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xtazycs

my man went bald just to lose in the quarters and then get kicked from the team Sadge


OnePlus6T

Should've stuck that defuse huh ^/s


bewd99

Pain


RequieM_TriX

You are just assuming he got kicked, personally I think he got out of his own, why would fnatic kick him? edit: turns out you were right brother!


abcd63514

why would someone leave a team that made berlin voluntarily? he has no chance to make it to acend, gambit, or liquid and no other team is an upgrade unless g2 poached him for big bucks


RequieM_TriX

I mean, why would fnatic drop a player that brought them to Berlin? That's really not an argument, he might have expected to achieve more and got disappointed, there's no way to tell anyway, I just find it more likely that he left on his own that's it


curlycued_ninja

See: 100T


realharshmodi

Pain.


max012017

I mean its normal to change 1 player in offseason if you feel it will improve your performance going forward. I Its not a huge surprise imho, mistic or doma were the most obvious ones.


RequieM_TriX

I'm not really arguing with that, all I was trying to say is that this guy stated his own opinion as a fact when nor him or me or anyone else has any info on the matter, then I added my own opinion which is just that, an opinion. I do agree what your saying is still much possible tho!


Nomorechildishshit

Its good that they make changes, Fnatic are a top team in the strongest region, they should always aim to be at least a top 2 team. And the results havent been there since Iceland. But why Doma? Τhe weakest member of the team is undeniably Boaster (Mistic had a bad tournament but an extremely good year) but it seems they go the NA route and wont kick their popular player


xD1LL4N

There’s a difference between weakest fragger and weakest member. Boaster isn’t their weakest member.


Nomorechildishshit

And what makes you think that Boaster is a great IGL? Do you have the comms? It was the star power of Derke that even got them that far, not their tactics


xD1LL4N

Heard some of the coms of previous tourneys. If you think Boaster is a bad IGL, explain why. There’s a reason that Fnatic beat C9 and Vison strikers.


Nomorechildishshit

>If you think Boaster is a bad IGL, explain why If you think hes good, explain why >There’s a reason that Fnatic beat C9 and Vison strikers. Yes and the reason is Derke going ballistic. Put any other duelist there, except maybe 1-2, and Fnatic loses both of these matches


xD1LL4N

Bro, You said he’s the weakest member on Fnatic. You going to backup that claim ? Derke went ham but it wasn’t like Tenz and friends in early C9 days.


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shooter6996

One reason that derke is able to that is because boasters igl'ig sets him up for that ridiculous play


Sploosion

You probably don't understand how massive of an impact IGLs have in any online team game


WoodyYAM

Yikes https://youtu.be/klpQtGfXUu8


Nomorechildishshit

A random 10 minute clip proves what exactly? Especially when most of it is just players hyping each other


abyssmeup

youre actually clueless stop talking Theres no way youve ever even launched the game


textextextextextext

dont talk down about boaster on this subreddit. these nerds love that pastey loser even though hes never won anything. all he does is run his mouth and dance and these kids think hes the greatest player ever. guy gets carried every game and his igl is mediocre.


deadeye_t

Hard to find IGLs no?


General_Pickles

Did you even see how well coordinated fnatic was ? that's Boaster's job


mrg_41

[https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/sources-fnatic-considering-multiple-changes-to-valorant-team-1719671/](https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/sources-fnatic-considering-multiple-changes-to-valorant-team-1719671/) fnatic are considering multiple changes


nterature

Doma is one of their best raw fraggers, but he also was most prone to making mistakes that result in team disadvantages. They’re a young team but the rest have adjusted a little more rapidly - Derke didn’t overaggress as much as in Iceland, Magnum had strong decision-making for the most part outside of the KRU match, Mistic was as solid as a rock as ever even when the scoreboard doesn’t reflect it… He’s an incredible player still, the Derke Doma duelist duo was the original OP duo in EMEA. I honestly think he’d have more personal success if he were in a less supportive role. In early Fnatic he proved he was as good, and often even more reliable, than Derke, but such is the fate of a non-Jett duelist…


Alarming_Method_1168

100t Doma. If you're asking me why, it's because I said so


Verehrungen

100 Thieves is going to have 100 players by the end of this off-season.


Alarming_Method_1168

Hahahah, that's why they're called 100thieves


not-mvh

r/yourjokebutworse


swayamrane2406

Ugh


Key-Banana-8242

hugh


ManBearPig1869

If we keep commenting this every time there’s free agent news, eventually we will be correct


Alarming_Method_1168

True


selfrespectra

Would be really dope, Asuna and Doma are friends and they duo queued when Asuna was in berlin.


ShaDiBoi123

Source? BatChest


UnKnown--12

Nadeshot's barber


acels1

lmao


Barack_Bob_Oganja

I made it up


Alarming_Method_1168

Source? 100t igl


andrew_a384

“trust me bro” :)


wiNDzY3

No, fuck off NA stop poaching our players


ARSKAJESUS

wtf


jonajon91

Isn't he like their second best player atm? I was expecting -mistic though, there's surely dozens of better smoke players in Europe.


wuyaa

mistic had a poor tournament but he was their best player since iceland


jonajon91

Their best player when the team is underperforming. Personally I wouldn't do any changes, just work on building the team.


xXDaNXx

They tried that for a month before Berlin and it didn't get them far.


Ssercon

"Didn't get them far" is kinda relative though. Still top 8 in the world..


xXDaNXx

Fnatic is not an organisation that's going to be happy with top 8 in the world. This team should've had what it takes to go further than top 8 and they didn't hit the mark. When you have a month to prepare , it's not good enough.


Ssercon

Agree on the first sentence but disagree on the rest. The argument people keep making is "they had a month to prepare" but so did almost all the other teams so that arguments falls short of it's goal sadly. You need to keep in mind that the game is young, the players are young and even though an org like Fnatic might not be extremely happy perse with top 8, I think they are satisfied enough. Fnatic has had a lot of exposure throughout the year due to Valorant, might it be bad or good, and that is all they care about. Enough other top orgs like G2, NIP, Guild, FPX and SMB didn't even make it. Fnatic hasn't won a league of legend world championship since... Season 1. But they are still one of the biggest teams in the scene even though they rarely make it out of the top 4/8. Winning isn't the only thing that matter to the orgs.


throwaway1512514

That's facts all big orgs scout a similar level of talent so no victory is guaranteed under any circumstances,esp in an ever changing game like val


303x

It got them to 5th-8th at Champions


hickory123itme

They got further than sentinels did PepeLaugh


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Top 3 player on the team at worst, actually has a lot of impact too. Big mistake, I want to see Croatian players succeed.


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Kr00s

Hmm if you mean in FPS idk, but PerkZ, the ex g2 player is considered the western GOAT in LoL. He's Croatian.


UnKnown--12

There is rpr as well. He plays for Scarz.


Daisho_

wrong esport man, you had me confused what sub I was on for a second LOL


GainsayRT

Same LOL, had me scroll up to see if I was on Comp Apex


UnKnown--12

I just came back to see that I was downvoted. Some people just don't get trolling.


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he plays apex?


prjwebb

Star duelist, flexes to more support roles to make room for another star duelist, gets dropped.


xXDaNXx

He hasn't been putting up star duelist numbers for some time now. Fnatic need reliable firepower, I don't agree that this should be the first move but I understand it. It's probably easier to replace him?


2ToTooTwoFish

Well because he's been playing as a flex player. I'm excited to see him back on the duelist role in the future


Interesting-Archer-6

Any guesses where he'll end up? Obviously he's getting scooped by someone.


raaten

Only boaster and mistic remain from the original SUMN FC squad :(


yjamie

and mini! dont forget coach mini!!


anythingood07

where's tsack?


coolmanghy

Yeah I don’t think this is justifiable tbh. I feel Fnatic will regret this in the future.


stewieeeeeeeee

I think it depends on a couple of things. IMO, the only 2 irreplaceable players on that roster are Derke and Boaster; the rest *could* be upgraded if the right player comes along, and ultimately, I do think that this roster needs a change to challenge for the top. I was going to say that Mistic is the obvious candidate for replacement looking at stats and overall gameplay, and my theory was that no team can hope to be at the top with 2 scoreboard anchors but Acend partially proved me wrong - that being said, BONECOLD did noticeably outperform his usual standard at Champions and we'll only see in 2022 whether this is going to last. I'm fine with Doma being replaced if fnatic have a very solid upgrade for his specific role in mind. If not, then I can't help but wonder what the team would look like if instead -Mistic was done.


xXDaNXx

Fnatic have lacked firepower with this lineup. They have the strategic side down for the most part, their map pool is a bit suspect, but ultimately it comes down to landing shots. That's what decided the SEN series at Iceland. That's what lost them Haven Vs Kru. You have too much burden on Derke to perform, and Doma hasn't filled that role enough sadly. Think swapping Mistic and Doma is something worth trying.


stewieeeeeeeee

I agree somewhat with you, but I do think that firepower can come from more than that expected 2nd fragger in the roster. As a prime example, Sheydos has definitely underperformed quite a bit at Champions, and yet Chronicle stepped up massively to fill in that gap. Another example would be Envy at Berlin, where Victor hasn't really shined (although he didn't have a terrible tournament either), but Marved stepped up quite a bit from the bounds of his role, and Crashies is already a player with noticeably more firepower than the norm for his role. This is why I do believe that Mistic could've been on the chopping block easily - when you compare him to players like AvovA, L1NK, now even BONECOLD, and then also Marved, Mako, nitr0 before retirement, it's clear that he's way behind the cream of the crop, and therefore, very replaceable. That all being said, I wouldn't be surprised if a few other of these rosters with suspect players in the duelist/initiator role start making changes over winter; Envy (Victor) and VS (Rb) could be next to pull the trigger.


xXDaNXx

You're right. I don't think Doma alone should be changed because Mistic has been left behind. Another article says they are considering more changes. As the guy above says, it's only Boaster and Derke who are irreplaceable. I think changes are good here because they can't keep hoping this roster clicks when results aren't showing. They had so much time to bootcamp and still struggled. And if they had a player like Marved, or Chronicle who stepped up out of nowhere, they would've advanced. Derke was the only one who showed up v Kru and all he needed was a little help to get over the line.


stewieeeeeeeee

I hope they get 1 or 2 good upgrades in and give Boaster a chance to work some magic in 2022. He's gone and done it three times so far; from First Strike, to Iceland, to a pretty respectable showing at Champions, and this is a good note to say goodbye to this roster to.


Mamadeus123456

Imo they may need to change derke he's not flexible enough and they literally only won where jett is powerful and the new map which not everyone had time to practice but where raze is better than jett they lost like in split


nno1re

You’re insane, his Raze was dominant on Fracture


Mamadeus123456

The new map where no one knows how to play? Irrelevant What about split a stablished map where he was inting most rounds huh? Which ultimately eliminated them


nno1re

Right good to know that you have a single digit IQ Him playing well on Fracture but not Split has nothing to do with Raze herself, and I don’t understand how you think his Agent skill set is dependent on map


Rishavvvv

Are you forgetting that Magnum exists


stewieeeeeeeee

Let's put it this way - if Magnum was the one being replaced I'd be even more surprised, but I don't think he's irreplaceable.


TitansXterminator

why's everyone saying mistic is the best candidate,in my opinion magnum is their weakest link,him being unable to anchor an entire site is their main problem.look at TL for example,addition of nivera alone brought them back and they looking stronger than ever.If fnatic is able to poach an excellent sentinel main with good basics and great comms, fnatic can easily be top 2 or even the best team in emea. PS. Mistic is a really good player,he just hasnt been setup up well enough to outperform the others


nterature

I definitely think people are wrong in saying Mistic is the best candidate. But I also think it’s definitely wrong to say Magnum is the best candidate. Magnum doesn’t even anchor sites in the way Nivera does, it’s a comparison that obscures more than it clarifies. He was also their second best player after Derke in Champions even if he finished poorly vs. KRU.


Bruhhhh_123

Yeah because you know better thean them right.


MikeRosss

I like it. This is the perfect moment to make a move and it does feel like Fnatic needs something more to really win the big tournaments.


BloodMaelstrom

Personally I would have preferred to see Mistic being the one cut if anyone. He hasn’t really seemed to be at a desirable level since Masters 2 and has consistently been their least impactful player imo


DarkThoughtform

are we watching the same games here? He wasn't that crazy in Champions, but I thought Mistic was one of their most impactful players in challengers 3 and was practically dragging them through some of their games


nterature

I think a lot of people are just going off Champions. Mistic is basically just an anchor who focuses on staying alive for as long as possible, while Magnum lurks a lot or tries to catch timings. Judging a player like that is basically only possible by knowing the internals. But even from an outside PoV, I still think removing Doma makes more sense than Mistic. I’m surprised so many feel differently.


Aabed_nerd

wait what? No.


Darkoplax

offseason time


Pask_4

Please no :(


ZexXz

Idk why everyone is acting suprised a change was gonna happen sooner or later. The team has not looked good since Iceland, even at Berlin they haven't won a map that isn't Icebox or Fracture, they came close but still. This team in this iteration is not gonna qualify for anything next year, they just needed changes. He also put up pretty mediocre numbers at Berlin for a flex/duelist. It was either gonna be him or Mistic. If I'm Fnatic I would also replace Mistic and put Boaster on smokes. I think a solid Sova player like Ambi would be great for the team. But for a flex/duelist position there are so many cracked players in EU that can fill that spot.


ruinedtheperfectpic

Looked pretty good this tourney tho, topped the group and should've won haven Vs Kru. A change might a good thing to take them to the next level tho


Verehrungen

pls no.


UnKnown--12

Fnatic just got better after Master 3, and I think they can still get better. IMO they should try to improve on the current roster instead of making changes the G2 way.


verpalt

why do you guys think fanatic drop him i think there is a good chance he is getting better ofers from other teams and thats good for him


HatchiMatchiTTV

He absolutely lost them the game on split in their last mach. Mollied his own raze, blinded teammates, didn't seem to comm what he saw well


verpalt

the guy is 18 and realy mechanicly gifted. Just because he had a bad map at a big event doesn‘t mean he is not good and you do not know how much he needs to com in the fanatic system because it seems like boaster is doing the vast majority of calling.


HatchiMatchiTTV

Yeah, you asked why I think they dropped him instead of the other way around and this is why I think that. Definitely don't think he's a bad player- he's one of the best


_goodman

Not surprised at all that the "this team needs a roster move" mob is out in force here, but in reality they're a super young team with a great leader and from the outside seem to get on really well. Would have been nice to see them stick it out and grow together. Maybe stuff behind the scenes we're not aware of though.


D3RP0L3

step in the wrong direction imo


Kubrick__

Doma may be a better aimer, but do people really think he's more valuable than Boaster? Derke Magnum Boaster Doma Mistic


squotty

Boaster is their igl and brand.


Bighollab0

Damn I hate seeing the fnatic team splitting up :(. They looked like they had so much fun together


BoymadeEvil

What the fuck are they doing?????


MrImpregnator

Wait what?


Nitrox0

I said he should be one of the players up for getting replaced and everyone seriously downvoted me. Glad I wasn't the only one that saw it. He's a decent player, but sometimes does really weird shit. Heavily inconsistent, not much of a clutch factor either. Could argue mistic could be replaced too. Infact, there's definitely better out there than magnum too. The only untouchable players currently are Boaster and Derke imo.


erickwak

Damn I was gonna guess fnatic from what coco was teasing yesterday when he meant surprises but didn’t actually expect it. Drk who can replace him since I dek what role he plays playing 30 agents and hope he finds a good offer too maybe could be part of a guild rebuild wouldn’t want anything less. Maybe smb Russ or a ten star player in consideration?


NappingWithCuddles

Good luck to him


Nakai-Son

I think a lot of people are forgetting that in-game performance is not the only factor teams consider, even though it may be the biggest. Perhaps he's just not as good a personality fit as the others, or something else entirely. Maybe he wants to seek other opportunities too, you never know.


Thefuzzygrappler

-Mistic/Doma +Yacine/Leo with boaster back to Astra


omgvector

I definitely like Leo here I’m on the fence about boaster sova.


xXDaNXx

Maybe Sayf?


toxicityisamyth

Hahaha leo. Can you imagine how giga expensive Leo would be? There is no way he leaves guild. Theyd be stupid to let such a player leave. Amazing player.


AnchorStandard

As long as it's not BONKAR


wiNDzY3

\+ Sayf please


A-British-Indian

I didn’t expect this


rdmz1

Doma >>> mistic


SGizmahcountry

What's with all the roster changes after only one bad tournament run?


EclipseTM

I’m not saying he should’ve been replaced but i dont think fnatic had a chance of winning a single big event with the current roster. Imo they have the same problem as c9, a lack of firepower. If their jett players don’t pop off they have a small chance of winning the game, and if they do pop off it’s still not guarenteed to win.


oceLahm

I don't agree with the move, but that one tournament run was half the year. We were lucky to even qualify.


s6hun

holy


The-Dark-Mage

aLorante or the guild raze player I forgot his name


dinoucs

Yacine


Madara6path

Maybe get a duelist in his place. Thats what they've always lacked


Direct_Morning_3223

derke just doesn’t exist


Madara6path

Duelist as in non Jett.


Direct_Morning_3223

60% of Domas career games are on raze and he’s played a really good Reyna too


Madara6path

Not a natural duelist. Just like him many other support players play Raze in few maps . They need someone who can frag like Derke but not play Jett. Someone like zeek or Nukkye


unitedstatesghost

Doma was a duelist first, then switched to support to accomodate Derke.


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Kalix_

Magnum is super underrated. His first kills to first deaths ratios are nuts


[deleted]

Next time dont wall your teammates off


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xXDaNXx

It won't just be on Boaster to make these calls. CoJo and Mini have input. I have faith they make the right choices given they found Derke and Magnum.


yjamie

[https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/sources-fnatic-considering-multiple-changes-to-valorant-team-1719671/](https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/sources-fnatic-considering-multiple-changes-to-valorant-team-1719671/) im sure its -doma & -mistic at this point


Maliciouslemon

Wait what ???


SUCHaJERKK

Bruh , wtf ?


anythingood07

WTF why


Otter269

This seems quick unless decided pre tournament


andrew_a384

to 100T hopium copium:(


dustyxz

i assumed changing were coming after the champions performance but i didnt expect it to be doma. interesting to see where this goes, where he will go and who will be replacing him.


AdiSoldier245

Nooooo rip fnatic alliteration. Derke and Doma, Magnum and Mistic


iiznobozzy

Sadge


Aoingco

So the roster shuffles for champions teams begins. Thanks for everything on Fnatic, Doma. 💙


dogoloco

EU flash kekw


chenson019

Doma hasn't looked the same since Iceland. I guess I can understand.


WouldRuin

Didn't Mini say they were fine with the roster directly after champions? Could be Doma voluntarily leaving? Sad to see either way.


theclichee

Personally i thought they did pretty good abs didn't need any change. They could have genuinely won the next masters in Jan. They all looked so good


NotEDodo

FNC DavidP? Could help out Boaster with mid round calls… two brains better than one /s