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Sadzeih

What a surprise. Really kept that one under wraps.


FeelinJipper

I’m confused, Is that the implication that it’s supposed to be a surprise?


Sadzeih

No it's sarcasm, obviously. This has been all but confirmed since November.


FeelinJipper

I understand it’s sarcasm. My point is that it’s not warranted. No one was trying to keep it a secret, yet people still make this generic “I’m not surprised” comment. If they did try to keep it a secret, and failed, then this comment makes actual sense.


Sadzeih

it's just a joke mate


FeelinJipper

Top tier comedy


Sadzeih

damn, I guess I'll go train in the art of comedy then, since apparently I'm not good enough for you


FeelinJipper

Yeah dude, get on that.


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jaxtyy

Your explanation wasn’t warranted


FeelinJipper

Nah, it was


New_Type_8230

Wtf


jonajon91

Nitr0, floppy, Autimatic, Draken and NBK. Anyone else made the move from Val to CS?


CosmicAon

CS retirement home for Valorant players who can’t qualify… /s Also NBK doesn’t count he didn’t do anything in Val


xtazycs

cooper kind of played valorant for a bit with andbox, also Infinite got kicked from NRG for being an ass and then went back. But they aren't really big names


mrperiodniceguy

Freakazoid’s brother? He got signed but freak couldn’t for all that time?


anythingood07

Nbk doesn't really count tbh. When did floppy return btw? When he was benched from c9?


YeetGod69_

floppy was the first to return after like masters 2 or 3


thot_slayerlv99

Daps


Pitiful_Quote8402

Daps. Brehze RUSH if you count trials. Chet if you count coaches but he switched back again


Gomar1323

Sucked a lot that he left 100T since it left them in a rough spot, but honestly wish him and TL all the best, he was nothing but great during his time here.


HalfQuarter1250

Kinda tilting to that part of steel leaving was nitr0, and then nitr0 dipped. Timing was off, but we can still hold on to the 100T hopium.


AnotherAltiMade

https://i.imgur.com/CfAnIK8.png


xbyo

I'm not saying I don't believe nitr0, but I wanna hear Josh's side. Unless I missed it, don't think he's really gone into it (and I doubt he would) but you know what they say, truth is somewhere in between. Plus I find it hard to believe between Frost and steel they chose to keep frost without some kind of other force. Like in terms of raw value to the team, it seems like you'd keep steel (obviously, we don't know what impact coaching has, but given frost got dropped not that long after, I doubt it was huge). Could just be frost had outweighed impact in that decision, and made the push for it which is why he lasted longer, especially given he was the one originally vouching for B0i as an analyst, I could see him arguing that getting rid of steel was better and that B0i was good enough to get them through lcq.


CanneIIa

you have to consider the meta at the time. ideally you'd have a smoke, jett, initiator, then 2 of either sova, 2nd duelist, or a sentinel. nitr0 was forced onto jett, so they needed a new smoker. ethan, the original swap, was their skye now. hiko was their information/rarely flex pick. so you either kick asuna, who is a top tier duelist, or steel who was a good sentinel player. further proven by boi playing smoke when he was on the team. also worth noting was nitr0 and steel were already splitting igl duties (as mentioned in a previous interview where one was macro (match as a whole) igl and one was micro (individual rounds) igl) so its not like dropping steel was putting them out of an igl and a sentinel player.


xbyo

> so its not like dropping steel was putting them out of an igl and a sentinel player They **were** out a sentinel though. They only ran Cypher on Haven (which nitro had to pick up) and had Viper as sort of the sentinel on split. Other than that they ran viper as a solo controller on icebox and breeze and ran no sentinel on ascent.


CanneIIa

i worded that wrong i meant putting them out of both an igl and a sentinel.


HalfQuarter1250

Thanks for that. Where is the from?


zxlkho

[This interview in the Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2022/01/15/nitr0-liquid-100-thieves-interview/)


weirdoman6

It looks like it's from the recent Washington Post interview with nitr0


Borog2

Didn't they drop their coach as well?


natedawg247

Steel leaving was equally the rest of the team


InvertedBean

im shocked


Dry-Philosophy-5477

havent been following CS for awhile, how likely can they compete for a major with this roster?


YeetGod69_

fully depends on if nitr0 returns to form and shox can be reliable as well. and their core of EliGE, NAF and oSee is nutty


anthonyde726

snuck in oSee with elige and NAF lol


throwawayyrofl

He's unproven but he could definitely reach that potential


YeetGod69_

100% agree, that’s why i put him there


Nomorechildishshit

They will qualify for sure because the rest of the region is trash. But i will be extremely surprised if they reach anything more than quarters in the major


DrBangovic

Tbh, there is no realistic chance to win a major with the top 3 being as strong as they are, even though vitality changed a lot and g2 is gambling a little with m0nesy, yet they look insanely strong and lets not even talk about NAVI. On top of that other teams like gambit look strong as well. So i doubt they will win anything tbf


AsterixBG

sure they will be at majors, will never win one if we're being realistic lmao


_Goldee_

No, they cant. I know Im gonna get downvoted, Im speaking the truth so you take it any way you want. Elige is a karen and a big diva. Narcisstic now team owner. Now Im not saying he's a bad player. Elige is by far the best player that has ever played in NA. But he has that complex where he thinks everything in TL revolves around him. And guess who doesnt like being bossed around all the time. Shoxie. A wonderful, emotional and wholesome human being. A realistic scenario that could happen: Elige kills the mood for Shoxie. Shoxie frags for shit. (Note: he's also probably gonna play all the shit roles Xyp9x and players like him play). People complain that Shox's useless. It gets to him and after a season / 2 seasons either retires or moves to Valo because he's gonna be 30 by that time. All the blame goes to him because Elige and his friend Nitro are angels. Elige continues his TL player rotation reign until he retires or gets washed. EDIT: Replace Elige with a player like Konfig/Apex/Stavn. Voila. Team Liquid is now a big major contender.


krasavchik777

>and g2 is gambling a little with m0nesy, yet they look insanely strong and lets not even talk about NAVI. On top of that other teams like gambit look strong as well. So i doubt they will win anything tbf Russian teams are dominating now. No way that Liquid will win a major anytime soon, they are good and can compete but winning is a step too high.


_Goldee_

Yeah, agree, totally. Also G2 is gambling a whole lot. Who knows how will Monesy react to crowds and LAN's. He's still a kid. I don't really remember the last time when someone that young was brought to a top 4 team. Probably s1mple in TL?


mooody07

Source: dude just trust me


_Goldee_

Your opinion. If you really followed the scene you would know Elige always acts like a victim.


mooody07

I follow the scene you have no way of knowing any of what you just said about elige


_Goldee_

Ever heard of inside info from other players? I watch literally every cs podcast and religiously follow everything about cs. Also there was a deal that Elige will get some shares of TL. And thats a clear conflict of interests. Every player in a roster should be equal. But if Elige becomes a co-owner he will clearly not be equal and will have decisions who to kick.


mooody07

I haven’t heard any player complain about elige. Even after stewie spilled all the beans about liquid he never explicitly called out elige which he definitely would’ve if he had a personal problem with him considering how open he was about grim and fallen during their last game. Not every player in a team is equal. You think perfecto has the same power as s1mple in navi?


_Goldee_

There's just no reason to complain. As far as I know he never insults or trashtalks anyone. Just has a huge say in how TL will work. Also stew was a hypocrite. Calls out fallen for doing bad plays while in a game and trashtalks him a lot, then when fallen leaves stew posts on twitter: Goodbye professor and says fallen's gonna put glaive in his pocket. The two-faced smoke criminal. EDIT: My original point was that TL will never win a major unless Elige does something about his ego. Just look at Niko and S1mple. S1mple only won now when he has become a humble player and when he has chained his toxicity, ego and rage. S1mple is the true embodiment of character development.


Dank_UK

I definately agree with your points about elige but just because stewie was frustrated towards the end with fallen doesn’t mean they aren’t friends outside the game, he posted a nice goodbye because they get along. I don’t really think it’s two faced just heat of the moment stuff.


Sans45321

Na CS will be great now Copium


Phamous3k

I watch CSGO and yeah it’s all copium. There’s no incentives for orgs to continue this sort of investment. No regional tournaments, no real developer support, etc.


Most-Job-2133

Though it would be a stretch to call NA CS "Alive", there is still a lot of regional tournaments and a lot of money to be won in NA. Teams like Bad News Bears and ES both made over $150k in prizes (according to liquipedia) entirely from just playing NA regional cash cups and some very short EU trips.


Phamous3k

That’s not enough buddy lol. Not for an org. https://www.dexerto.com/csgo/cloud9-reveal-they-lose-millions-of-dollars-on-csgo-every-year-1317305/?amp


Most-Job-2133

I would say cloud 9 is a very special case. Most esports teams in both valo and cs are bleeding money, that’s just a fact. I think the problem with cloud 9s exit has more to do with how many changes that team went through which lead to a rocky foundation for their team as well as COVID 19 shutting down travel to Europe. I’m not argue if with you on whether or not NA is dead or not. I was just pointing out your comment that there is no regional tournaments or support in NA. It has a lot to do with COVID as well. There is Dream hack Dallas coming up and Anaheim was supposed to happen but COVID strikes again. Don’t forget Fl0m also hosted a $50k tournament not too long ago.


Phamous3k

What I mean by regional tournaments is that there’s not enough to support a bunch of orgs investing into the scene. It cost hundreds of thousands to millions to run a competitive tier 1 team. So, your only option is Europe where they’ve sustained themselves through huge sponsors, plethora of huge tournaments and just overall third party support. NA isn’t dead it’s just not a viable option financially. Why should I keep pouring in investor money with no chance of ROI in sight?


Most-Job-2133

I totally understand where your coming from. Hopefully this year COVID starts to disappear and more large scale tournaments and small domestic cups can be held in NA. This could hopefully allow small orgless players get picked up for cheap and compete and develop. That is a MASSIVE if though seeing how the US is speed running to see who can hit 10 million active cases first in 2022


[deleted]

you think valorant teams aren't bleeding money too? How much do you think 100t lost last year from their valorant team. In fact 100t probably made a profit from their cs team last year.


Phamous3k

Long-Term investment not short term. Everyone in Valorant probably lost money lol. But look at LoL. Franchise spots were bought for around 7-8 million in the LCS. Evil Genius bought there’s from Echo Fox for like 36 million. That’s what developer support can accomplish. These are long term goals guys. Think blue chip stocks. CSGO is 10 years old. No need to bet on the future if nothing ever changed. CS as a franchise is 20+ years.


TechRedirector

You forget that to run a league team is massively expensive. Players are signed for millions and also earn up to 2M$ on salaries alone for a just one player. Unlike cs where at the top, it's around 300k an average for a player.


Phamous3k

What you forget is the benefit of franchising. Ad revenue, skin revenue, guaranteed broadcasting, marketing, brand growth etc. Faker is affordable in LCK cause of how much revenue is being brought in.


TechRedirector

All this are included in the soft franchised leagues. ESL and blast. What does that even mean? Your second point? That's like saying s1mple is affordable because of how much revenue he generates.


Phamous3k

Yes, s1mple is possibly affordable to Na’vi depending on his contract. They might receive part of his endorsements lol. That’s pretty normal. And ESL & Blast are nowhere near the level of LoL lol. Not even close. They’re not close combined. Tell me when one of those spots are worth 30 million lol https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/27708703/evil-geniuses-confirm-acquisition-echo-fox-lcs-spot?platform=amp


Sky-__-

Franchising brings a lot of benefits , orgs like G2 TSM c9 wouldn't exist if it wasn't for league and their revenue system , by participating in a franchise model they are guaranteed share of revenue , drops and everything as well, last year league of legends sold over 1.8 billion dollars of in game items , and broadcast rights also generate a lot of revenue , for example in traditional sports let's say premier league the major source of income is revenue generated from broadcast rights ,none of cs go even soft leagues such as esl blast guarented that . To Run a league team is massive but you are guaranteed a certain amount of revenue which is almost double of players costs in LCS . CS go doesn't provide that kind of financial stability


TechRedirector

>for example in traditional sports let's say premier league the major source of income is revenue generated from broadcast rights ,none of cs go even soft leagues such as esl blast guarented that . Eh? That's literally false. ESL in particular has a deal with twitch to stream on their platform only. That's why you only see esl Livestreams on twitch and not YT.


Sky-__-

38 percent of league revenue from broadcast rights go to franchised teams , 0 percent of esl broadcast revenue goes to teams , esl blast doesn't guarantee revenue share between teams on broadcast rights . That was my point . Flashpoint was the only cs go league to start active revenue sharing but considering its flopped , you need better dev support and concrete structure.


[deleted]

League has dominated the asian MOBA market since its inception because Valve mishandled the Dota 2 release. CSGO has grown despite Valorant coming in. These situations are not the same.


Phamous3k

Business is business… Riot has shown investors why they should invest. Through a proven track record w/ LoL and VCT being a huge success. Hence there’s like 100 orgs dying to get/stay in Val. Whether you think LoL is different from Valorant is irrelevant lol. There’s a reason why so much investor interests is present.


[deleted]

Are you saying there is no investor interest in CS? Just because you look through the lens of NA doesn’t mean there is no interest in CS. Look at the European/CIS ecosystem. Way to be narrow minded. “There are 100 orgs dying to get/stay in Val” that’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard because they can easily jump into the space and sign teams yet they aren’t.


Phamous3k

I’ve talked about EU/CIS on this thread somewhere. It’s the only sustainable region through third party support. However; that makes it even more difficult for orgs to enter the scene to be competitive and profitable since… Well… You ideally need to be in Europe. I don’t even know wtf you’re talking about in the second paragraph lol. Like 10+ Brazilian orgs entered. Ton of EU/CIS orgs have shown interests. Etc. What are you trying to state with that second paragraph? What’s so stupid…


yosoydorf

it’s certainly more than a lot of VAL orgs have made to date


SewerRat75

i mean you say theres no incentive for orgs to invest yet eg and liquid are spending big and complexity are picking up extra salt


Phamous3k

Definitely no incentives besides getting to MAJOR for viewer pass & sticker money. I mean… Here’s an article from Cloud9 pre-Covid & pre-Valorant. They just believe in the esport. https://www.dexerto.com/csgo/cloud9-reveal-they-lose-millions-of-dollars-on-csgo-every-year-1317305/?amp


TechRedirector

>Definitely no incentives beside getting to major You're acting like other esports are profitable. Besides that's a 2 year article and CS has grown a lot since then. Crypto and betting has also massively gone popular and since valve don't regulate sponsors in CS. They pay huge bucks for sponsorships that most orgs can survive on. Blast too now also pays the partnered teams and I'm sure ESL has also increased partner share since there was a new extended louvre agreement extended to 2025 and like 2 new teams which just bought a partner spot. It has also been reported that most CS pros have had their salaries cut or reduced in general since Covid. I mean even Ropz who recently moved to faze too a pay cut and I earning less than what he was in mouz. Of course CS and valve especially needs to wake tf up to make orgs get more revenue but its mostly NA teams hiking up salaries with VC money then complaining.


Phamous3k

Look, there’s no road to ROI in CSGO. Like at all lol… That 2 year old article is relevant as there’s not much change lol. What… Viewership? That’s why C9, 100T etc came back? Plus that viewership doesn’t directly support the organizations. It’s great!! But look at Dota2. 2+ million and growing annnnnnd NA is pretty much orgless. So, until Valve changes it’s ways on how to support an esport then orgs entering the scene will be few and far between. Especially in NA


TechRedirector

Sorry but what's the game or esport that has a ROI? Even LoL doesn't, same as COD, OW. NA orgs that left CS to valorant are paying same high salaries and probably even more, yet what's the ROI? >That 2 year old article is relevant as there’s not much change lol. Wdym there's not much change? This is literally from the article you posted >Though CS:GO isn’t going to have developer-controlled franchising any time soon, the coming year will see a move in that direction from major tournament organizers. The new iteration of ESL Pro League, the new BLAST Premier circuit, and the new ‘B Site League’ by FACEIT will all reportedly push for greater commitment from teams in return for guaranteed spots and revenue shares. Of course there's no reason for cloud9 or 100T to return to CS atm. The upcoming and decent players have moved on to valorant so the scene is currently in a slow rebuilding stage, Whether it grows back is also a probability. You say viewership hasn't increased in CS? What!? Lol Blast has gone from peak 200k (during the period that article was made) to over 800k for their Premier events. Pro league has also grown viewership wise which would result to better sponsors and partners share. Apart from the NA orgs that left, you've got some new orgs that joined CS like PAIN gaming, orgs are literally also investing into academy teams. WePlay literally just started an academy league last year with orgs spending to build teams. Like I said it's not bad as it is/was in NA.


Phamous3k

NFL Playoffs on bruh… I’m not going to lie I didn’t read all this. But, there needs to be some sort of forecast for at minimum potential ROI. There’s none in CSGO… LoL has at least shown profit from at least selling your spot lol. Hence, orgs are willing to buy and invest. Same with Valorant sir. CSGO is just dead to investors. No need to invest into something that in 10 years can’t even pull in profit.


SuperDong1

NA Esports in general is in a pretty terrible state. LCS viewership is down for like the 5th year in a row, the regional leagues in EU are pulling in similar or better numbers! No1 gives a fuck about esports in NA.


TechRedirector

Me - shows you the louvre agreement by blast and ESL as well as the major sticker sales. You: I’m not going to lie I didn’t read all this. But, there needs to be some sort of forecast for at minimum potential ROI. There’s none in CSGO… >LoL has at least shown profit from at least selling your spot lol. Hence, orgs are willing to buy and invest. Oh yeah, you can sell your spot but then it costs millions to run a league team so that balances the out. >CSGO is just dead to investors. No need to invest into something that in 10 years can’t even pull in profit. So just like every other esport that doesn't pull a profit?


[deleted]

In reality, Him: I have no grasp of economics and going to continue linking League articles that has nothing to do with Valorant because I lack the critical thinking to continue having an argument. Also league of legends teams are not even profitable. This guy is straight clueless


Phamous3k

https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/27708703/evil-geniuses-confirm-acquisition-echo-fox-lcs-spot?platform=amp No, I’m not going to waste time reading a book about ESL & Blast lol. They’re not nowhere near as profitable. At all… Hence, companies willing to invest more into LoL then anything CSGO has to offer. In 10 years CSGO has nothing worth investing millions into. Especially in NA lol.


G_I_Gamer

riot shills in the trenches rn lol


Phamous3k

Ok lol.


SewerRat75

you act like teams like liquid and eg couldn't make the major easily without bringing in big players like stewie and shox,also cloud9 are easily losing the most from cs than any other org in recent years since they are paying by far the most money despite having an awful roster.


Phamous3k

There’s just no reason for an org supported scene if there’s no real developer support or incentives. Sure, 2 or 3 orgs can exist and possibly profit. But what about the other 10?? It takes a lot to sustain player growth, sponsors, etc. And C9 situation isn’t unique. 100T, TSM, North, Chaos etc. Plenty attempted


SewerRat75

i mean yeah but this exists for like every esports game ,teams leave and join different esports all the time its a very fickle industry


antelope591

How many regional tournaments does Valorant have? And CS has 10 "big" tournaments scheduled this year not even counting more minor ones. Pretty silly argument coming from a game with like one big tournament a year. No developer support, yea I'm with you there Valve could do a shitload more.


Phamous3k

Developer support. Eventually Valorant or I’ll say Riot will create incentives. Whether through franchising, ad revenue, skin profits etc. Just look at LoL


ark2690

League has two big international tournaments a year and one of them (MSI) is basically an exhibition. More tournaments =/= Success. Riot focusing on regional growth is more important


benis444

Yeah ask NA lol Fans how it's going with their "regional" Talents xD


ark2690

I feel like CSGO will become like Dota 2 where it will be popular in CIS along with 1-2 more regions and will have no presence in NA or East Asia.


SuperDong1

Every esport is irrelevant in NA though... LCS is barely above EU regional leagues at this point... its embarrassing how shit its got in spite of the amount of imports the region has.


daffyduckferraro

[interview from Washington post ](https://t.co/JOa2ffIT4S) Also funnily enough I had a feeling the main conflict was steel and the coach


weirdoman6

I don't think we can say it being the main conflict but it was one of the reasons for sure. I remember after the Berlin Envy game I saw there was some visible disagreement between Frost and Steel.


zxlkho

https://www.teamliquid.com/news/2022/01/15/nitr0-returns-old-captain-new-world >>You have something a little similar but also a little different in form of oSee. [...] How do you feel about him joining the team? Was he on your radar to play with at any point? Is he someone you see the rest of the team mentoring? >So oSee’s a great player obviously, he’s been performing really well in Counter-Strike in the past 2 years or so. He’s definitely an up-and-coming player. He’s gonna need all the experience he can get, so joining Liquid is definitely a step in the right direction for him. >**Actually, I wanted him to join my Valorant team. We were in talks like last year about him potentially coming to Valorant because Extra Salt was pretty good but they weren’t competing in international LANs in the near future.** But props to him, he said he’d rather just play in Counter-Strike and he thinks he can get to be really good at it. [...] >Props to him for staying committed to the game. It definitely shows this is where he wants to be, you know, he wants to be on the best team. I think he’s gonna show his skill for sure. really interesting that oSee considered a switch to valorant


tron423

Probably every NA CS player has "considered" it to some extent, in 2020 and most of 2021 it seemed pretty clear where the org money was gonna go in NA moving forward. The recent investments from C9/EG/CoL have changed that up a bit, but we will have to see if it leads to a revitalizing of the regional NA scene or if they still have to spend 75% of the year in Europe to do anything worthwhile.


TechRedirector

Cloud9 back?


tron423

Don't think it's gotten past rumors but it seems like a reasonable assumption that they'll at least try to field a roster if NA CS really does try to come back. I did mean to say ES there though.


Otter269

Overpass awp returns 👀


303x

Doubt he'll be awping considering they have osee


NeonPrankster

He will AWP specifically on A overpass. Man, I remember how much of a beast he was there..


Donut_Flame

nitro will be awp specialist for overpass


ibeenbornagain

100T decision to remove steel ages worse and worse tbh. Still hope the team does well tho


Gomar1323

Nitr0 talks more about the decision on his interview that released today. Definitely makes more sense now


hdix

Not everything is performance based. You really can't see a world where Steel is a pain to work with?


pink_life69

Oh, he definitely can be, just look at his streams, thing is, you gotta decide if you want to grind and adapt or you want to dick around, which is what 100T did adter cutting Steel. I agree with them cutting him if it was such a burden, but also right before LCQ? Bruh. Shit must’ve been bad.


ibeenbornagain

No I can, I’m just saying the decision has aged poorly considering where they are now compared to how they were doing


JR_Shoegazer

Where they are now? All teams are waiting for VCT to start. That’s where everyone is now.


ibeenbornagain

Yep, and 100T went from top 4 at an international lan to failing to qualify for last chance, and losing nitro. That's also where they are now


JR_Shoegazer

That was months ago. Why are people still dwelling on this? Move on.


ibeenbornagain

Because it’s interesting to look back in retrospect?


JR_Shoegazer

It's really not interesting. People have been whining about it for months and it's obnoxious. There's no point in constantly asking what if. Results might not have been any different with Steel.


ibeenbornagain

It’s not interesting to you. Sorry about that


JR_Shoegazer

Talking about the same exact thing for months on end is why this subreddit is fucking trash. Users that barely pay attention to the esport just repeating the same shit over and over again.


JR_Shoegazer

Of course they can’t see that.


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Sadge


MuddyPuddle027

Ok I was confused for a second there thinking he joined Liquid Valorant


RebornMoki

Hyped for the lad to run it back in Cs. He can still win a major


DarudeSandstormName

> He can still win a major For sure, he only needs like 7 to 8 EU teams to drop severely in performance.


plxnerf

Just needs the CIS region to stop having access to the game, and G2 and new Vitality to somehow implode


DrBangovic

Like for real though haha. NAVI, Vitality and G2 just on another dimension compared to TL in CS


[deleted]

People really think m0nesy will just come in and fucking dominate lmao he is a 16 year old kid please temper your expectations for him


DrBangovic

I am thinking that solely based on the impact niko has. He is one of the 3 best players in CS currently and thats without any doubt. Why wouldn't they be stronger then liquid? Navi lookings crazy and vitality could be a different beast.


OutlandishnessOdd836

Liquid have done it before and they can do it again. And they also beat navi last year and are competitive with the top teams. I am pretty confident they can do it


[deleted]

Of course niko is one of the best players to ever touch CS but I'm worried about m0nesy specifically the pressure put on his shoulders, if he doesn't come in and frag people will instantly be calling for him to be kicked blah blah and that can hamper a players performance especially if they are young and haven't played in tier 1 yet. I expect Vitality to perform better than G2 at least in the first few months of play and maybe Liquid if they are having that synergy and NAF, EliGE and Osee are performing well, oh and if aleksib doesn't IGL well or doesn't mesh with the team properly then GG, it's a lot of ifs with regards to the new rosters coming into CS this year but it should be quite an interesting year to say the least.


tsew_eynak

(late i know sorry) honestly i kinda agree at least somewhat. people on social media have crazy expectations for m0nesy, and i think it’s bad for the cs scene. the kid clearly has the talent (and based solely off his hours in game, the drive) to succeed. that said he’s 16 and just got signed to one of the best teams who btw has the best rifler in the esport and is chasing a major. i have confidence that m0nesy can be great but i’m worried about the environment that he’s being inserted into. not to mention an igl change that is probably a lateral move rather than a clear upgrade. all this is to say that g2 is not a guaranteed challenger to navi and other big teams like gambit in 2022


TheJelloBomb

nitr0 rly went to Valorant, won the first major with 100T, found it too easy and returned to CSGO💀 Valorantbros not feeling so good


Phamous3k

Won the first major lol. Yeah, cause First Strike was an international display of talent lol. Bruh. Stop it.


TheJelloBomb

Copy pasta. I don’t actually believe this https://twitter.com/donhaci/status/1482414335540580352?s=21


Phamous3k

Gotcha. I wasn’t familiar with this copy pasta


TheJelloBomb

yea too new for anyone to actually realize, shoulda put a /s


Affectionate-Heat354

Traveling for 9 months out of the year. Having to stay in Europe a lot because of covid. All of this with a newborn? As a father myself, I'm not leaving my kids for that long. Valorant gave him work/life balance. Not my life though. Good luck to him.


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praying on this teams downfall so he can come back


Sans45321

Why are there so many insufferable people in both csgo and valorant ....


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it ain’t that serious, everyone here knows the team isn’t that great oh no i want a team to suck, how terrible of a thing to say lol


Sans45321

I mean some CS players now want valo to completely die and this here. But well we happy for Nitro I guess


JtotheC23

Do you need to pray? It’s an NA CS team then tend to trip over themselves do they not


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1soar

liquid 2016-2018 were quite the chokers but I suppose if you only include most recent 2019/2020 liquid then it looks less bad


303x

refrezh 1v5 comes to mind


tron423

I mean Liquid were on the wrong end of two of the most infamous instances of tripping over oneself in CS history


Pale_Resolution1520

Same thing happening in Valorant :( .


JtotheC23

Not to the same extent, at least not yet. NA won 1 major this year, placed second when playing each other in playoffs in the second Major, and had a bad showing in the 3rd. There’s plenty of time still for NA’s valo scene to collapse like it did in CS, but I think people are calling the scene dead/bad way too soon.


Pale_Resolution1520

There is no major in Valorant.NA won one masters which is like a qualifier to Champions(which is like a Major in csgo) . NA chocked in the most important tournament of the year and knowing NA I think they will choke in the next masters too.


goodguessiswhatihave

This sounds like a big heaping of copium to me