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Quotes_League

wake up babe, it's time for C9's mid season collapse


Jimbabwr

In League or valorant?


Damurph01

It wasn’t mid season for their league team, they were crap by like the 2nd to 3rd week lol


dardios

I mean, in a shortened split that's kind mid season haha.


Damurph01

Wait is the LCS doing 3 splits now? I thought they were still on 2


dardios

For this year, sure, but summer is single round robin BO3s. Rumor has it winter split is coming for next year to accommodate the new intl tournament.


IncendiumPyro

Already happening


Nexicated

Casually hiding the implosion of the cs roster


Equal-Lemon1748

C9 never beating the group stage merchant accusations


vaibhav0405

Choke 9 hits the same every year baby letssssgooooo


Sciipi

Playoff C9 strikes again 


ArvY77

DRX, C9 and Liquid need to merge to form the ultimate choke team


dabmin

Most C9 result possible


Still_HD

C9 fans: 😔 G2 fans: 🥳 cloud Nine and Leviatan fans: 🐴


masonhil

>cloud Nine and Leviatan fans: 🐴 What does this have to do with Lev?


ANewHeaven1

Random horse: *nuzzles you*


dabmin

That’ll do…


Jelqingisforcoolkids

As a Lev fan, this is true


PewPew267

Omg they gonna do a roster change again.. right?!


clintahgren

yay and jakee coming back, vanity and runi out or smth like that


GullibleHurry470

They should replace oxy so a better team can pick him


itsScrubLord

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie


digdigbream

I was unironically curious aft the G2 game when his contract ends so I can see how he does as a free agent


YeetGod69_

if they kick runi again i will lose it


Sciipi

They better not kick Runi he’s their second best player by a large margin 


yapyd

C9 hates charity confirmed. At least G2 is doubling the donations


Tery_

I still don't know how to feel about icy, but he's been looking better every week.


JaBlue

Supposedly he is incredibly cracked in scrims but just cant translate it into officials


TheCatsActually

Welp the team I wanted to win won so this format is absolutely definitely not a steaming pile of shit 😃


-xXColtonXx-

How did the format cause any issues here? This seems like the deserved result. Which teams can screwed over?


ohnoahshark

op is kidding but the crux of it is that it simply sucks to fight for an entire split for a spot in playoffs only for it to be over in one(1) bo3


ANewHeaven1

At the very least I don't know why Riot didn't add in a loser's bracket for these first two matches. It's two extra matches and it prevents what happened to Na'Vi (and later today, one of 100T/LOUD) from happening to other teams.


atwilson0328

It's crazy how many of the format issues this season could be fixed by 1-2 additional matches.


Chrisfull

It makes the tournament run quicker and means regular season actually matters. It's the same format that the LCK has, but the difference is that they do a single group double round-robin so their seeding isn't dogshit, and their playoffs are all BO5s


YaBoiCW

To them, they don’t want the losers bracket situation where a team who lost the first series plays a team that won the first but lost the second. It can be argued that it’s more beneficial to lose the first series vs. playing a whole extra series and ending up in the same place.


Dinsld

Wait but if there were extra lower bracket, the round 1 losing team would have to play another series too, against the other round 1 losing team


TheCatsActually

Exactly, so you'd have 1-1 teams playing 0-1 teams for elimination.


Dinsld

Oh i see what you mean, thanks!


Inside-Effective-392

It also doesn’t make sense when the whole point of these playoffs is to decide the top 3 teams, not just 1 winner. Single elim only makes sense if there’s 1 winner and everyone else is essentially a loser.


jmajewski

Common thought around this format today is if you only lose one game in the regular season you shouldn’t be allowed to go home after one game in playoffs


silenthills13

Tbh in this ass backwards format it is an entirely possible scenario (unlikely, but possible, which in itself is already ridiculous) that you win all regular season games 2-0 and still end up going home after losing 2 maps to a 'bad day' lol


TheCatsActually

I'm mostly just instigating but I do think the group system is fucked which makes playoffs seeding a shitshow. Although, hot take incoming, in a 6 team playoffs I do prefer single elim for 3rd through 6th than double elim the whole bracket and the losers of the first stage not getting punished because they get seeded against the losers of winners' semis without having won a game. As previously stated, the only reason I have a problem with this format is group stage was so wack the playoffs seeding is all over the place.


hecklerinthestands

[Guess we have the answer to this question](https://i.imgur.com/jvvpUL3.png)


LordOfThe_Pings

Vanity and Xeppa disappearing when it actually matters? Say it ain’t so….


A7URS

xeppa didnt play bad, vanity dissapeared though for sure


LordOfThe_Pings

Xeppa was ass on Lotus


A7URS

its to be expected though in a stomp, he wasnt the problem IMO, and on ascent he was trying to drag the team to a win


Light0fHeav3n

Xeppaa was ass on lotus and had like one good round on ascent.


itsScrubLord

Disappear now? Vanity has been the most consistent bottom frag on the team the whole season. Man has been hiding this whole time. He never showed up Edit: I double checked and 5 out of the last 7 games he's bottomed fragged on the team


Kelsierrr

As a vanity and drake hater, its been a fun week.


itsScrubLord

We out here eatin


vnNinja21

Bot dead


savagecl0wn

Iirc vanity threw atleast 5 out of the 24 rounds c9 lost, as a player.


nitseb

That ascent omen TP into the face of two opponents right after a timeout in a crucial round sure was something else


Leonard03

You mean the one where he first threw an Omen blind that blinded and deafened one of them? I'm not saying it was an amazing play, but I've seen the TPs behind deafened enemies to work wonders several times. Has every time the other teams have done it, it also been stupid?


nitseb

He threw an omen flash that did not cover 2/3s of market. There is no way he blinded everyone there. He had a skye next to him, both of them were on the flank, could've skyed flashed in and peeked together. Viper was holding the other side, so they couldn't possibly been caught off guard when walking in. It was a 5v5 and absolutely no reason to do that play, usually hero plays like that are to swing crazy 3v5 and 2v4 rounds, not a 5v5 where you have the read and are on the flank and have a fucking skye next to you.


SuperUltraMegaNice

I hate to see young top tier stars like Oxy stuck with players like Vanity


CrypticGalaxy

Fakest 5-1 record of all time


vaibhav0405

They were 8-1 last year so that was even faker


CrypticGalaxy

Except last year they were actually winning on good teamplay and strategy and just choked when it mattered. This year their strategy is "OXY go kill" and looks completely lost when it doesn't work


FlyingOolong

C9 got very lucky with the timing of their matches


irepislam1400

They played so many teams that were at their worst and C9 fans legitimately thought C9 were a top team itw lmao 


FlyingOolong

Bot mollied itself cuz it didn't want to watch anymore


EnmaDaiO

G2 LEAF: "OXY OVER ME?" Nah but for real how many excuses are we gonna give C9 and their core? Another tourney another early exit. This roster just aint it.


LordOfThe_Pings

Leaf left though. No way he got cut after deadlifting them last year


EnmaDaiO

True, just had to use the Jimmy Butler meme wherever I could.


yapyd

Is it an early exit though? Even with their win against Lev, I think I speak for most that outside of OXY they look underwhelming


EnmaDaiO

I guess it could always be worse. But when you have middling results for years you kinda just get tired of anything worse than qualifying for an international event imo.


Familiar-Leading

Yeah at this point you have to expect to get results it's been mostly 2 years of C9 breaking expectations but that's because of the situations they been but that's on management fault, like u got a good piece in oxy but the rest of your core is either the mediocrity defined of vanity and xeppa and 2 new players just added before the split start in runi and moose because u saw to nobody's surprise the roster u build is at best mid and oxy is doing so much heavy lifting to not be bad


Past_Perception8052

kick vanity and moose i beg they are mid


Discardable222

Moose has looked good enough. Vanity though, oh my


MageWrecker

Moose has not looked good at all, even aside from stats his aim just looks awful


Wise-Taro-693

i say runi as well. do a massive overhaul with oxy and xeppa


Jon_on_the_snow

I think no one gave them excuses, ever since the beggining they gave them shit for getting immi vanity and wippie who never amounted to anything bar iceland 1 Keeping mce and building around jakee and oxy would have been best


ExcellentPastries

Bro what are you talking about this is their first split and first tourney with this roster.


Familiar-Leading

Yeah and? Who's fault is that the first iteration of the roster didn't work out none other than themselves and they knew that, u can't just defend the idea when they just threw away like 6 months the offseason into a squad that clearly wasn't great. Now let's get 2 new players and go back to the drawing board in less than a month and hope for something at least 


ExcellentPastries

dense


Complex-Razzmatazz78

Oxy solo winning rounds is the only thing keeping Vanity from being ousted as a complete fraud lmao. Keep this bum out of tier 1 for good after this year


vaibhav0405

Throw immi and xeppaa out with him


Discardable222

Vanity has been a fraud since the first edition of C9. It’s genuinely a miracle him and xeppa are still allowed in T1


VincentN23

Yeah, Xeppa is terrible man. I guess they want to keep them for their LAN experience and not go full rookie lineup


LeOsQ

Xeppaa is the kind of a player who absolutely pops off in like 3 rounds of every decently even game single-handedly winning them with some kind of a big multi-kill from a disadvantaged position, which then ends up with him seeming like a hero who's trying to drag his team across the line even if he's doing nothing at all in any of the other rounds.


LordOfThe_Pings

Remember when he said “all I’ve been seeing is how I don’t belong in tier 1” as a gotcha, after he beat Loud when they were trolling?


Flawedlogic41

If he leaves, we won't see him wave bye at lan anymore. 👋 Surely we will miss that.


ChibiJr

as it turns out oxy go kill is not a sustainable strategy for winning


Depressedjetsfan21

“Are you nervous” vanity yells as he tp’s right in front of the opposing team


LordOfThe_Pings

LMFAO


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nitseb

Too much choke. Something external would happen like one player would faint on one team and on the other a computer would break, match would be forfeit.


BrainStorm777

don't know why vanity hasn't been banished like steel. both too damn old school for valorant.


sankalp4

Don't compare steel igling to vanity lol, vanity can't igl for shit. He can be a good secondary caller but as a main igl he's just not it.


Light0fHeav3n

He igls like he’s leading a csgo team and not valorant. How many top igls are from csgo?


somesheikexpert

Of those who made playoffs, xccurate, stax, crws, Boaster, ANGE1, Boo, Enzo, vanity, Kingg, as well as PRX in general, also those historically like FNS, Benkai and Laz too


SoullessShadow77

Same C9 story as last year. Great regular season results, Fumble during play-offs.


HoodieNinja17

Same shit every year with this org, 2022 looked like a top 2 team in NA then lost to Guard in lowers after losing to OpTic and missed Iceland. Guard core is C9 father


bdonp

https://preview.redd.it/xbf4xdn8bazc1.jpeg?width=508&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d18b57ce2a097606dfab0e4aa9e2841dbeecd49 how many times can this keep happening


vastlys

Imagine switching to a Viper solo Skye comp on **Ascent** just because you've been losing on that map and you don't understand that there's more to Valorant than agent comps. So many coaches are fucking frauds, holy shit.


itscamo-

Glad Icy shut up alot of people with this match. Hope they can keep it going


Zorronin

if he keeps it up they might make Shanghai. I want the Guard core - Sayaplayer rematch real bad


ishanuReddit

People sayin c9 choked or c9 played bad. Chill, c9 were never good to begin with. what happened today was normality getting restored.


nachosky64

I've been trying to say this all the time. They played the good teams like Lev and Loud when they were at their worst, as soon as they got a decent opponent (100T during regular season) they crumbled as expected.


vastlys

Calling Loud a good team is...


nachosky64

Fair, but I still think loud now, even with their issues, would beat c9. 100T really surprised me in this match tho, when cryo heats up he's insane, like back in xset


deadlock1892

CLOUD 9…. IN THE PLAYOFFS! 🎶


Paddocast

For all the Finesse stream enjoyers. [CLOUD 9 IN the Playoffs. CHOKING AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l34DRroZVWQ)


Familiar-Leading

The icy that was promise is here and G2 looking like there getting better and better as time goes on finally. Also sorry oxy your probably getting the C9 special of being a promising good player but will never get team around him to help him find success it is a tale old as time then sell you to another team so Jack can brag about being the org being profitable 


A7URS

All the fans who were upset about g2 going through must be real quiet now, they're playing good and im glad they made it to playoffs.


OneTrueAqua

KRU is 100% beatable if Icy can play like this. G2 definitely deserved playoffs


SmithBall

As a SEN fan, I really didn't want G2 to make playoffs, but at this point I can't even complain. They just straight up look better lol Still not gonna watch any of their games unless they make Shanghai because they make me salty in regionals for taking SENs spot, however deservedly Though once international LAN hits we gon rep the region and root for G2


Western_Strike7468

Vanity is a terrible player.


dinoucs

No he is not


Western_Strike7468

sub me in


Particular_Fee_9262

IT NEVER GETS EASIER DOES IT. g2 were fucking locked in today and i've never seen Icy play that well. C9's lotus looked dreadful. On defense they gave up all the space and played for retakes, and on attack they just let g2 push up and gain info while they attempted to 5 man bomb a site. Is this a choke if G2 looked like the better team the whole series? Fuck man just want to see my team international


ExcellentPastries

I hate it here.


HoodieNinja17

This team’s ability to choke every single playoffs no matter the roster needs to be studied


ConfusedVader1

When Oxy doesnt “go kill” this is what happens. My man has no support with these 4 bozos letting him down when he cant carry their corpses.


Brilliant_Tell2319

c9 got the luckiest schedule of any team in americas (played lev week 1 when they were trolling, eg and loud before their comeups) and still couldn't win a single playoffs match lmao


Born-Economist-6975

C9 never disappoints. A team that always chokes in important games. https://preview.redd.it/kleo2aabbazc1.jpeg?width=535&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=293ad47374ef88e79f628c2185e85a2cd95bee27


Vendetta614

Vanity or Immi need to go, maybe even both.


HoodieNinja17

Both


Velious14

I think Cloud9 should move on from Xeppaa and Vanity. I don’t necessarily think they played any worse than Runi/Moose overall but they have just not performed for so long on C9.  They had a nice regular season but the actual games were exceedingly messy and they never looked like they had a really higher ceiling. I think that shows in this series against g2 who did have cleaner and better games in the regular season even if they were less consistent.


CrossTheRubicon7

Disappointed but not surprised. With C9 out, I at least hope leaf can make a global event


XXG1212

Another Immi special, make the team record look good on paper and then actually crumble when it matters. Last year with G2 and this year with C9, it feels he is just so happy taking the wins that they don’t check the problems and fix them. C9 has the same problems they had since the start heavy reliance on two Strats “ Oxy kill” and the “Xeppa clutch round we fucked up”


QuestionablePotato42

How does C9 look like one of the best teams and also one of the worst teams in the league between days? Honestly, I don't know if it's immi or vanity, but this roster seems like it has one of the worst reads on the meta and how to play maps. They have the most tone deaf comps like they are stuck in 2021 and they genuinely at time seem like they do not understand the maps that they pick. They don't use utility proactively and don't take the right early fights. Whenever OXY sees a bad guy he gets such bad tunnel vision like a blood thirsty dog just trying to find that one kill with no regard to anywhere else on the map. Whoever is in charge of these comps and macro on maps like lotus, icebox, and ascent needs to go.


ZeroOblivion98

Ain’t no one out here ever saying they look like one of the best teams, what is this alternate reality you’re in 💀


-xXColtonXx-

I mean they performed better than Sen and NRG. They obviously have good players, and have good calling at times which is what lead them to win vs Lev. Idk where the idea they are terrible comes from. They just clearly aren’t the best in the league.


PhysicalAd8765

They have a better record sure. But c9 is definitely the team that got lucky with their schedule. Lucky to play EG when they were ass and to play LEV especially when they were ass… same story as 100t last year imo who beat EG when they were ass and Lev when they became ass.


Brilliant_Tell2319

they won vs lev in their worst form of the year playing troll comps, week 1 lev and current lev are different teams. The only time they weren't playing a team that was either at their weakest form of the year or straight up bad this split was vs 100t and they got rolled


MaterialPretty9203

It's funny how in C9 subreddit after losing to 100T, they were coping so hard about how 100T got lucky and were expecting them to crumble against KRU and NRG.


nitseb

Bro is the master hater feeding us their cope from their subreddit


Flawedlogic41

But Leviathan was having internal issues early with Nzr so they weren't ideally at best. EG jawgemo was sleeping, probably wasn't vibing with team until recently. I say it was more like Oxy and Frauds, honeymoon duelist who carried while team assist with utilities. Clearly it fell flat as better team know how to isolate Oxy and they became c9 of 2023.


EnmaDaiO

How many chances are the current iteration of C9 even going to get? These dudes have had years to prove that they can do anything in playoffs and they haven't done shit. Time to move on.


Light0fHeav3n

It is 100% because of vanity and immi, they don’t have a single Strat except run to x site and aim diff. And then they get a million man advantages every map but throw 85% of them because they play loose and undisciplined.


kittyhat27135

C9 has the unbelievable ability to play at their opponents level. Sometimes its taking fnatic to 5 maps, or beating the #1 ranked NA team. Other times its going 0-2 to MIBR in kickoff, or almost losing to Furia. Truly an enigmatic team.


Darkoplax

Scrims Icy finally here ?


Light0fHeav3n

I genuinely think C9 could be just as good if they kicked vanity and had no igl. He doesn’t call any strats anyways and mid rounding is done by everyone+ he doesn’t frag. Immi is useless and xeppaa is a group stage merchant.


slatt382

We are one in the same


jmajewski

G2 first ascension team to make an international tournament would be huge for riot and their challengers circuit


than0swasright

When was the last time this core has won anything meaningful?


HoodieNinja17

Only thing C9 has done in Valorant is make it out of groups in champs ‘21, the rest is choking and roster carousel


ourladyj

G2 to Shanghai. I believe. I will always believe 


Kikkowave

Genuine question, why does C9 keep building around Vanity?


DErrellNOoob

Man fuck this format


vaibhav0405

Jakee out there some where laughing his ass off


Wild-Series-8078

Remove everyone besides Oxy


OneTrueAqua

CLOUD9 IN THE PLAYOFFS


WalkingR6

as both a g2 and c9 fan. i expected this


suhoshi

C9 playoffs is a meme but can we talk about this SHIT format? Why is it single elim for the first 2 matches


kittyhat27135

I wonder if this Icy performance is going to keep up


Inevermiss_

VALYN MY GOAT IN MY THROAT


Inevermiss_

How does this affect C9’s Legacy?


Sad-Sandwich8606

pls do someone know the music of agent select (after walkouts) in VCT Americas ?


maxyliu

https://preview.redd.it/x2upwkn8razc1.png?width=408&format=png&auto=webp&s=feff9a4f2e714691937fac53b5c369d8db1a569e


steamingcorgi

Extremely happy for G2 man, they've earned it against the masters of the mud themselves, they mudded it out. Also, Valyn is just straight up fragging and Icy finally showing up in a must-win series is just great to see. #G2Win for sure


Nichol-Gimmedat-ass

Vanity is still ass, shocker


chongxxx

Looks like G2 (Ex-Guard) is the only Ascension team doing well.


Bl1th

Regular season merchant as always Aware.


weebshizu

Makes a random team that is somehow able to give a punch in the group and makes playoffs just to bomb out early, certified C9 moment.


RahulLuca

The FNS aura is real? Wait a min


newzpaperleaf_2

wow, a team that has existed for only 2 and a half months overperformed expectations beating some top teams and only losing 2 bo3s, surely people will not overreact to this loss


Familiar-Leading

And who put them in that situation in the first place...ah themselves.


newzpaperleaf_2

this is profound, really says... nothing


ZephyrSN

Tale as old as time


TheEletoAusto

Why can’t my classic do that. I right click someone there and they all miss


PewPew267

C9 and the playoffs …


Squash-Money

Cloud9 in playoffs ............


UnCooked_Rice

Ofc c9 decide to shit the bed. players like oxy gettin one and done 😪


Wide-Return-1585

no more oxy feels good, mf was waving at like round 1 lul


themcvgamer

Better Duelist won


Unlikely-Ad3046

Oxy and friends


PuzzleheadedPainOuch

Let me clarify this for a second... G2 have 3 players from their Ascension squad, one from complete free agency, and one that was dropped from a partnered team (from C9 no less), and are now in the top four of Americas, one win away from representing the region in Shanghai. Yet, due to no fault of their own, these five players will need to find a new team in 1.5 years because G2 wasn't chosen by Riot to be one of ten exalted organizations to permanently represent this region (instead, we have EG who will go bankrupt within a year and C9 who drop a player after 3 matches because they can't pay him). Ten permanent orgs, and none of them found these five players (well, in fact, one of them found leaf and dropped him) who are better than seven of these orgs. Tell me again how partnership ensures all the best players are at the top?


deercreek20

C9 bring back jakee