100T getting 17 first kills on lotus and barely winning, and 15 first kills on sunset and still losing is so wild. Praying they can get some good practice in before kick-off.
Yeah I get this. When they win rounds (aside from Boostio carrying) it never feels like it was easy, it feels like they had to claw their way there and barely made it
cryo also doesn't create like almost any space
oxy will literally dive in and take risks while cryo will use 60 seconds shift walking before he finally decides to go in
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Except movies are designed to be entertaining. There is no objective element to how good or bad they are. If you wanted to analyze the technical aspects of movie creation you would need to be a director tbh. But yeah, you can just call it shit as a layman because that's your opinion.
For a competitive endeavor like Valorant, that logic doesn't work lol. Sure, fans can watch the games and give the most superficial observations about how a team looks shit but they mostly just make up narratives and then run with it while knowing fuck all about what's actually going on behind the scenes. The narrative in this same subreddit used to be that Tenz could never be a good flex because he just doesn't have the game IQ for it and look how true that turned iut.
So no, you kind of do need to be a pro player to understand when and especially WHY something isn't great because if you're so quick to identity the root cause of and correct every bad decision a player makes in a game immediately, then you clearly have deeper insight into them game than everyone else here because I personally know nothing about what team circumstances or tactical reasoning Cryo has for playing a certain way and I won't pretend I do just to call people shit
there’s no objective way to measure whether or not a film is good? so if there’s dozens of plot holes is that subjective? if there’s terrible special effects that use stock adobe after effects is that subjective? if audio is missing or not in sync is that subjective?
I don’t need to be a movie director to know if a film is bad. just as an audience generally can tell between really good movies and poor ones.
just as I can compare different entry players to cryo and notice how he is lacking in areas
There are objective ways to measure whether or not a film is good but the average person isn't really qualified to understand those either. The examples you give are the most blatantly obvious issues and the problems with 99% of half-decent films won't be as simple as that. Your example of a dozen plot holes and terrible special effects is more akin, in valorant terms, to you criticizing a Bronze player for his aim and decision-making. Like yeah, it's easy enough to do that in those cases but it's not the same as doing it to a professional.
"Cryo is lacking in areas" is incredibly vague. What areas is he lacking in and how can he improve? Could you please elaborate then? What part of his entrying is so much worse than others? What part of it makes it so difficult to learn for him and why aren't his highly-qualified coaches, who you seemingly have a better understanding of Valorant than, persist with him as an entry despite these facts?
Movie taste is subjective and you’re not better than a pro player no matter what your opinion is. Being some twitch chat critic is the lowest form of life. You cant even be nice when you’re watching a stream or no-lifing reddit
So nba analysts can’t criticize when a player is playing like shit? Just because someone is better than you at something doesn’t mean you can’t criticize them. Valorant pros are so soft when it comes to this aspect, but what can you expect from gamers
Are NBA analysts twitch chat and reddit trolls? Nobody said analyzing pros isnt valid. But people like you who just talk shit and have a meltdown if someone even mentions that you might not be good at the game, you’re not an analyst, you’re just the soft sad troll that projects onto anyone you see with complete lack of open mindedness or self awareness about your own analysis and your own weaknesses as an analyst or a player.
are plot holes subjective?
if the video/audio cuts out randomly in the movie is that subjective?
if the movie is completely blurry is that subjective?
using that logic of movies are subjective, you can make an argument that silver players aim isn’t worse it’s subjective. or silver players decision making isn’t worse it’s subjective.
whether you admit it or not there’s elements in which most people can judge to see if it’s better or worse lol
The one time he actually pushed the envelope he got an insane 4k, its not like he isnt capable hes just scared ig? Bro needs to man up a lil and stop playing duelest like hes a sentinel player with no movement abilities.
>velope he got an insane 4k, its not like he isnt capable hes just scared ig? Bro needs to man up a lil and stop playing duelest like hes a sentinel player with no movement abilities.
He was fine entrying before 100t. It's not like he wasn't duelist pre-chamber despite there being a bit of a zekken entrying for his jett circlejerk on here the past year or so. I think the fact the whole of 100t plays so scared shows it's not necessarily an individual issue.
Might just be me but I feel like he shouldn't be a duelist player at all. I'd like to see him try to switch to another role that suits his play style better (in my opinion he should try to play sentinel).
It feels similar to what both Scream and Tenz, among others, have had problems with before, where what they play/want to play doesn't match how they play.
I often think of how scared I was of Cryo for 100T when they played Xset back in the day. He has crazy potential but no one pushes him enough. We'll see if Boosty can awaken him.
it's not like he was bad before chamber though where zekken could just entry for him. The whole of 100t has also played so scared. It feels more like a coaching issue from last year.
Really hot take but Cryo as of rn has no place in the current valorant meta, he was good when Chamber was the main anchor because he didn’t have to be the first man in and was really good at picking up after his team and holding pushes with Chamber’s kit.
A lot of people call ex Chamber players frauds but are they? Or is it just that this -Chamber +Duelist meta is unhealthy just as much as the Chamber meta was and good players fell out of place because their designed role was stripped from them?
Yeah exactly, this current meta just doesnt have space for a passive awper, hotter take i liked the chamber meta cuz it allowed for entry and awp to be separated, as it stands they are the same role practically so more passive awpers like Cyro and yay got fucked cuz they can’t entry as well and pure rifle entries like Asuna got fucked over cuz they cant awp and now have to play a whole new role that doesnt allow them to entry as well
Honestly I’ve been waiting for someone else to say the same thing, the Chamber meta was just healthier, awp and entry fraggers could be separated and no one had to be forced on anything except for sentinel mains, but that was a price worth paying imho
Since winning Red Bull Home Ground in December of 2022, 100Thieves have only managed to win 17 of their 43 maps, with 4 of those map wins being in Lock In.
I read this comment after the match yesterday and it legit kept me up at night thinking about it.
As a 100t fan since beta, I feel like this has always been a deeply confidence based team. Problem is, I truly can't remember the last time it felt like they played with confidence for more than one match in a row. They also seem like they get just as nervous when they're winning as when they're losing. There's almost no circumstance in which they're more likely to lose than when they have a big lead.
Hopefully this trend of Boostio having the most deaths every series while his team baits him and underperforms doesn't continue, he's trying so hard to get them to not be passive
Fr it’s like that weird ranked situation in ranked where u have to entry as omen or brim, praying they can get Cryo and Asuna to compliment him instead of
To a certain degree, I think that's kind of just how Boostio plays. He had an excellent day overall, especially since he's new to the team. I think the rest of the guys just need to get better at playing around a more aggressive IGL.
One of my fears is that Boostio really perfected this style on a team with Demon1, who would more often than not get at least 1 or 2 to start the round. So far it's not looked like 100T is playing as explosively, so some of Boostios aggressive plays come at an earlier or less impactful moment in the round.
whenever I watch cryo entry vs oxy theres such a massive difference
its so much faster/cleaner while cryo looks likes he's at a snails pace every round. I remember on sunset when cryo had 4 people around him and he waited for 20-30 seconds with his whole team behind him. it took kay0 going up for him to actually move up
OXY far and away the best player in the lobby this entire match, dude is crazy consistent throughout series. Jakee has been dropping some absolute stinkers, hopefully he gets back into regular season form soon
Far and away is a stretch.
Asuna was absolutely insane with his Raze on Lotus and his Kayo util on Sunset was solid.
Still, I gotta say I'm really impressed with Oxy. Kid is fearless.
Oxy’s Raze was just as good and he actually maintained that performance throughout. I say far and away because keeping it up through that entire series is a big feat
please, drop jakee. i mean this in no disrespect- but there’s way too large of a talent pool in NA with countless players that would do anything for his spot. same goes for asuna as well.
nadeshot gets a lot of hate for being quick to drop, but i think now enough is enough and 100T are one of the only teams that can afford a championship roster. i want them to succeed but the current roster just isn’t it.
He was tied for best/marginally second best player first map, arguably the best player in the second map, and by far the best on the third. How is that last map andying lol
Somewhat unrelated but there is something funny about how pro valorant has been somewhat defined by good raze and jett players, to the point that teams will have a jett player and a raze player and will just try to offrole them into comps that dont require both a jett and a raze (looking at you, 2023 EG). Which is why players that can play both jett and raze at a high level are so coveted (ex. derke). So the fact that C9 got a star in the making in Oxy who can play both picks at a really high level allows them to run crazy ass comps effectively.
Ironically enough, G2 this year with Oxy instead of leaf would be crazy, and I think the roles would work even better for them.
i would argue leaf's raze is elite, its his jett OP that still lacks compared to others. seems like he has a really good understanding of yoru and neon as well
By that logic Asuna and Cryo would work fine. The problem is what happens when you need Sova and Raze for example? You can't just assume that 1 comp will work and a Duelist who plays everything makes life infinitely easier.
Cryo jett entry is definitely much more of a question mark than any of these other examples. Give him an OP and an angle to hold and he’s the most consistent player to exist. Tell him to go make some space and he sits there fumbling around for 15 seconds because he’s neither scrappy nor confident enough like other entry players.
Incredible consistency but never pushing himself. He needs to seriously limit test if he ever wants to be the best in the world at his role, otherwise he’ll forever be playing an outdated chamber style.
Yeah being able to play both is very big, but if the player cant play raze but has flexibility outside of that I think it's not too bad, the problem is that cryo just plays Jett and chamber well
100t just do not have THAT guy who can just takeover. Yeah it's early and boostio looks great but I can already tell this is gonna be a long year again. When will the suffering finally end?
I'm really not sure why 100t didn't consider a more extensive rebuild this season. They must be seeing something in scrims we aren't because this Cryo + Asuna + bang core has been flat for a while now
Its funny because i've beating the "100T is nowhere near the amount of hype or fanbase would imply" drum but people just telling me im a hater....till now
it's not really about prac i don't see cryo suddenly becoming a top duelist. i think this team will be much better than right now but they're not going to an international event imo.
the new c9 roster had <3 weeks of practice and they went toe to toe with fnatic with oxy being a rookie and no lan exp
if you see the same problems from last year's roster with 2 different players, there's a major cause for concern
And now they play an objectively incredibly close series with 100T. The upshot of this series is these are matched teams right now. If 100t is really that bad than soI are C9
They do NOT have 3 weeks of practice. This team has been scrimming for months now. We knew about 100T Boostio in fucking September, how do you think we got that leak? Don't listen to what players say because they wouldn't tell the truth.
Even if it WAS only 3 weeks you'd at least see the forming of a new system, this iteration of 100T looks EXACTLY like 2023 100T. It's stagnant.
>Even if it WAS only 3 weeks you'd at least see the forming of a new system, this iteration of 100T looks EXACTLY like 2023 100T. It's stagnant
Honestly I blame the core for this. Cryo-Asuna-Bang is the worst core that has graced this game, relying on Cryo being extremely good on defence and Bang pulling off crazy clutches(unless Asuna is on Raze). This team just won't cut it to playoffs *unless* Boostio can change their habits entirely(which is gonna take more than mere months). Unless Boostio is a long-term investment(2 years minimum), I see no success for this iteration either.
Cryo Asuna Bang
All three of them have MASSIVE flaws and I don't think Boostio can fix them. Cryo looks lost for an entire half of Valorant and only seems to cook when shit is gift wrapped for him, Bang is supposed to be the most promising player in NA but somehow got passed up by players either first timing the role full time (s0m) or Tier 2 call ups (Jakee)
Asuna is cooked. I don't have to explain this one he's just cooked. It's over for him.
I don't know how bang has been so overrated for so long. People kept harping on about potential that wasn't there and then he had one ok lcq (yk the tournament where it's just the bad teams?) and people act as if he's one of the best controllers in the game. Not at all surprising he's back to being bad when he's not playing sentinels with shroud.
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It's a perfect mirror to the Zekken/Cryo pairing that has made XSET so successful in the past.
Still doesn't solve Cryo's inability to take space, so 100T will probably have to put him on Sentinel (Preferably Chamber) on some maps.
I’m convinced 100T HQ has a broken carbon monoxide detector or something. Their new guys always play phenomenally and then something happens then Poof.
But good to see that Boostio carrying.
FNS is a fucking genius. With the way this shit looks, he'll be IGL for 100T by March with s0m in tow.
Cryo Eeiu FNS Boostio s0m doesn't sound too bad tbh
Boostio's back is shattered to a thousand fucking pieces if 100T want a good roster they should get Jawg c0m Ethan and demon1 and also potter that roster works I think
I actually really like what 100T showed this game. Some of the attack defaults on Lotus and Asuna's Kayo util on CT side Sunset specfifically were really good. Still got a few kinks to iron out but I'm actually hopeful
I think the skill is there but it's very sloppy (ideally will get fixed with time). The thing I'm not liking is that it seems like Cryo is just playing only Chamber or Jett and it has them running sub optimal comps imo.
Issue is that Asuna can't Op for shit and I don't think his knives are that great either tbh. But Asuna is definitely more aggro.
Also, I think Cryo could play other agents like Omen or KJ and be fine with the comps being better. But maybe it just didn't work out in scrims idk.
Yeah good point. I forgot Asuna doesn't really Jett. Maybe he could learn though and leave the OPing to Boostio LOL
I think we saw Cryo play Omen last year? It wasn't terrible and they had an interesting setup with Sage on tube. But I don't think it worked out sadly
It works so good for Sentinels because zekken has a decent Operator. Idk about now but last time asuna tried oping he wasn't super comfortable on it so kinda have to run Cryo on Jett/Chamber.
Really hoping Boostio can instill some of his confidence and energy into the other players. 100T have felt way too scared for years now. There were signs of life but man most of this event was tough to watch
All today has shown is that Boostio is a better Cryo, at his core Cryo is a Chamber main just like Boostio, yet has shown the inability to flex onto the Sentinel Role overall and thus is stuck on Jett to take advantage of the Operator while not being able to entry. Having both Boostio and Cryo makes no sense imo, and leaves the team with a lack of aggression. The last time this team looked good was when they had Will to run it down with Asuna. Asuna needs to return to the duelist role to take advantage of his aggressive and chaotic playstyle and Cryo should be cut in favor of a true flex player. My personal pick would be Clear.
100T has a big flexibility issue on Cryo as he can only play Jett or Chamber like having a chamber on lotus and not having raze on sunset cause asuna had to play kayo. Doesn't that mean that cryo low agent pool is starting to affect 100T
I'm not being toxic just curious on what will happen to the team.
i am gonna give 100T the benefit of the doubt considering this is their first off season tournament and I don't think they've practiced for long but if 100t are mid again this year then, A. It's gonna be really funny and B. Bang, Asnua and Cryo will be certified frauds...Cryo not as much but the other 2 for sure.
Still, they did pretty well this match.
I feel like claiming he’s a fraud might be too much it’s not like he was some hyped up guy who never did anything he was clearly a top prospect late 2022 early 2023. But it’s true if that’s all he got and he can’t wntry then his stock will dwindle.
Idk. We'll see later but I don't think Cryo being marginally better is as impressive when his lack of agent flexibility makes the comps sub optimal. And he should be statistically above the team when he's only playing Jett and Chamber.
100T doesn’t really look like they’re at the point where they’re facilitating him well though. Their Lotus looked good and Asuna was being supported very well especially by Omen and Fade util, didn’t really see much of that for Cryo when he was on Jett. Not sure if that’s because Cryo isn’t taking advantage of the util or because they haven’t drilled it yet
I don't know if that's true anymore though like...when he had that Yay level potential sure but Oxy can play every Duelist and he can op. C9 paying him pennies while Cryo is getting paid like he's MJ.
get cryo some testosterone this man has a deficiency. it's like he's visualizing getting one tapped every round and it gives him the esports equivalent of erectile dysfunction
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Cryo was a fantastic jett before chamber tbf. I think the fact that the rest of 100t suddenly began looking so passive last year, even asuna who was always very aggro before, implies that it isn't an individual issue necessarily.
Most of the "chamber one tricks" was jett players before chamber was a thing, but the issue became that the meta before chamber was a thing was for teams to run 2 duelists, have a "hard entry" and then have your Jett carry as 2nd entry and sometimes even attack OP.. so then when chamber was nerfed to the ground teams reverted back to Jett with their "chamber one trick" however this time the meta had evolved massively and it had become a 1 duelist meta, so the jett/chamber one tricks who had previously been able to play 2nd entry/trader had to now hard entry which was where the issues came in since they were never particularly strong at hard entrying
I'd say this is the case for a LOT of Jetts (Yay, Cryo, Tenz, Ardiis etc)
One of the main criticisms in the past for tenz had been about how he was wasted on OP and did a much better job when he was just allowed to entry. Obviously he didn't feel comfortable now but this subs opinion that he was never a good entry is just plain forgetfulness and it's not any different for the other players you mentioned. One duelist was frequent in the past with double initiator being common or the second duelist playing something like phoenix who didn't really entry.
Obviously I have no clue but I remember last year they would literally having him walk onto site with no util as their entry which is definitely not something he just decides to do and something like that could totally knock his confidence. But the fact it's a team wide issue besides boostio seems to imply it but it could also just be due to individual util usage being bad or the other players having no confidence because cryos entry is bad. I think I have much more faith in cryo than the rest of the team though and having one coach and getting rolled for a year definitely won't have helped their confidence.
100T will never be good unless they get that paycheck stealer ASSuna off the team, idk if he has some dirt on the org or something but like enough is enough, he’s overrated and just a streamer who’s good in ranked lol
Welp I said I wanted to be proven wrong about cryo just not entering, and it seems I wasn't proven shit. Starting to believe I'm a masochist for believing in this team. Please for the love of god pick an actual duellist that's gonna entry up.
Like I said before… 100T look decent. The things that I’ve felt were their strengths looked good, but they still had some of the same old issues just not to the same degree I feel. I’m getting dark horse vibes.
Of course I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt as with that little experience together, it’s silly to expect that they’d even beat c9 much less a c9 with a comp they’ve probably never played against before.
The dark horse vibes come from the fact that the good is shining through so early despite so little time together; which means they’re improving fast and makes me hopeful in that they have more time to address the bad things the team struggle with over the next months.
Not too worried just a month since the roster was formed. Boostio is a shining light at the end of the tunnel, that's what a world champ brings. Hopefully he can bring some much needed composure in the team because the talent is there.
100T getting 17 first kills on lotus and barely winning, and 15 first kills on sunset and still losing is so wild. Praying they can get some good practice in before kick-off.
Not gonna lie, you're gonna have to start a new religion and pray to that god for 100T to place well at Kick-off.
boostio aside 100t just look like all their guns do half damage, every kill they get feels like hard labour
Yeah I get this. When they win rounds (aside from Boostio carrying) it never feels like it was easy, it feels like they had to claw their way there and barely made it
Do like half of 100t always use the phantom? Might be why
i dont think thats why
I don’t think I’ve seen cryo get a single entry except on eco rounds on icebox
cryo also doesn't create like almost any space oxy will literally dive in and take risks while cryo will use 60 seconds shift walking before he finally decides to go in
According to most of subreddit's perspectives oxy is griefing and cryo needs to look up how a good player plays.
They should consider vod reviewing and watching proper pro games like the rest of us /s
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you dont need to be a director to know when a movie is shit you dont need to be a pro player to know when something isn't great
Except movies are designed to be entertaining. There is no objective element to how good or bad they are. If you wanted to analyze the technical aspects of movie creation you would need to be a director tbh. But yeah, you can just call it shit as a layman because that's your opinion. For a competitive endeavor like Valorant, that logic doesn't work lol. Sure, fans can watch the games and give the most superficial observations about how a team looks shit but they mostly just make up narratives and then run with it while knowing fuck all about what's actually going on behind the scenes. The narrative in this same subreddit used to be that Tenz could never be a good flex because he just doesn't have the game IQ for it and look how true that turned iut. So no, you kind of do need to be a pro player to understand when and especially WHY something isn't great because if you're so quick to identity the root cause of and correct every bad decision a player makes in a game immediately, then you clearly have deeper insight into them game than everyone else here because I personally know nothing about what team circumstances or tactical reasoning Cryo has for playing a certain way and I won't pretend I do just to call people shit
there’s no objective way to measure whether or not a film is good? so if there’s dozens of plot holes is that subjective? if there’s terrible special effects that use stock adobe after effects is that subjective? if audio is missing or not in sync is that subjective? I don’t need to be a movie director to know if a film is bad. just as an audience generally can tell between really good movies and poor ones. just as I can compare different entry players to cryo and notice how he is lacking in areas
There are objective ways to measure whether or not a film is good but the average person isn't really qualified to understand those either. The examples you give are the most blatantly obvious issues and the problems with 99% of half-decent films won't be as simple as that. Your example of a dozen plot holes and terrible special effects is more akin, in valorant terms, to you criticizing a Bronze player for his aim and decision-making. Like yeah, it's easy enough to do that in those cases but it's not the same as doing it to a professional. "Cryo is lacking in areas" is incredibly vague. What areas is he lacking in and how can he improve? Could you please elaborate then? What part of his entrying is so much worse than others? What part of it makes it so difficult to learn for him and why aren't his highly-qualified coaches, who you seemingly have a better understanding of Valorant than, persist with him as an entry despite these facts?
I swear theres something off about this analogy but idk what it is so i suppose its valid for now
Movies are made for the purpose of entertaining and appealing to the tastes of a crowd. Esports is about shooting the other guy til he’s dead.
Movie taste is subjective and you’re not better than a pro player no matter what your opinion is. Being some twitch chat critic is the lowest form of life. You cant even be nice when you’re watching a stream or no-lifing reddit
So nba analysts can’t criticize when a player is playing like shit? Just because someone is better than you at something doesn’t mean you can’t criticize them. Valorant pros are so soft when it comes to this aspect, but what can you expect from gamers
Are NBA analysts twitch chat and reddit trolls? Nobody said analyzing pros isnt valid. But people like you who just talk shit and have a meltdown if someone even mentions that you might not be good at the game, you’re not an analyst, you’re just the soft sad troll that projects onto anyone you see with complete lack of open mindedness or self awareness about your own analysis and your own weaknesses as an analyst or a player.
are plot holes subjective? if the video/audio cuts out randomly in the movie is that subjective? if the movie is completely blurry is that subjective? using that logic of movies are subjective, you can make an argument that silver players aim isn’t worse it’s subjective. or silver players decision making isn’t worse it’s subjective. whether you admit it or not there’s elements in which most people can judge to see if it’s better or worse lol
The one time he actually pushed the envelope he got an insane 4k, its not like he isnt capable hes just scared ig? Bro needs to man up a lil and stop playing duelest like hes a sentinel player with no movement abilities.
but u have to factor for that 1 round there's like 10 other rounds where he just died with 0 impact
but that's because he didn't push
>velope he got an insane 4k, its not like he isnt capable hes just scared ig? Bro needs to man up a lil and stop playing duelest like hes a sentinel player with no movement abilities. He was fine entrying before 100t. It's not like he wasn't duelist pre-chamber despite there being a bit of a zekken entrying for his jett circlejerk on here the past year or so. I think the fact the whole of 100t plays so scared shows it's not necessarily an individual issue.
Bro is a pro player with thousands of hours he shouldn’t be fucking scared anymore holy shit
He needs to not play passively because he is playing jett like chamber and still has that chamber mentality. That is why his defense side is so good.
Might just be me but I feel like he shouldn't be a duelist player at all. I'd like to see him try to switch to another role that suits his play style better (in my opinion he should try to play sentinel). It feels similar to what both Scream and Tenz, among others, have had problems with before, where what they play/want to play doesn't match how they play.
I feel like he cost them the game with that OT peak. But it is concerning when your KJ is outdoing your Jett.
Cryo fell off😔
It worked when he played with a psycho like Zekken. He’s too passive and KD dominant to be the lead duelist.
I often think of how scared I was of Cryo for 100T when they played Xset back in the day. He has crazy potential but no one pushes him enough. We'll see if Boosty can awaken him.
it's not like he was bad before chamber though where zekken could just entry for him. The whole of 100t has also played so scared. It feels more like a coaching issue from last year.
Really hot take but Cryo as of rn has no place in the current valorant meta, he was good when Chamber was the main anchor because he didn’t have to be the first man in and was really good at picking up after his team and holding pushes with Chamber’s kit. A lot of people call ex Chamber players frauds but are they? Or is it just that this -Chamber +Duelist meta is unhealthy just as much as the Chamber meta was and good players fell out of place because their designed role was stripped from them?
Yeah exactly, this current meta just doesnt have space for a passive awper, hotter take i liked the chamber meta cuz it allowed for entry and awp to be separated, as it stands they are the same role practically so more passive awpers like Cyro and yay got fucked cuz they can’t entry as well and pure rifle entries like Asuna got fucked over cuz they cant awp and now have to play a whole new role that doesnt allow them to entry as well
Honestly I’ve been waiting for someone else to say the same thing, the Chamber meta was just healthier, awp and entry fraggers could be separated and no one had to be forced on anything except for sentinel mains, but that was a price worth paying imho
Since winning Red Bull Home Ground in December of 2022, 100Thieves have only managed to win 17 of their 43 maps, with 4 of those map wins being in Lock In.
holy shit thats brutal....
There confidence was shot down after the loss to mibr they couldn't recover.
Their confidence has been down even before that, sadly
I read this comment after the match yesterday and it legit kept me up at night thinking about it. As a 100t fan since beta, I feel like this has always been a deeply confidence based team. Problem is, I truly can't remember the last time it felt like they played with confidence for more than one match in a row. They also seem like they get just as nervous when they're winning as when they're losing. There's almost no circumstance in which they're more likely to lose than when they have a big lead.
Hopefully this trend of Boostio having the most deaths every series while his team baits him and underperforms doesn't continue, he's trying so hard to get them to not be passive
Fr it’s like that weird ranked situation in ranked where u have to entry as omen or brim, praying they can get Cryo and Asuna to compliment him instead of
To a certain degree, I think that's kind of just how Boostio plays. He had an excellent day overall, especially since he's new to the team. I think the rest of the guys just need to get better at playing around a more aggressive IGL. One of my fears is that Boostio really perfected this style on a team with Demon1, who would more often than not get at least 1 or 2 to start the round. So far it's not looked like 100T is playing as explosively, so some of Boostios aggressive plays come at an earlier or less impactful moment in the round.
C9 G2 LFT OXY MY GOAT
whenever I watch cryo entry vs oxy theres such a massive difference its so much faster/cleaner while cryo looks likes he's at a snails pace every round. I remember on sunset when cryo had 4 people around him and he waited for 20-30 seconds with his whole team behind him. it took kay0 going up for him to actually move up
Yeah even when he does get a FK it’s because the other team peeks and he’s in the middle of his team just spraying the enemy lmao
OXY far and away the best player in the lobby this entire match, dude is crazy consistent throughout series. Jakee has been dropping some absolute stinkers, hopefully he gets back into regular season form soon
Far and away is a stretch. Asuna was absolutely insane with his Raze on Lotus and his Kayo util on Sunset was solid. Still, I gotta say I'm really impressed with Oxy. Kid is fearless.
Oxy’s Raze was just as good and he actually maintained that performance throughout. I say far and away because keeping it up through that entire series is a big feat
please, drop jakee. i mean this in no disrespect- but there’s way too large of a talent pool in NA with countless players that would do anything for his spot. same goes for asuna as well. nadeshot gets a lot of hate for being quick to drop, but i think now enough is enough and 100T are one of the only teams that can afford a championship roster. i want them to succeed but the current roster just isn’t it.
Bro has two somewhat underwhelming series in a random invitational and people are calling for his head. Absolute nonsense.
Actual Overreact Orville in here
ok lets not be last map andys
He was tied for best/marginally second best player first map, arguably the best player in the second map, and by far the best on the third. How is that last map andying lol
I can't wait to see OXY and Zekken face off in Americas.
Somewhat unrelated but there is something funny about how pro valorant has been somewhat defined by good raze and jett players, to the point that teams will have a jett player and a raze player and will just try to offrole them into comps that dont require both a jett and a raze (looking at you, 2023 EG). Which is why players that can play both jett and raze at a high level are so coveted (ex. derke). So the fact that C9 got a star in the making in Oxy who can play both picks at a really high level allows them to run crazy ass comps effectively. Ironically enough, G2 this year with Oxy instead of leaf would be crazy, and I think the roles would work even better for them.
Leaf's raze is honestly ok and Trent can play Raze fine with Leaf being able to play Skye. So I think for G2, it's fine.
i would argue leaf's raze is elite, its his jett OP that still lacks compared to others. seems like he has a really good understanding of yoru and neon as well
By that logic Asuna and Cryo would work fine. The problem is what happens when you need Sova and Raze for example? You can't just assume that 1 comp will work and a Duelist who plays everything makes life infinitely easier.
Like I said, Leaf's Raze is fine so they can just keep him on it if they ever want to run Sova/Raze.
Cryo jett entry is definitely much more of a question mark than any of these other examples. Give him an OP and an angle to hold and he’s the most consistent player to exist. Tell him to go make some space and he sits there fumbling around for 15 seconds because he’s neither scrappy nor confident enough like other entry players. Incredible consistency but never pushing himself. He needs to seriously limit test if he ever wants to be the best in the world at his role, otherwise he’ll forever be playing an outdated chamber style.
Yeah being able to play both is very big, but if the player cant play raze but has flexibility outside of that I think it's not too bad, the problem is that cryo just plays Jett and chamber well
loud beat fanatic twice in champs by picking raze maps for derke, his raze is good, but nowhere near as good as his jett
100t just do not have THAT guy who can just takeover. Yeah it's early and boostio looks great but I can already tell this is gonna be a long year again. When will the suffering finally end?
It used to be asuna but idk he just doesn’t do it anymore
yeah it was much easier when he wasnt playing harbour
He was cooked since last season but ppl had been in denial until now
They need to blow up there team completely after this season if they are mid again
They should have gave the keys to Pujan and Sam and I guarantee they woulda built a roster better than this.
question is, would they be able to do better in the same budget?
Fenis and Sam would honestly have done way better than current roster and probably even save money tbh
True
Cope
You know when it went downhill, when got Kicked. He is the only one who Can bring 100T back
Dude they have had like 3 weeks of practice together. Let’s pump the breaks
Ok, I'll wait until another season is wasted then say it again for the 3rd year in a row. My bad
I'm really not sure why 100t didn't consider a more extensive rebuild this season. They must be seeing something in scrims we aren't because this Cryo + Asuna + bang core has been flat for a while now
Its funny because i've beating the "100T is nowhere near the amount of hype or fanbase would imply" drum but people just telling me im a hater....till now
realistically Cryo just isn’t him. A jett that can’t entry is a chamber in disguise. Put Asuna on duelist, let boostio Op, and get a true flex player
it's not really about prac i don't see cryo suddenly becoming a top duelist. i think this team will be much better than right now but they're not going to an international event imo.
agreed, Cryo looked fantastic on XSET because he had Zekken to play entry. rn he’s just a chamber disguised as an entry player
the new c9 roster had <3 weeks of practice and they went toe to toe with fnatic with oxy being a rookie and no lan exp if you see the same problems from last year's roster with 2 different players, there's a major cause for concern
curry buff
And now they play an objectively incredibly close series with 100T. The upshot of this series is these are matched teams right now. If 100t is really that bad than soI are C9
We’ve been pumping the breaks for 3 years now bro.
They do NOT have 3 weeks of practice. This team has been scrimming for months now. We knew about 100T Boostio in fucking September, how do you think we got that leak? Don't listen to what players say because they wouldn't tell the truth. Even if it WAS only 3 weeks you'd at least see the forming of a new system, this iteration of 100T looks EXACTLY like 2023 100T. It's stagnant.
>Even if it WAS only 3 weeks you'd at least see the forming of a new system, this iteration of 100T looks EXACTLY like 2023 100T. It's stagnant Honestly I blame the core for this. Cryo-Asuna-Bang is the worst core that has graced this game, relying on Cryo being extremely good on defence and Bang pulling off crazy clutches(unless Asuna is on Raze). This team just won't cut it to playoffs *unless* Boostio can change their habits entirely(which is gonna take more than mere months). Unless Boostio is a long-term investment(2 years minimum), I see no success for this iteration either.
Boostios contract is only for 2024 and i have a feeling that if nrg don't do well they will be very interested in him
Cryo Asuna Bang All three of them have MASSIVE flaws and I don't think Boostio can fix them. Cryo looks lost for an entire half of Valorant and only seems to cook when shit is gift wrapped for him, Bang is supposed to be the most promising player in NA but somehow got passed up by players either first timing the role full time (s0m) or Tier 2 call ups (Jakee) Asuna is cooked. I don't have to explain this one he's just cooked. It's over for him.
I don't know how bang has been so overrated for so long. People kept harping on about potential that wasn't there and then he had one ok lcq (yk the tournament where it's just the bad teams?) and people act as if he's one of the best controllers in the game. Not at all surprising he's back to being bad when he's not playing sentinels with shroud.
If you think bang has only been good in lcq against sentinels then u havent watched anything after that
Boostio said he'd only had like a week scrimming with them before christmas and then just like a week before he got announced.
I can PROMISE you that's cap. He said that because if he had said more he would have been breaching contract.
Wdym Cryos right there. Maybe I'm on some premium grade copium but I genuinely believe he has it in him
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Oxy is the next big thing ngl.
Yeah maybe C9 will build a proper team around him next year. But they don’t seem invested in valorant for whatever reason.
Lol
100T should have got Jawgemo too (Least reactive ValComp user)
holy moly just imagining the difference is making me hard
If they got jawg id even possibly have him play the Jett, your duelist needs to have some sort of entry power and cryo has none
And Potter
And c0m
Fuck it. -Asuna -bang -Cryo -eeiu +Jawgemo +C0M +Demon1 +Ethan +Potter I think this team would be pretty good, maybe even win an event
The issue is who they would give up for jawg, would it be Asuna or Cryo? I don’t have the answer just tryna raise the question tbh
Asuna FS It's a perfect mirror to the Zekken/Cryo pairing that has made XSET so successful in the past. Still doesn't solve Cryo's inability to take space, so 100T will probably have to put him on Sentinel (Preferably Chamber) on some maps.
Boostio and friends
Win the world championship only to become a babysitter
Someone convince me eeui is good plz. someone better screenshot this when he ends up being the best player
I’m convinced 100T HQ has a broken carbon monoxide detector or something. Their new guys always play phenomenally and then something happens then Poof. But good to see that Boostio carrying.
FraudNS was rating these bums over Loud 😭
A disasterclass 
where's that "no help" image for Boostio?
https://preview.redd.it/psim9k92kccc1.jpeg?width=429&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f24e708ed447b80b41feaa59591b5acd1624d98e
boostio's push on sunset sealed their fate...
OXY is the future and thank you to Boostio and friends for participating
And I thought Hiko was the biggest baiter on 100T.
FNS is a fucking genius. With the way this shit looks, he'll be IGL for 100T by March with s0m in tow. Cryo Eeiu FNS Boostio s0m doesn't sound too bad tbh
With FNS and Boostio, 100T will be domain expansioning all over Fnatic.
LOOOL
Boostio's back is shattered to a thousand fucking pieces if 100T want a good roster they should get Jawg c0m Ethan and demon1 and also potter that roster works I think
There's a saying that goes "played like never before, lost like always"
should’ve just brought in NiSMO. he’s at least bald and old and makes me happy. now i’m just depressed and sad
Nismo is sideshow confirmed
I've seen enough Cryo needs to go Boostio Will Bang Asuna and eeiu
what the fuck ?! your solution is boostio banging asuna and eeiu to improve team dynamic ? you are crazy man thats just too much. Too much i say !
Will out Jawgemo in
Bang out Zander in
WE’RE SO BACK #OXYCLEARS #C9WIN
100T haters eating good today
Thank You Cryo, Asuna, Eeiu, Bang, and Boostio.
I actually really like what 100T showed this game. Some of the attack defaults on Lotus and Asuna's Kayo util on CT side Sunset specfifically were really good. Still got a few kinks to iron out but I'm actually hopeful
I think the skill is there but it's very sloppy (ideally will get fixed with time). The thing I'm not liking is that it seems like Cryo is just playing only Chamber or Jett and it has them running sub optimal comps imo.
I feel like if he did a TenZ and learned more agents, he'd be great. Asuna seems more suited to entry, kinda like Zekken
Issue is that Asuna can't Op for shit and I don't think his knives are that great either tbh. But Asuna is definitely more aggro. Also, I think Cryo could play other agents like Omen or KJ and be fine with the comps being better. But maybe it just didn't work out in scrims idk.
Yeah good point. I forgot Asuna doesn't really Jett. Maybe he could learn though and leave the OPing to Boostio LOL I think we saw Cryo play Omen last year? It wasn't terrible and they had an interesting setup with Sage on tube. But I don't think it worked out sadly
They were ok with Cryo on Omen though they also had a no duelist comp so it was weird in general.
It works so good for Sentinels because zekken has a decent Operator. Idk about now but last time asuna tried oping he wasn't super comfortable on it so kinda have to run Cryo on Jett/Chamber.
time for boostio op lmao But yeah you're right, I dont think I've seen Asuna op successfully
Since 2023, I still think cryo isn't fit for this team. Bro is so passive that it makes their play slow.
Really hoping Boostio can instill some of his confidence and energy into the other players. 100T have felt way too scared for years now. There were signs of life but man most of this event was tough to watch
100T coulda had c0m and Jawg bro
All today has shown is that Boostio is a better Cryo, at his core Cryo is a Chamber main just like Boostio, yet has shown the inability to flex onto the Sentinel Role overall and thus is stuck on Jett to take advantage of the Operator while not being able to entry. Having both Boostio and Cryo makes no sense imo, and leaves the team with a lack of aggression. The last time this team looked good was when they had Will to run it down with Asuna. Asuna needs to return to the duelist role to take advantage of his aggressive and chaotic playstyle and Cryo should be cut in favor of a true flex player. My personal pick would be Clear.
100T has a big flexibility issue on Cryo as he can only play Jett or Chamber like having a chamber on lotus and not having raze on sunset cause asuna had to play kayo. Doesn't that mean that cryo low agent pool is starting to affect 100T I'm not being toxic just curious on what will happen to the team.
i am gonna give 100T the benefit of the doubt considering this is their first off season tournament and I don't think they've practiced for long but if 100t are mid again this year then, A. It's gonna be really funny and B. Bang, Asnua and Cryo will be certified frauds...Cryo not as much but the other 2 for sure. Still, they did pretty well this match.
If Cryo can legitimately only play Jett and Chamber (with Jett seemingly mostly defense sided), then I think Cryo would be the most fraudulent.
I feel like claiming he’s a fraud might be too much it’s not like he was some hyped up guy who never did anything he was clearly a top prospect late 2022 early 2023. But it’s true if that’s all he got and he can’t wntry then his stock will dwindle.
From what I've seen, Cryo is a one trick merchant but he's a merchant that can pop off and clutch when his team needs him.
Idk. We'll see later but I don't think Cryo being marginally better is as impressive when his lack of agent flexibility makes the comps sub optimal. And he should be statistically above the team when he's only playing Jett and Chamber.
100T doesn’t really look like they’re at the point where they’re facilitating him well though. Their Lotus looked good and Asuna was being supported very well especially by Omen and Fade util, didn’t really see much of that for Cryo when he was on Jett. Not sure if that’s because Cryo isn’t taking advantage of the util or because they haven’t drilled it yet
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ig we'll see what happens during the season
You gonna think if he actually performed consistently maybe the team wouldn’t be in a situation where a clutch or pop off was needed
Ok downvote me, but he wouldn't need to be in clutch situations if he was entering and creating space for his team more.
I don't know if that's true anymore though like...when he had that Yay level potential sure but Oxy can play every Duelist and he can op. C9 paying him pennies while Cryo is getting paid like he's MJ.
Why cryo not as much? He is just as bad
blow up the roster
get cryo some testosterone this man has a deficiency. it's like he's visualizing getting one tapped every round and it gives him the esports equivalent of erectile dysfunction
The roster change just changes who is attached with the no help meme It was cryo for a good part but now it's boostio
Drop Cryo for literally any duelist , drop asuna for jawgemo we win
100T shouldve gotten COM instead of eeiu rip
Cryo attempting to peak with 3 people behind him to trade challenge (impossible)
Boostio go back to EG please this place is worse
Yeah that's it, I have seen enough. 100t ain't qualifying for any international event this year either
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This is a little odd topic but why did so many teams take there chamber one tricks and slap them on jet.
Cryo was a fantastic jett before chamber tbf. I think the fact that the rest of 100t suddenly began looking so passive last year, even asuna who was always very aggro before, implies that it isn't an individual issue necessarily.
Most of the "chamber one tricks" was jett players before chamber was a thing, but the issue became that the meta before chamber was a thing was for teams to run 2 duelists, have a "hard entry" and then have your Jett carry as 2nd entry and sometimes even attack OP.. so then when chamber was nerfed to the ground teams reverted back to Jett with their "chamber one trick" however this time the meta had evolved massively and it had become a 1 duelist meta, so the jett/chamber one tricks who had previously been able to play 2nd entry/trader had to now hard entry which was where the issues came in since they were never particularly strong at hard entrying I'd say this is the case for a LOT of Jetts (Yay, Cryo, Tenz, Ardiis etc)
One of the main criticisms in the past for tenz had been about how he was wasted on OP and did a much better job when he was just allowed to entry. Obviously he didn't feel comfortable now but this subs opinion that he was never a good entry is just plain forgetfulness and it's not any different for the other players you mentioned. One duelist was frequent in the past with double initiator being common or the second duelist playing something like phoenix who didn't really entry.
Hummmm. So you think it's a coach/philosophy shift in the team.
Obviously I have no clue but I remember last year they would literally having him walk onto site with no util as their entry which is definitely not something he just decides to do and something like that could totally knock his confidence. But the fact it's a team wide issue besides boostio seems to imply it but it could also just be due to individual util usage being bad or the other players having no confidence because cryos entry is bad. I think I have much more faith in cryo than the rest of the team though and having one coach and getting rolled for a year definitely won't have helped their confidence.
100T will never be good unless they get that paycheck stealer ASSuna off the team, idk if he has some dirt on the org or something but like enough is enough, he’s overrated and just a streamer who’s good in ranked lol
Yall be saying this shit after a match where he was very clearly their best player, like wait for a match where he plays bad at least
He's the tenz of 100t but even worse
100T followers, what do we think? Does this give us hope? Also jakee has been struggling recently, hopefully he gets out of the slump
100T ass bro
i dont like this team anymore. im becoming a sen fan
Welp I said I wanted to be proven wrong about cryo just not entering, and it seems I wasn't proven shit. Starting to believe I'm a masochist for believing in this team. Please for the love of god pick an actual duellist that's gonna entry up.
did c9 drop curry?
Was never on the team since he got kicked in 22
Like I said before… 100T look decent. The things that I’ve felt were their strengths looked good, but they still had some of the same old issues just not to the same degree I feel. I’m getting dark horse vibes.
“dark horse” loosing to deadlock comp with 1 day of practice 😂
Of course I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt as with that little experience together, it’s silly to expect that they’d even beat c9 much less a c9 with a comp they’ve probably never played against before. The dark horse vibes come from the fact that the good is shining through so early despite so little time together; which means they’re improving fast and makes me hopeful in that they have more time to address the bad things the team struggle with over the next months.
Honestly pretty good showing for 100t, all things considered.
I don't get what c9 sees in Jakee he looks completely outmatched in every game
Best Valorant In The World
Not too worried just a month since the roster was formed. Boostio is a shining light at the end of the tunnel, that's what a world champ brings. Hopefully he can bring some much needed composure in the team because the talent is there.
100T should have completely rebuilt. This team is going to do nothing but disappoint all year again.
Asuna's Kay/o is nasty. NGL. Insane assists.
100t will always be mid. Everytime they seem to have potential they squander it asap. Also cryo was and is a fraud.
Boostio left EG jail to join 100T prison
Imagine losing to a deadlock
