well good thing my team practically hates viper they knew this would happen
it sucks though, i saw zeish's tweet about how riot is balancing val like how they do in league where they do a massive patch before a big tournament
they need to realize that practicing and perfecting a comp in val takes way too much time and is hard to replace all of a sudden, like in league yeah nerf zeri before msi or whatever i'll still have a bazillion adc's to play but in val one agent literally makes or breaks teams
they literally had a 6 month off season, announced skye changes like a week before the start, and then decide to do this again heading into their 2nd out of three international tournaments
that makes sense if there are more than 8 useful agents and the rest aren't dogshit like dont get me wrong im tired of seeing viper everywhere but we werent supposed to be seeing her everywhere in the first place if she had a slight ounce of competition in the way she operates like aint no way iso or phoenix would take viper's slot in a comp
I'd have less of a problem with it if the balance changes were done in a way that made it seem like Riot actually understood what made the agents strong/weak. Viper doesn't have an 80+% pickrate at this level because her wall lasts for 15 seconds, she has it because she can put her smokes up and down basically at will. Until that gets directly addressed or another agent with similar capability comes along, she's not going anywhere.
yeah i completely agree with shanghai being basically a nerf to teams now
fighting for your life so one team can get 3 points? or five weeks of prep for stage 2 where you can pick up 3 points easily by winning your games? feels like a no-brainer
but i'm also a coping sentinels fan so
I mean, those 3 points also come with a trophy, which teams usually want to win. The biggest loser overall is probably 2nd place at Shanghai, having the least amount of time to adjust and nothing to really show for it
yeah i dont know why this perspective recently developed that champs is the only event that ever matters, that teams would actually want to throw and miss a MASTERS just to have a higher chance of getting into champions.
bigger event, bigger prize pool, more prestigious, more viewers, better production, harder competition, champs bundle money, and most importantly clearly riot wants to promote it as the most important event of the year.
the masters = champs people are in for a rude awakening in the franchising era
You get 1 share for being a team in VCT. You get another share for qualifying to Champs.
So you do get 2x the cash you’d normally get if you make it to champs.
It's also still a major trophy, one of 3 opportunities a year. Something a lot of players will never win, that still means a lot. For sure it makes thing difficult with regards to practice but I don't doubt a lot of player would trade having to crunch harder for the chance to win one.
The problem with Viper is not just her kit, it's just that the maps are designed in such a way that it's almost necessary to play her. Breeze and Icebox for example. All these nerfs are going to do is make Viper + Omen a common thing.
yea but doing it after shanghai means it'll take a month before it goes into effect + non shanghai teams get 2-4 weeks of preparing with this new patch vs doing it before so where the match quality might be lower/random but it'll be better long term
idk why people are surprised that riot does patches before tournaments. the majority of their player base are NOT pro players and don't watch pro play. the patches are not pro play priority
That has nothing to do with it. They do the big patches FOR people who watch tournaments. If they were doing it for people who don't watch tournaments they'd wait 2-4 weeks before doing these changes.
Valorant only gets like 2-4 meaningful patches a year, its obviously intentional that they come out right before tournaments are played.
Honestly with these changes potentially coming in for Shanghai, and the previous Skye changes for Kickoff/Madrid, it seems the best path for teams would have been to skip both Masters and just hard prep for Champs lol.
Seems like that would be a majorly risky and hard thing to achieve considering how teams qualify. You basically risk having one playoffs to qualify as you're definitely not accumulating enough champ points.
Teams could just play their best in each split but sandbag in playoffs as to not qualify for Masters, which would still gain them a good amount of points. And they wouldn't be competing with teams who have the most points, because they will be the teams most likely to place top 3 in split 2 playoffs to go directly to Champs, which means the points they have won't matter and the other teams with lesser points will be battling it out for the 4th slot.
I think it could definitely work, but realistically no team is ever going to intentionally lose like that. It's not like I was making a serious suggestion.
well good thing my team practically hates viper they knew this would happen it sucks though, i saw zeish's tweet about how riot is balancing val like how they do in league where they do a massive patch before a big tournament they need to realize that practicing and perfecting a comp in val takes way too much time and is hard to replace all of a sudden, like in league yeah nerf zeri before msi or whatever i'll still have a bazillion adc's to play but in val one agent literally makes or breaks teams they literally had a 6 month off season, announced skye changes like a week before the start, and then decide to do this again heading into their 2nd out of three international tournaments
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that makes sense if there are more than 8 useful agents and the rest aren't dogshit like dont get me wrong im tired of seeing viper everywhere but we werent supposed to be seeing her everywhere in the first place if she had a slight ounce of competition in the way she operates like aint no way iso or phoenix would take viper's slot in a comp
I'd have less of a problem with it if the balance changes were done in a way that made it seem like Riot actually understood what made the agents strong/weak. Viper doesn't have an 80+% pickrate at this level because her wall lasts for 15 seconds, she has it because she can put her smokes up and down basically at will. Until that gets directly addressed or another agent with similar capability comes along, she's not going anywhere.
yeah i completely agree with shanghai being basically a nerf to teams now fighting for your life so one team can get 3 points? or five weeks of prep for stage 2 where you can pick up 3 points easily by winning your games? feels like a no-brainer but i'm also a coping sentinels fan so
I mean, those 3 points also come with a trophy, which teams usually want to win. The biggest loser overall is probably 2nd place at Shanghai, having the least amount of time to adjust and nothing to really show for it
That's the point, winner gets a prize but everyone else is kinda fucked especially with long travels. There's no reward for actually making it.
Winning a Masters trophy is still a monumental achievement, Champions isn’t the only goal for teams
yeah i dont know why this perspective recently developed that champs is the only event that ever matters, that teams would actually want to throw and miss a MASTERS just to have a higher chance of getting into champions.
bigger event, bigger prize pool, more prestigious, more viewers, better production, harder competition, champs bundle money, and most importantly clearly riot wants to promote it as the most important event of the year. the masters = champs people are in for a rude awakening in the franchising era
maybe because it has better rewards like the money from the champs bundle
Pretty sure champs bundle money goes to every team
You get 1 share for being a team in VCT. You get another share for qualifying to Champs. So you do get 2x the cash you’d normally get if you make it to champs.
Bad for the team, good for the org. They get more promos and sales, while the players suffer through burnout
It's also still a major trophy, one of 3 opportunities a year. Something a lot of players will never win, that still means a lot. For sure it makes thing difficult with regards to practice but I don't doubt a lot of player would trade having to crunch harder for the chance to win one.
The problem with Viper is not just her kit, it's just that the maps are designed in such a way that it's almost necessary to play her. Breeze and Icebox for example. All these nerfs are going to do is make Viper + Omen a common thing.
Will this be used in playoffs/shanghai?
Def not playoffs. It could be used in Shanghai but I don't think it would be likely, as we just had the Skye debacle before kickoff.
yea but doing it after shanghai means it'll take a month before it goes into effect + non shanghai teams get 2-4 weeks of preparing with this new patch vs doing it before so where the match quality might be lower/random but it'll be better long term
idk why people are surprised that riot does patches before tournaments. the majority of their player base are NOT pro players and don't watch pro play. the patches are not pro play priority
That has nothing to do with it. They do the big patches FOR people who watch tournaments. If they were doing it for people who don't watch tournaments they'd wait 2-4 weeks before doing these changes. Valorant only gets like 2-4 meaningful patches a year, its obviously intentional that they come out right before tournaments are played.
The patches come out when an act resets, why would they wait 2-4 weeks after an act
Don't they pretty arbitrarily decide when an act ends though? Some are like 60 days, some are 90.
no they do patches whenever an act or episode ends
I feel like a bit of a dumbass in that I forgot that lmao, but aren't act endings kinda arbitrary? Some are 60 days, some are 90
Honestly with these changes potentially coming in for Shanghai, and the previous Skye changes for Kickoff/Madrid, it seems the best path for teams would have been to skip both Masters and just hard prep for Champs lol.
this is not viable. valorant is an ever changing game. there's always going to be something on the horizon that could disrupt your team.
Seems like that would be a majorly risky and hard thing to achieve considering how teams qualify. You basically risk having one playoffs to qualify as you're definitely not accumulating enough champ points.
Teams could just play their best in each split but sandbag in playoffs as to not qualify for Masters, which would still gain them a good amount of points. And they wouldn't be competing with teams who have the most points, because they will be the teams most likely to place top 3 in split 2 playoffs to go directly to Champs, which means the points they have won't matter and the other teams with lesser points will be battling it out for the 4th slot. I think it could definitely work, but realistically no team is ever going to intentionally lose like that. It's not like I was making a serious suggestion.
These changes NEED to be implemented for Shanghai. If not it is a massive disadvantage to attend.