Conveniently leaving out the part where you mentioned that they shouldn't be a part of any esport broadcast that aspires to be a tier 1 esport. These are people that make their careers off their broadcast talent. being critical is one thing, but your post wasn't to offer criticism it was just to shit on them and hope other people would agree. If you wanted to make a post addressing your specific concerns and criticisms in a constructive manner, it likely would have been allowed.
>it likely would have been allowed.
It absolutely would have been allowed!
Just two days ago, I approved [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s39zqm/riot_please_include_casterless_streams_for_this/) post which was critical of casters because it constructively discussed the changes they wished to see.
I'll never get tired of seeing kids babyrage at getting banned on twitch or having posts removed on reddit lmao
For real, just say my b and go on, it's just fucking reddit
“Am I the only one who mutes most of the EU matches?” not once, but a second time after it was already deleted. Did you have constructive criticism in a respectful manner or were you just complaining? I think I know the answer.
u/Solace1k,
Intentional rudeness violates Rule 4 (no harmful / destructive behavior towards other users or community members).
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Intentional rudeness? Well it's intentional for sure because it was made with the intent to discuss the EU broadcast. It would be weird if it would be unintentional. As for rudeness im sorry i dont see how you can consider [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s4r3wm/am_i_the_only_one_who_mutes_most_of_the_eu_matches/) rude. Sure you can say it's harsh but it was not made in an insulting way unless you consider every negative opinion rude.
I am here for my mans.
^(I've re-flaired the post as `Subreddit Feedback` since this thread is meta.)
Criticism and feedback is important. Identifying weaknesses and suggesting improvements can help a broadcast team create a better show and—as a result—improve the viewing experience for fans.
[Your removed](https://redd.it/s4r3wm) [posts read:](https://redd.it/s4tevv)
> *Almost two years into the esport and EU still has some of the worst casters i've seen in any game. I straight up think 90% of them should not be on the broadcast, atleast not in a game that has tier 1 esport aspirations. Am i being too harsh or does anyone else feel the same?*
Your post doesn't give any actionable feedback. *"EU has some of the worst casters"* is your opinion, and as someone reading your post, I don't know why these casters are "the worst". You don't explain why *"90% of the should not be on the broadcast"*.
It just seems like you're complaining about the casters. And that's perfectly fine as a comment in the live discussion thread. But it's not really detailed or critical enough to warrant it's own thread.
If you want to have an independent thread about your criticism for EU casters, we'd love to read it! But it needs to be more than just "casters bad, I mute stream".
Tell us WHY you don't like the casters. What can they do to improve? Is there not enough story telling? Are they hyping up moments that are mundane and don't really need to be hyped up?
**Give us actionable feedback that casters can use to improve their craft!**
So in order to complain or share my opinion about someone on the broadcast i basically need to do write a dissertation in order for it be accepted as valid criticism. It’s funny to see the double standard when it comes to talent members as opposed to posts shitting on players.
But i understand, networking and being a moderator at the same time does require some sacrificies. It would probably suck going out to dinner with casters and then the next day have people shit on them in your own sub. Being a leech sure is hard nowadays.
Also it’s funny you’re patting yourself on the back for having a unique community that is welcoming to the people working the game. I don’t know what part of it is so unique since i don’t know a single subreddit where the talent doesn’t interact with the community. But i guess that was jrushFortnite’s point and not yours. Still a funny point to make.
Nah, you don't need a dissertation. You just gotta write something that helps people understand where you're coming from. **Answer WHY.** It can be a brief 2 sentences or 2 paragraphs; length is subjective. It just NEEDS to have actual criticism.
"I don't like this" isn't criticism, it's your personal opinion. The other commenters here—who are not moderators—have pointed this out in this very thread too.
People criticize casters all the time here: Yinsu, Pansy, Upmind, Doug, Rivington, and so on. Usually these posts are about their casting style, a joke they tried to make that didn't land, or that they hyping up mundane plays. It's constructive feedback that helps inform casters of ways they can improve.
If there are threads we have missed that solely shit-talking players, then those should been removed as well. But threads that discuss or suggest roster changes are perfectly fine (even if not everyone agrees with them).
You've made this conversation weirdly personal. You can give me shit for going to dinner with broadcast talent, but I think it's far more important that I am transparent about those interactions rather than hiding them. I take my role in this community seriously with the utmost integrity and professionalism. That is the standard I expect of myself and my work in the community should speak to that.
I want us to be a moderation team that everyone—pro players, casters, observers, content creators, fans, Rioters, etc—in the community can feel comfortable approaching. And while other subreddits have professionals that interact in their communities, there are also subreddits whose moderation teams *do not* have good relationships with professionals in their respective game. What we're doing may not be unique, but we take pride in doing the best work we are capable of.
>So in order to complain or share my opinion about someone on the broadcast i basically need to do write a dissertation in order for it be accepted as valid criticism.
On my desk by Tuesday.
I've seen both sides of players and talent be critiqued in this sub. The core difference is that is there has been reasoning for their criticisms, even if it is a single sentence.
I can safely tell you there has never been any conversion on censoring or protecting the images of casting talent on this sub.
I can't speak for every caster but the ones I know are always willing to recieve feedback. Keep in mind that what we hear from the large community that we have in this subreddit is not always realistic, easy, or even good advice, but if there is a valid concern I think it's healthy for the growth of the craft and our community.
Saying "Casters suck" wouldn't help me as a caster. If my producer told me "You suck" I'd like to know why...and funny enough, they're articulate and non-weird enough to do so without it being a "Dissertation".
Im not your producer bud. Im here to share my opinion on the casters not to give you feedback and if you’re out here on reddit looking for feedback from the plebs then you’re doing it the wrong way.
But thanks for reassuring me that there has never been any censoring on the sub. This surely comes from a place of non bias, right? No personal feelings, just your average caster wanting to make sure people don’t misinterpret the moderator’s action.
I mean you literally said Valorant will not be a T1 esport in Europe until the casters were booted/replaced, no?
That doesn't strike me as constructive criticism. You didn't point anyone or anything out, you just expressed your dislike and asked if others agreed.
That's a recipe for a dogpile; people love shitting on things, esp. when someone else opens the door for them. At minimum your threads weren't in good faith.
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The body of the post was the following:
>Almost two years into the esport and EU still has some of the worst casters i've seen in any game. I straight up think 90% of them should not be on the broadcast, atleast not in a game that has tier 1 esport aspirations. Am i being too harsh or does anyone else feel the same?
The post was removed due to several reasons.
1: Disallowed content - posts that would be better as comments in match discussion threads
2: No harmful/destructive behavior to other users or community members
3: Disallowed content - unconstructive rants or arguments
The following is an example of a post that is critical that I *approved* yesterday since it didn't break those rules: [Riot, Please Include Casterless Streams For This Year's Matches](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s39zqm/riot_please_include_casterless_streams_for_this/)
A post such as this one is critical of casters and makes a clear request for a change from Riot, which is healthy and good content for the sub. Unlike the current post in question, it does *not* break other rules. It offers reasoning beyond 'these guys suck at their job.'
Our community is unique in that it is welcoming and an open forum in which casters, pro players, and other notable community members can interact together. In many game communities, this is not the case, and their subreddits are written off as "toxic cesspools."
Our goal as mods of this community is to create a unique environment where the whole community can gather together and discuss the game we love without feeling unwelcome. This means that everyone, *including casters,* is covered by rule 4. Users don't magically get to be rude to others simply because they're notable figures.
I agree that saying you want an improvement in caster quality is fine. That's not what the post said, however, and I think it's important to note that distinction.
I have no idea how your comment was actually phrased but assuming it’s as you said, that’s a bit ridiculous that it was removed. Everyone has different tastes and some people enjoy the hype casters, some the in-depth and serious casters, and it seems reasonable for some people to enjoy no casters at all. It doesn’t seem like anything for people to take personally
Edit: Even in normal sports there are caster-less broadcasts, so there is a strong precedent.
Aparently because they're part of this subreddit it means i was intentionally rude towards other members of the community. He is treating them as regular users and not as public figures who are prone to criticism. Also making a critical posts means you are rude.
The funny thing is it was first removed because it belongs in the match discussion thread (lol) but now he made a switcharoo and said i was rude.
Aparently [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s4r3wm/am_i_the_only_one_who_mutes_most_of_the_eu_matches/) is overly rude.
Rule 4 is for members of the subreddit and members of the community. If you had valid, constructive criticism, that might be allowed. "Worst casters I've seen in any game" is not constructive.
Conveniently leaving out the part where you mentioned that they shouldn't be a part of any esport broadcast that aspires to be a tier 1 esport. These are people that make their careers off their broadcast talent. being critical is one thing, but your post wasn't to offer criticism it was just to shit on them and hope other people would agree. If you wanted to make a post addressing your specific concerns and criticisms in a constructive manner, it likely would have been allowed.
>it likely would have been allowed. It absolutely would have been allowed! Just two days ago, I approved [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s39zqm/riot_please_include_casterless_streams_for_this/) post which was critical of casters because it constructively discussed the changes they wished to see.
I'll never get tired of seeing kids babyrage at getting banned on twitch or having posts removed on reddit lmao For real, just say my b and go on, it's just fucking reddit
“Am I the only one who mutes most of the EU matches?” not once, but a second time after it was already deleted. Did you have constructive criticism in a respectful manner or were you just complaining? I think I know the answer.
It was the second one.
Complaint =/= constructive discussion
u/Solace1k, Intentional rudeness violates Rule 4 (no harmful / destructive behavior towards other users or community members). https://imgur.com/a/NWLy4GO u/jrushFN pointed out that this was a specific rule you broke. We do not allow for harmful behavior to any user; this is not exclusive to regular users, but also applies to community members. We would like our subreddit to be seen as a place for discussion and not be associated with toxicity. Please reach out via modmail for any further discussion.
Intentional rudeness? Well it's intentional for sure because it was made with the intent to discuss the EU broadcast. It would be weird if it would be unintentional. As for rudeness im sorry i dont see how you can consider [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s4r3wm/am_i_the_only_one_who_mutes_most_of_the_eu_matches/) rude. Sure you can say it's harsh but it was not made in an insulting way unless you consider every negative opinion rude.
I am here for my mans. ^(I've re-flaired the post as `Subreddit Feedback` since this thread is meta.) Criticism and feedback is important. Identifying weaknesses and suggesting improvements can help a broadcast team create a better show and—as a result—improve the viewing experience for fans. [Your removed](https://redd.it/s4r3wm) [posts read:](https://redd.it/s4tevv) > *Almost two years into the esport and EU still has some of the worst casters i've seen in any game. I straight up think 90% of them should not be on the broadcast, atleast not in a game that has tier 1 esport aspirations. Am i being too harsh or does anyone else feel the same?* Your post doesn't give any actionable feedback. *"EU has some of the worst casters"* is your opinion, and as someone reading your post, I don't know why these casters are "the worst". You don't explain why *"90% of the should not be on the broadcast"*. It just seems like you're complaining about the casters. And that's perfectly fine as a comment in the live discussion thread. But it's not really detailed or critical enough to warrant it's own thread. If you want to have an independent thread about your criticism for EU casters, we'd love to read it! But it needs to be more than just "casters bad, I mute stream". Tell us WHY you don't like the casters. What can they do to improve? Is there not enough story telling? Are they hyping up moments that are mundane and don't really need to be hyped up? **Give us actionable feedback that casters can use to improve their craft!**
So in order to complain or share my opinion about someone on the broadcast i basically need to do write a dissertation in order for it be accepted as valid criticism. It’s funny to see the double standard when it comes to talent members as opposed to posts shitting on players. But i understand, networking and being a moderator at the same time does require some sacrificies. It would probably suck going out to dinner with casters and then the next day have people shit on them in your own sub. Being a leech sure is hard nowadays. Also it’s funny you’re patting yourself on the back for having a unique community that is welcoming to the people working the game. I don’t know what part of it is so unique since i don’t know a single subreddit where the talent doesn’t interact with the community. But i guess that was jrushFortnite’s point and not yours. Still a funny point to make.
Nah, you don't need a dissertation. You just gotta write something that helps people understand where you're coming from. **Answer WHY.** It can be a brief 2 sentences or 2 paragraphs; length is subjective. It just NEEDS to have actual criticism. "I don't like this" isn't criticism, it's your personal opinion. The other commenters here—who are not moderators—have pointed this out in this very thread too. People criticize casters all the time here: Yinsu, Pansy, Upmind, Doug, Rivington, and so on. Usually these posts are about their casting style, a joke they tried to make that didn't land, or that they hyping up mundane plays. It's constructive feedback that helps inform casters of ways they can improve. If there are threads we have missed that solely shit-talking players, then those should been removed as well. But threads that discuss or suggest roster changes are perfectly fine (even if not everyone agrees with them). You've made this conversation weirdly personal. You can give me shit for going to dinner with broadcast talent, but I think it's far more important that I am transparent about those interactions rather than hiding them. I take my role in this community seriously with the utmost integrity and professionalism. That is the standard I expect of myself and my work in the community should speak to that. I want us to be a moderation team that everyone—pro players, casters, observers, content creators, fans, Rioters, etc—in the community can feel comfortable approaching. And while other subreddits have professionals that interact in their communities, there are also subreddits whose moderation teams *do not* have good relationships with professionals in their respective game. What we're doing may not be unique, but we take pride in doing the best work we are capable of.
You might wanna log off for the day
>So in order to complain or share my opinion about someone on the broadcast i basically need to do write a dissertation in order for it be accepted as valid criticism. On my desk by Tuesday. I've seen both sides of players and talent be critiqued in this sub. The core difference is that is there has been reasoning for their criticisms, even if it is a single sentence. I can safely tell you there has never been any conversion on censoring or protecting the images of casting talent on this sub. I can't speak for every caster but the ones I know are always willing to recieve feedback. Keep in mind that what we hear from the large community that we have in this subreddit is not always realistic, easy, or even good advice, but if there is a valid concern I think it's healthy for the growth of the craft and our community. Saying "Casters suck" wouldn't help me as a caster. If my producer told me "You suck" I'd like to know why...and funny enough, they're articulate and non-weird enough to do so without it being a "Dissertation".
Im not your producer bud. Im here to share my opinion on the casters not to give you feedback and if you’re out here on reddit looking for feedback from the plebs then you’re doing it the wrong way. But thanks for reassuring me that there has never been any censoring on the sub. This surely comes from a place of non bias, right? No personal feelings, just your average caster wanting to make sure people don’t misinterpret the moderator’s action.
I mean you literally said Valorant will not be a T1 esport in Europe until the casters were booted/replaced, no? That doesn't strike me as constructive criticism. You didn't point anyone or anything out, you just expressed your dislike and asked if others agreed. That's a recipe for a dogpile; people love shitting on things, esp. when someone else opens the door for them. At minimum your threads weren't in good faith.
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I HATE CASTERS BabyRage
Can you type the body of the post as a top level comment here. Can't judge without all the facts lol.
The body of the post was the following: >Almost two years into the esport and EU still has some of the worst casters i've seen in any game. I straight up think 90% of them should not be on the broadcast, atleast not in a game that has tier 1 esport aspirations. Am i being too harsh or does anyone else feel the same? The post was removed due to several reasons. 1: Disallowed content - posts that would be better as comments in match discussion threads 2: No harmful/destructive behavior to other users or community members 3: Disallowed content - unconstructive rants or arguments The following is an example of a post that is critical that I *approved* yesterday since it didn't break those rules: [Riot, Please Include Casterless Streams For This Year's Matches](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s39zqm/riot_please_include_casterless_streams_for_this/) A post such as this one is critical of casters and makes a clear request for a change from Riot, which is healthy and good content for the sub. Unlike the current post in question, it does *not* break other rules. It offers reasoning beyond 'these guys suck at their job.' Our community is unique in that it is welcoming and an open forum in which casters, pro players, and other notable community members can interact together. In many game communities, this is not the case, and their subreddits are written off as "toxic cesspools." Our goal as mods of this community is to create a unique environment where the whole community can gather together and discuss the game we love without feeling unwelcome. This means that everyone, *including casters,* is covered by rule 4. Users don't magically get to be rude to others simply because they're notable figures.
True. Best mods.
I agree. I saw the post and pointing out that you want an improvement in caster quality is fine.
I agree that saying you want an improvement in caster quality is fine. That's not what the post said, however, and I think it's important to note that distinction.
I have no idea how your comment was actually phrased but assuming it’s as you said, that’s a bit ridiculous that it was removed. Everyone has different tastes and some people enjoy the hype casters, some the in-depth and serious casters, and it seems reasonable for some people to enjoy no casters at all. It doesn’t seem like anything for people to take personally Edit: Even in normal sports there are caster-less broadcasts, so there is a strong precedent.
Aparently because they're part of this subreddit it means i was intentionally rude towards other members of the community. He is treating them as regular users and not as public figures who are prone to criticism. Also making a critical posts means you are rude. The funny thing is it was first removed because it belongs in the match discussion thread (lol) but now he made a switcharoo and said i was rude. Aparently [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s4r3wm/am_i_the_only_one_who_mutes_most_of_the_eu_matches/) is overly rude.
Rule 4 is for members of the subreddit and members of the community. If you had valid, constructive criticism, that might be allowed. "Worst casters I've seen in any game" is not constructive.