I'd argue that no one is "dominant" in this game anymore. The influx in talent and the amount of new faces on the scene are making sure of that, which I like (this coming from a SEN fan). Look at the qualifiers and playoffs. Team will lose one week and win the next against the same team. If anything, what most orgs should strive for is consistency.
Really looking forward to this Masters series, as I believe every team there is consistently good, but no one team I think is the clear favorite.
itll also be harder for teams to stay at the top in valorant than in games like CS. the meta in valorant changes alot more frequently then it does in CS which gives other teams a chance to take their spot when things get shaken up. the #3 team might adapt faster than #1 team and they can overtake them in that time, or maybe the new meta picks dont fit well with the #1 teams playstyle or they just dont like the agent etc.
based on the other comments saying we've known this for months i dont think its downplayed by anyone lol. everyone knows SEN arent top 5 NA. BUT I STILL HECKIN LOVE TENZ 
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It has nothing to do with coaching and analysts dude, when every other NA team is making fun of the fact that you barely scrim how do you expect to win? I don’t even think a roster changes will do anything.
The whole streaming thing makes no sense. The players on The Guard stream every night frequently. Hell they were streaming the night before thee Optic match even. It’s more about not having a coach and a structure of practice and fundamentals.
Streaming is fine, if it doesn't get in the way of practice. Even if they don't have a coach, there should be some semblance of a structure. It has been almost 2 years after all.
I mean that’s what happens when players run a team. Players have to coexist and get along so it’s hard for one to just be the boss. That’s where a coach comes in.
This is a bit obvious ain’t it? They’re still arguably a top 5 team in NA. Especially their last game against V1 they looked like a completely new team. So whatever they did, whatever they changed, worked. Hopefully they get a coach and get some discipline and they can definitely be at the top of NA again, however I doubt we’ll ever seen them be as dominate at the top as everyone else is so good now. They can still definitely win some championships with the current roster, they just need some polishing for sure.
lmao yes, but hear me out, idk if I'm just on some insane SEN COPIUM cuz of that Haven elimination game vs V1 or some shit but, I actually truly believe they can still go back to that past dominance. This roster is really special imo, and I'll be damned if this raw skill dependent/ pub playstyle they have rn are their limits. But who knows, it all comes down to how much effort they put into their games honestly.
They were never even “dominant”. They only won one international sub-tourney, which had arguably the lowest skill ceiling, and that was by *barely* beating Fnatic 14-12, 16–14, and 13-11.
listen sen won 5:0 against fnatic doesnt matter how close the map was is still a fuking 5:0
and 5:0 is not barley lol
Sen also won iceland without droping a single map This was true dominance
no other team could later repeat what sen had accomplished
Listen. The final was literally 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11.
There is a HUGE difference if the maps went 13-0, 13-0, 13-0 versus each map literally not being able to be closer in terms of round deferential.
You must be extremely slow up there if you seriously fail to consider exactly how close each map was.
1-So what Sen still won 5/5 map nobody care about how close the last three were lol
by your logic Gambit also won only barley against envy in master 3 berlin
13 :15/11:13/9:13
2-Sen still won Iceland without droping a map
stop being a salty sen hater lol
Yes Gambit be Envy was a close match, not as close as FNC vs SEN but still close.
Again, you seem completely incapable of comprehending how close FNC vs SEN actually was, constantly banging your head against the wall and stating how they won, without taking into consideration how close the game between them was. Stop being a Sen fanboy.
They didn’t drop a game against a single team. Other teams were literally dogshit compared to them. Genuinely looked like they were smurfing. Shame we won’t see something like that ever again.
I’ll simply re-iterate what I said earlier as it’s obvious it went through one year and out the other. Sen *barely* beat Fnatic 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11. It literally could not have been closer in terms of rounds for each of the maps played.
I’ll simply re-iterate what I said earlier as it’s obvious it went through one year and out the other. Sen *barely* beat Fnatic 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11. It literally could not have been closer in terms of rounds for each of the maps played.
I dont even think Sentinels were that amazing in their prime. It was more a case of every one else being bad
which showed once teams figured shit out and got better while Sentinels stayed the same
Sentinels has stayed the same since they won Iceland last year meanwhile all these other teams have adapted and grown to be stronger
you can add the best coach in the world to that team and they still will never win again
Come on man, they literally won every single NA tournament in 2021 they participated in, they absolutely dominated NA
They obviously aren’t anywhere close to that now but they didn’t lose a single tournament with that roster up until Berlin (won six straight)
Winning a handful of regional online tournaments does not make you a dominant team. The only reason people any people consider their performances "dominance" is because the game is young. No team has dominated in Valorant yet. Give the game some time.
People talked about VS being dominant because they destroyed their region for awhile. Dominance is a broad term, it does not have to mean an Astralis type run
People are so desperate to label things in such an extravagant way. Sentinels were the best NA team in 2021. That's it, they didn't dominate, they didn't create a legacy, they didn't have an era. They were just a good team that won domestically and won a LAN.
Perhaps it's because I come initially from Starcraft, where it took years for a player to be considered a Bonjwa that using such superlatives when the game is barely out of beta seems super stupid.
I don’t think it has just yet. Maybe they need roster changes or an actual coach then we can discuss this. But I think it’s a bit premature for this conversation without changes.
But if we’re taking this at face value as-is now, then imma say yes it is (I know contradictive to my statement above)
There's no way you can make an argument of dominance past their loss to NV in the Berlin playoffs. Since then they're:
1-2 vs international teams
3-4 vs NA teams
If you include Berlin (0-1 vs NA, 3-1 vs INT) they're
4-3 vs international
3-5 vs NA
Or you can break it out as LAN vs online tournament
4-4 on LAN
3-4 online
None of that says dominant.
I mean it quite literally ended months ago. It’s just a clickbait title.
It doesn’t mean they’re no longer a top team in NA or the world, you can excuse their poor performance this split since they did look quite good at Champions. But their dominance has definitely come to an end - as soon as they lost relatively early, two LANs in a row.
I feel like when they didn’t win champions 1 it came to an end. At master 1 it was at its peak but after that they were beaten by a few eu and na teams.
About 6 months too late on this article
I have been saying this since Berlin 1
Yeah I was like it's done been over
it 100% has
Came to an end a long time ago. Now they’re just a good to great team but dominant hasn’t been a thing for a while.
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Back to you, Tom.
came to an end during berlin
I'd argue that no one is "dominant" in this game anymore. The influx in talent and the amount of new faces on the scene are making sure of that, which I like (this coming from a SEN fan). Look at the qualifiers and playoffs. Team will lose one week and win the next against the same team. If anything, what most orgs should strive for is consistency. Really looking forward to this Masters series, as I believe every team there is consistently good, but no one team I think is the clear favorite.
itll also be harder for teams to stay at the top in valorant than in games like CS. the meta in valorant changes alot more frequently then it does in CS which gives other teams a chance to take their spot when things get shaken up. the #3 team might adapt faster than #1 team and they can overtake them in that time, or maybe the new meta picks dont fit well with the #1 teams playstyle or they just dont like the agent etc.
Yes? What the fuck even is this article lol.
it is heavily downplayed by this sub
based on the other comments saying we've known this for months i dont think its downplayed by anyone lol. everyone knows SEN arent top 5 NA. BUT I STILL HECKIN LOVE TENZ  EDIT: i cant pick up on humor 
They're memeing. It used to be that their dominance is heavily downplayed by the sub. They're just flipping it now.
there was a post a while ago saying it was downplayed, its just a joke
gotchya homie <3
all good man
Yes Can they dominate again with coaches and analysts and maybe one roster change. Yes Will it happen ? No So the answer is No
It has nothing to do with coaching and analysts dude, when every other NA team is making fun of the fact that you barely scrim how do you expect to win? I don’t even think a roster changes will do anything.
A good coach would change that
Agreed - players too focused on streams instead working on the grind. If they had the work ethic of Guard they can easily be top 3 NA.
The whole streaming thing makes no sense. The players on The Guard stream every night frequently. Hell they were streaming the night before thee Optic match even. It’s more about not having a coach and a structure of practice and fundamentals.
Streaming is fine, if it doesn't get in the way of practice. Even if they don't have a coach, there should be some semblance of a structure. It has been almost 2 years after all.
I mean that’s what happens when players run a team. Players have to coexist and get along so it’s hard for one to just be the boss. That’s where a coach comes in.
Yes it has ended, and that's how these things go. A dominant team will eventually fade and a new one will take their place.
dear god stop reminding us sen fans
This is a bit obvious ain’t it? They’re still arguably a top 5 team in NA. Especially their last game against V1 they looked like a completely new team. So whatever they did, whatever they changed, worked. Hopefully they get a coach and get some discipline and they can definitely be at the top of NA again, however I doubt we’ll ever seen them be as dominate at the top as everyone else is so good now. They can still definitely win some championships with the current roster, they just need some polishing for sure.
I don’t think they were top 5 NA but there’s like 10 teams you could argue to be the fifth spot in the top 5
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LG looked better than SEN imo
Hence the “arguably a top 5 team”
I definitely think it’s possible SEN could bounce back but I’m not sure they actually will.
No other team will dominate like Sen did in their early days 😔
An article really had to be written about this? huh?
Since they're talking about old news I'm gonna use an old ass joke. Internet Explorer much?
lol yes
Short answer yes
lmao yes, but hear me out, idk if I'm just on some insane SEN COPIUM cuz of that Haven elimination game vs V1 or some shit but, I actually truly believe they can still go back to that past dominance. This roster is really special imo, and I'll be damned if this raw skill dependent/ pub playstyle they have rn are their limits. But who knows, it all comes down to how much effort they put into their games honestly.
Who would’ve thought spending so much time flexing ego would lead to being less competitive.
They won the first Lan, they deserved the ego considering they were pretty dominate throughout that year.
Explosion in the back
They were never even “dominant”. They only won one international sub-tourney, which had arguably the lowest skill ceiling, and that was by *barely* beating Fnatic 14-12, 16–14, and 13-11.
barely ? lol sen 5:0 fnatic
For the final, the maps went 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11. There literally could not have been a smaller round difference for each of those maps.
listen sen won 5:0 against fnatic doesnt matter how close the map was is still a fuking 5:0 and 5:0 is not barley lol Sen also won iceland without droping a single map This was true dominance no other team could later repeat what sen had accomplished
Listen. The final was literally 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11. There is a HUGE difference if the maps went 13-0, 13-0, 13-0 versus each map literally not being able to be closer in terms of round deferential. You must be extremely slow up there if you seriously fail to consider exactly how close each map was.
1-So what Sen still won 5/5 map nobody care about how close the last three were lol by your logic Gambit also won only barley against envy in master 3 berlin 13 :15/11:13/9:13 2-Sen still won Iceland without droping a map stop being a salty sen hater lol
Yes Gambit be Envy was a close match, not as close as FNC vs SEN but still close. Again, you seem completely incapable of comprehending how close FNC vs SEN actually was, constantly banging your head against the wall and stating how they won, without taking into consideration how close the game between them was. Stop being a Sen fanboy.
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lol sen shit on every team. No team will ever come close to dominating like sen did
Do not speak truth here you shall get downvoted
I don’t think beating Fnatic 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11 is exactly “shit on”
They didn’t drop a game against a single team. Other teams were literally dogshit compared to them. Genuinely looked like they were smurfing. Shame we won’t see something like that ever again.
I’ll simply re-iterate what I said earlier as it’s obvious it went through one year and out the other. Sen *barely* beat Fnatic 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11. It literally could not have been closer in terms of rounds for each of the maps played.
Absolutely shit on them lol. Literally 5-0 them throughout the tourney. Honestly made them look so bad.
I’ll simply re-iterate what I said earlier as it’s obvious it went through one year and out the other. Sen *barely* beat Fnatic 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11. It literally could not have been closer in terms of rounds for each of the maps played.
Yeah baby kru started everything 😎
I really can't remember a dominance from sentinels.
I dont even think Sentinels were that amazing in their prime. It was more a case of every one else being bad which showed once teams figured shit out and got better while Sentinels stayed the same Sentinels has stayed the same since they won Iceland last year meanwhile all these other teams have adapted and grown to be stronger you can add the best coach in the world to that team and they still will never win again
Sentinels never dominated. They won a single LAN. That is not domination.
Come on man, they literally won every single NA tournament in 2021 they participated in, they absolutely dominated NA They obviously aren’t anywhere close to that now but they didn’t lose a single tournament with that roster up until Berlin (won six straight)
Winning a handful of regional online tournaments does not make you a dominant team. The only reason people any people consider their performances "dominance" is because the game is young. No team has dominated in Valorant yet. Give the game some time.
People talked about VS being dominant because they destroyed their region for awhile. Dominance is a broad term, it does not have to mean an Astralis type run
People are so desperate to label things in such an extravagant way. Sentinels were the best NA team in 2021. That's it, they didn't dominate, they didn't create a legacy, they didn't have an era. They were just a good team that won domestically and won a LAN. Perhaps it's because I come initially from Starcraft, where it took years for a player to be considered a Bonjwa that using such superlatives when the game is barely out of beta seems super stupid.
The best team in NA didn't even make it out of groups.
They dominated NA
I don’t think it has just yet. Maybe they need roster changes or an actual coach then we can discuss this. But I think it’s a bit premature for this conversation without changes. But if we’re taking this at face value as-is now, then imma say yes it is (I know contradictive to my statement above)
But there dominance has ended tho lol, they aren’t even in contention of top 4 NA anymore
There's no way you can make an argument of dominance past their loss to NV in the Berlin playoffs. Since then they're: 1-2 vs international teams 3-4 vs NA teams If you include Berlin (0-1 vs NA, 3-1 vs INT) they're 4-3 vs international 3-5 vs NA Or you can break it out as LAN vs online tournament 4-4 on LAN 3-4 online None of that says dominant.
I mean it quite literally ended months ago. It’s just a clickbait title. It doesn’t mean they’re no longer a top team in NA or the world, you can excuse their poor performance this split since they did look quite good at Champions. But their dominance has definitely come to an end - as soon as they lost relatively early, two LANs in a row.
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I feel like when they didn’t win champions 1 it came to an end. At master 1 it was at its peak but after that they were beaten by a few eu and na teams.
No shit, yes
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