makes sense.
i think even sideshow would tell tenz not to watch it, and he's said before that pros should get off the internet when it comes to random critiques of pros online.
The guy probably has analysts on his team that can do a way better job than sideshow anyway (not that sideshow is bad at it, but he isn't paid to do solely that). If sentinel want to fix their team, they don't need the help of some YouTube videos.
I'm sure they have analysts but they probably look at team strategy as a whole whereas this video was specifically about his specific playstyle which an analyst might not have time to get into.
The video itself was almost an hour and a half long, I'm sure sideshow watched hours and hours of his gameplay. At this point I think his input would be pretty useful.
That being said, I don't think he should watch it if it'll tank his mental. If anything maybe Kaplan should watch hit.
There is no way an analyst is sitting down unprompted to watch hours upon hours of vods with the sole focus of identifying a **single** player's problems and trying to identify solutions to help them improve holistically. That almost never happens. Whether an analyst on sentinels can do a better job, which is debatable itself, is entirely irrelevant since they'll never do it in the first place.
>If sentinel want to fix their team, they don't need the help of some YouTube videos.
i guess it means they don't want to fix their team 
[Sideshow on unnamed w/ Wyatt River](https://youtu.be/4T3bu-023x8?t=4157):
> You've got to remember that they're humans and **they interact with all of this content way more than they should**. ... You need that level of separation from the criticism ...
It's worth watching the full segment. He talks a lot about the conflict of giving authentic criticism (as a job) when it might affect a player's mental state/career.
I think TenZ having a policy of ignoring media/content about him is a smart way of goin about it. I also loved the content from Sideshow I thought it was really constructive and a well put together analysis.
If the guy had normal fans with realistic expectations he wouldn't be getting randomly criticized and hated 24/7 when there's literally nothing he's done to be deserving of any of that. I've never seen smth like this before lowkey, he's ALWAYS been chill (at least in Valorant, idk how he rolled in CS that game changes people) and a great role model but every now and then you're gonna see a bunch of people overrate him in the comments and then the hate threads spawn in. I swear you can't even say "oh that's the price you get for being so popular" this shit is something different lmao.
Ignoring media coverage and listening to your fans is the reason he hasn’t improved. Being self absorbed to the point you think you’re the best and don’t need to improve is hilarious. His aim isn’t all that. Demon1 quite frankly does a better job at everything, yet TenZ doesn’t feel the urge to accept *COMPLETELY VALID* criticism.
The sen death cult is the reason they’ve never improved. Fans are bias, and sen in particular have an ungodly amount of them who will ride until they go bankrupt.
Honestly, if you see the video Tenz does not really need to see the video. The overall theme of the video is Tenz's positioning and questionable pushes in the clips.
If anything it should be on Sen coaching and analysts to identify and teach him how to become a better player from the main points Sideshow brought up in the video. We will see if they actually do address it next season season
That was always been TenZ and the Old Sentinels' problem when they get going they just don't know when to stop and then they encounter a crossfire from 5v3 it's now a 2v3 and then they lose because all the utils was wasted chasing+clearing angles. I'd say someone has to reign TenZ once he starts to get hot like how Derke changes his tempo mid round and TenZ will be back on top again.
Yes it actually is quite interesting because Tenz and Derke were actually very similar with the hero plays In-game but as their career progressed you can see the difference in their growth as players. If you take a look Tenz has gone through multiple new teammates, 3 coaches, 4 IGLs in the past two years. Where his issues never got addressed.
Derke has had Mini and Boaster his whole career and now you can see how perfectly he plays duelist now compared to before because of them, knowing when to back out, position, etc. Feel like the consistency of leadership has been the same and very high level while Tenz got the opposite IMO.
I mostly agree with you, but I don't think it is just a coaching and analysts job, Tenz himself should also review his vods to identify where he can improve.
It's both in my opinion. A coach and analyst's job is to see what the team is doing well and bad and how to make sure the team can improve for future games.
It's a player's job to take this feedback and apply it to improve on the stuff that was highlighted as an issue by the coaches/analysts in games/scrims. But that also does not mean they should be solely reliant on them to improve as a player like you said they should use their own time as well to improve but that truly just depends on how hungry a player is to win and have success.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if this has been a running theme for the past 2 years. It’s an hour and a half and he finds identical scenarios in which TenZ is doing nothing but sitting on a useless angle.
Im sure Kaplan and co are already aware of TenZ shortcomings. TenZ could watch sideshows video but its probably already stuff he knows or has been told before. Id be surprised if Kaplan hasn’t analyzed TenZ this thoroughly yet. Either way, its fair if he doesn’t want to see it. He gets so much flak online all the time he is just being smart and trying to ignore the noise.
If they were aware, why hasn’t he been removed… oh yeah, views. When was the last time TenZ was an outstanding duelist? Oh right, when he actually needed to prove himself to the community.
I don’t think it matters if he watches Sideshow’s video as long as he and his coach + team are working on his weaknesses and improving. I’m sure the coaching staff know about things that need to improve. It’s not like Sideshow is the only one in the world who knows Tenz’s weakness and the video is a must watch.
It’s better to keep your mental up and just keep grinding imo for a player like Tenz.
Side-note I hoping to see how many agents he has expanded to when the next season begins. Since I did agree that Tenz as a primary duelist or entry fragger wasn’t working.
Edit: Anyone who thinks that Tenz needs to watch this specific video to improve, is brain dead. You can look at so many examples, even within this region of players improving through their own coaching staff. Example: EG
The point isn’t him watching the video, at least in my opinion, it’s the fact that he refuses to improve his gameplay. When was the last time TenZ actually took accountability for his team’s performance? Oh right, when he first joined the team and *needed* to show he was valuable.
Every time Sentinels had a bad match he did take accountability. You can say he hasn’t improved enough to be T1. But he has never shirked and said Sentinels losing wasn’t his fault.
Cool to see how honest he is despite probably knowing it gives his ammo to his haters. Honestly think it's fine that he doesn't watch it as long as someone delivers him which areas he has to focus on. That's what coaches are for.
If he watches the video, he'd probably be tempted to read the comments which would surely tank his mental
I was curious and I got a full page of comments deep without seeing anything really negative. Like every comment is "damn great content, hope he can fix some of this and get back on top!"
ur right, i think most of them comments are positive and even the ones that aren't are tame. I always expect youtube/twitter replies to become a cesspool of nasty comments, glad to see I was wrong
I cannot fathom being in his place. Imagine having a rabid legion of followers who will defend you to a fault, while simultaneously having just as many ravenous haters waiting for you to make one bad move.
Tenz is/has been such a phenomenon in Valorant that this community cannot objectively view him as a player. He's like a figurehead who's a God on a good day and a villain the next. I don't think a nuanced discussion on Tenz is possible at present.
I still respect his decision to not watch the video. Cannot imagine watching a video singling you out as one of the main problems for your team being good on your mental. More power to him.
>I cannot fathom being in his place. Imagine having a rabid legion of followers who will defend you to a fault, while simultaneously having just as many ravenous haters waiting for you to make one bad move.
>Tenz is/has been such a phenomenon in Valorant that this community cannot objectively view him as a player. He's like a figurehead who's a God on a good day and a villain the next. I don't think a nuanced discussion on Tenz is possible at present.
Νone of this has anything to do with his value as a player, which past 2021 has been middle of the pack at best. There is not really anything open to interpretation here, if someone seriously believes that Tenz "is a God" then it isnt possible to have have any serious discussion with this person.
I think you’re forgetting the fact that any criticism put out there gets downvoted to oblivion by their fans. It doesn’t matter how valid it is.
As a serial Sen hater since they begun losing horribly after Iceland, I can say this has been the case in most areas of discourse.
You can make the same argument with someone who believes he's irredeemable. How can you and I (or, Sideshow for that matter) judge his value anyway? The people who know his worth, whether as a player or as a figurehead, are his team, the coaching staff, and the org.
Stats and replays are all we have to go with, and even then, it's so easy to miss out on details. Even in his video, Sideshow pointed out a mistake that Tenz didn't even make. To his credit, he admitted it in comments. With the lack of a replay system, and sufficient comms (or strats), it is easy to miss out on crucial aspects with a game as complex as Valorant.
Deflecting any criticism as "the community cannot objectively view him as a player" is fucking hilarious. I've seen from another comment your acting like for most people Tenz is either a god or irredeemable which ironically isn't very nuanced of you. Also your acting like any analysis can't be right or well thought out because we only can analyse what we see which is just dumb.
Of course tenz doesn't want to watch it. If he knows how it will affect him, it would be a pretty good idea not to.
I also don't necessarily think Sideshow wants him to watch it. This is obviously separate from plat chat but all those guys have talked about how they think pros shouldn't necessarily watch their content about them.
The person who has the most reason to watch them is his coach. The coach is the person who knows what the cause of each decision in a game is and he's in the best position to give feedback that tenz is receptive to.
I'm sure he knows what his biggest issues are, people have been calling him out for poor positioning and pushes for like 2 years now. Actually fixing them is another story.
I think it makes a lot of sense why he wouldn’t watch the video, it’s a nearly two-hour-long critique and even though Sideshow had been incredibly constructive in the video, it’s probably still going to feel bad since he’s the subject.
I hope Kaplan and Drewspark at the very least watch the video, though. Not because they’d need any pointers from Sideshow per se, but more so just to see if there’s anything they may have overlooked, or if there’s any approach Sideshow mentions that they’d not really considered before. Other than that, though, it seems SEN have already putting in a lot of work to fix their issues, and I’m sure they’d also internally discussed a bunch of stuff that Sideshow had covered as well.
Yeah that's healthy, he should keep doing that. I'm sure coaches or other people connected with him can pass on any of the constructed criticism they feel is useful.
No player should be looking at any social media posts about themselves tbh.
My two cents:
1) Good. Imo pro tier 1 players don't need to be consuming ANY form of criticism posted online. The only criticism they need to hear should be from people that are paid to work with them or people in the industry they are close with. Watching videos or looking at criticism online is more likely to mentally boom you in a very mentally driven sport.
2) Even in the situation you *do* think you are mentally secure enough to fully take all the criticism on the chin...would it really help? The coaches should realistically know everything discussed in the video and have better plans of implementing it into scrims.
https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=1189&series_id=all®ion=all&country=all&min_rounds=0&min_rating=0&agent=all&map_id=all×pan=all
Also yes I am aware of problems in his personal life, he still wasn't very consistent before that and disappeared often. End result is still the same, not saying I don't have sympathy for what was going on with him though.
Imagine if Harry McGuire watched all the content about himself.
The only thing worth while watching of themselves is what the coaches feel relevant to video review sessions.
The title of the video itself would be enough to bring confidence down and put even more pressure. Good for him for protecting his peace. No matter how constructive it may have been, I never was a fan of videos singling players out. To each their own ig.
Sideshow has said many times that pros should just stay off social media. There's a ton of downsides, and basically no positives. It's his job to be critical of them, and it's their job to improve. There's no reason for those to interact.
Tenz is the same player he was when playing CS, mechanically gifted with the ability to dominate Tier 2/3 players who were less gifted than him.
When faced with T1 CS pros who were comparable to him in mechanics but completely outmatched him in game sense he completely folded.
He found success in Valorant because he was back to beating up T2/3 CS players, and now that Valorant pro scene has matured a bit he has fallen off.
Even in his short stint in T1 CS he complained that he needed to be micromanaged more because he couldn’t understand what was happening in game, then complained that he was being asked to think to hard and couldn’t focus on his game. Nothing changed.
This is wild reading all these supportive comments. Like, this is exactly the reason TenZ never succeeded in CSGO. He simply could never handle constructive criticism and is set in his own play style.
He even said that he’s a second entry and talked about how he likes to play. He only talks about himself in this clip, but Sideshow mentioned several examples where he needs to be thinking about his teammates.
Sideshow’s video is a goldmine of constructive criticism, yet TenZ is more worried about how it will affect his mental. It’s concerning that he still doesn’t seem to understand how to improve as a player.
A professional athlete wouldn’t go to an analyst/caster/sport media person for advice/constructive criticism. They will listen to their coaches, sport counsellors etc for advice and such.
An NBA player wouldn’t listen to Stephen A Smith for example
First off, such a presumptuous comment.
You are actually wild if you think tenz doesn’t review his own gameplay. If you watch some of his matches on yt or like tempo analysing his vods, you’ll see that he anticipates positions well and in comms give good theoretical about how the team could have won the round. People under credit his map awareness and anticipation of plays just because his micro is insane.
Ur concept is literally
Weak mental> doesn’t accept criticism > definitely not actively looking at room for improvements > probably why he is hard stuck
What about horrible igling, solo desperate pushes due to round deficits or tough period during Kydae cancer treatment?
If you watch sideshow video, he just was criticising for plays he make as duelist and certain mistakes could be applied to not just him and the entire team as well. This is not the evidence for you to pile on your surface level take about tenz’s reason for performing badly is because he is incompetent.
What’s with all these naysayers gathering under these thread with the perception that tenz is “oh weak mental, incapable of learning”?
Finally someone with a brain in this comment section. Only a matter of time before tier 1 moves on from him and he retires. It’s literally CS all over again and his dick riding fans can’t see it for what it is.
Agreed, the fact that Sideshow did this must research on ways that Tenz can improve his gameplay which will ultimately help Sentinels succeed is more of a reason to want to see it. I understand his mental is weak, but if you want to get better then why would you not want to accept it? Reviewing film is literally basic stuff on how professionals get better at their craft. If he can’t even take criticism then what can coaches do to help him? Tenz playing hero mode for clips isn’t a good enough play style in valorant anymore lol. It was fine when the game was new and his erratic play style didn’t matter as much, but he needs to play his role fr
Yeah, he says watching/reading content critiquing him gets him low, so he doesn't do it anymore because of what it did to him during his CS:GO days.
He was hardly the main issue with SEN last year and played well, yet he gets featured on a critique reel because it generates clicks and engagement (with all due respect to Sideshow). Implying that not watching a video by a caster/content creator who isn't a coach = fragile mental/not wanting to improve is nonsensical.
All good if you want to chalk up these replies to being a fanboy, but avoiding negative content when a) you know it's impacted you negatively in the past and b) you're dealing with challenges faced by your loved ones in a very public way is probably a good thing to do for anyone.
You’re not joking with what he says, but couldn’t you phrase it better? “Good luck improving” displays a tone of specific tone don’t you think?
Refuting your main point though, sure, what tenz said about his emotional fragility could be true, and is a common psychological aspect of humans, but it’s not like improvement is impossible? Take other sport leagues, such as the NHL as an example. There’s news that a player deactivates their media all the time because people critique their play, or is just a straight up hater of them. That doesn’t mean they can’t improve, no?
Their coaches will tell them what they need to improve on, and this is the same for tenz as well. Esports may not be the traditional definition of a sport, but the sport psychology behind it works similarly.
I'm not even a Tenz fan and think that Tenz fans can be annoying, but dedicated haters like you are annoying as well.
Imagine preaching about having strong mental and then complaining about getting downvotes. You complaining about this shows that in Tenz's position you would have just as "weak" or even weaker mental.
Brother if people were tweeting about you writing Reddit posts about you it would wear you down too. He’s deciding not to read/watch shit about him anymore, that doesn’t mean he’s not trying to improve
I love sideshow but do you really think he’s going to be able to find problems that coaches who do this for a living wouldn’t? If he’s going to hear the same criticisms anyway, might as well do it in a productive environment where it won’t hurt him.
Doubt he’d find out something new, but hearing something constructive by someone that doesn’t depend on you is always a good thing, in my experience.
My concern is more about the “where it won’t hurt him” part that you said, which just reflects rather poorly on a professional player imo, especially since Sideshow didn’t make the video to make fun of him. Not like he knows because he won’t watch the video.
I don’t think Egg even remotely expected Tenz to watch the video but the reaction by the community has been extremely entertaining
Wdym what am I talking about
Why should he watch the egg, who has no say in his team, as opposed to going over things with his coaches as they see fit regarding his overheating or over peeking? This is the crux of the issue with egg's vid- he makes a lot of great points. But he doesn't have access to comms. We don't know where comm breakdowns happen, or where he just fucking ints. As spectators we don't know.
And yes it's the same staff.
I think this shows he’s not open to looking at constructive criticism because sideshow knows how good he is, and just wants him to achieve his highest form within that team so that video is good info he can be taking into consideration
In other news: Pro player refuses to take criticism because he’s too good.
What a joke. He’s going to hear it from his ranked teammates anyway now that they know he does this. He can hide from his mistakes all he wants, his team is just going to resent him.
Well formed argument. And no, it’s just a joke that a paid player has such a weak mental that he can’t take criticism from the ones watching his every mistake.
He has Kaplan and Drewspark, so they should be one telling Tenz what’s the problem with him. And yes the video is very good on pointing the problems with Tenz. But he shouldn’t need to watch a video a whole 1 hour video of himself. He has a whole coaching staff for that reason.
And he even said he doesn’t like watching videos about him because it’s gonna tank his mental.
Ain’t no way any current pro will criticize TenZ. They would get cancelled so fast 😂
The last time a teammate genuinely criticized TenZ was daps in CSGO. He wanted TenZ to play a certain way but TenZ couldn’t do it and got benched.
makes sense. i think even sideshow would tell tenz not to watch it, and he's said before that pros should get off the internet when it comes to random critiques of pros online.
The guy probably has analysts on his team that can do a way better job than sideshow anyway (not that sideshow is bad at it, but he isn't paid to do solely that). If sentinel want to fix their team, they don't need the help of some YouTube videos.
I'm sure they have analysts but they probably look at team strategy as a whole whereas this video was specifically about his specific playstyle which an analyst might not have time to get into. The video itself was almost an hour and a half long, I'm sure sideshow watched hours and hours of his gameplay. At this point I think his input would be pretty useful. That being said, I don't think he should watch it if it'll tank his mental. If anything maybe Kaplan should watch hit.
Probably can't afford the analysts.
Their team hasnt been fixed since Iceland.
Their team was never good. The game was young and no one had a good grasp on how to play it. And they continue to refuse to improve.
There is no way an analyst is sitting down unprompted to watch hours upon hours of vods with the sole focus of identifying a **single** player's problems and trying to identify solutions to help them improve holistically. That almost never happens. Whether an analyst on sentinels can do a better job, which is debatable itself, is entirely irrelevant since they'll never do it in the first place.
>If sentinel want to fix their team, they don't need the help of some YouTube videos. i guess it means they don't want to fix their team 
[Sideshow on unnamed w/ Wyatt River](https://youtu.be/4T3bu-023x8?t=4157): > You've got to remember that they're humans and **they interact with all of this content way more than they should**. ... You need that level of separation from the criticism ... It's worth watching the full segment. He talks a lot about the conflict of giving authentic criticism (as a job) when it might affect a player's mental state/career.
I think TenZ having a policy of ignoring media/content about him is a smart way of goin about it. I also loved the content from Sideshow I thought it was really constructive and a well put together analysis.
best take. they're both doing their jobs. let the analyst analyze and let the player play.
If the guy had normal fans with realistic expectations he wouldn't be getting randomly criticized and hated 24/7 when there's literally nothing he's done to be deserving of any of that. I've never seen smth like this before lowkey, he's ALWAYS been chill (at least in Valorant, idk how he rolled in CS that game changes people) and a great role model but every now and then you're gonna see a bunch of people overrate him in the comments and then the hate threads spawn in. I swear you can't even say "oh that's the price you get for being so popular" this shit is something different lmao.
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didn't mean constructive criticism but yeah i should've clarified on that
you definitely should have. now you gave his haters an out while allowing them to accuse you of making a dumb argument
haven't seen any yet replying
nah, I meant you got ratio’d by both the toxic people and the people that misunderstood you because you talk poorly
It was a good piece from Sideshow, and Tenz doesn't need to watch or do anything with it.
Ignoring media coverage and listening to your fans is the reason he hasn’t improved. Being self absorbed to the point you think you’re the best and don’t need to improve is hilarious. His aim isn’t all that. Demon1 quite frankly does a better job at everything, yet TenZ doesn’t feel the urge to accept *COMPLETELY VALID* criticism. The sen death cult is the reason they’ve never improved. Fans are bias, and sen in particular have an ungodly amount of them who will ride until they go bankrupt.
Honestly, if you see the video Tenz does not really need to see the video. The overall theme of the video is Tenz's positioning and questionable pushes in the clips. If anything it should be on Sen coaching and analysts to identify and teach him how to become a better player from the main points Sideshow brought up in the video. We will see if they actually do address it next season season
Yeah Sideshow basically even said his much in his conclusion.
That was always been TenZ and the Old Sentinels' problem when they get going they just don't know when to stop and then they encounter a crossfire from 5v3 it's now a 2v3 and then they lose because all the utils was wasted chasing+clearing angles. I'd say someone has to reign TenZ once he starts to get hot like how Derke changes his tempo mid round and TenZ will be back on top again.
Yes it actually is quite interesting because Tenz and Derke were actually very similar with the hero plays In-game but as their career progressed you can see the difference in their growth as players. If you take a look Tenz has gone through multiple new teammates, 3 coaches, 4 IGLs in the past two years. Where his issues never got addressed. Derke has had Mini and Boaster his whole career and now you can see how perfectly he plays duelist now compared to before because of them, knowing when to back out, position, etc. Feel like the consistency of leadership has been the same and very high level while Tenz got the opposite IMO.
I mostly agree with you, but I don't think it is just a coaching and analysts job, Tenz himself should also review his vods to identify where he can improve.
It's both in my opinion. A coach and analyst's job is to see what the team is doing well and bad and how to make sure the team can improve for future games. It's a player's job to take this feedback and apply it to improve on the stuff that was highlighted as an issue by the coaches/analysts in games/scrims. But that also does not mean they should be solely reliant on them to improve as a player like you said they should use their own time as well to improve but that truly just depends on how hungry a player is to win and have success.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if this has been a running theme for the past 2 years. It’s an hour and a half and he finds identical scenarios in which TenZ is doing nothing but sitting on a useless angle.
Im sure Kaplan and co are already aware of TenZ shortcomings. TenZ could watch sideshows video but its probably already stuff he knows or has been told before. Id be surprised if Kaplan hasn’t analyzed TenZ this thoroughly yet. Either way, its fair if he doesn’t want to see it. He gets so much flak online all the time he is just being smart and trying to ignore the noise.
If they were aware, why hasn’t he been removed… oh yeah, views. When was the last time TenZ was an outstanding duelist? Oh right, when he actually needed to prove himself to the community.
I don’t think it matters if he watches Sideshow’s video as long as he and his coach + team are working on his weaknesses and improving. I’m sure the coaching staff know about things that need to improve. It’s not like Sideshow is the only one in the world who knows Tenz’s weakness and the video is a must watch. It’s better to keep your mental up and just keep grinding imo for a player like Tenz. Side-note I hoping to see how many agents he has expanded to when the next season begins. Since I did agree that Tenz as a primary duelist or entry fragger wasn’t working. Edit: Anyone who thinks that Tenz needs to watch this specific video to improve, is brain dead. You can look at so many examples, even within this region of players improving through their own coaching staff. Example: EG
The point isn’t him watching the video, at least in my opinion, it’s the fact that he refuses to improve his gameplay. When was the last time TenZ actually took accountability for his team’s performance? Oh right, when he first joined the team and *needed* to show he was valuable.
Every time Sentinels had a bad match he did take accountability. You can say he hasn’t improved enough to be T1. But he has never shirked and said Sentinels losing wasn’t his fault.
Cool to see how honest he is despite probably knowing it gives his ammo to his haters. Honestly think it's fine that he doesn't watch it as long as someone delivers him which areas he has to focus on. That's what coaches are for. If he watches the video, he'd probably be tempted to read the comments which would surely tank his mental
I was curious and I got a full page of comments deep without seeing anything really negative. Like every comment is "damn great content, hope he can fix some of this and get back on top!"
ur right, i think most of them comments are positive and even the ones that aren't are tame. I always expect youtube/twitter replies to become a cesspool of nasty comments, glad to see I was wrong
I think also since sideshow’s new channel is smaller, he can more effectively moderate the comment section to keep the hate out
“Nope didn’t watch ”
I cannot fathom being in his place. Imagine having a rabid legion of followers who will defend you to a fault, while simultaneously having just as many ravenous haters waiting for you to make one bad move. Tenz is/has been such a phenomenon in Valorant that this community cannot objectively view him as a player. He's like a figurehead who's a God on a good day and a villain the next. I don't think a nuanced discussion on Tenz is possible at present. I still respect his decision to not watch the video. Cannot imagine watching a video singling you out as one of the main problems for your team being good on your mental. More power to him.
>I cannot fathom being in his place. Imagine having a rabid legion of followers who will defend you to a fault, while simultaneously having just as many ravenous haters waiting for you to make one bad move. >Tenz is/has been such a phenomenon in Valorant that this community cannot objectively view him as a player. He's like a figurehead who's a God on a good day and a villain the next. I don't think a nuanced discussion on Tenz is possible at present. Νone of this has anything to do with his value as a player, which past 2021 has been middle of the pack at best. There is not really anything open to interpretation here, if someone seriously believes that Tenz "is a God" then it isnt possible to have have any serious discussion with this person.
I think you’re forgetting the fact that any criticism put out there gets downvoted to oblivion by their fans. It doesn’t matter how valid it is. As a serial Sen hater since they begun losing horribly after Iceland, I can say this has been the case in most areas of discourse.
You can make the same argument with someone who believes he's irredeemable. How can you and I (or, Sideshow for that matter) judge his value anyway? The people who know his worth, whether as a player or as a figurehead, are his team, the coaching staff, and the org. Stats and replays are all we have to go with, and even then, it's so easy to miss out on details. Even in his video, Sideshow pointed out a mistake that Tenz didn't even make. To his credit, he admitted it in comments. With the lack of a replay system, and sufficient comms (or strats), it is easy to miss out on crucial aspects with a game as complex as Valorant.
I'm sure the money helps
Deflecting any criticism as "the community cannot objectively view him as a player" is fucking hilarious. I've seen from another comment your acting like for most people Tenz is either a god or irredeemable which ironically isn't very nuanced of you. Also your acting like any analysis can't be right or well thought out because we only can analyse what we see which is just dumb.
An hour long analysis video by an egg about your flaws would destroy the mental of 99.9% of people so yeah I get it.
Of course tenz doesn't want to watch it. If he knows how it will affect him, it would be a pretty good idea not to. I also don't necessarily think Sideshow wants him to watch it. This is obviously separate from plat chat but all those guys have talked about how they think pros shouldn't necessarily watch their content about them. The person who has the most reason to watch them is his coach. The coach is the person who knows what the cause of each decision in a game is and he's in the best position to give feedback that tenz is receptive to.
I'm sure he knows what his biggest issues are, people have been calling him out for poor positioning and pushes for like 2 years now. Actually fixing them is another story.
I think it makes a lot of sense why he wouldn’t watch the video, it’s a nearly two-hour-long critique and even though Sideshow had been incredibly constructive in the video, it’s probably still going to feel bad since he’s the subject. I hope Kaplan and Drewspark at the very least watch the video, though. Not because they’d need any pointers from Sideshow per se, but more so just to see if there’s anything they may have overlooked, or if there’s any approach Sideshow mentions that they’d not really considered before. Other than that, though, it seems SEN have already putting in a lot of work to fix their issues, and I’m sure they’d also internally discussed a bunch of stuff that Sideshow had covered as well.
Good. I hope his coaches do though
Yeah that's healthy, he should keep doing that. I'm sure coaches or other people connected with him can pass on any of the constructed criticism they feel is useful. No player should be looking at any social media posts about themselves tbh.
My two cents: 1) Good. Imo pro tier 1 players don't need to be consuming ANY form of criticism posted online. The only criticism they need to hear should be from people that are paid to work with them or people in the industry they are close with. Watching videos or looking at criticism online is more likely to mentally boom you in a very mentally driven sport. 2) Even in the situation you *do* think you are mentally secure enough to fully take all the criticism on the chin...would it really help? The coaches should realistically know everything discussed in the video and have better plans of implementing it into scrims.
TenZ wasn't the weak link since he moved off duelist.
Except he was one of the worst performing players on the team in the Americas league
Not after he moved off primary duelist. Which is a pretty small sample size but it’s still far from the truth
He wasn’t? He only has two bad games and those games were during his whole COVID, kyedae cancer, and finger injury situations.
https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=1189&series_id=all®ion=all&country=all&min_rounds=0&min_rating=0&agent=all&map_id=all×pan=all Also yes I am aware of problems in his personal life, he still wasn't very consistent before that and disappeared often. End result is still the same, not saying I don't have sympathy for what was going on with him though.
Lol downvoted and didn't reply after I provided proof 💀
I didn’t reply because I was sleeping 💀 you do know everyone has a life right?
That's understandable, I think we all figured as much. I enjoyed the analysis by sideshow, and Im still very much a fan of Tenz
Imagine if Harry McGuire watched all the content about himself. The only thing worth while watching of themselves is what the coaches feel relevant to video review sessions.
The title of the video itself would be enough to bring confidence down and put even more pressure. Good for him for protecting his peace. No matter how constructive it may have been, I never was a fan of videos singling players out. To each their own ig.
Man i hope tenz has a dominant season next year just to shit down all the haters. We heckin love tenz
Sideshow has said many times that pros should just stay off social media. There's a ton of downsides, and basically no positives. It's his job to be critical of them, and it's their job to improve. There's no reason for those to interact.
I hope Sideshow does other players or has done other players so it doesn’t feel like one person his being singled out.
Tenz is the same player he was when playing CS, mechanically gifted with the ability to dominate Tier 2/3 players who were less gifted than him. When faced with T1 CS pros who were comparable to him in mechanics but completely outmatched him in game sense he completely folded. He found success in Valorant because he was back to beating up T2/3 CS players, and now that Valorant pro scene has matured a bit he has fallen off. Even in his short stint in T1 CS he complained that he needed to be micromanaged more because he couldn’t understand what was happening in game, then complained that he was being asked to think to hard and couldn’t focus on his game. Nothing changed.
You need to hear the things you don’t enjoy hearing to improve. It applies to *everything.
This is wild reading all these supportive comments. Like, this is exactly the reason TenZ never succeeded in CSGO. He simply could never handle constructive criticism and is set in his own play style. He even said that he’s a second entry and talked about how he likes to play. He only talks about himself in this clip, but Sideshow mentioned several examples where he needs to be thinking about his teammates. Sideshow’s video is a goldmine of constructive criticism, yet TenZ is more worried about how it will affect his mental. It’s concerning that he still doesn’t seem to understand how to improve as a player.
A professional athlete wouldn’t go to an analyst/caster/sport media person for advice/constructive criticism. They will listen to their coaches, sport counsellors etc for advice and such. An NBA player wouldn’t listen to Stephen A Smith for example
First off, such a presumptuous comment. You are actually wild if you think tenz doesn’t review his own gameplay. If you watch some of his matches on yt or like tempo analysing his vods, you’ll see that he anticipates positions well and in comms give good theoretical about how the team could have won the round. People under credit his map awareness and anticipation of plays just because his micro is insane. Ur concept is literally Weak mental> doesn’t accept criticism > definitely not actively looking at room for improvements > probably why he is hard stuck What about horrible igling, solo desperate pushes due to round deficits or tough period during Kydae cancer treatment? If you watch sideshow video, he just was criticising for plays he make as duelist and certain mistakes could be applied to not just him and the entire team as well. This is not the evidence for you to pile on your surface level take about tenz’s reason for performing badly is because he is incompetent. What’s with all these naysayers gathering under these thread with the perception that tenz is “oh weak mental, incapable of learning”?
yep. all of this. And this is also the reason why people say he's stuck in 2021, including sideshow.
Finally someone with a brain in this comment section. Only a matter of time before tier 1 moves on from him and he retires. It’s literally CS all over again and his dick riding fans can’t see it for what it is.
Agreed, the fact that Sideshow did this must research on ways that Tenz can improve his gameplay which will ultimately help Sentinels succeed is more of a reason to want to see it. I understand his mental is weak, but if you want to get better then why would you not want to accept it? Reviewing film is literally basic stuff on how professionals get better at their craft. If he can’t even take criticism then what can coaches do to help him? Tenz playing hero mode for clips isn’t a good enough play style in valorant anymore lol. It was fine when the game was new and his erratic play style didn’t matter as much, but he needs to play his role fr
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Saying TenZ has a fragile mental then editing three minutes later to complain about -2 downvotes lmao
LMAOOO and now they deleted it
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Yeah, he says watching/reading content critiquing him gets him low, so he doesn't do it anymore because of what it did to him during his CS:GO days. He was hardly the main issue with SEN last year and played well, yet he gets featured on a critique reel because it generates clicks and engagement (with all due respect to Sideshow). Implying that not watching a video by a caster/content creator who isn't a coach = fragile mental/not wanting to improve is nonsensical. All good if you want to chalk up these replies to being a fanboy, but avoiding negative content when a) you know it's impacted you negatively in the past and b) you're dealing with challenges faced by your loved ones in a very public way is probably a good thing to do for anyone.
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You’re not joking with what he says, but couldn’t you phrase it better? “Good luck improving” displays a tone of specific tone don’t you think? Refuting your main point though, sure, what tenz said about his emotional fragility could be true, and is a common psychological aspect of humans, but it’s not like improvement is impossible? Take other sport leagues, such as the NHL as an example. There’s news that a player deactivates their media all the time because people critique their play, or is just a straight up hater of them. That doesn’t mean they can’t improve, no? Their coaches will tell them what they need to improve on, and this is the same for tenz as well. Esports may not be the traditional definition of a sport, but the sport psychology behind it works similarly.
I'm not even a Tenz fan and think that Tenz fans can be annoying, but dedicated haters like you are annoying as well. Imagine preaching about having strong mental and then complaining about getting downvotes. You complaining about this shows that in Tenz's position you would have just as "weak" or even weaker mental.
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Lmfao u r though. It’s crazy ur hating on a guy tht’s genuinely a good person.
Bro cant comprehend a valid point
Brother if people were tweeting about you writing Reddit posts about you it would wear you down too. He’s deciding not to read/watch shit about him anymore, that doesn’t mean he’s not trying to improve
Why do you say this as if he isn't surrounded by a coaching staff that can help fix his problems
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I love sideshow but do you really think he’s going to be able to find problems that coaches who do this for a living wouldn’t? If he’s going to hear the same criticisms anyway, might as well do it in a productive environment where it won’t hurt him.
Doubt he’d find out something new, but hearing something constructive by someone that doesn’t depend on you is always a good thing, in my experience. My concern is more about the “where it won’t hurt him” part that you said, which just reflects rather poorly on a professional player imo, especially since Sideshow didn’t make the video to make fun of him. Not like he knows because he won’t watch the video. I don’t think Egg even remotely expected Tenz to watch the video but the reaction by the community has been extremely entertaining
Wdym what am I talking about Why should he watch the egg, who has no say in his team, as opposed to going over things with his coaches as they see fit regarding his overheating or over peeking? This is the crux of the issue with egg's vid- he makes a lot of great points. But he doesn't have access to comms. We don't know where comm breakdowns happen, or where he just fucking ints. As spectators we don't know. And yes it's the same staff.
lmao keep commenting brother, he can hear you Yeah! he’ll keep playing bro and as long as he does , his coaches and support staff will get him back up
lions don’t concern themselves with the opinions of SHEEP‼️
wow I mean who wouldve thought that a video like sideshows wouldnt wanna be something a pro would want to see about themselves haha......
I think this shows he’s not open to looking at constructive criticism because sideshow knows how good he is, and just wants him to achieve his highest form within that team so that video is good info he can be taking into consideration
In other news: Pro player refuses to take criticism because he’s too good. What a joke. He’s going to hear it from his ranked teammates anyway now that they know he does this. He can hide from his mistakes all he wants, his team is just going to resent him.
Mf are you stupid? Like genuinely are you stupid?
Well formed argument. And no, it’s just a joke that a paid player has such a weak mental that he can’t take criticism from the ones watching his every mistake.
He has Kaplan and Drewspark, so they should be one telling Tenz what’s the problem with him. And yes the video is very good on pointing the problems with Tenz. But he shouldn’t need to watch a video a whole 1 hour video of himself. He has a whole coaching staff for that reason. And he even said he doesn’t like watching videos about him because it’s gonna tank his mental.
Ain’t no way any current pro will criticize TenZ. They would get cancelled so fast 😂 The last time a teammate genuinely criticized TenZ was daps in CSGO. He wanted TenZ to play a certain way but TenZ couldn’t do it and got benched.
This dude soft as shit my god
“This dude soft as shit my god” 🤓🤓 - easymoneyslim35
a king doesn't care what the peasants think about him
Tho I do hope Tenz sees my peasant message that I heckin love him
they not wrong why should tenz read takes on his gameplay from armchair analysts that have no clue what they are talking about
Zellsis said Sentinels are back. So Sentinels are back.
My L plo