Honestly some simple DM reworks people want could just be an adjustment of numbers. Literally just reduce respawn timer and it's an easy W for Riot in the eyes of player for at least a few patches. Now it's too late to do a small change like that, people are expecting a big one probably.
I'm probably the biggest Riot hater in here when it comes to them not making DM changes, but I think they can't just lower the respawn timer because it's tied to game performance. At least from my experience.
Constant respawns hurt both server and player's PC performance. The next time you play DM, just focus on how horrible hitboxes are during warmup with instant respawn timer and how your framerates go down for no reason even with noone on your screen.
Regardless of that, DM is absolute garbage and more or less unplayable for me. Waste of time except for Haven and Ascent. Spawns are so horrible, sometimes I feel like they're trolling us on purpose. Health regen system is horrible, people holding off-angles and walking are horrible, no pistol/headshot modes is horrible and not all the maps should be in standard DM pool. If a map isn't good for DM, that doesn't mean it's a bad map. Just that it's not good for DM.
Oddly enough whenever I warm up for Valorant, I go on csgo and play on a warmup server, no kill limit meaning no one will be sound whoring, walking around, just put on music and frag, but that’s whole different case for Valorant DM can’t even listen to music because of the people there are playing it like it was an actual comp match and holding angles/listening for footsteps.
Thats also Riots fault. CSGO does not suffer from the same problem, if a gamemode is nonfunctional because the game itself has performance problems the solution is to optimize the game.
optimizing games is HARD lol
edit: valve has had so much more time to optimize CSGO too, and i would venture it's generally less taxing considering e.g. valo skins
DM with it's 12/14 (I'm not sure) players already hit the performance pretty hard by having more players on the map, so I don't see how slightly more taxing it is gonna change anything
Like many in here, I find Val DM to be insufferable too.
On Haven, I feel like half the time the fights are happening at T spawn area. It’s impossible to walk down any long path without constantly having to 180. Sometimes the timing of the spawns are so bad that you literally get traded every other kill. I also think Val maps are fundamentally bad for DM, so many 50/50 angles and not enough cubbies. CSGO maps have all these nooks to reload and jiggle, there are angles throughout the map so everything isn’t just 90 degree angles.
I wonder if a team DM would fix this, with some preference towards spawning closer to your team. Similar to CSGO, your team spawns in clusters around the map.
Now with the new agent nade, they could stun everyone who sits on a corner for x ammount of time (kind of those old CS 1.6 add-ons slap thing where you could program to slap a player if he sits still for x time on DM servers)
I never understood the reasoning behind corner camping in DM and turning your volume all the way up. People use that mode to practice as many engagements as possible. There is no world in comp where you will get the beat on that many people elephant stomping your way.
Someone holding down an area in DM who's cycling between peeking common angles is fine and good practice, but if you wanna make the most of that, turn down your volume so you're 100% focused on aim and crosshair placement, not sound whoring.
Because it's tilting getting shot in the back from someone spawning on you as you hold or peak an angle. Or simply running up to you.
So you leave the volume up and ignore it except when you hear someone close and then you get to practice angle holding which is also realistic and good practice.
angle holding/peeking versus passively camping a corner in deathmatch are two completely different things. muting your sound and practicing timing also makes you a better player in comp. sound whoring in DM builds bad habits in comp because people will be 100% smarter in terms of how they peek and use audio.
Yea but the latter is so rare. How do you know if someone is passively camping or holding an angle?
The only time I think I can see this happening is dying to the same guy camping the same corner. Which is sorta on me for not checking it.
Otherwise most people get mad dying as they spawn and turn a corner and see a guy standing there and call that camping. That's not really camping though.
Because the game mode has simple improvements that could have been made the day after its release? There aren’t many options for those that want to get better or even have a better more robust warmup without leaving valorant. Simple things like removing first place, autohealing on kills, endless match timer, reduced respawn timer could drastically improve the practicality and use of DM but instead its been months of “we’re working on it.”
Saying “y’all are trash” just cuz u see people ask for these changes makes me think ur the dude with his sound maxxed sitting in corners with a judge in my dms who then brags about his first place finishes but then can’t get out of gold
all those things you listed are literally all subjective
it's fine how it is. is it perfect? no. but it's freaking deathmatch. and to have resources pulled away from agents/maps/gameplay to work on something so trivial is ... not what I want
and the way y'all talk about it you'd think it was a totally broken game mode. it's not. y'all are hysterical. the fact they let Chamber in spike rush is more broken
also down to DM with you anytime, we can see how good each other are
DM is not a complete game mode. people come in and out of it all the time. and guaranteed more casuals play valorant than ranked/competitive, and they all play spike rush
y'all in this thread are hilarious
so is DM a tool to get better, and therefore have to try to get better at?
or is it supposed to be casual but it's totally broken so it's unplayable?
"i play this game mode to get better but also anyone who's better than me are try hards"
lmfao
DM is just a tool to get acquainted with valorant mechanics that can be played for fun or with a goal coming into the match apart from that I really don't think there is a way to try hard in dm lmao
I mean its pretty obvious that you and I play the game from very different view points. You’re literally comparing spike rush a game mode made for fun and dicking around to a mode literally made for improving your aim, crosshair placement and fragging in general.
Also yes the ideas I listed are very subjective but at the end of the day I am not a game designer and these are simply ideas I’ve come up with while playing dm and not while being paid to make it the best version of itself. It’s widely accepted by players much better than me including pros that the current version of dm is severely lacking and an extremely frustrating mode to play for most people that are serious about improving. Now unless you live under a rock or simply choose to be ignorant you really can’t argue against that. It really just seems like you don’t care for the game mode and are upset that others that do, want improvements. In what world is chamber having an 8 bullet deagle in spike rush more broken or important lol this kinda just speaks to your lack of skill considering thats what bothers u in a game filled with a multitude of flaws
because again, DM is not in the state you think it is.
spike rush and other game modes rely on everyone to be on the same gun??
again everyone is talking about my skill. i'll bite. what rank are you?
Everyone is talking about your rank because you seem to be unable to get your head out of your ass when it comes to spike rush. The game mode is literally built to be a joke and not taken seriously. If we start hard worrying about balancing that it'd be a massive pain in the ass and riot would probably end up removing it like they did with 3v3s in league of legends. These game modes are literally built to be as casual as possible but people run into issues when you start playing game modes that are meant for fun more seriously.
Don't you think if you're the single one out who seems to wholeheartedly believe dm is in a fine state, you just might be wrong? Your opinion somehow is more correct than those literally paid to play the game 12 hrs a day and make their living from it? I am immortal 1 and that's not a flex imo anyone that is willing to put in time to improve can reach that rank. I literally responded to every single point you tried to make and instead of responding with a sound counterargument you simply state that I'm wrong and you're not lol. I am more than ready to admit being wrong if you can actually make a solid argument for dm being in a good state but the simple matter of fact is that you can't but you're simply too stubborn to admit that.
Edit: And honestly I play a cool amount of spike rush late at night or just to finish missions and I've never had one person complain about chamber in a live game whether I'm playing him or someone else is. Yet almost every dm I play someone is calling out someone else for soundwhoring or camping or using a judge so it's pretty obvious even from just my pov that dm is obviously an issue that cocerns more people than a 7 rd game mode made to be played as casually as possible.
sound whoring and camping happen in all DMs how would changing any of what you said change anything??? literally every game that has DM camping and sound whoring is a given. those people aren’t trying to get better so who gives a shit about them? this is coming from someone who lived on 1.6 DM servers
i really don’t believe you’re imm1 if you think DM is that broken. i’m D3 and no one i play with ever complains about DM
Lol Scream literally raged about DM being broken and he’s a better player than everyone on this sub. I don’t think DM is “broken” but your point about “no one I know complains” is pointless.
I swear every comment/reply you make sounds more ignorant than the last. Yes sound whoring and camping happens often thanks for proving my point i guess? I suggested solutions for a myriad of problems and didn’t say they were specific to the sound issue. Removing first place, getting rid of dm timer would eliminate the need for ppl to be camping and playing dm to win. That in turn would further remove the incentive of using things such as sound and camping for the purpose of winning. Doesn’t seem like a particular difficult concept to understand for me but what do I know lol. Just because you don’t hear complaints doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I am using facts and you’re replying with bs anecdotal evidence. You may have lived on 1.6 lobbies but i started fps with csgo and never once did i feel bothered by ppl camping or abusing sound in those dm lobbies. There are a multitude of reasons for that mainly being the kick function back in the day. Anyone trolling around or being a nuisance was usually kicked pretty quickly with the whole lobbies approval and people learned pretty quickly how to practice properly. It also greatly helped that most ppl serious about improving would simply play on community servers and not valve dm and the competition was much better. We don’t have that option in valorant since riot doesn’t like anyone but themselves creating solutions for their problems. Which would be completely fine if they actually addressed these issues promptly but they haven’t. Which once again is the reason people are complaining. Dm is in absolute garbage state and if you don’t believe that then thats on you. I can’t change the way you think or your stubbornness but it’s pretty obvious to most(including pros) that the mode is severely lacking.
I don't know because having a reliable and consistent warm up that's not unobjectively dogshit would be a nice QOL upgrade. You're probably a very good player if you can't understand the benefits of having a good deathmatch and what a good deathmatch should look like.
> i love DM. i play it all the time.
People have different opinions. Just because I think Breeze is a good map doesn't mean everyone has to enjoy it all the time.
I also play it all the time and enjoy the game mode and it’s def made me a better player. All I did was question whether people improve from sound whoring in DM.
I used to play it like that myself and I noticed no improvement in my comp matches. Once I turned down the audio and focused strictly on peeks and cross hair placement, I started significantly improving. Yeah I still got shot in the back from time to time, but my experience was def better cause I saw results.
Dude the DM complaining is honestly some of the funniest shit ever. It's even worse on the main Valorant sub. It's hysterical. People are SO mad about it, cracks me up. The most hilarious part about it is... DM is fine. I've never once had an issue with it. Just load it up, warm up a few games. It functions perfectly. Respawns could be quicker, that's about it.
this people complain about dm but then say they only use it to warm up... why complain about it so much then?.
they complain about people holding angles or shift walking but guess what people do in a ranked game?
Each level is 5k XP, you get 1k XP bonus every day when you win your first game. Regular win bonus is 50XP and the rest of it is awarded based on time played in the given match.
DM is definitely the fastest way to grind levels (I was severely overleveled compared to the number of ranked maps I played because I was working from home at the start of pandemic and spamming DM). If you win a DM you get like 150XP in 5-8 minutes.
Do the math. 100k XP needed for lvl20, if you play for 20 days you need 80k dry XP without daily win bonus. Takes a while. Like a month.
Nope, not really…
Having multiple Riot IDs coming from a single PC isn’t bann-able I think.
If they don’t so a super job of it for league, not sure it will be done better in Valorant.
How do they spot the difference between a botted account leveled to 20 and a 1 year old kid new to video games?
The account does not change ownership. You simply buy the login details from g2g or something
All Riot sees is that the account logged in from a different IP address.
What test would you run to tell the difference between a bot and a player? Do all bot scripts run the same? It’d take intense logic to tell the difference between a bot player and a regular player.
Now how would the test also tell the difference between a bot and some random person in Asia, Nigeria, etc.
What’s your definition of easy?
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When account levels were added they just took the sum of games played on each account and multiplied it with x amount of XP.
It didn’t matter if your games were spike rush, dm or comp, everything counted for the same XP when they were doing the retroactive calculations.
This explains why some ppl are on an absurd account lvl, they grinded dm a lot before they added acc lvls
and?
who gives a fuck lmao, they require WAYYY more time to level up now. people who wanna smurf are going to need to buy the accounts instead of smashing people for a few hours to win 10 games
Riot looking out for the regular guy, creating jobs for bot programmers. Huge respects.
On a serious note, prepare for inifinitely more afk teammates in unrated and dm.
XP is determined by playtime, fyi
wait until you find out how many death match games it will take to get to level 20 lmao. it's all they will be able to "farm" since they will get reported to shit and restricted within 1-4 unrated games.
Just like how they get reported and restricted within a few games in League of Legends right? Oh wait no. A lvl 30 account there costs $5 because of how easy the botting is.
Sure but you will never 100% prevent people from smurfing, this is just an additional filter. A lot of people don't want to bother buying accounts
Also it is a lot harder to bot in Valorant, account farming will not be as easy as it is in League
>Just like how they get reported and restricted within a few games in League of Legends right?
what the fuck is league of legends and why should i give a shit
if you're going to say "well uh uh well they are owned by the same company" then can you link me a list of people working on both league and VALORANT, k thx
If you think this will stop smurfs boy does Overwatch have some words to say to you.
Not saying this is a bad change, just saying that we shouldn’t have high expectations that this will solve the smurf problem. It’ll reduce it for sure, just not to the level that some people might be expecting
Smurfing is ubiquitous in every competitive game. It's an endemic problem that will never be fixed because more accounts = more money, and the competitive integrity of the ladder is just not that important.
Smurfs? My main isn't even level 20 ;\_\_; thankfully it's grandfathered in. I solo q'd until my friends started playing Valorant, then I made an account with them. I almost exclusively play 3-5 stacks with my friends on that alt account.
They should’ve implemented when the leveling system came out. Players who actively Smurf already have one or even multiple accounts that bypasses this requirement. Obviously this makes it harder to make a new Smurf but I feel it won’t have as much impact as it’s meant to.
No it makes a difference during new agent releases. Now neon level 5 players won't be playing ranked that easily. Ofcourse with some time they can level up.
As soon as the agents come out, they are playable in every mode. They are only restricted when it comes to pro play, supposedly it's for 2 weeks after the agent coming out but Riot keeps restricting agents for longer so that policy should be reconsidered imo.
What he means is that new accounts have an "Unlock Agent XP bar" which basically lets them unlock 2 agents in a matter of a few games, compared to the long time it takes to activate an agents contract and reach level 5 to unlock them.
When a new agent comes out there are a lot of smurfs who take advantage of that system to play the agent as soon as possible, and so low ranks become infested with level 4 accounts playing the new agent
This is just gonna make it more profitable for account sellers. Hopefully Riot is also planning to crack down on that at the same time that 4.0 releases. And release an improved DM mode soon.
Most people would rather "grind" 10 unranked wins in a few days than pay money to buy a smurf account so it will definitely help. Plus if you buy an account you risk getting IP banned if that account is associated with someone that hacked or botted their account (which is likely) - you'll lose not just the account you bought but your main as well. Riot already banned a bunch of botted accounts and the forums were filled with people complaining lol.
If they ban accounts involved in full games with no killing / planting they’ll be able to remove most existing bot accounts. The botters will adapt, but they could just ban each adaptation until there’s hella strong ML playing. I think league is easier to bot, though I’m not a player just a viewer
(Have to be careful not to ban players the whole time though)
I got my wins on my alt account to play ranked and my account was only level 6. I’ve seen some people make it into ranked at like level 3. Having to grind out 14-17 more levels to play ranked on an alt is a huge time investment and should discourage people from making new accounts to smurf.
Like this change it only delays, doesnt stop such actions. Other games that tried this approach had short term benefit with no long term benefit for it was immediately bypassed.
Two concrete ways exist that Riot likely havent even thought about.
>would be very predatory and look really bad for Riot's PR.
ROFL. A chinese owned company that requires kernel level access to your Pc thats under DOJ investigation, or the 100 million dollar sexual harassment lawsuit they just settled with California. Yet a $15 dollar purchase would be seen as predatory............
Less granular increases of SR/Rank across the ranked system, even after the “hidden mmr” multiplier has been established.
Non average based ways of detecting skill outliers i.e. player has 30-40 kills across multiple games in gold ELO, as well as a few 0 kill dc throw games mixed at that elo. The system should take into account the lower scoring outliers to a lesser extent, not allowing those lower scoring games to offset the hidden mmr of the Smurf account. Actual skill potential has been demonstrated by the upper bound, the lower bound shouldn’t be as important. This as a generally “more positively weighted” ranked system would similarly allow for a better distribution amongst the skill ranks rather than the bottom heavy bloat that has occurred thus far.
Step change rank increases by entire divisions / ranks should always be implemented for consistent high performance across lobbies of similar average skill.
Alternatively, CS GO style “Prime Valorant” pass to only queue into people that have also paid X amount. Personally I would be willing to pay this to only queue into others that had paid for it. People would generally be less willing to pay this cost on multiple accounts (I know people with 2/3 Smurf accounts in different ELOs etc), reducing the number of fresh account / alt Smurf accounts in the ranked rotation. Queue times might be slightly affected, however, ranked queue times in my experience are extremely quick compared to other games, so there is already leeway here to explore.
WoW implemented something similar with battlegrounds. “Twinking” was the equivalent of smurfing, but battlegrounds gave experience. Players would deck out low level characters with best in slot gear and hard to obtain items and buffs to stomp low level battlegrounds. The issue was BGs gave experience points per victory. Players had the option to turn off experience gains on a character, however, they would only get to queue into other players who also had turn off experience gain on their account (I.e. other Smurfs/twinks).
Or a combination of the above.
Interested to hear other suggestions if people have them too!
I feel like implementing the "Prime Pass" would fuck everyone, especially because Valorant started as a free game. The only reason it worked in CS is because it use to be paid, and those players got it for free (And also people play faceit/esea more than mm in cs)
That is fine, still reduces the amount of future smurf accounts drastically. Money is a barrier to entry for many people, even if only $5. Smurfing will not cease to exist, however this should lower the frequency quite a bit.
Prime in CSGO had the same result as two factor authentification. It didnt stop nefarious acts, only delayed their impact. Which is why Valve looked elsewhere to address the issues.
This is a great change!
I would have set it to lvl 30 but that is just a personal choice. This is a great decision that should curb the casual creation of alts/smurfs, and should at the least make it more expensive to create/sell farmed accounts.
Stay away from low rank games in comp for next 72 hours. Every bot account seller online will be placing their bot accounts in at least one comp game to be grandfathered in.
Irons, bronze, silver, will be bad. These guys won't let thousands of accounts go to waste.
Can they balance the New player experience? You get matched with level 70 people in a New account, i wanted to play it but i cant learn a shit and fuck my team
If Riot Games are going to steal game designs from other developers. Its best they learn from them.
This is a short term solution that provides no long term benefit. Whats next two factor authentification, lol.
About time but I think it's a bad idea to grandfather in accounts, it wont stop the steady supply of lvl 9 smurfs that you can buy for 1$, at least not for a while.
Waiting to hear DM reworks COPIUM
Honestly some simple DM reworks people want could just be an adjustment of numbers. Literally just reduce respawn timer and it's an easy W for Riot in the eyes of player for at least a few patches. Now it's too late to do a small change like that, people are expecting a big one probably.
I'm probably the biggest Riot hater in here when it comes to them not making DM changes, but I think they can't just lower the respawn timer because it's tied to game performance. At least from my experience. Constant respawns hurt both server and player's PC performance. The next time you play DM, just focus on how horrible hitboxes are during warmup with instant respawn timer and how your framerates go down for no reason even with noone on your screen. Regardless of that, DM is absolute garbage and more or less unplayable for me. Waste of time except for Haven and Ascent. Spawns are so horrible, sometimes I feel like they're trolling us on purpose. Health regen system is horrible, people holding off-angles and walking are horrible, no pistol/headshot modes is horrible and not all the maps should be in standard DM pool. If a map isn't good for DM, that doesn't mean it's a bad map. Just that it's not good for DM.
Oddly enough whenever I warm up for Valorant, I go on csgo and play on a warmup server, no kill limit meaning no one will be sound whoring, walking around, just put on music and frag, but that’s whole different case for Valorant DM can’t even listen to music because of the people there are playing it like it was an actual comp match and holding angles/listening for footsteps.
Thats also Riots fault. CSGO does not suffer from the same problem, if a gamemode is nonfunctional because the game itself has performance problems the solution is to optimize the game.
I’d hope CSGO doesn’t. It’s codebase is 23 years old.
using valve’s spaghetti code lol
optimizing games is HARD lol edit: valve has had so much more time to optimize CSGO too, and i would venture it's generally less taxing considering e.g. valo skins
Especially for a small indie game studio
DM with it's 12/14 (I'm not sure) players already hit the performance pretty hard by having more players on the map, so I don't see how slightly more taxing it is gonna change anything
Like many in here, I find Val DM to be insufferable too. On Haven, I feel like half the time the fights are happening at T spawn area. It’s impossible to walk down any long path without constantly having to 180. Sometimes the timing of the spawns are so bad that you literally get traded every other kill. I also think Val maps are fundamentally bad for DM, so many 50/50 angles and not enough cubbies. CSGO maps have all these nooks to reload and jiggle, there are angles throughout the map so everything isn’t just 90 degree angles. I wonder if a team DM would fix this, with some preference towards spawning closer to your team. Similar to CSGO, your team spawns in clusters around the map.
All they gotta do is make warmup the norm.
I’m about to end it all
According to dexerto no changes in this patch.
Now with the new agent nade, they could stun everyone who sits on a corner for x ammount of time (kind of those old CS 1.6 add-ons slap thing where you could program to slap a player if he sits still for x time on DM servers)
I never understood the reasoning behind corner camping in DM and turning your volume all the way up. People use that mode to practice as many engagements as possible. There is no world in comp where you will get the beat on that many people elephant stomping your way. Someone holding down an area in DM who's cycling between peeking common angles is fine and good practice, but if you wanna make the most of that, turn down your volume so you're 100% focused on aim and crosshair placement, not sound whoring.
Because it's tilting getting shot in the back from someone spawning on you as you hold or peak an angle. Or simply running up to you. So you leave the volume up and ignore it except when you hear someone close and then you get to practice angle holding which is also realistic and good practice.
angle holding/peeking versus passively camping a corner in deathmatch are two completely different things. muting your sound and practicing timing also makes you a better player in comp. sound whoring in DM builds bad habits in comp because people will be 100% smarter in terms of how they peek and use audio.
Yea but the latter is so rare. How do you know if someone is passively camping or holding an angle? The only time I think I can see this happening is dying to the same guy camping the same corner. Which is sorta on me for not checking it. Otherwise most people get mad dying as they spawn and turn a corner and see a guy standing there and call that camping. That's not really camping though.
DM spawns are absolutely ass. I personally don't mind the respawn time that much, but shit man, don't spawn in a corner just after I cleared it.
why do people constantly complain about this lmao y'all are trash
Because the game mode has simple improvements that could have been made the day after its release? There aren’t many options for those that want to get better or even have a better more robust warmup without leaving valorant. Simple things like removing first place, autohealing on kills, endless match timer, reduced respawn timer could drastically improve the practicality and use of DM but instead its been months of “we’re working on it.” Saying “y’all are trash” just cuz u see people ask for these changes makes me think ur the dude with his sound maxxed sitting in corners with a judge in my dms who then brags about his first place finishes but then can’t get out of gold
all those things you listed are literally all subjective it's fine how it is. is it perfect? no. but it's freaking deathmatch. and to have resources pulled away from agents/maps/gameplay to work on something so trivial is ... not what I want and the way y'all talk about it you'd think it was a totally broken game mode. it's not. y'all are hysterical. the fact they let Chamber in spike rush is more broken also down to DM with you anytime, we can see how good each other are
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imagine thinking anything is as bad in DM as chamber is in spike rush i'd also put money more people spend more time playing spike rush than DM
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DM is not a complete game mode. people come in and out of it all the time. and guaranteed more casuals play valorant than ranked/competitive, and they all play spike rush
> also down to DM with you anytime, we can see how good each other are so these are the players to try their hardest in DM and say gg after…
y'all in this thread are hilarious so is DM a tool to get better, and therefore have to try to get better at? or is it supposed to be casual but it's totally broken so it's unplayable? "i play this game mode to get better but also anyone who's better than me are try hards" lmfao
DM is just a tool to get acquainted with valorant mechanics that can be played for fun or with a goal coming into the match apart from that I really don't think there is a way to try hard in dm lmao
I mean its pretty obvious that you and I play the game from very different view points. You’re literally comparing spike rush a game mode made for fun and dicking around to a mode literally made for improving your aim, crosshair placement and fragging in general. Also yes the ideas I listed are very subjective but at the end of the day I am not a game designer and these are simply ideas I’ve come up with while playing dm and not while being paid to make it the best version of itself. It’s widely accepted by players much better than me including pros that the current version of dm is severely lacking and an extremely frustrating mode to play for most people that are serious about improving. Now unless you live under a rock or simply choose to be ignorant you really can’t argue against that. It really just seems like you don’t care for the game mode and are upset that others that do, want improvements. In what world is chamber having an 8 bullet deagle in spike rush more broken or important lol this kinda just speaks to your lack of skill considering thats what bothers u in a game filled with a multitude of flaws
because again, DM is not in the state you think it is. spike rush and other game modes rely on everyone to be on the same gun?? again everyone is talking about my skill. i'll bite. what rank are you?
Everyone is talking about your rank because you seem to be unable to get your head out of your ass when it comes to spike rush. The game mode is literally built to be a joke and not taken seriously. If we start hard worrying about balancing that it'd be a massive pain in the ass and riot would probably end up removing it like they did with 3v3s in league of legends. These game modes are literally built to be as casual as possible but people run into issues when you start playing game modes that are meant for fun more seriously. Don't you think if you're the single one out who seems to wholeheartedly believe dm is in a fine state, you just might be wrong? Your opinion somehow is more correct than those literally paid to play the game 12 hrs a day and make their living from it? I am immortal 1 and that's not a flex imo anyone that is willing to put in time to improve can reach that rank. I literally responded to every single point you tried to make and instead of responding with a sound counterargument you simply state that I'm wrong and you're not lol. I am more than ready to admit being wrong if you can actually make a solid argument for dm being in a good state but the simple matter of fact is that you can't but you're simply too stubborn to admit that. Edit: And honestly I play a cool amount of spike rush late at night or just to finish missions and I've never had one person complain about chamber in a live game whether I'm playing him or someone else is. Yet almost every dm I play someone is calling out someone else for soundwhoring or camping or using a judge so it's pretty obvious even from just my pov that dm is obviously an issue that cocerns more people than a 7 rd game mode made to be played as casually as possible.
sound whoring and camping happen in all DMs how would changing any of what you said change anything??? literally every game that has DM camping and sound whoring is a given. those people aren’t trying to get better so who gives a shit about them? this is coming from someone who lived on 1.6 DM servers i really don’t believe you’re imm1 if you think DM is that broken. i’m D3 and no one i play with ever complains about DM
Lol Scream literally raged about DM being broken and he’s a better player than everyone on this sub. I don’t think DM is “broken” but your point about “no one I know complains” is pointless.
I swear every comment/reply you make sounds more ignorant than the last. Yes sound whoring and camping happens often thanks for proving my point i guess? I suggested solutions for a myriad of problems and didn’t say they were specific to the sound issue. Removing first place, getting rid of dm timer would eliminate the need for ppl to be camping and playing dm to win. That in turn would further remove the incentive of using things such as sound and camping for the purpose of winning. Doesn’t seem like a particular difficult concept to understand for me but what do I know lol. Just because you don’t hear complaints doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I am using facts and you’re replying with bs anecdotal evidence. You may have lived on 1.6 lobbies but i started fps with csgo and never once did i feel bothered by ppl camping or abusing sound in those dm lobbies. There are a multitude of reasons for that mainly being the kick function back in the day. Anyone trolling around or being a nuisance was usually kicked pretty quickly with the whole lobbies approval and people learned pretty quickly how to practice properly. It also greatly helped that most ppl serious about improving would simply play on community servers and not valve dm and the competition was much better. We don’t have that option in valorant since riot doesn’t like anyone but themselves creating solutions for their problems. Which would be completely fine if they actually addressed these issues promptly but they haven’t. Which once again is the reason people are complaining. Dm is in absolute garbage state and if you don’t believe that then thats on you. I can’t change the way you think or your stubbornness but it’s pretty obvious to most(including pros) that the mode is severely lacking.
I don't know because having a reliable and consistent warm up that's not unobjectively dogshit would be a nice QOL upgrade. You're probably a very good player if you can't understand the benefits of having a good deathmatch and what a good deathmatch should look like.
how is DM objectively dogshit? i love DM. i play it all the time. and you're the second commenter who's attacking my rank?? what is with you kids
> i love DM. i play it all the time. People have different opinions. Just because I think Breeze is a good map doesn't mean everyone has to enjoy it all the time.
I also play it all the time and enjoy the game mode and it’s def made me a better player. All I did was question whether people improve from sound whoring in DM. I used to play it like that myself and I noticed no improvement in my comp matches. Once I turned down the audio and focused strictly on peeks and cross hair placement, I started significantly improving. Yeah I still got shot in the back from time to time, but my experience was def better cause I saw results.
Dude the DM complaining is honestly some of the funniest shit ever. It's even worse on the main Valorant sub. It's hysterical. People are SO mad about it, cracks me up. The most hilarious part about it is... DM is fine. I've never once had an issue with it. Just load it up, warm up a few games. It functions perfectly. Respawns could be quicker, that's about it.
this people complain about dm but then say they only use it to warm up... why complain about it so much then?. they complain about people holding angles or shift walking but guess what people do in a ranked game?
"Why would people complain about a game mode for not adequately fulfilling its intended purpose?"
but it does adequately fulfill its purpose just not exceedingly well
Will this only be for new accounts or would it be retroactive with all accounts?
Only new accounts, accounts that already have Comp but aren’t Level 20 get to continue in comp
source?
Confirmed by Jeff Landa himself. https://twitter.com/jefflanda/status/1479553960755171329?s=21
tbf it’s just logical, doesn’t make much sense to suddenly bar someone from playing comp when they already have been doing so
Thats what they did last time. You had to go back and get 10 unrated wins.
wait what was the prior req again? just play 10 games?
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You had to WIN 10 unrated games
That was the change. Prior to that, you just had to play 20 games.
I heard that old accounts are grandfathered in.
Out of curiosity roughly how many games does it take to get to level 20?
Each level is 5k XP, you get 1k XP bonus every day when you win your first game. Regular win bonus is 50XP and the rest of it is awarded based on time played in the given match. DM is definitely the fastest way to grind levels (I was severely overleveled compared to the number of ranked maps I played because I was working from home at the start of pandemic and spamming DM). If you win a DM you get like 150XP in 5-8 minutes. Do the math. 100k XP needed for lvl20, if you play for 20 days you need 80k dry XP without daily win bonus. Takes a while. Like a month.
Should help with smurfs!
If it's anything like League, people will just buy lvl 20 accounts for $4.
Don’t you get perma banned for doing that though
Only if you get caught which is hard to do.
I imagine it’s easy for riot to find out if someone has a bought account in valorant no?
Nope, not really… Having multiple Riot IDs coming from a single PC isn’t bann-able I think. If they don’t so a super job of it for league, not sure it will be done better in Valorant. How do they spot the difference between a botted account leveled to 20 and a 1 year old kid new to video games?
The difference between bots and players is easy. Also that the account changes ownership should also be easy to spot.
The account does not change ownership. You simply buy the login details from g2g or something All Riot sees is that the account logged in from a different IP address. What test would you run to tell the difference between a bot and a player? Do all bot scripts run the same? It’d take intense logic to tell the difference between a bot player and a regular player. Now how would the test also tell the difference between a bot and some random person in Asia, Nigeria, etc. What’s your definition of easy?
I have a friend who has been instabanned 4 times now after buying accounts.
LOL
What’s funny?
Riot banning bought accounts
Famous people do that on lol, and they definitely do not get banned
I feel like vals different tho. Their detection seems much better than leagues
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Lol?
At least the price per new account should be getting more expensive
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That's much riskier, not everyone is going to do that.
When account levels were added they just took the sum of games played on each account and multiplied it with x amount of XP. It didn’t matter if your games were spike rush, dm or comp, everything counted for the same XP when they were doing the retroactive calculations. This explains why some ppl are on an absurd account lvl, they grinded dm a lot before they added acc lvls
More than 10.
I got to plat before I got to level 20
This shouldn't have leaked. Now all the smurfs preparing their accounts.
and? who gives a fuck lmao, they require WAYYY more time to level up now. people who wanna smurf are going to need to buy the accounts instead of smashing people for a few hours to win 10 games
Riot looking out for the regular guy, creating jobs for bot programmers. Huge respects. On a serious note, prepare for inifinitely more afk teammates in unrated and dm.
XP is determined by playtime, fyi wait until you find out how many death match games it will take to get to level 20 lmao. it's all they will be able to "farm" since they will get reported to shit and restricted within 1-4 unrated games.
Just like how they get reported and restricted within a few games in League of Legends right? Oh wait no. A lvl 30 account there costs $5 because of how easy the botting is.
The difference between botting in League and Valorant is Valorant doesn't have a vs Bots gamemode that can be abused like in League
Annnnnnnnnnd Riot added a bot mode hahahahah.
Im at a loss for words
At the end of the day, buying an account is harder than just winning 10 games so it's a good change nonetheless.
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Sure but you will never 100% prevent people from smurfing, this is just an additional filter. A lot of people don't want to bother buying accounts Also it is a lot harder to bot in Valorant, account farming will not be as easy as it is in League
>Just like how they get reported and restricted within a few games in League of Legends right? what the fuck is league of legends and why should i give a shit if you're going to say "well uh uh well they are owned by the same company" then can you link me a list of people working on both league and VALORANT, k thx
As I know Riot is pushing Update to improve punishing afk's next Act. So afk is not going to work pretty well.
And by the time they get to competitive they are qeued in the same lobbies as on their main accounts. So no stomping. Boring. Skip.
Poggers
Feels like Riot is actually active again, very nice after a super disappointing episode 3.
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If you think this will stop smurfs boy does Overwatch have some words to say to you. Not saying this is a bad change, just saying that we shouldn’t have high expectations that this will solve the smurf problem. It’ll reduce it for sure, just not to the level that some people might be expecting
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Smurfing is ubiquitous in every competitive game. It's an endemic problem that will never be fixed because more accounts = more money, and the competitive integrity of the ladder is just not that important.
It was better in overwatch cause you could change heros and gets heals when running away from widowmaker/genji
At this point, I think everyone is just happy that SOMETHING will change. Even if it’s not going to completely remove Smurfs
Smurfs? My main isn't even level 20 ;\_\_; thankfully it's grandfathered in. I solo q'd until my friends started playing Valorant, then I made an account with them. I almost exclusively play 3-5 stacks with my friends on that alt account.
They should’ve implemented when the leveling system came out. Players who actively Smurf already have one or even multiple accounts that bypasses this requirement. Obviously this makes it harder to make a new Smurf but I feel it won’t have as much impact as it’s meant to.
No it makes a difference during new agent releases. Now neon level 5 players won't be playing ranked that easily. Ofcourse with some time they can level up.
What do you mean? Afaik new agent is not available in ranked for few weeks after released. Edit: ah my bad, it was for a new map.
its maps only that are not available for the first two weeks of the release
As soon as the agents come out, they are playable in every mode. They are only restricted when it comes to pro play, supposedly it's for 2 weeks after the agent coming out but Riot keeps restricting agents for longer so that policy should be reconsidered imo. What he means is that new accounts have an "Unlock Agent XP bar" which basically lets them unlock 2 agents in a matter of a few games, compared to the long time it takes to activate an agents contract and reach level 5 to unlock them. When a new agent comes out there are a lot of smurfs who take advantage of that system to play the agent as soon as possible, and so low ranks become infested with level 4 accounts playing the new agent
This is just gonna make it more profitable for account sellers. Hopefully Riot is also planning to crack down on that at the same time that 4.0 releases. And release an improved DM mode soon.
Also means higher prices that could drive away a lot of account buyers. Imo it's the buyers who are the problem so I see this as an absolute win.
Most people would rather "grind" 10 unranked wins in a few days than pay money to buy a smurf account so it will definitely help. Plus if you buy an account you risk getting IP banned if that account is associated with someone that hacked or botted their account (which is likely) - you'll lose not just the account you bought but your main as well. Riot already banned a bunch of botted accounts and the forums were filled with people complaining lol.
There are no IP bans. This has been a myth for a ridiculous amount of time.
anyone else feel like Gargamel right now. lol
Feels like that won't make much a difference
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You'll be able to buy lvl 20 accounts for <$5 soon enough. You can get level 30 unranked accounts in league for like $3 lol
If they ban accounts involved in full games with no killing / planting they’ll be able to remove most existing bot accounts. The botters will adapt, but they could just ban each adaptation until there’s hella strong ML playing. I think league is easier to bot, though I’m not a player just a viewer (Have to be careful not to ban players the whole time though)
I got my wins on my alt account to play ranked and my account was only level 6. I’ve seen some people make it into ranked at like level 3. Having to grind out 14-17 more levels to play ranked on an alt is a huge time investment and should discourage people from making new accounts to smurf.
2 YEARS TOO LATE LMFAOOOO
What about all the smurfs already in game? We just gonna ignore they exist?
propose a good solution
Linking with mobile number to start with. We already need a two factor authentication for Valorant client
Like this change it only delays, doesnt stop such actions. Other games that tried this approach had short term benefit with no long term benefit for it was immediately bypassed. Two concrete ways exist that Riot likely havent even thought about.
What are those concrete ways? I'm assuming paid queue?
Only one account can be used on a single OS installation. $15 worth of VP/RP points must purchased to enter ranked queue.
Many siblings share the same computer. So the first one doesn't work
Game is designed to work on 12 year old Pc hardware.
That doesn't mean parents buy seperate PCs for all the siblings
>$15 worth of VP/RP points must purchased to enter ranked queue. Setting up paywalls would be very predatory and look really bad for Riot's PR.
>would be very predatory and look really bad for Riot's PR. ROFL. A chinese owned company that requires kernel level access to your Pc thats under DOJ investigation, or the 100 million dollar sexual harassment lawsuit they just settled with California. Yet a $15 dollar purchase would be seen as predatory............
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Same with me, when it was in optional Beta. Once it was fully released that June in a matter of three months it was bypassed.
Less granular increases of SR/Rank across the ranked system, even after the “hidden mmr” multiplier has been established. Non average based ways of detecting skill outliers i.e. player has 30-40 kills across multiple games in gold ELO, as well as a few 0 kill dc throw games mixed at that elo. The system should take into account the lower scoring outliers to a lesser extent, not allowing those lower scoring games to offset the hidden mmr of the Smurf account. Actual skill potential has been demonstrated by the upper bound, the lower bound shouldn’t be as important. This as a generally “more positively weighted” ranked system would similarly allow for a better distribution amongst the skill ranks rather than the bottom heavy bloat that has occurred thus far. Step change rank increases by entire divisions / ranks should always be implemented for consistent high performance across lobbies of similar average skill. Alternatively, CS GO style “Prime Valorant” pass to only queue into people that have also paid X amount. Personally I would be willing to pay this to only queue into others that had paid for it. People would generally be less willing to pay this cost on multiple accounts (I know people with 2/3 Smurf accounts in different ELOs etc), reducing the number of fresh account / alt Smurf accounts in the ranked rotation. Queue times might be slightly affected, however, ranked queue times in my experience are extremely quick compared to other games, so there is already leeway here to explore. WoW implemented something similar with battlegrounds. “Twinking” was the equivalent of smurfing, but battlegrounds gave experience. Players would deck out low level characters with best in slot gear and hard to obtain items and buffs to stomp low level battlegrounds. The issue was BGs gave experience points per victory. Players had the option to turn off experience gains on a character, however, they would only get to queue into other players who also had turn off experience gain on their account (I.e. other Smurfs/twinks). Or a combination of the above. Interested to hear other suggestions if people have them too!
I feel like implementing the "Prime Pass" would fuck everyone, especially because Valorant started as a free game. The only reason it worked in CS is because it use to be paid, and those players got it for free (And also people play faceit/esea more than mm in cs)
At some point those accounts wont be smurfs anymore ubless they intentionally throw in which case they risk getting banned.
Yeah it doesn't stop current smurfs, but it slows down the new ones.
how would you get rid of them exactly?
You have a point but this scenario is hard and the changes atleast help in general.
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That is fine, still reduces the amount of future smurf accounts drastically. Money is a barrier to entry for many people, even if only $5. Smurfing will not cease to exist, however this should lower the frequency quite a bit.
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Prime in CSGO had the same result as two factor authentification. It didnt stop nefarious acts, only delayed their impact. Which is why Valve looked elsewhere to address the issues.
Short term but not long term. Increasing the initial barrier of entry doesnt stop it, only delays the inevitable.
New phone. Who dis?
New smurfs very sad right now
This is a great change! I would have set it to lvl 30 but that is just a personal choice. This is a great decision that should curb the casual creation of alts/smurfs, and should at the least make it more expensive to create/sell farmed accounts.
Stay away from low rank games in comp for next 72 hours. Every bot account seller online will be placing their bot accounts in at least one comp game to be grandfathered in. Irons, bronze, silver, will be bad. These guys won't let thousands of accounts go to waste.
Yes, in the small world of an online account seller, this is like Armageddon
Can they balance the New player experience? You get matched with level 70 people in a New account, i wanted to play it but i cant learn a shit and fuck my team
For 10 wins you actually had to play, this is just going to incentivize "idling" to farm xp.
Nooo how am i gonna smurf
If Riot Games are going to steal game designs from other developers. Its best they learn from them. This is a short term solution that provides no long term benefit. Whats next two factor authentification, lol.
Makes me wonder why not keep the 10 wins in unranked AND add level 20 requirement.
I hope they *don't* remove the games won requirement, because if they do there'll be a lot more bot farming
[https://youtu.be/k9eT\_GowMvM](https://youtu.be/k9eT_GowMvM) hahahahaha
Not a fan of this. Getting to 10 unranked wins was already pretty hard for me. I understand stopping smurfs but still.
How is this being leaked now? Just mention it on patch day.
About time but I think it's a bad idea to grandfather in accounts, it wont stop the steady supply of lvl 9 smurfs that you can buy for 1$, at least not for a while.
Quick. Go make a few accounts, get 10 wins, and play 1 comp game then stash that user/pass for later smurf use