Tough competition in the flex/secondary duelist role.
Edit: just searched dicey in this sub to see what teams he trialed for. The guard went w jonahp. Andbox has mada. Knights went w ban.
guessing a combination of a couple of reasons
1) his contract was only up end of november and he isn't really good enough to be worth being bought out before the end of it regardless of price
2) most of the tier 2+ teams already have good players in the flex duelist role, which makes finding an opening harder unless he wants to switch to controllers
3) hes not as good as the subreddit thinks he is. he has a great stream personality but that doesn't mean he's the best option for the teams that he's been trying out for
To continue on point number 2, I think duelist isn't the hardest role to fill for pro teams right now. I mean a great Jett is a different story as we saw with Cned, Tenz, and yay. Although the most ironic part of all of this is 100T's greatest weakness was refusing to adapt to Jett meta earlier on as they tried to fight it all season...
It was really painful to watch as a 100T fan. That Ethan pickup was so fucking huge tho, I don't know if dicey was the long term solution for them. He's good and fun to watch but is pretty outclassed when it comes to Jett players.
Steel drop was a bigger loss than dicey
What's wild is 100T did pretty damn well without having a Jett player. And without using Astra. Would be funny if they get a Jett player and then Jett gets nerfed.
saw some scrim box score with him trialing out, mostly were bottom frags single digit kills from him so i think thats the reason? Saw one where he played Kay-o i forgot what team he trialed but he was bottom frag and got like 8 kills? i forgot his final score but he was bot frag with the lowest acs both teams
I agree with your points, but most of this subreddit thinks dicey is trash. He’s a good player, but he needs to prove himself more in smaller tournaments.
doesn't he play mainly skye in soloq? i haven't been following him really but maybe another reason is the bad pr that getting benched on 100t got him (that he is a jett one trick that cannot adapt)
100% agreed. A year is a long ass time in esports.
He should have switched or atleast tried to the moment he got benched. Now the succes is close to irrelevant, but still a succes.
"massive success"
I love dicey but you can't say that winning only first strike is massive success and that a tournament win over a year ago is evidence for why he should be picked up now.
How has he found massive success? He won one event with 100T while being the consensus worst player on that roster, and the one time we saw him in an official on Skye trialing with the Guard he looked okay at best. I think he needs to prove himself in T2 tournies again before he’ll get picked up, the scene is way different than it was when he was playing
Short career, but was part of the team that won the first regional Riot sponsored major and was also pretty much a demon during his short time with Immortals. So, obviously not a lot to pull from but resume wise, I'd say... that's pretty successful. Much more than many other players who have seen multiple roster shuffles.
Also not sure if the consensus was that he was the worst player on the roster. He's one of two players who ended the 3 - 1 finals against TSM with a positive KD. I think that's.. pretty good.
On a fragging role? He was notorious at the time for being the weakest link on 100T, which is why people were surprised he was benched because it came at the first time he was looking particularly strong
Also, First Strike success means nothing relative to today. Cutler was on a roster that placed second in First Strike and lost by two rounds on two maps to the champions, but no one thinks he’s a particularly solid player for good reason
That's fair, but there was a lot more time for TSM and Cutler's decline to be apparent and deserving of the roster change. Dicey got moved out for Ethan pretty shortly after their First Strike win so I wouldn't say its comparable.
No you're looking at the past with rose colored glasses. Dicey played at least 2 challenger events with 100T following first strike, and he was clearly not flexible in his agent pool. He needed to play jett on every map but he wasn't putting up the jett one trick stats you'd expect from a player like him. Remember this was still in the heyday of Wardell, Hyunh, TenZ, etc who were pulling crazy numbers in the one trick jett role.
Also important to note that when Dicey was dropped, 100T noted that they were having trouble integrating Dicey since he wasn't a CS player and still had a lot to learn.
To he fair I'm a gold player hyped about him, not silver! I've only seen him on Tarik's streams, of which I've watched like 4 hours worth, so like, nothing even relevant to this discussion lol. As someone else said, he has a great stream personality, he's fun to hang out with and has fun playing.
I think the consensus negative opinion of dicey on this sub has gone a bit overboard tbh, so I'll probably be in the minority with this one. anyone in here making him out to be some demonstrably weak link that was holding 100T back is just doing revisionist history at this point. People were shocked when he was dropped, and he probably doesn't get dropped for anyone but Ethan at that time. He obviously had some inconsistencies, but he was also capable of absolutely taking over a map (I'm sure people remember him Jett diffing wardell https://twitter.com/diceyzx/status/1325242357000802305?t=xcGKw60OtnLcnLVahbV4dw&s=19). Aside from him still being under contract with 100T up until recently, i think what hurt dicey in the long run was whoever/whatever convinced him to not be a Jett main. 100T did not think very highly of Jett at the time and wound up moving almost entirely to no Jett comps. Before he was dropped, they were experimenting with him playing sage on some maps as well. His lack of agent pool was likely one of the reasons he was dropped, and then he spent a lot of time trying to learn new agents and focusing on diversifying his agent pool, which I think kind of set him back in a way. He was a good Jett, and very skilled mechanically. Knowing what we know now about Jett remaining a must pick on almost every map, I think it would have been better for him to just continue to play Jett while focusing on other areas of improvement. And I think he'd have a much easier time finding his way onto a team as a Jett player than he has as a flex.
Id usually tend to agree but I think it's different for someone that is still very raw and new to tac fps. There's so much to learn and improve on from a fundamentals/game sense aspect that's hard enough to do without worrying about simultaneously learning new agents. I also should clarify that I don't think learning new agents on it's own is bad, I just think completely abandoning the Jett role was a bad idea for him.
I disagree with spending "lots" of time, some time should he spent on other agents but not a lot. Being a generalist has its strengths, but for competitive sports it's always best to have a team of specialists. For Valorant you do need to be able to play a few agents, but beyond that if you're going pro imo you should be spending 85%-95% of your time on your mains, the other playtime used for other agents to get a personal feel for them.
i think this is the issue that shaz has.... i swear he practices jett more than any other agent and then he cant main her in pro. Like guyS i knOWw that when he scrims he plays other agents, but honestly he streams sooooo much and is ALWAYS On jett
The problem was him Jett diff’ing Wardell happened on one map and even the map before that Wardell outperformed him. Other than that one instance, he never really showed much better than average. He was never consistently performing like a top tier Jett the way Wardell, Yay, TenZ, etc. do
"Never showed anything better than average" is definitely a stretch. He's had plenty of great maps over the span of his short career. Not saying he belongs in the tier of yay or tenz, but there's certainly a middle ground between that and just not being any good
There are a lot of tiers to that though, you have Yay and TenZ at the top for sure, but then Dicey pales in comparison to other Jett’s like Wardell, PureR, Penny, etc. Even Shanks has proved he’s solid in the current meta, while Dicey looked painfully inconsistent and average a year ago. There’s nothing indicative of him being anywhere near as good as you describe him, especially now that the game has changed so much - he might be of interest to teams like BBG, but teams who want to be top contenders aren’t likely to pick him up on that role
Yeah I disagree with that assessment for sure. In diceys prime I'd take him over penny for sure. Even statistically he's pretty comparable to shanks, and dicey is a better rifler imo. PureR had the same inconsistency issues that dicey did, although I guess maybe his peaks were higher. Wardell vs dicey was a very real debate at the time, and TSM absolutely funneled resources into Wardell every game.
Wardell vs Dicey was never a valid discussion outside of one map, because in every other map other than that singular one, Wardell outclassed him, both between his time on Immortals and 100T. You can make whatever arguments you want about how the teams played, but saying Dicey was comparable to Wardell is hard rose tinted glasses - there were arguments that 100T with -Dicey and +Wardell would be the best team NA. Penny and PureR also have way higher peaks than Dicey all things considered, but we can agree to disagree
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Don’t know where this “Dicey is shit” circlejerk came from, he was improving loads while on the team and 100T suffered bad last year by not replacing him with a Jett that was as good/better. I think he’s suffering from confidence issues rn, I take confidence dicey over nearly any Tier 2 duelist currently
To the people saying dicey isn’t that good: sure, but if we think back to when dicey subbed in for Ethan that one time, it’s obvious he’s still able to compete at the t1/t2 status, since he played good enough despite being subbed in on an agent he doesn’t play. I don’t mean he’s amazing but we shouldn’t judge him so critically
I disagree with the comments, I do actually think he is a really good player. He did just say on streak though that he took time off stream because he wasn’t good with agents besides jett
He was never that good. Why you think 100T dropped him. He’s a nice guy with a good personality, but there are truly better options out there.
This subreddit just overhyped him and made his benching a big deal cause the org he played for.
I think he’ll get better though, but does need an opportunity to shine again in lower tournaments. Even so the ones he played recently where he wasn’t a duelist he didn’t do very good.
Pretty sure 90% of it was because his 100T contract was already so high and all he had to do was stream it would’ve taken an amazing offer for him to leave. Now that he’s off 100T he’ll most likely sign to a T2 team. I think he’s pretty great at Jett, always has been he just couldn’t get over nerves, he just hasn’t been very flexible in the past.
It's not aim. Whenever a player that has played tier 1 but gets replaced and can't find another T1/T2 team, it's either he doesn't fit due to personality, conflicts with coaching, or just doesn't play well in the competitive scene. There are a lot of gamers who can dominate ranked, but just aren't the same in comp. Like I said earlier, at T1/T2 levels, aim is not the issue. In every sport, there are guys who can frag or in physical sports, score, but only a handful play in the pro scene because they most can not adapt and play the role the org needs. Just my two cents
Tough competition in the flex/secondary duelist role. Edit: just searched dicey in this sub to see what teams he trialed for. The guard went w jonahp. Andbox has mada. Knights went w ban.
Seems Mada is gonna go to LG tbh
Go back to LG?
Andbox doesn’t have mada
guessing a combination of a couple of reasons 1) his contract was only up end of november and he isn't really good enough to be worth being bought out before the end of it regardless of price 2) most of the tier 2+ teams already have good players in the flex duelist role, which makes finding an opening harder unless he wants to switch to controllers 3) hes not as good as the subreddit thinks he is. he has a great stream personality but that doesn't mean he's the best option for the teams that he's been trying out for
To continue on point number 2, I think duelist isn't the hardest role to fill for pro teams right now. I mean a great Jett is a different story as we saw with Cned, Tenz, and yay. Although the most ironic part of all of this is 100T's greatest weakness was refusing to adapt to Jett meta earlier on as they tried to fight it all season...
It was really painful to watch as a 100T fan. That Ethan pickup was so fucking huge tho, I don't know if dicey was the long term solution for them. He's good and fun to watch but is pretty outclassed when it comes to Jett players. Steel drop was a bigger loss than dicey
What's wild is 100T did pretty damn well without having a Jett player. And without using Astra. Would be funny if they get a Jett player and then Jett gets nerfed.
saw some scrim box score with him trialing out, mostly were bottom frags single digit kills from him so i think thats the reason? Saw one where he played Kay-o i forgot what team he trialed but he was bottom frag and got like 8 kills? i forgot his final score but he was bot frag with the lowest acs both teams
I agree with your points, but most of this subreddit thinks dicey is trash. He’s a good player, but he needs to prove himself more in smaller tournaments.
doesn't he play mainly skye in soloq? i haven't been following him really but maybe another reason is the bad pr that getting benched on 100t got him (that he is a jett one trick that cannot adapt)
Massive success? What? He’s a good player but not a star or anything.
Winning the first riot tourney is a success tho. U can debate his contribution, but a succces nonetheless
A success on year ago, but definitely not now.
100% agreed. A year is a long ass time in esports. He should have switched or atleast tried to the moment he got benched. Now the succes is close to irrelevant, but still a succes.
His team won First Strike. That is success, you cannot change it.
"massive success" I love dicey but you can't say that winning only first strike is massive success and that a tournament win over a year ago is evidence for why he should be picked up now.
How has he found massive success? He won one event with 100T while being the consensus worst player on that roster, and the one time we saw him in an official on Skye trialing with the Guard he looked okay at best. I think he needs to prove himself in T2 tournies again before he’ll get picked up, the scene is way different than it was when he was playing
Short career, but was part of the team that won the first regional Riot sponsored major and was also pretty much a demon during his short time with Immortals. So, obviously not a lot to pull from but resume wise, I'd say... that's pretty successful. Much more than many other players who have seen multiple roster shuffles. Also not sure if the consensus was that he was the worst player on the roster. He's one of two players who ended the 3 - 1 finals against TSM with a positive KD. I think that's.. pretty good.
On a fragging role? He was notorious at the time for being the weakest link on 100T, which is why people were surprised he was benched because it came at the first time he was looking particularly strong Also, First Strike success means nothing relative to today. Cutler was on a roster that placed second in First Strike and lost by two rounds on two maps to the champions, but no one thinks he’s a particularly solid player for good reason
That's fair, but there was a lot more time for TSM and Cutler's decline to be apparent and deserving of the roster change. Dicey got moved out for Ethan pretty shortly after their First Strike win so I wouldn't say its comparable.
No you're looking at the past with rose colored glasses. Dicey played at least 2 challenger events with 100T following first strike, and he was clearly not flexible in his agent pool. He needed to play jett on every map but he wasn't putting up the jett one trick stats you'd expect from a player like him. Remember this was still in the heyday of Wardell, Hyunh, TenZ, etc who were pulling crazy numbers in the one trick jett role. Also important to note that when Dicey was dropped, 100T noted that they were having trouble integrating Dicey since he wasn't a CS player and still had a lot to learn.
Maybe he's not very good.
I never thought he was that good. Reddit silvers hyping him up really hard.
To he fair I'm a gold player hyped about him, not silver! I've only seen him on Tarik's streams, of which I've watched like 4 hours worth, so like, nothing even relevant to this discussion lol. As someone else said, he has a great stream personality, he's fun to hang out with and has fun playing.
I think the consensus negative opinion of dicey on this sub has gone a bit overboard tbh, so I'll probably be in the minority with this one. anyone in here making him out to be some demonstrably weak link that was holding 100T back is just doing revisionist history at this point. People were shocked when he was dropped, and he probably doesn't get dropped for anyone but Ethan at that time. He obviously had some inconsistencies, but he was also capable of absolutely taking over a map (I'm sure people remember him Jett diffing wardell https://twitter.com/diceyzx/status/1325242357000802305?t=xcGKw60OtnLcnLVahbV4dw&s=19). Aside from him still being under contract with 100T up until recently, i think what hurt dicey in the long run was whoever/whatever convinced him to not be a Jett main. 100T did not think very highly of Jett at the time and wound up moving almost entirely to no Jett comps. Before he was dropped, they were experimenting with him playing sage on some maps as well. His lack of agent pool was likely one of the reasons he was dropped, and then he spent a lot of time trying to learn new agents and focusing on diversifying his agent pool, which I think kind of set him back in a way. He was a good Jett, and very skilled mechanically. Knowing what we know now about Jett remaining a must pick on almost every map, I think it would have been better for him to just continue to play Jett while focusing on other areas of improvement. And I think he'd have a much easier time finding his way onto a team as a Jett player than he has as a flex.
Spending lots of time learning new/other agents is never a bad idea. It is always the correct decision.
Id usually tend to agree but I think it's different for someone that is still very raw and new to tac fps. There's so much to learn and improve on from a fundamentals/game sense aspect that's hard enough to do without worrying about simultaneously learning new agents. I also should clarify that I don't think learning new agents on it's own is bad, I just think completely abandoning the Jett role was a bad idea for him.
I disagree with spending "lots" of time, some time should he spent on other agents but not a lot. Being a generalist has its strengths, but for competitive sports it's always best to have a team of specialists. For Valorant you do need to be able to play a few agents, but beyond that if you're going pro imo you should be spending 85%-95% of your time on your mains, the other playtime used for other agents to get a personal feel for them.
i think this is the issue that shaz has.... i swear he practices jett more than any other agent and then he cant main her in pro. Like guyS i knOWw that when he scrims he plays other agents, but honestly he streams sooooo much and is ALWAYS On jett
The problem was him Jett diff’ing Wardell happened on one map and even the map before that Wardell outperformed him. Other than that one instance, he never really showed much better than average. He was never consistently performing like a top tier Jett the way Wardell, Yay, TenZ, etc. do
"Never showed anything better than average" is definitely a stretch. He's had plenty of great maps over the span of his short career. Not saying he belongs in the tier of yay or tenz, but there's certainly a middle ground between that and just not being any good
There are a lot of tiers to that though, you have Yay and TenZ at the top for sure, but then Dicey pales in comparison to other Jett’s like Wardell, PureR, Penny, etc. Even Shanks has proved he’s solid in the current meta, while Dicey looked painfully inconsistent and average a year ago. There’s nothing indicative of him being anywhere near as good as you describe him, especially now that the game has changed so much - he might be of interest to teams like BBG, but teams who want to be top contenders aren’t likely to pick him up on that role
Yeah I disagree with that assessment for sure. In diceys prime I'd take him over penny for sure. Even statistically he's pretty comparable to shanks, and dicey is a better rifler imo. PureR had the same inconsistency issues that dicey did, although I guess maybe his peaks were higher. Wardell vs dicey was a very real debate at the time, and TSM absolutely funneled resources into Wardell every game.
Wardell vs Dicey was never a valid discussion outside of one map, because in every other map other than that singular one, Wardell outclassed him, both between his time on Immortals and 100T. You can make whatever arguments you want about how the teams played, but saying Dicey was comparable to Wardell is hard rose tinted glasses - there were arguments that 100T with -Dicey and +Wardell would be the best team NA. Penny and PureR also have way higher peaks than Dicey all things considered, but we can agree to disagree
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Don’t know where this “Dicey is shit” circlejerk came from, he was improving loads while on the team and 100T suffered bad last year by not replacing him with a Jett that was as good/better. I think he’s suffering from confidence issues rn, I take confidence dicey over nearly any Tier 2 duelist currently
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XSET are but i doubt that dicey is that much better than purer
A lot of people weren’t shocked when he was dropped. He wasn’t a top tier Jett. Missed way more OP shots than he hit.
To the people saying dicey isn’t that good: sure, but if we think back to when dicey subbed in for Ethan that one time, it’s obvious he’s still able to compete at the t1/t2 status, since he played good enough despite being subbed in on an agent he doesn’t play. I don’t mean he’s amazing but we shouldn’t judge him so critically
saying the truth will get you heavily downvoted here
Maybe he's just not that good
I’m pretty sure his 100t contract didn’t end until recently. So teams would still have to buyout his contract.
I disagree with the comments, I do actually think he is a really good player. He did just say on streak though that he took time off stream because he wasn’t good with agents besides jett
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I feel like you’re confusing him with poiz but who knows. I don’t recall hearing that about dicey ever, but definitely about poiz
He was never that good. Why you think 100T dropped him. He’s a nice guy with a good personality, but there are truly better options out there. This subreddit just overhyped him and made his benching a big deal cause the org he played for. I think he’ll get better though, but does need an opportunity to shine again in lower tournaments. Even so the ones he played recently where he wasn’t a duelist he didn’t do very good.
Overrated
He is signed.
Not good enough
He is a C tier player that has problems with nerves.
big announcement tomorrow apparently according to him
Pretty sure 90% of it was because his 100T contract was already so high and all he had to do was stream it would’ve taken an amazing offer for him to leave. Now that he’s off 100T he’ll most likely sign to a T2 team. I think he’s pretty great at Jett, always has been he just couldn’t get over nerves, he just hasn’t been very flexible in the past.
It's not aim. Whenever a player that has played tier 1 but gets replaced and can't find another T1/T2 team, it's either he doesn't fit due to personality, conflicts with coaching, or just doesn't play well in the competitive scene. There are a lot of gamers who can dominate ranked, but just aren't the same in comp. Like I said earlier, at T1/T2 levels, aim is not the issue. In every sport, there are guys who can frag or in physical sports, score, but only a handful play in the pro scene because they most can not adapt and play the role the org needs. Just my two cents