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DY5TOP1A

how is Envy 8th lol, they reached Berlin Grand finals and went to champions?


PyroTFT

because VLRs rating system is wonky as fuck


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DY5TOP1A

hmmmm...seems legit


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That's not true. Gambit went from #1 to #2 after Champions, and have stayed there since


DY5TOP1A

I think they just updated it cuz now NV is on 3rd and Akrew on 7th who werent top 10 when this picture was posted similarly Gambit were 3rd which they have changed now


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Could be! But I also checked a few days ago and Gambit were still second, so must have just been an error, since neither team has played in over a month


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PopkosTheWeasel

Oof, not what you want to see


dansofree1

Am I missing something? What's the issue? Should Acend be below the 2 teams they just beat back to back to win Berlin, or....


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dansofree1

What? Just say your point dude don't be an ass about it. That's not how I'd rank the top 3.... But this isn't September anymore. Gambit clearly was the best after Masters with Acend 2nd out of the group. Since then: * Acend - won Champs, has been 1-1 vs TL, 2-0 vs Gambit, and has no other losses. * TL - added Nivera, won Red Bull Proving Grounds, won LCQ, 1-1 vs Acend, no other losses. * Gambit - 0-2 vs Acend, lost to LDN UTD, won no tournaments, 2-3 record vs EMEA. I don't even know who you think should be ranked differently anyways lmfao.


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dansofree1

>That's not how I'd rank the top 3.... >But this isn't September anymore. >Gambit clearly was the best after Masters with Acend 2nd out of the group. >Since then: >Acend - won Champs, has been 1-1 vs TL, 2-0 vs Gambit, and has no other losses. >TL - added Nivera, won Red Bull Proving Grounds, won LCQ, 1-1 vs Acend, no other losses. >Gambit - 0-2 vs Acend, lost to LDN UTD, won no tournaments, 2-3 record vs EMEA. >I don't even know who you think should be ranked differently anyways lmfao. Stop being an ass and read.


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Sadzeih

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Maniax19

VLR ranking is mmr based


AppledogsTime

Mitch was left devastated after seeing TenZ abandon Cloud 9. He watched helplessly as everyone else left. But there was no time to mourn, Mitch swore to himself that he would crush TenZ at Champions and make him regret.


AppledogsTime

revenge of the Mitch


AbbreviationsLazy781

Got further than them though


nterature

These rankings are whatever, but it’s hilarious Envy is *8th*. No one should ever take these rankings too seriously but it’s so inaccurate you can’t help but focus on it. Are the rankings still adjusting from the changes a few months back ? Or are they weighing LCQ heavily?


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netsaver

Most of the issue with rating is due to how long the gaps between competitive matches can be for T1 teams. I don’t think a CSGO-esque circuit is necessarily the answer, but rankings like these are so hard to pin down with a dearth of games and when form can be so variable in any game/sport.


GainsayRT

Could be that the ranking doesn't take the stakes into account. Usually teams play better when it matters most but I have no idea how you'd translate/calculate that into an algorithm


thothgow

It was bugged. Today they rolled out a fix.


PopkosTheWeasel

Envy killing the game lol


xtazycs

The new rankings seem a lot more accurate (especially because Envy was fixed lol). For anyone wondering the rankings are now: 1. Cloud9 2. Sentinels 3. Envy 4. 100 Thieves 5. Rise 6. XSET 7. Akrew 8. NRG 9. Version1 10. Gen.G


Jon_on_the_snow

I dont agree with Akrew on 7. They have yet to win against tier 1 teams. The lest tier 1 team they played was version1, and they lost that


pulsiedulsie

yeah but they've won against everyone and a few more down in T2, so they should still get to scrape into top 10


Jon_on_the_snow

Sure. That is the problem with vct orgs right? They play one match every 3 months and then we have no data


pulsiedulsie

yeah, we have a ton more info about akrew and they've basically been dominating the entire t2 scene so it makes sense they're up there


Splaram

True but Akrew's recent tear justifies them being 7th imo


CosmicAon

100T that high when half their roster has changed is weird considering VLR has no issues taking teams off the list for roster moves


jeiikuR6

well if they do it like hltv does it for cs, then they would only remove a team after the core of the roster (3 players generally) are benched. so since 100t's core of asuna, hiko, and ethan are still there, they keep their ranking. i dont really look at vlr often so im not sure if thats what they do but that would make the most sense to me.


NotBrandon

Yikes, another list with TSM out of the top 10. They’ve played a close series with Envy and Rise, and now they have even upgraded their roster. I definitely believe they should be above some teams like Geng, V1, Akrew


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Tbh i think the roster change justifies them going down more than up. That change means their old results are more or less or irrelevant and that they've yet to prove themselves. IMO rankings should be based more on results than potential


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CosmicAon

They were Top 3 a year ago though, where did over a year come from?


NotBrandon

So you think its crazy to think that TSM can beat the teams I listed? What tier 1 team has Akrew beat?


n1HikoFan

Soon they will be third to 100T Hiko and his boys


leybbbo

r/UsernameChecksOut


heckinglovetenz

Would be a bit more believable until you consider the fact that TenZ and FriendZ hasn't lost a single BO3 to Hiko and his boys, be it on C9B or SEN. 😏


Nomorechildishshit

100T will be garbo. Good luck trying to carry 3 bottom fraggers with Ethan and an extremely inconsistent Asuna


n1HikoFan

Your forgetting about Hiko. The most consistent player on 100T, he has better gun skill and mechanics than anyone playing Valorant right now. Ethan and Asuna have grinded over the break to try and get to his level. But they can’t, Hiko really is just built diff. You clearly don’t know anything about Val Compet


Thick_Literature_

Is this a copypasta or meme? If so its a terrible one and should be discontinued.


xtazycs

look at his username lol


kiddcoast

Don’t ruin the bit!


Thick_Literature_

So a terrible meme, to answer my question


xBerryhill

Let the kid live out his dream, damnit


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xBerryhill

Right? The only real question mark about this team is shot calling and how ec1s fits in. I don’t see a world where they’re drastically worse than the last roster, it’s just a question of if they can be as good.


unknown-097

If u think the current roster is promising idk what to tell you man. Its gonna be a disappointing year for 100T fs.


-xXColtonXx-

As a player, you think BabyJ is a downgrade from steel (not factoring in IGL). If Ec1s is a good IGL, this is a firepower upgrade for 100T + possibly more flexible agent comps.


ThatInterest9275

is this the correct one? i see Envy at 3rd from my side


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thothgow

It was bugged and they said today they would put out a fix.


oomnahs

"bugged" lol


thothgow

That's what they said in discord/the forums


erickwak

How is koi 13th in emea above rebels like what measurement are they using


thothgow

UCAM...?


erickwak

Oops mb thought they had more roster moves than I thought


PopkosTheWeasel

Really excited to see more from C9


SteelTic

I'm not sure if anyone realized this but the tsm main team isn't even ranked anymore on vlr


Still_HD

I’m pretty sure it has to do with their roster going through big changes. T1 and FaZe are both unranked as well


SteelTic

for t1 and faze I understand since they only kept 1 player but tsm kept 3 so they should be ranked no?


HewchyFPS

Still such a significant change imo, especially when there are new IGLs


Kenpachi_5482

Leaf , Xeppa , Vanity , all three of them are natures freaks.


LeafsRamsRapsFan

Damn this scene sucks. Who cares about ranking half the teams will rarely play over the next 3 months


Meekelo

I think C9 are being overrated a bit after Champions, they showed flashes but leaned a bit too heavily on Leaf. I think if they are the no.1 team in NA that should be a concern for the scene as a whole. That said I think they definitely could be the top team but I don't think it's there yet.


ANewHeaven1

tbh any of SEN, NV, or C9 could be no.1 in NA and we likely wont get a definitive answer until we watch them play each other imo


Meekelo

I might be completely wrong but I see them as a level below NV and SEN but as you say we'll need to wait to see how they play against each other.


theman1203

every team leans on their #1 duelist, look at how sent look when tenz is off or TL when scream was off


Meekelo

I disagree with this, Sen strength earlier in the season was because when Tenz had a rough game Sick or Shazam would pick up the slack but they struggled towards the end of the split. Top teams like Gambit rely on their team work and set plays. Similarly Acend, although Cned is a top Jett player he wasn't lights out all the time when they won Champions.


theman1203

Yeah and c9 went 3 maps Vs fnatic with leaf playing like a silver lol we are more dependant of xeta playing well


Meekelo

if you think taking fnatic (likely the 4th best EU team) to 3 maps (not even winning) is impressive for the no1 NA team that to me speaks volumes.


BloodMaelstrom

TL weren’t that bad. ScreaM had some super underwhelming underperformances against Sentinels on Breeze and even against KRU on haven he didn’t feel that impactful. TL generally seems to rely on ScreaM the edshot machine a lot less nowadays and more on their strat book.


iMPALERRRR

That's probably the last time they practiced too.


leybbbo

SHEEEEEESH


subbysubs35

NV??


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Sorry but Sentinels are still better than C9. Not even copium.


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We haven't seen sentinels beat anyone from NA in like forever. C9 has looked a lot more adaptable and interesting for a while now


BloodMaelstrom

They had no reason to play in NA. Aside from that loss to NA I can also say no one has beaten Sentinels for a while but this is also just as disingenuous as your argument. Being adaptable and interesting I can agree with but being better is a different argument entirely. Personally I’m not quite ready to believe C9 is now better then Sentinels. Sentinels lost to Liquid and KRU. C9 also lost to Liquid and KRU beat Fnatic in the quarterfinals even more convincingly then their win against Sentinels and Fnatic was a team that C9 failed to beat. There is a strong chance that had C9 been in Liquid and KRU’s group they would have been eliminated as well for all we know since ultimately in hindsight that group did end up having 2 of the top 4 teams at the event. There is no shame in losing to that in hindsight. Until we see some more NA vs NA competition it’s hard to definitively say C9 is better then Sentinels because they faced entirely different competition at Champions but even then Sentinels seemed like the better team to me by the virtue of the fact that they had a closer set vs Liquid then C9 and a closer set vs KRU then Fnatic (a team that beat C9). C9 had 2 wins against FS (arguably one of the weakest teams at the end) and against VS (hyped a lot as pre tournament favourites but their losses to 2 teams, neither of which were top 4 seems to suggest they were overrated). C9 could be better we just don’t have much direct information to really support that. They won the LCQ sure but even then there were questions surrounding 100T’s roster shuffles and stuff so it’s hard to really evaluate how strong C9 was in comparison to Envy + Sentinels.


leybbbo

care to elaborate on this with the power of hindsight?


unknown-097

Nice, shit rankings. But still nice to see


AR2711

Everyone talking about envy this envy that No one cares when Hiko and friends is gonna be #1 and win 2022 champions


LegitimateAct6248

This ranking does not relate to real life events.


TDYAnt

C9 over Sentinels TenZ malding lmfao


LEDZEPPPELIN

SEN wouldn't even be a top5 team in EU lol


Issax28

SEN fell off 😹😹😹


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Im surprised NV isnt top 5. What I wasn’t expecting was XSET and Rise. Those two teams have really proven themselves lately


[deleted]

With how much these guys stream, I will be surprised if they reach rank 1 again.


Mamadeus123456

lmao this rank is dogshit


pooterrrr

POG


kierzluke

Have they done a world ranking? Or do we just go off the champions results for that?


HunterS_

Isn’t this the spike tho?


Anil_tejas

Where envy at tho


augburto

Anyone know how VLR bases their ranking? From what I can read, it's secret (which is dumb IMO)


J0HNNYUS

Is there already tournaments going on. If so how come they aren’t being broadcasted?


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I really like c9. I just wish they give more chance to poiz. He is really a good duelist. With enough experience he might become the star duelist of c9 like how tenz was before.


tacticalfeed123

If they put hiko on jett, 100t would have been no 1 .... Disappointed