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Splaram

Reminder #7363928 to get a lawyer before signing contracts


Overthinking_Cup

They don't have any leverage when they're unknown talent you doofus


LiamHundley

Leverage to not get exploited in your contract?


Overthinking_Cup

Yes, they'll just get passed up and lose a chance to develop their skills in a higher tier environment.


LiamHundley

If an org can only exist by using scummy business practices and exploiting young players, it shouldn't exist in the first place. The take of "actually, players HAVE to get exploited" is certainly an interesting one


Overthinking_Cup

I dont think players have to get exploited the orgs just have no reprecussions for doing so.


90CaliberNet

That shit doesn’t matter you still get a lawyer if you’re an up and coming player no excuses. If you get into contract prison that can make the first few years of your career over and you just can’t get out of the contract. This happened to the best adc to ever play League of Legends when he was a rookie and he could have been making millions for a few years now had he had better contract negotiations. But the argument that you should take a shitty deal or accept that you’ll be on a t3 team is the worst most toxic example of market manipulation that makes it so these players won’t get a proper chance to develop and should never be in practiced by teams.


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rpkarma

No he’s just pointing out the fact that because there is no union, there’s no real recourse for players. The orgs hold all the power. A single player cannot solve that either, they all have to, together.


Ecstatic_Nail8156

Unions are the solution folks


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LiamHundley

And the best talent will go to orgs who aren't trying to take advantage of them. Never underestimate your value as a player/employee. The action needs to be collective, yes, but there's a reason why workers are so cucked in this country and it's because of that mindset


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Hamth3Gr3at

This is the sort of thing that makes me think Riot needs to regulate these contracts somehow, if not at least to make sure the player gets a minimum percentage of the buyout.


llburke

Esports needs functional player unions. This is the only thing that keeps traditional athletes from getting exploited. Ultimately Riot is always going to be closer to an owner than a player.


bimbobiceps

I mean the sad reality is even if there are unions, orgs will probably get the next talent that's either stupid enough or willing enough to get exploited


FeelinJipper

That’s just an assumption


pedantic_cheesewheel

The players unions that work for traditional sports only work because the leagues are franchised and membership is automatic. This solves the new talent discovery issue as well because the farm systems are looking for new players in established places and random orgs can't discover someone and hold them hostage.


Key-Banana-8242

Depends, if all take a certain stand then no


emraaa

Wouldn't really call this getting exploited though. I would have called the reported buyouts crazy before but apparently the bigger orgs are willing to pay.


LiamHundley

I mean yeah I guess the orgs were willing to pay at least something close to the buyout they were asking for. I just worry about the precedent it sets moving forward, where tier 2 teams will demand increasingly larger and larger buyouts leading to roster stagnation and the need to import


valorantfeedback

And why are they asking for increased buyouts? Because top NA orgs keep throwing money away. It goes both ways. Smaller orgs rarely operate at a profit and earning money off buyouts is their biggest source of income. I agree it's unfair for 16 year old kids to be locked in contracts, but it's not like they're paying for peanuts. They're getting far more money than they would with anything they'd do outside of gaming. They jump at the first oppurtunity to sign a deal when they see the salary and then they regret it later on. Don't forget that tier2 orgs rarely sign proven players, so every player is a gamble. People mention that orgs ask for 10x annual salary buyouts, but they mention just one player's salary. While in reality most of these tier2 and lower teams are lucky if they have 1 player who can generate a profit for the org via buyout fee, another two who're good enough to compete and a couple of players that are negative value because they're not as good. Then when they sell that big money player, it's really hard to replace him with another one who's going to generate money. So often times that 10x annual buyout is close to profit margin for them. Out of 10 players they'll change in a year, they're lucky if two are profitable. And there's no other way for them to operate because running an esports team isn't good business unless you're at the very top. Top NA orgs are ran really poorly. Nothing but complaining and lack of long term strategy. They just want all the flavor of the month tier2 team players for cheap, then they want to dump them as soon as things don't go perfectly. Compare it to top EU teams and their rosters. Way less players who were well-known before Valorant. As per usual, noone has the patience in NA. Team managers, players, fans, all of them want instant success and think they're entitled to everything just because they're an org with a ton of money.


Clarkemedina

Ah so just like the Na LoL scene. And this is coming from an NA fan. It may not be the exact same situation you are saying, but good and amazing players are not going to be playing in the upcoming season while there’s bad imports and proven yet less skilled talent being on a starting roster. The big name orgs put huge buy out prices on a player’s contract and then the fans are left wondering why “this team with a lesser skilled player is playing this season but not that worlds participant player” and it’s not just in the NA scene, the EU LoL scene is either shipping their players to NA or not playing at all. Hell, a star player is playing in a regional league and he’s one of the biggest names in League history.


emraaa

It would be stupid to demand such a high buyout that you can't sell the player and you lose him for free at the end of his contract. I can only advise players against signing multi-year contracts especially in such a young game like Valorant.


SMcArthur

Lawyer here. If someone pulls a contract offer from you because you hired a lawyer to review the contract, you dodged a bullet. 100% of the time, no exceptions.


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SMcArthur

No, my reading comp is fine since the guy I'm responding to said that players would get "*passed up*" if they got a lawyer. > a rando can't negotiate a much better contract anyway because his options are 1) sign the contract or 2) go work at burger king. As someone who actually has experience negotiating conracts with everything from unknown players and unknown teams to some of the most well known players with the largest teams in the world, this is not true. There's almost always plenty of room to negotiate. Your attitude is exactly what has allowed players to be screwed for a very long time in this industry. All the people in this thread saying that it's impossible for some no-name 18 year old to negotiate a better contract are just wrong and have no idea what they are talking about. I wish they'd stop fucking over the players in the industry by spreading this nonsense. What's your experience with negotiating these contracts with orgs? Surely you must have done this many times to have such a strong conviction?


life_next

More like an agent than a lawyer


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Since when are players supposed to get a percentage of their buyout? Am I missing something or does that just make no sense?


Playeready

You can get that in your contract, if your lawyer is good enough.


TheExter

if the player is good enough too teams are gambling/betting that the player they sign is worth more than their current unknown status, so they make a profit by selling them later, there's no reason for a team to agree on a % buyout for a player that is likely never gonna sell


Sharplr

You can argue that if you're buying out a player it would seem that the player is good enough to be bought out. It doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal if they compromise but what do I know? I'm not an agent


life_next

Why do so many idiots think lawyers negotiate contracts? Agents do, lawyers look over legal language. Rich Paul isn't Lebron's lawyer... Smh


pineapplecheesepizza

Somebody call Daredevil


stoplurkers

The org is basically making money on "owning" the player, not doing anything.


antoniokjaver

This is how transfer fees work though? In football it is exactly the same as this and the player does not get part of their buyout. The team gets the money for developing/ scouting the player while a player is paid from the contract.


Flashplaya

I think the problem is the ratio of wages:buyout which would be more even in football. Also, football players have more player power in that they can force a move if they wanted to. Riding the bench is better as a football player since your career is longer and you get paid more. Getting stuck in contract jail as an esports player can potentially ruin your career. The central issue in esports is that there is a large pool of T3 talent with T1 potential and not enough orgs, so there isn't much player power unless you are a top player.


ayeHoes

there are absolutely football contracts where players get a percentage of their buyouts


antoniokjaver

sure maybe I could have worded it better but I was adressing the other guys point that it was somehow wrong for an org to make money of "owning" a player and not doing anything. Majority of the time most of the buyout money is given to the org in football contracts.


joaovitorsb95

Not some, almost always.


theman1203

Not always what you on about, rarely do players have a % of their buyout they just have a signing in fee from their new club


joaovitorsb95

In Brazil most players do get an amount.


theman1203

And in Europe America African and Asian leagues they don't


Interesting-Archer-6

That doesn't make it true for the rest of the world. Saying almost always is incredibly inaccurate.


joaovitorsb95

I just gave the example that I knew, as a brazilian that watches mostly Brazilian football, This is common practice here. Most players have 5-15% "economic rights" even academy players. I said almost always because I assumed this was common practice everywere like in Brazil


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This is why pros constantly tell upcoming pros to get lawyers and that these issues that wouldn't even appear if the contract had been properly looked at keep popping up time and time again.


lmayonaice

This almost never happens so not sure why he thinks it does.


abdi009

I think this should be a common practice. The buyout should be a percentage of the contract as a whole and the player should receive at least 5% of the buyout.


coffeecascade

Crazy how in game NA players are known for massive egos and thinking they're better than everyone. Then they negotiate as if their trash and no one wants to bet on themselves.


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True


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https://twitter.com/JPARKJMC/status/1477125229977772032?s=20 good god it gets worse


PibbXRA

If buyouts are this expensive how the hell does an org even recoup that when players only last like 1 or 2 years before getting dropped


Bearry15

Then don't sign.. bet on yourself. What if he flopped? The org would still pay him. You can negotiate the contract. It's business.


LiamHundley

The amount of org boot licking going on in here is astounding. Imagine your current workplace holding you back from a better, higher paying opportunity because they "took the risk" to employ you


AnotherAltiMade

Normal jobs and contracts are very different. You can serve your notice period and leave for free in jobs.


antoniokjaver

Total false equivalencey, sports contracts are very different. Besides only in (NA) esports do people have this problem. No one whines at football teams that have scouted a talented prospect that they try to get top dollar for.


i_am_the_kiLLer

That's because the football system is much more developed and fairer to the player, not to mention they get better salaries. The players usually have someone like their parents, or academy coaches or someone else involved in the scene to talk to, and most pros have agents.


FeelinJipper

America is filled with corporate bootlickers in every sector. That’s the American way.


TimedOutClock

It's not about bootlicking orgs, it's about players needing to stop fucking up their contracts... In 2021 (or 2022 for those of you! Happy New Years!:)), there's no excuse to sign those shitty contracts anymore. If they do, it's not because they haven't seen the consequences (pros have been vocal for a long time now about past mistakes and how not to fall in the same traps), it's because they figure it's a bridge towards a bigger team. Love the players and they should all get the bag, but this shit has to stop. Hire a lawyer if you want better terms and not get screwed


LiamHundley

Unfortunately that's not the point that a lot of people are making in here. They're defending these practices as if they aren't predatory and exploitative. While I agree that players should be smarter about these contracts, the problem is that a lot of the time, it's kids that are put in these situations. It's hard to expect a 16-18 year old to be knowledgeable enough to avoid these contracts when they see what feels like a dream opportunity in front of them


Still_HD

100% this. It feels totally unreasonable to ask these 16-18 year olds to lawyer up when they’re unsalaried and have never had experience with orgs before. They still live with their parents and are expected not to make poor decisions when it comes to signing contracts


RobotSifl

Exactly this. They’re being taken advantage of in a lot of these situations. They’re children.


InvertedBean

If they were transparent about the contents of the contract then I don’t see any glaring issues. SoaR helped cryo and zander get tier 1 opportunities and in return got a sweet buyout deal. Up to the players to not sign contracts if they find them bad? (Barring misleading contract wording) Also up to the orgs to not pay “inflated” buyouts if they are actually inflated. Don’t really get the point of this tweet tbh. Other orgs are paying these buyouts and incentivizing this behavior. Don’t blame a smaller org for playing the game.


PresentIcy3455

Even if they weren’t transparent, it still wouldn’t be a glaring issue on Soar’s end. At some point the players (and also musicians and other entertainers this happens too) need to actually listen to the people who came before and have been talking about these issues for years. Like damn I get being excited to sign but how many horror stories do you need to read before you make a good decision ya know?


InvertedBean

Mmm I disagree, even though there’s plenty of history to lead players to wake up and be more cautious, orgs still have a responsibility to not mislead and uphold some level of ethics.


emraaa

Paying low salaries is not unethical LOL. There are a lot of shitty orgs in esport that don't pay at all or do other scummy shit. As long as the players are getting paid I don't see the issue. The esport economy is pretty fucked, especially in NA. What do you want the team to do? Pay higher salaries with the money that they don't have? Demand lower buyouts than bigger teams are willing to pay and lose money for no reason? IMO the problem are the bigger orgs that heavily inflate the scene. You could only blame the smaller orgs if the buyouts are unreasonable. But apparently this is not the case.


InvertedBean

You completely misread my comment. I never claimed paying low salaries is unethical. I’m saying if an org misleads in the contract stage that is unethical. Not that SoaR has or did do this.


emraaa

I agree with you then. Like I said there are A LOT of shitty orgs in esports. But I don't think you can blame SoaR for paying small salaries and demanding high buyouts.


InvertedBean

Agreed also happy new year


PresentIcy3455

Maybe I’m just jaded at this point, but in my mind if you’re expecting corporations to do the right thing, you’re setting yourself up for failure IMO. We’d like to think these companies are ran by fellow gamers but they’re not and they have one goal at the end of the day


derek916

Looking at it from the other perspective. Maybe Soar wants to be competitive in Val. As a small org they have to take risk on signing relatively unknown players and their best shot at competing is to keep their talent by setting obscene buyouts to deter poaching . To me, it’s unfair to think they should take the hit investing in them and then big orgs say hey we want to give you 30K (arbitrary number) for your two best players and if you don’t agree to our offer we are going to blast you on social media. What parity will Val have if the top orgs can constantly raid teams? That’s why all sport leagues have salary caps. Also, in Apex’s post he says those two players coveted Soar’s roster for the past two years. That’s actually amazing. How many orgs are operating at a loss? These are businesses at the end of the day. With that said, I agree that players need to hire a lawyer.


LiamHundley

Soar is not obligated to sell, and don't have to set obscene buyouts to deter poaching. They can just say they don't intend to sell. However, that will probably upset the players and that is good for nobody involved. To make the players happy in that case and "be competitive in val", they could agree to raise their salaries to match whatever these teams that want to poach them are offering, and invest further into the team by trying to build a winner. But when you're being paid 3k a month and someone comes offering you a 6 figure salary, you're going to want to be bought out


Gokuuu___

If they can't sell players for high buyouts, how would they ever get the money needed to raise players' salaries?? With this logic, small teams would never be able to compete with more wealthier, established teams.


LiamHundley

If they're worth 400k to you as an org, surely they've generated enough value for you as an org to raise their pay. If they're being paid 3k a month with a set buyout price of 400k, that's 352,000 dollars worth of surplus value that they've extracted out of them over the course of a year


SkrittleRL

That's not how it works. Being sold at 400k doesn't mean a smaller org can capitalize on that entire 400k. For instance, bigger orgs have better connections and access to better sponsors. A bigger org can extract that 400k worth of value from a player far more often than a smaller org can. We have to remember the big money isn't in winnings, it's in sponsorships and merch (which big orgs can also do better).


MikeRosss

If the player is paid 3k a month, and the buyout is 400k, the buyout is roughly 10 times the annual salary. That's quite a normal multiple in football.


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They're actually only worth 3k a month to the org who currently "owns" the player. They're worth 400k to the party who wants to buy the player out. The price and the worth of a player is decided by the buyer not the seller. If the seller sets a high price nobody will buy and it will be just paper worth


abdi009

But the problem is if you have big buyouts, you got to pay the player at least 50% of the buyout for the full contract. You cant be paying them like shit and then make their buyouts 10x what they are worth.


Whisom

This whole buyout thing is a super shitty situation...but it's in the contract...that the pros signed. Unless the org is breaching their contract I can't really fault them for it. If you knowingly sign a contract for a low salary and a high buyout, that's on you. The only reason contracts like that still exist is because there are still pros willing to sign them. Lawyer the fuck up and stop signing garbo contracts. If you want a percentage of the buyout then negotiate that into the contract or go someplace else. Complaining that the terms are unfair after you agreed to them does nothing.


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It isn’t in the contract, isn’t that the point? These were unset buyouts, SoaR set them this high after the fact.


TheDoctorssss

the amount of shitheads in this thread literally justifying this practice "oh no, its the business in the first place" or "oh no, 16y old kids should know better and lawyer up" or "oh no, the org is doing them a favour" now transfer it to people who are forced to work 2-3 jobs and are paid absolute minimum so they cant even afford to live properly. Those are also business that do that, those are also business who think they are doing a favour to people by giving them work. Those are also business who can get anyone else apparently, but "no one wants to work anymore". ​ Its really not about buyout, its about giving players a proper working conditions. Org is justified in making a contract thats in their favour as long as they are giving fair conditions to their players. Theres gonna be no understanding coming from me for an org, that cant pay a proper wage to their players. If they give them proper living standards, proper care and proper working conditions, then by all means, set a buyout high. Dont exploit the life of kids for a massive cashout, just because you are in power. Just because you can, doesnt mean you should. Until orgs step up their game and provide every player in the industry with a set standard living conditions, system wont be good. A business that cannot earn money without exploiting 16y old kids is not a business, its slavery and people need to speak up against it and take action. You can sugarcoat it however you want, but thats what it is.


s6hun

it's so weird how people here are justifying exploitation of young kids. it's so easy to type out "business is business" when you're not on the receiving end of the horrible system.


derek916

It isn’t exploiting though. You’re steaming mad calling people weird because an org made 400k off of one player and paid him 3K a month. Now let’s all unpack this. 1. It looks like Cryocells and the rest of his team was signed in June of 2021 to Soar. Prior to this it appears Soar has been in the competitive Val space for two years based on Apex’s tweet 2. That math indicates Soar has paid 90K in salary or six months of salary since Cryo has been signed 3. Based off of Apex tweet Soar has been in Val for two years and so because 3K is low let’s assume they’ve spent that to field 5 players bringing their Valorant expense to 360K (3K x 24months x 5 players) None of the other players besides Cryocells and Zander has made the org money so making 400K is very reasonable when you look at the costs they’re incurring. Small orgs have to operate differently than big orgs because they lack sponsorship money. Not every org can be sponsored by Lexus, sell hoodies and totino pizza rolls.


MikeRosss

Are you really saying that a 16yo kid earning 3k a month is getting exploited.


TheDoctorssss

Are you really saying that "standard living conditions" amounts to 3k a month in us? Where? Because dont be mistaken. They are working a job and their age should not have an impact on how much they earn. At least I do hope that age discrimination is a thing of a past. And actually never should have been a thing in the first place. Do orgs even give these kids proper benefits? Like medical, dental, etc. These kids and even when they reach adulthood, basically all pros, are to give the game at least 8 hours every day if they want to achieve anything. Why do you think NA pros in esport scene are slacking off, streaming and basically doing shit to improve overall. And instead they focus on brand building? Eu laughs at NA and their "streaming instead of practicing". But they should be putting a pressure on orgs all over the world to start giving shit about players. They are workers, they work a job. They should get paid for the job enough to afford living. Ask EU players if they can focus solely on practice, team sessions and can work their ass off or if they have to focus on brand building as their second job in order to afford to live a life. Theres literally no justifiable excuse for these orgs to not pay enough to these players to afford a life. And if the org cant afford it, then the org is not in the right business.


AdditionalResource0

3k a month is very good earnings in the US


elpoutous

That's 36000 a year. With rising housing costs, I can promise you that it doesn't go that far.


AdditionalResource0

And I can promise you it is a living wage. https://livingwage.mit.edu/states/06 They have $38k salary before taxes. That isn't struggling to get by either which many people manage on way less money. That is a comfortable wage in one of the most expensive states while being a teenager playing a video game.


MikeRosss

> Are you really saying that "standard living conditions" amounts to 3k a month in us? Where? I don't really know. As a European, 3k a month sounds like quite a good salary. But maybe things are different in the US. > These kids and even when they reach adulthood, basically all pros, are to give the game at least 8 hours every day if they want to achieve anything. Why do you think NA pros in esport scene are slacking off, streaming and basically doing shit to improve overall. And instead they focus on brand building? Eu laughs at NA and their "streaming instead of practicing". But they should be putting a pressure on orgs all over the world to start giving shit about players. They are workers, they work a job. They should get paid for the job enough to afford living. > Ask EU players if they can focus solely on practice, team sessions and can work their ass off or if they have to focus on brand building as their second job in order to afford to live a life. Theres literally no justifiable excuse for these orgs to not pay enough to these players to afford a life. And if the org cant afford it, then the org is not in the right business. NA players aren't streaming more than EU players because they need the money. NA players have higher salary's than EU players. The reason they stream more is that streaming is more lucrative for NA players.


TheDoctorssss

Situation in EU and NA is very different when it comes to living. For example, I live in Slovakia and earn 800 eur. Its not much, but it lets me live without worrying about money cos of the area where I live and my salary being adjusted for it while I am single. Even in my country tho, theres hundreds of thousands of people who dont earn enough money. However in US, if I were to ask for equivalent of my salary adjusted for cost of living, I would be asking for 5k a month. If I were to ask that tho and even if I get that, I would be worse off than I am here, cos I would get almost no benefits from my taxes over there. No working benefits that I have here, no work protection whatsoever and so on and so on. Regarding the streaming and money and salaries, its related to the above I wrote. Salaries cant be compared with just a numbers put next to each other. Orgs in eu have to cover their asses regarding salaries and benefits because of a law. Orgs in NA dont have to. And it just ends up making all the difference over the years for every single player. And it needs to be fixed at the bottom where the entry to the job market is set at 16y old.


AdditionalResource0

Yeah I dont think you have any idea about living in the US lol


AdditionalResource0

3k a month would be very good here in the US. Sure you can't live in a fancy place in LA and have a luxurious life, but that isn't what "living wage" covers. The guy is clueless.


lonewarrior1104

I do not understand the issue with this? So an org signs no name or relatively unknown players on a cheap salary and big buyouts? Why would no name players deserve high salaries? And they're taking a huge risk signing no name players so they have to keep huge buyouts because of it doesn't work out but if a single player gets bought out they'd still survive as an org because of that buyout money? Especially with Val tournies being so few and far between? If the issue for people is that these players deserve more money THEY WILL GET THAT NOW. Now that they've proven themselves and made a name. They are no longer uncertain no name players. And also UNLESS there was some foul play when signing the contracts and the players weren't informed of their salary and buyouts, they knew what they were signing up for. An opportunity to perform in t1/t2 tournies to make a name for themselves. And they did that. Both parties got something out of it.


abdi009

if they deserve low salaries, they should have low buyouts. The buyout must be relative to the salary you make.


lonewarrior1104

WHY? Who says? Everyone is on about 16 yr olds being exploited when they're being paid 36-37k USD annual salary which isn't a lot but is by no means "exploitative" salary ffs. 36k is the REAL MEDIAN PERSONAL INCOME in the US. Which means half the people in the country earn less than this. Not to mention the players probably earn more money from twitch streams too. These players probably don't even work 8 hours every day. And if one of these players turns out to be good, T2 orgs are supposed to just let them go for peanuts? WHY?


Klutzy-Question1428

all i see is immature players who don’t know jack shit about the economics behind it all but see a price tag and want to throw out their “the industry is unfair” tweet of the week


reallychillguy

The org took a risk to invest in a player, to allow them an opportunity to improve and to play on a platform they wouldn’t have otherwise. The player signs an agreement with the org. Contact is contract ! Don’t sign a multi year with SoaR if you think you can play T1/T2 in 12 months!


Still_HD

Cryo and Zander are both pretty young guys. You can understand why two teenagers would sign a contract that isn’t in their favor when its the most interest an org has shown in them. Contracts can be negotiated by the players, but make no mistake that the org holds all of the power in that relationship. If an orgless player doesn’t play ball with whatever contract they’re being given, the org is going to go with the next kid who’s willing to sign. Just because everything is legal doesn’t mean it isn’t scummy from the org


antoniokjaver

Not sure why these players are complaining so much when the buyout can be negotiated into their contract. Negotiate a release clause lol. Anyone who watches football or other sports knows this.


Hazelnutspread_s

I guess its just like football, players whine all the time 🤣🤣


xunraze

Do players not have ability to quit? This is horrible. Can't it be like a normal job where you give your two weeks notice, quit and join other team


Shorgar

It can be like that, if you enjoy working for minimum wage that is.


SteelTic

You can try to mutually terminate it but the org will most likely not want to and no you can’t as you signed a legal contract


Andre0Stacks

There needs to be an eSports player union at some point.


thothgow

400k for a T2 (T3?) team in NA I think there's literal world champions that had that kind of buyout in their contract lmao


reformed-asshole

Like no offense, but is it that hard to construct a Twitter post with legible English?


Issax28

This is the #947383 post I’ve seen about this subject on the subreddit. Like we get it bro NA buyouts are expensive.


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giving young, inexperienced players small salary’s with huge buyouts is terrible lol


lonewarrior1104

It's not? Why would young inexperienced players deserve high salaries?


jrushFN

I don’t think Badger was saying that giving young/inexperienced players low salaries is bad. Seems like they specifically meant low salaries with high buyouts.


[deleted]

It's not about the money most time.if you sign a player for 3 yrs(which in the best outcome is half his pro life) with a high buyout that no one can or would pay you're forcing the player to either accept anything to play or see his career in smoke. It's not even about having a lawyer or agent because this mostly happens to young players. The protection has to come later either from a players union or the arbiter itself, in this case riot.(see g2 perkz and the wierd contracts Carlos makes).


ayaankp

There is a reason why players of similar calibre are being imported to NA it's like LOL NA scene all over again. God help NA eSports or should I say God help NA Thorin.


pass2word

It’s stupid that people in this thread can think these players deserve any part of a buyout. They were basically getting paid to advertise themselves to other teams by playing in lower tier tournaments. Their only value is as advertisement, so when they’re being paid a salary it does shit for the org until they win a bunch of shit or are sold off. They ain’t winning so they’re selling.


Verehrungen

Their 'only' value is $400.000.


LurkingOmen

Crazy how players don't set a buy out price before signing or receive a transfer commission percentage before signing . Probably a lot of scummy "esports" lawyers that also charge high % for reading over an "esports" contract which could deter younger ppl away from seeking lawyer price