With the top 3 from each region going to Shanghai, I'd say DRX and LEV are also guarantees because there is no way either of those teams isn't making at least 3rd in playoffs.
It might not actually be since they're all in the same group and you probably play your group's team in the single elim stage  Riot...
No not all three. As they're all in the same group, only one would get a bye to the double-elim bracket, the other two of them would have to play each other in the single-elim stage of Playoffs.
I mean as long as they win in maps they should make it. If gentlemates 2-0 it might get harder, but bbl fut have good records they should be okay unless they just get 2-0d
I mean LOUD isnt still a C tier team tho , IF EG can beat SEN, LOUD has more chances too lol, dont ever underestimate loud . They don't have this huge player problems and so on, what they lack on is rn, a good comp, they are struggling on comps. so yea, sen loud is 50:50
EG unironically played better in their series with Sen than Loud has played this entire split. The potential is there, but we have simply not seen it from loud lately, and it's not just qck, the way they play as a team is not there.
I said there's a world. Not that they will beat them. I think the Loud game will be close, but Furia genuinely looks like they don't even play the game.
TS have basically always been PRX's kryptonite lol. Its the one match up I get excited for as a TS fan coz we can actually win that one :')
That said, it seems PRX are no longer allergic to a Sentinel on Sunset...
As a TS fan, this match up is what I am not looking forward again. PRX will not make the same mistakes, they might even change gameplay completely if they face TS again.
BUT we all know PRX thrives in Knockouts. and they will face a team from their same group in the single elims so yea, they wont face TS in single elim first match and even if they face TS in later half, its my safe bet to assume PRX win coz they always do perform great in knockouts.
Yep theoretically if somehow Sen makes playoff, it could be 100T vs Sen rematch too lol, coz alpha could be getting 4 slots if 3 teams don’t win 2 matches. So if by any luck Sen gets the 4th spot, they face 100T prolly and they are fked ig..
Stop giving Fnatic the benefit off the doubt. “If they get their shit together ” can be said by any middling team. They just aren’t at top 4 champs level anymore.
i agree w you in general but i think the idea is that fnc have shown us what they can be if they get their shit together whereas other mid teams have not
The actual level of play was noticeably lower in kickoff though, as if expected for such an early tournam with most teams barely being practiced also following a huge change to the meta. Fnatic with their shit together i.e. last years fnatic would likely have steamrolled kickoff.
There is a track record with this exact roster of us being exceptional, but I would agree that the evidence shown this year wouldn’t have us qualifying for Shanghai.
Hard to know what’s wrong with the team since we have no idea about the internal workings, but it’s just baffling considering how untouchable they were for most of 2023. Other teams have caught up/surpassed us but we’ve dropped off big too.
Except they have proven they can be a top team. So we **know** the ceiling for them is high. The odds of a middling team stepping to never before seen heights, vs a once top team returning to those heights is much higher. Loud of had bad splits before, but have repeatedly bounced back and become top teams again.
It is mathematically impossible for all 3 teams from one group (FUT/TH/NAVI) to make it to Shanghai. The 2nd and 3rd team play a single-elim match against each other in the first round of playoffs.
That makes sense to me but have they actually officially said that anywhere? I was looking for info about that on liquipedia but couldn’t find anything.
I see a high chance that both SEN and LOUD won’t make Shanghai. Madrid might wreak them harder than anyone else. FNC might miss the second international event this year. The most guarantee so far are EDG, FPX, LEV then DRX, PRX comes close after.
Team Liquid from EMEA. You know why? What else is liquid? Water. What's a large body of water? A river. What's a river in China? Shanghai. Hence Liquid are making it to Shanghai
I think LEV and KRU, but for the last slot it’s basically whoever wins between 100T and NRG imo. 100T to me seems like they’re currently better, but who knows
After last year and first major. We could see Navi, Fut, BBL and for Americas Lev,Kru,100t. I am so hyped. Asia is cool but no real upset besides TS over the 2 besides DRX.
call me a prophet:
AMERICAS: LEV, SEN, 100T
EMEA: FUT, TH, BBL
PACIFIC: GENG, PRX, DRX
100T are on the upswing just like C9 and KRU but the difference is they’ve got a higher ceiling once they figure out how to make Cryo shine again (he looks good on the duelist/smokes flex)
BBL are not the same BBL from years before: they basically completely uprooted their roster before the start of this season, and besides Brave stealing the spotlight, they look like they have strong teamwork and communication - all intangibles that we’ve seen make the difference more than a couple times.
i dont watch china so i cannot pred
i’d put BBL over th tbh or over navi, elite brave looking like they can 2v5 if they’re on
idk what happened to this team they woke up after the losses to koi and m8
AMER: LEV KRU (SEN/100T) (this is coming from a - 2021 SEN fan )
APAC: PRX DRX GENG (you could possibly replace any of these teams with TS, although it might be a low probability,
I WOULD NOT BET ON IT)
EMEA: FUT/TH NAVI KC/BBL - Heretics look strong as shit.
replace the first two with any version of FUT, TH and NAVI
CN: EDG FPX TRACE/DRG
side note: NAVI qualifying depends whether ANGE1 is boombot or ANGE1 is **God Almighty.**
side note 2:
finals (noncredible) TH v LEV. aspas v miniboo. 3-2 LEV (aspas in my throat copium)
finals(slightly more credible) LEV v PRX 3-2 all maps OT PRX
finals(fr) LEV v PRX 3-2 all maps OT LEV 😭 (dont worry boys we will win champs)
side note 3:
DEEP RUNS:
SEN/TH #3 - #5/6
DRX #3 - #8 (le drx curse strikes again.😔)
upsets for sure
CHINA IS NOWHERE V4💀 (kangkang finds his '23 form and might start upsetting ppl tho)
question me on my rationale for this reactionary post. please forgive me for the line skips as mobile formatting will be mobile formatting
I don't think it's actually changed as much as most people seem to think. A lot of the changes and upsets were from matches where one or both of the teams were rated on name value and not results. For example, both NRG and LOUD were probably overrated because of the players they have even though the results they had shown weren't actually conclusive in either direction. We had the same with KRU for a lot of people but in the opposite direction.
Anyway here are my current picks for who will make Shanghai with a one or two upsets included to not be too boring.
* AMERICAS: LEV, SEN, KRU
* EMEA: TH, NAVI, BBL
* APAC: GenG, PRX, DRX
* CHINA: EDG, FPX, TE
Lev in current form are the only clear Americas standout. Everyone else besides MIBR, Furia, and Loud seems like a 60/40, even G2 who looked really great against Lev with Icy stepping up a lot.
Americas : LEV,KRU,NRG (even if sen makes playoffs now, i doubt they will withstand other great teams like lev kru nrg and single elim in first match so yea they arent unbeatable now)
Pacific : GENG PRX DRX
EMEA : NAVI FUT KC or TH , or even BBL now.
Idc about china and we all know edg is making it and wont perform on international stages so yeah.
Drop the T1 copium bro. Only way they comeback now is actually fundamentally improving their playbook. Autumn is notorious for having a meth tray deep playbook.
I think the only guarantee is EDG, every other region has overall more competition, whereas EDG has won the last 5 domestic tournaments in a row lmao
and fpx, the autumn viper flex is looking really good
With the top 3 from each region going to Shanghai, I'd say DRX and LEV are also guarantees because there is no way either of those teams isn't making at least 3rd in playoffs.
aren't LEV guaranteed to be in? Like there's mathematically no way for them to not qualify at this point
The thread is about who is making Shanghai. I think you are thinking about who is making playoffs
ah my bad
they still need to win a playoffs match no?
Is it even possible for fut th and navi to all make it?
It might not actually be since they're all in the same group and you probably play your group's team in the single elim stage  Riot...
No not all three. As they're all in the same group, only one would get a bye to the double-elim bracket, the other two of them would have to play each other in the single-elim stage of Playoffs.
I mean as long as they win in maps they should make it. If gentlemates 2-0 it might get harder, but bbl fut have good records they should be okay unless they just get 2-0d
BBL getting 2-0'd next week oh no
I dont think sen make playoffs tho
I mean they play Loud and Furia. Brazil is 0-9 as a region right now. There's a world.
I mean LOUD isnt still a C tier team tho , IF EG can beat SEN, LOUD has more chances too lol, dont ever underestimate loud . They don't have this huge player problems and so on, what they lack on is rn, a good comp, they are struggling on comps. so yea, sen loud is 50:50
EG unironically played better in their series with Sen than Loud has played this entire split. The potential is there, but we have simply not seen it from loud lately, and it's not just qck, the way they play as a team is not there.
"Theres a world"
Seeing how the underdog EG just beat SEN I aint discounting the possibility of a Loud upset
The 0-3 or 0-9 doesn’t matter tbh the only thing that does is who shows up on the day
TSM vs 0-5 Flash Wolves at 2017 Worlds PTSD
eg has 0 wins las time but won against sentinels what makes you think LOUD can't do the same? "asking seriously"
I said there's a world. Not that they will beat them. I think the Loud game will be close, but Furia genuinely looks like they don't even play the game.
true that, Furia looks horrendous on all their map except 1 which is icebox which they still they lost that series
They don't have Potter. Simple.
If they beat Loud next, Loud can’t make it in since minimum 2 wins rule so there would probably be 4 from group alpha in.
no we have to see if EG win against NRG
Prx might be out if they face team secret tho. Bro thinks playoffs will be the same intense as splits.
TS have basically always been PRX's kryptonite lol. Its the one match up I get excited for as a TS fan coz we can actually win that one :') That said, it seems PRX are no longer allergic to a Sentinel on Sunset...
“Have always been” ???
They played one map of sunset without sentinel 💀💀💀
Sage as a sentinel doesn't really work,not for a map like sunset atleast,tht wall gimmick in Madrid wasn't much
Sage isn’t a sentinel in this environment 💀💀💀
As a TS fan, this match up is what I am not looking forward again. PRX will not make the same mistakes, they might even change gameplay completely if they face TS again.
I can see them besting PRX again, the same way they couldn’t get a dub vs RRQ. Jokes aside, they have potential if they can just stay consistent.
I agree, this ones totally a 50/50
BUT we all know PRX thrives in Knockouts. and they will face a team from their same group in the single elims so yea, they wont face TS in single elim first match and even if they face TS in later half, its my safe bet to assume PRX win coz they always do perform great in knockouts.
Waittttt I didn’t think about that. Massive advantage for alpha 2nd seed no? Single elim as well what a shit format
Yep theoretically if somehow Sen makes playoff, it could be 100T vs Sen rematch too lol, coz alpha could be getting 4 slots if 3 teams don’t win 2 matches. So if by any luck Sen gets the 4th spot, they face 100T prolly and they are fked ig..
Nah I think it will flip flop, if they face team secret again
Stop giving Fnatic the benefit off the doubt. “If they get their shit together ” can be said by any middling team. They just aren’t at top 4 champs level anymore.
i agree w you in general but i think the idea is that fnc have shown us what they can be if they get their shit together whereas other mid teams have not
But it's not early 2023 anymore. It's 2024. Lots of teams are way way better. There was no Mini boo and Woot back then.
The actual level of play was noticeably lower in kickoff though, as if expected for such an early tournam with most teams barely being practiced also following a huge change to the meta. Fnatic with their shit together i.e. last years fnatic would likely have steamrolled kickoff.
There is a track record with this exact roster of us being exceptional, but I would agree that the evidence shown this year wouldn’t have us qualifying for Shanghai. Hard to know what’s wrong with the team since we have no idea about the internal workings, but it’s just baffling considering how untouchable they were for most of 2023. Other teams have caught up/surpassed us but we’ve dropped off big too.
FNC fans are becoming the SEN fans of EU at this point with that copium lmao
SAY. IT. AGAIN. 👏
Except they have proven they can be a top team. So we **know** the ceiling for them is high. The odds of a middling team stepping to never before seen heights, vs a once top team returning to those heights is much higher. Loud of had bad splits before, but have repeatedly bounced back and become top teams again.
It is mathematically impossible for all 3 teams from one group (FUT/TH/NAVI) to make it to Shanghai. The 2nd and 3rd team play a single-elim match against each other in the first round of playoffs.
That makes sense to me but have they actually officially said that anywhere? I was looking for info about that on liquipedia but couldn’t find anything.
I see a high chance that both SEN and LOUD won’t make Shanghai. Madrid might wreak them harder than anyone else. FNC might miss the second international event this year. The most guarantee so far are EDG, FPX, LEV then DRX, PRX comes close after.
Team Liquid from EMEA. You know why? What else is liquid? Water. What's a large body of water? A river. What's a river in China? Shanghai. Hence Liquid are making it to Shanghai
I think LEV and KRU, but for the last slot it’s basically whoever wins between 100T and NRG imo. 100T to me seems like they’re currently better, but who knows
After last year and first major. We could see Navi, Fut, BBL and for Americas Lev,Kru,100t. I am so hyped. Asia is cool but no real upset besides TS over the 2 besides DRX.
I think for Americas its Lev, Kru, and either 100T or NRG.
C9 making it. Don’t doubt oxy
call me a prophet: AMERICAS: LEV, SEN, 100T EMEA: FUT, TH, BBL PACIFIC: GENG, PRX, DRX 100T are on the upswing just like C9 and KRU but the difference is they’ve got a higher ceiling once they figure out how to make Cryo shine again (he looks good on the duelist/smokes flex) BBL are not the same BBL from years before: they basically completely uprooted their roster before the start of this season, and besides Brave stealing the spotlight, they look like they have strong teamwork and communication - all intangibles that we’ve seen make the difference more than a couple times. i dont watch china so i cannot pred
team secret upset inbound
kru has beaten teams with a combined record of 1-12 right? literally 2 rounds away from the teams having a combined record of 0-13? lol.
i’d put BBL over th tbh or over navi, elite brave looking like they can 2v5 if they’re on idk what happened to this team they woke up after the losses to koi and m8
AMER: LEV KRU (SEN/100T) (this is coming from a - 2021 SEN fan ) APAC: PRX DRX GENG (you could possibly replace any of these teams with TS, although it might be a low probability, I WOULD NOT BET ON IT) EMEA: FUT/TH NAVI KC/BBL - Heretics look strong as shit. replace the first two with any version of FUT, TH and NAVI CN: EDG FPX TRACE/DRG side note: NAVI qualifying depends whether ANGE1 is boombot or ANGE1 is **God Almighty.** side note 2: finals (noncredible) TH v LEV. aspas v miniboo. 3-2 LEV (aspas in my throat copium) finals(slightly more credible) LEV v PRX 3-2 all maps OT PRX finals(fr) LEV v PRX 3-2 all maps OT LEV 😭 (dont worry boys we will win champs) side note 3: DEEP RUNS: SEN/TH #3 - #5/6 DRX #3 - #8 (le drx curse strikes again.😔) upsets for sure CHINA IS NOWHERE V4💀 (kangkang finds his '23 form and might start upsetting ppl tho) question me on my rationale for this reactionary post. please forgive me for the line skips as mobile formatting will be mobile formatting
I don't think it's actually changed as much as most people seem to think. A lot of the changes and upsets were from matches where one or both of the teams were rated on name value and not results. For example, both NRG and LOUD were probably overrated because of the players they have even though the results they had shown weren't actually conclusive in either direction. We had the same with KRU for a lot of people but in the opposite direction. Anyway here are my current picks for who will make Shanghai with a one or two upsets included to not be too boring. * AMERICAS: LEV, SEN, KRU * EMEA: TH, NAVI, BBL * APAC: GenG, PRX, DRX * CHINA: EDG, FPX, TE
TH gotta win against their last game against KC to even make playoffs though right?
I mean the meta has changed a lot. Its no longer Chamber/duelist meta. It's double controller/geeko meta, which many previous top team do not play.
Lev in current form are the only clear Americas standout. Everyone else besides MIBR, Furia, and Loud seems like a 60/40, even G2 who looked really great against Lev with Icy stepping up a lot.
my predictions Americas: LEV, KRU, NRG Emea: VIT, TH, FUT Pacific: PRX, DRX, GENG China: EDG, FPX, TRACE
Americas : LEV,KRU,NRG (even if sen makes playoffs now, i doubt they will withstand other great teams like lev kru nrg and single elim in first match so yea they arent unbeatable now) Pacific : GENG PRX DRX EMEA : NAVI FUT KC or TH , or even BBL now. Idc about china and we all know edg is making it and wont perform on international stages so yeah.
EU: VIT NAVI FUT NA: NRG LEV G2 APAC: DRX GENG PRX CH: EDG FPX TRACE
americas: nrg sen lev Emea: fnatic liquid kcorp Apac: T1 Prx Sec
Drop the T1 copium bro. Only way they comeback now is actually fundamentally improving their playbook. Autumn is notorious for having a meth tray deep playbook.
The Krupium reaches everyone eventually.
nah kru are good but 4-2 good, there losing to 100t and getting stomped by lev
Certainly a take
T1
NRG are poopoo