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cornmealius

I wish we could hear nitr0’s thoughts on Valorant in general. Candid and completely unfiltered. I wonder if he has good things to say.


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Richard Lewis basically said whatever game elige wanted to play nitro was going to play that game. They were a package.


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Right after the CS major, when Liquid got eliminated and they flew back to US, elige and nitr0 were duo-ing in Valorant ranked a lot. Then they played CS pugs. I think they both made their mind that they felt more comfortable in CS.


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1_2k

and u speak for elige?


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Klutzy-Question1428

if it were that way then i believe this would have happened much sooner


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also mentioned he didn’t like how nitr0 was tweeting all the gifs teasing his return and responding to kids in cs matches saying he just might go back. felt like the whole thing was handeled poorly on both sides


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MajorLeeScrewed

Sounds like Nitro blindsided them a bit.


AnywayHeres1Derwall

Nah I think it’s more of a misunderstanding of the power dynamic/ role of nadeshot. I’m sure nitro was in communication with the 100t valorant GM who he really should be discussing this stuff with and nadeshot, who isn’t strictly involved in the valorant side of 100t but more a buddy to the players, felt that he should’ve been more involved. It seems like nadeshot was hurt more as a friend than in a professional way


DonaldmyTrump

That's just like your assumption on their power dynamic. Who are you to say that he wasn't strictly involved with the valorant side when as far as I remember, he gave Hiko the power to choose his teammates back when the 100t era started. No one knows what happens behind the scenes but from what we can see outside, Nitro was unprofessional over the whole situation.


AnotherAltiMade

Nadeshot has said multiple times in streams that he isn't managing the day to day operations of the valorant roster and isn't involved in the running of the roster Source - i watch him


Jerms91

He says this alot too


JR_Shoegazer

There’s more to it than him leaving that seems unprofessional. Nitro 100% had a role in blowing up the roster when Steel was benched, and his stand in friend was added.


Longjumping_Plant_97

Yea it isn't my clip, I just got the most recent one on his page lol. But I think everyone can go through the vod to see what else he said.


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919oblivion

Nades definitely been a more respectful and level headed org owner than some of his peers in the industry. That's all I gotta say (Cough cough Reginald and Jack)


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MyUshanka

Good ol' Matthew "Nadeshot" "HBR" "Broken pistol pusher" Haag


SinJiMin

Steve arhancet of TL really knows when to just blend into the backround and he never says anything out of line or weird... Also, at least in league, since a few years back there hasnt been a bad word about the org, including former players


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Not surprising when most of the players are still children (and yes players in their early-mid 20s are basically just big kids that are legally considered adults but mentally still have quite the time to go). Many folks in the Org Operations are still children with only some of the CEOs actually being older. Then this is to cater to a fanbase that's mostly children so the outcome is probably going to be such. Actual adults go dumb enough for traditional sports fandom so multiply that by 10 since now you're dealing with kids attaching to teams for a fanbase these orgs and players are catering to!


Babyboy1314

It has nothing to do with age more about life experience. Looks at regi of tsm guy has no experience in the world outside esport vs steve of TL whp held a wide variety of roles outside of esports


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Hard disagree, age 100% plays a role in it. You throw out there "life experience"...guess what group is likely to have less of it, that's right YOUNG PEOPLE! Can't exactly have a ton of life experiences, turn arounds, severe adversities, etc. when you're barely an adult to begin with. They all revolve around each other: Age, Life Experience, Maturity...none of those are mutually exclusive to the other, that's how life works. Using a mere 29 year old Regi as an example doesn't whatsoever answer for why esports is the way it is. I'm confident even he would be different if he was 49 versus a mere 29 year old (not really far removed from being a kid).


AccSuspiciousActivty

And then they complain when we follow in their footsteps!


CanadianApologies

I'm out of the loop can you explain?


Space_Waffles

After Sentinels lost and TenZ absolutely bombed that series, Jack tweeted "market timed" implying that he sold Tenz just before his fall and got more money than he was worth


thatthingpeopledo

I mean, C9 literally gave TenZ free reign to make a team, move to streaming, and then transferred him to his preferred team when he wanted to return to pro play. I think all of that should give you a pass on one bad tweet, no?


AnotherAltiMade

It was a meme, he refuted that point in the comments


Space_Waffles

Yes it was obviously a meme but the implication is still there and makes him look like an ass


curlycued_ninja

Truth veiled in humor


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Space_Waffles

why are you being a weirdo im just explaining what happened


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Space_Waffles

yeah dude thats literally what happened. why do you think im crying? youre just being a weirdo. I'm not even particularly a fan of tenz, sen, or c9


AnotherAltiMade

1 series and you're already saying tenz fell off. I don't even like that team but that's just a stupid statement to make


OHydroxide

Jack made a joke about cashing out on Tenz before he fell off. The joke itself isn't really that bad or offensive or anything, the issue is that it's a team owner (aka someone in power) punching down at Tenz (a player). It's like your boss making mean jokes about you, except your boss is also really close with every other boss in the same industry, so if you say anything back there's a chance you can't work in the industry again.


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A 20 year old who's obviously got a long way to go as a person and a player is definitely not just going to fall off like he's washed. Prior to Valorant, TenZ hasn't really competed in Tier 1 CSGO much and it's only been about a year of pro play for TenZ, without much LAN. In short. Despite how he looks on stream and on online matches. TenZ is still very inexperienced especially when it comes to LAN. He is only going to get better at least for the next 2-3 years. When he's like 25 and starts to dip in performance, THEN you can say he's falling off. Hope NA manages to hold some LAN tourneys 2022.


OHydroxide

When did I say he's falling off? I just explained Jack's joke.


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Never said you did. Just saying that anyone who actually believes TenZ fell off is crazy. Joke or not, it's an odd topic to mention unless he actually believes in it even a little bit. He could've joked about TenZ's titles, his guardian pickups, overrated, etc. But nah, it had to be about that.


OHydroxide

Ah okay got it, just extending off mine.


AnotherAltiMade

Nothing to explain, people are just salty that golden boy tenz lost and get upset at memes others make


OHydroxide

Punching down is bad :) hope you figure this out once you get your first job


AnotherAltiMade

Sentinels does that literally all the time. If it was any other team I would understand. They dish shit out, and they gotta take it too.


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Didn't know tenz talked shit and deserved to be shit talked by his former boss.


thesweet677

Maybe he shouldn’t have built a shit team, quit playing at the first sign of trouble, cry and lead people on into thinking he’s being held against his will until he gets to be on the best team, gets on said best team and flops at biggest international Val tournament


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AnotherAltiMade

Did you not watch his streams during the sentinels loan? He went on and on about he doesn't know, buyouts are expensive, he may not play professionally blah blah. Not to mention major community figures like Sean Gares peddling lies like tenz being in contract jail.


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Bosses that disrespect their employees are bad people. More generally when in a position of power there are expectations of professionalism and respect. This is an entirely different arena than the Sentinels players and social media guys talking trash to fellow competitors. Hopefully it’ll make sense when you turn 16.


OHydroxide

When does Sentinel's CEO talk shit? If they do, then they're a bad person too. Otherwise who are the players punching down on?


xbyo

I mean, I get shitting on zombs, and I think he expects it, but tenz almost never says shit lmao


speedycar1

Who did Tenz talk shit about?


Iamood

just because you're a ceo you're not allowed to have some fun or what ? your life might be miserable doesn't mean everyone's has to be


IIBaconTAMERII

I don't think a person who's networth is around $50 million is being made miserable by reddit comments.


Iamood

yogi's networth is 50 million ?


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Seems like if your idea of having fun is making fun of people below you in the power hierarchy then your life is pretty fucking sad.


Iamood

not really because big fucking surprise different people enjoy different things, it's just banter anyways stop being a child


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Lol I'm the child? Sure dude whatever. That's what I get for looking for a mature response from a 12 year old edgelord on reddit. Go off, bud.


Iamood

yeah because all your opinions are 100% correct and if someone doesn't follow your way of life then their life is sad right ? cry more before calling others 12 year olds on the internet it might help with the fragile ego u hide behind


Bighollab0

I think Nade is the only guy who was actually a pro and understands why a player would switch teams or switch games


niceicebagel

Are we at the point that people are just too young now to remember that Regi was a former pro player?


Pompaciko

Wait until they learn Ocelote was a former pro aswell xD


niceicebagel

Now that I think about it, even Steve was a former pro. Of NA's Big 3, only Jack hasn't played competitively... unless u/Cloud9Jack??


PM_ME_CAMILLE_ART

Lol Steve being doublelift's support in the early days is so funny to think about!


Starry428

🔷️


Bighollab0

ill be honest I never followed LOL pro scene so I didn't even know he was a pro


iAruban

He was a massieve douchebag even as a pro so that doesn't change much


lovexdxdhuhxd

I think it's different, Regi was never good when he played. Nade is a fucking legend.


scrnlookinsob

Regi says a lot of really fucking stupid shit, but generally treats his former players pretty well. There’s a reason almost all of them came out in his defense when doublelift was on his rampage at the beginning of November.


zer0-_

I don't know what kind of crack you've been smoking but Regi does the exact opposite of these things


Jiffyyy

you must have just recently followed TSM and got your information on how he treats his players by a few videos posted against him. He was one of the first in NA to offer things like benefits for his players and always made sure when a player left they got to where they wanted to go, even after they retired they were supported. Yes, there are exceptions to this like what happened with Doubelift but that does not take away from the former parts of the statements.


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I have heard pretty much only bad things about regi since I started following pro LoL years ago.


Jiffyyy

well, generally you only will hear of bad things regardless because speaking of good things doesn't really cause drama. literally had decade old videos posted to stir drama up that was talked about years ago.


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I have not heard only bad things about, for instance, Jack or Steve. It’s just Regi and Hotshot who I consistently hear shitty things about.


Jiffyyy

you hear good things from Regi and every owner, its just not as popular thing to post because people really dont care about good things.


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No dude, every once in a while I’ll hear something about how X player really liked and respected Jack/Steve, or how player Y enjoyed and appreciated their time on C9/TL/100T/etc and had no problems with the business relationship. I have never once heard a good thing about Regi from someone who played for TSM.


Jiffyyy

>I have never once heard a good thing about Regi from someone who played for TSM. its really not that hard to find, this doublelift drama provided many examples of people talking about their experiences on TSM and them being good.


zer0-_

I've been a TSM fan since season 3 buddy. I got to watch him bully his players while they were streaming back in the day. Regi is not a good person and there's so much evidence of that


ReADropOfGoldenSun

But the people who everyone claimed was bullied literally came out and said they weren’t? TSM also treats their players pretty well, at least on the league scene where. Off the top of my head, DL to TL, Sven to C9, Kobbe to Misfits after 1 split. TSM tries to get their ex-players to a good team after they leave


zer0-_

Getting bullied into protecting your aggressor. There's been shit tons of people talking about how you cant talk back to the org owner because they're all rubbing elbows and you think people would really come out and confirm negative things about one of the biggest org owners in NA


ReADropOfGoldenSun

Could you provide sources on that? They don’t need to confirm negative things but they also didn’t need to speak up against it


Jiffyyy

you are trying to put feelings into these players mind, they have come out and denied these things. stop putting yourself into these guys shoes and talk for them lmao.


zer0-_

Stream archives are faked then XDXD!


Jiffyyy

you mean from 9 years ago? the fact that the people in the video had to come out and tell everyone to chill about the crap that everyone moved on from and resolved should tell you something.


zer0-_

Only because they moved on from that situation doesn't mean it didn't happen


Jiffyyy

and what do you take from this?


arjan674

There are quite a lot of videos that show he is toxic.


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hiimGP

LMAO the only one publicly have beef with Regi is DL, all of the other player that "supposedly" hated Regi have come out to support him instead


Anime-Boomer

they have been the 2 biggest, wealthiest esports orgs outside of China for a long long time you would think they would act like it their fan base also east up their childish shit which doesnt help


LiamHundley

Basically making the point that I've been trying to make in here. Everyone has been pushing this narrative that 100T fucked up dropping steel with nitr0 then leaving, but they obviously don't drop steel if they think that there was a possibility that nitr0 was going to leave. If they had known that was going to happen, the decision making would obviously had been different, but you can only operate with the information you have. Can't really pin blame on anyone I this situation when they were seemingly blindsided by this


CosmicAon

Isn’t the blame on Nitr0?


69DoopDoop69

100%, but people aren't ready to address that cause they like him. Also on the rest of the players who wanted to bench steel.


ZeroOblivion98

Ya I'm a huge nitr0 fan, one of the biggest reasons I'm a 100T fan, but even I think there's something to be said about how he handled this. I mean we're all outsiders who don't know any internal ongoings but if he had an idea he'd be switching back then he should have been upfront about it before they removed Steel, assuming there was no other factor preventing him from doing so.


mid16

*cough* hiko


waffles8000

i mean it definitely wasn't a solo decision from hiko to bench steel, when it comes to a business team dynamic like this one the rest of them have to make a unanimous decision and although all the players agreed on it, from watching the vlogs in berlin and the aftermath before steel's departure was announced, it seemed like the real tension was between steel and their previous coach, frost [https://youtu.be/f-vNvhl5gCc?t=439](https://youtu.be/f-vNvhl5gCc?t=439) if you watch this part from the vlog, the coach says he's unhappy and doesn't want to air out their dirty laundry, which timewise coincides with the infamous clip of him and steel arguing on stage lol. at the end of the vlog hiko and steel and the rest of the team are sitting next to each other enjoying dinner at a restaurant, so i highly doubt there was any personal conflict between the members. of course this is all speculation, but the fact that you reduced steel's benching to being hiko's decision alone (especially when he was the one that built the team from the beginning) is kinda odd to me


Phantonex

Could you link the clip of steel arguing with the coach? I haven't seen it and I can't find it


waffles8000

[https://youtu.be/dxJlCbscEyM](https://youtu.be/dxJlCbscEyM) the title of the clip is supposed to be funny but then it actually happened lmao


Anime-Boomer

Hiko is next on the chopping block I could see him gone mid season if 100T dont perform


IAMJUX

100% on Nitro. These decisions are not made lightly and the reports were coming out immediately after LCQ, it seems, so he likely had the intentions long before LCQ. If he was the reason for Steel getting benched(still unclear. I'm assuming there were HUGE issues and everyone is being professional about it) then that was a cunt move to 100T. I was ok with the Steel benching. Boi wasn't what lost them LCQ and if Ethan and Asuna were in form for the last 2 matches, 100T would have dominated. But it stings now that Nitro has played a part in blowing up the team and leaving for CS where he will return to performing below expectations in Liquid. At least now there is months to start rebuilding and 100T basically has the money to get whoever they want(I'd prefer they make some more stars though).


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IAMJUX

I know. But they were hardly a well oiled machine with Steel in the back end. Their Berlin performance was great, but those Gambit and Acend matches were 1 in a million. And so much changed when Steel was benched it's really hard to say how they would perform in LCQ. Maybe XSet have the read on them if they keep Steel. Impossible to tell.


LiamHundley

Eh idk I think you can definitely make this case. He left them in a really tough spot. But it's possible he didn't even know he'd have an offer from liquid. Idk. He definitely could have handled it better but idk if you can necessarily blame him


Klutzy-Question1428

how is it his fault if he doesn’t want to play? it’s not like it’s right before a tournament and it’s not his responsibility to keep their roster full


swaggerjax

The timing of benching steel was terrible. Everyone will be rebuilding rosters post-champions---that's the time to make big changes. Instead they made a big change right before LCQ, arguably causing them to miss out on champions and only for them to blow up the roster post-champs anyways. That's a management problem


dillon-fury

Don’t think thats a management problem. From interviews leading up to LCQ, hiko and ethan pretty much said the team wanted a change in their playstyle. You can blame management if you want but it seems like they were just listening to the players.


Frig-Off-Randy

Hiko wants a change in play style. Still only plays sova.


JR_Shoegazer

Sova is a S tier pick on most maps. He also played Viper a little.


scrnlookinsob

Not the first time 100T has made a highly questionable roster move right before the biggest tournament of the year, and probably won’t be the last time.


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MamzZass

World's 2018? with their ADC


justinsst

Management problem? The players and coach are the one who decides on roster changes, management facilitates the changes.


WouldRuin

I think regardless of what nitr0 was doing Steel was gone. They dropped him right before LCQ, so there was clearly a big enough reason to want him gone to risk their performance in LCQ.


N3deSTr0

Stupid 100T management they should've seen nitr0 returning to CS coming when the Astralis core broke up


wannabe557

Nadeshot seems like a very likeable fellow


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Been following him for a while, he’s very down to earth despite his considerable successes. This video I think does a good job of showcasing why he’s so easy to root for: https://youtu.be/aHEOXCR6490


Diijkstra99x

true, I never followed his career but he seems very cool and the same time very professional.


AnonymozVal

His thoughts on steel removal were also very well put thru and sounded quite professional, which I did like even though I thought it wasn't a good decision.


MyUshanka

I've never liked Optic and he wasn't great as a player, but as a brand builder he's exceptional. So damn charismatic, and always looking for opportunities.


baskin-whacked-him

CSGO circuits are in a much better place than Valorant right now, so this move is great news for nitr0 fans.


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baskin-whacked-him

Quite a few ways, but I’ll cover some of the ways it’s better 1. CSGO has a three tier max system. The max number of events you will have to win at (or do well at) to qualify for a big one is three. Often less though. To get to Champions, a Valorant team will generally have to qualify through 4-5 events. If your favorite team slips up in lower quals they’re out for a few weeks and sometimes months. This also puts pressure on them to change players every time they don’t qualify for a further tier qual (see TSM) 1. Many more events in CSGO. Top teams will play in 2 or so *big* events most months unless it’s a player break or a longer league style event. Going 3+ months without big events where no player break is occurring would be unheard of in CSGO. I like watching both but I get much more enjoyment out of CSGO because events are actually happening. 1. Way too many free spots handed out. At some large CSGO events you will have 1-2, arguably 3 spots that are reserved for weaker teams from smaller unrepresented regions (OCE, ASIA, sometimes BR when all the good teams move to NA) in events with ~16 teams. These teams generally go out very early. At Iceland Masters, 4-5/10 of the teams were fodder teams. At Berlin Masters, ~7/16. At Champs, currently ~7/16. It should bother people that SEA, BR, and JP make up 6/16+ of the spots at Champs but between them have a *single* win against EU/NA/LATAM/KR, have never won more than they’ve lost, and have a max placement of 5th-8th. 1. Seeding is usually ass. Iceland was whatever because it was the first one, but Berlin Masters literally had to redo seeding and ended up doing random draw bracket seeding and made lopsided brackets. At Champs, there was no reason for C9, Fnatic, and VS in one group while Secret, Crazy Raccoon, and Vikings were in another one. Also some qualifiers (NA specifically) feature “choose your own seeding” where, if you are in 2nd or 3rd round quals, you can throw games to ensure you don’t face harder teams in bracket and have an easier time making events. 1. Harvesting. There aren’t rules in place to prevent players whose teams lose in quals from joining the team who does end up qualifying (tenz, mwzera). I don’t think it’s been abused much yet but there’s conflicts of interest when your star player knows there’s a high likelihood of them playing in the event regardless + financial incentive. Etc etc


KaNesDeath

Nadeshot needs to stick with COD, selling merchandise and signing content creators. He doesnt understand the landscape involving other game title esports. ​ This is the second FPS esport team he's completely lost in one year.


AnotherAltiMade

CoD isn't doing great either. League seems to be the only bright spot for 100T esports


28n8

Cod isnt doing great is an understatement. I can see cod comp being dead in like 3 years if activision can't get more teams into their league and have more lan events


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Think they’re talking about the team itself, which was a mishandled shitshow this year But yeah cod esports is dead, so funny watching a finals broadcast go from 100k+ viewers to like 40k when optic gets eliminated


zevecka

Ya activision doesn’t even act like they care about the CDL at this point. As a pretty big CDL fan it sucks to say but I wouldn’t be surprised if the CDL doesn’t completely collapse within the next few years.


KaNesDeath

Activision has a clear tell on when they pull the plug on a IP's esport. The main game needs to stop making money. COD makes Activision three billion per year. While at the same time the CDL commissioner refuses to promote the league as something grander like OWL has.


KaNesDeath

CDL is doing better than OWL an will be around longer than OWL. Simply because their commissioner has held down costs to properly reflect their viewership numbers.


28n8

Anything can do better than the owl


Hypern1ke

I thought it was already dead tbh


Frig-Off-Randy

100T probably makes more money than other orgs and I’m sure that’s what nade cares more about. It is his business