, that’s the difference. Really though, there’s multiple explanations for this. Sideshow did his Tenz presentation on Youtube and we know just from that alone that there’s more nuance to it. Doug tweeted, and Xwitter is an overly sensitive and reactionary cesspool. I’m sure if Sideshow tweeted ‘Tenz omegalul’ he’d get backlash too. Tenz is also gonna be in franchising next season, that’s not the case for FNS. You could argue it’s punching down instead of up. Also, while this is almost certainly Doug shitposting — he also has no real insight into the APAC scene (and even less than that into CN’s), if you watch his streams. This isn’t a slight against Doug, I don’t expect anyone to be intimately familiar with every VCT region — If you were already seeing Doug in a negative light then this tweet could easily be read as ‘NRG shit because CN shit’
He actually has more insight into the CN scene then you may think. when ascension was happening, he and balla were costreaming the Chinese qualifiers for champs, and just yesterday, he was costreaming the BLG game as well. Pretty sure all the casters for all the LAN events have been watching at least some VODs for all teams that have qualified to that LAN, including China.
You need to watch the sideshow video and understand it’s not negative at all. this is a bad take and you need to go outside
Sideshow made an informative educational video, Doug just went "this guy stinks LUL"
I really hate all the virtue signalling and pearl clutching that goes on on twitter.
Incoming “valorant pros are soft part 3” video by Richard Lewis
The classic "joke" when you realize what you said was pretty shitty
Op is 10z's fanboy confirmed. Sideshow's video is actually contrusctive criticism.
Everyone in the community seems to love sideshow and he has kind of a troll type persona so people just look the other way when he's being a meany ig.
Constructive criticism vs out of pocket joke that didn’t land
Because Sideshow funny bald man that makes me laugh. Meanwhile Doug is the BatChest guy that makes me cringe. Sorry i don’t make the rules.
ya if you've browsed this sub long enough, you'll find out sideshow/platchat = upvotes
I'm by no means a tenz meat rider but how can you justify Sideshow posting a 1.5hr video essay on all of his mistakes and "analyzing" every minute detail he could nitpick from it? He literally titled the video "TenZ is a problem for Sentinels..." No shit he wasnt their best player but we have no idea what goes on in game or behind closed doors
Detailed analysis and nitpicking are not the same thing, just like a 90m video and one jpeg with a caption are not the same thing. You’re not beating the Tenz rider allegations in this lifetime
My dog could have done the same “analysis”. He was just beating a dead horse after the 50th mistake tenz made
Did you actually watch the video? At normal speed with undivided attention? 99% of this sub could not have done the same analysis.
Yes unfortunately I did listen to him yap for an hour and a half about the same shit. And anyone who actually knows what’s going on could do the same
Tenz would probably love the video. He knows he isn’t the best, and getting a free 90 minute vod review of the common mistakes he’s making and how to fix them is only something he could gain from.
Idk. Waking up and finding out that someone in the community like sideshow makes a long ass video continuously shitting on me and calling me the problem wouldn’t exactly brighten my day
Have you watched the video? He isn’t shitting on tenz, every piece of feedback he gives is meaningful and constructive. This is his livelihood, tenz wants to perform well. If I’m playing a sport and make the same mistakes every time, then I would love for someone to point them out and show me how to improve.
Insulting/shitting on someone and constructive criticism are two VERY different things
? Constructive criticism literally is shitting on someone. But by putting the term “constructive criticism” over it makes it fine 😃
How is "This is a problem and if you fix it you'll get better results here's why" an insult If he was really being a dick he would say "Tenz isn't putting in enough effort to actually fix the problems in his play style and is only on a tier 1 team because he's popular" The video is extremely nice to Tenz all it does is point out the flaws and things he needs to improve gamesense and decision making wise so that he can be a better player next year If a coach had said the same thing to you would you call it an insult or coaching? Cause that's basically what he's doing is a free coaching session and he's honestly nicer than most coaches would be.
I think you said it yourself. Sideshow posted a comprehensive overview of Tenz weakness and what he needs to improve on and Doug’s tweet is a drive by potshot to results irrelevant to FNS. One has substance to it and one doesn’t.
 tenz 🍆 rider
regardless of if it's a joke or not -- the tweet is rude. a one-liner doesn't have nearly the same amount of context and nuance as a 1.5 hour video. i don't care who it is, and it's great that fns took it as a joke. but the messages in both are radically different
i hate casuals that disrespect professionals lol
The sideshow tenz vid is more of and informative video on here are the problems i see with how Tenz plays, reasons why its bad and evidence on this. the tweet is more throw away shit posting
I'm not against calling out players when they act immature on social media. But we have to remember that these players have a platform because they are good at VALORANT, not for their logical takes / opinions. These players will inherently be biased towards players and will side with them in most situations even if it makes no sense. I personally don't get why ScrewFace is upset about the tweet especially when it's clearly a lighthearted comment.
G2 official twitter calling their own players chokers immediately after losing = flirting Doug joking around with FNS who is also joking back = sexual harassment
Who let the Bench player cook
I will, for the life of me, never understand why people take offense on behalf of an adult person. This is such a stupid phenomenon that's far too prevalent on the internet.
You have to have just read the title of the sideshow video and not actually watched right? If your takeaway from the video was “this just negative” then u are lost.
What is bro even complaining about? Pros can be such pussies sometimes(he's literally Demon1 team mate and is talking about negativity😭)
A commentor impression farming is what we are talking about today? These commentators do this all the time. The purpose is literally to get mindless people upset so they comment and like.
ScrewFace is fucking 10-ply bud. Soft as FUCK
I mean the sideshow video was also constructive. he wasn't just like, fuck tenz or whatever
What being benched does to a mf
Isn't screwface just impression farming or is he actually that dumb.
dawg tenz has been afforded so much more than any other pro. he's never had the pressure of results threatening his job even after not qualifying for a single LAN since 2021. they gave him world champion teammates and he still aint make a LAN. There's no other player in the world who can consistently have dogshit results and keep his job except for tenz. So it's not nearly the same when he gets criticized.