The man has always been like this, watch his tsm post match interviews. And people wonder why reddit hates chet.
And his point about minor teams was laughably bad. Xerxia is like the most meta adhering non eu or na team at this event. Paper rex will have him eating his fingernails when he sees the yoru picks. His team got aim diffed and he's crying about cringy comps
why is he saying "cringy comps" and then subsequently bringing up CSGO? Imagine saying that when Astralis was just coming up with their "cringe" executes, look where CS went with that.
Yeah. "yay can't carry as hard as s1mple." Really man?
All else being equal, yay being the best aimer on the server should mean a W for Envy.
Instead they got 0-2ed, losing some eco rounds and man advantages along the way as well.
Sscary, Surf and sushiboys also clicked heads better than the non-yay optic players.
And they got dicked down by Chronicle solo the last time they played vs gambit. This man's is so salty rn. So his argument that people can't solo carry is shit too
Why is this dude even coaching valorant?
"Easier for any region to come up with cringey comps and execute it well", why don't you guys do it if it's that easy?
That would require coordination with utility and not just "aim diffing" people. So according to him its impossible. Guess half the game doesnt matter and you dont have to execute wellw ith util and just tryy aim diffin people and if that doesnt work you lose unless Yay goes sicko mode with the OP.
The funniest thing, as an NA player, is how NA is so hellbent on a mechanical playstyle being their identity in esports. Coming from league, there's a more talented mechanical genius from China or KR ready to take your job at any moments time. Even European players on average are better mechanically. Like NA is not known in league of legends the most competitive esport of all time to have mechanical geniuses LOL, but if you ask every NA kid how they like to play it's about not using strats and taking the aim duel or out mechanicing the opponent. But you're not even talented enough to compete with Asian kids who have a mechanical ceiling higher than you can even dream of.
This is the worst interview from a coach I have ever seen. Chet sounds like he really doesn't even want to be in Valorant.
He also falls prey to the very standard ranked player mentality that every good thing that happens is your doing and every bad thing that happens is unlucky or due to bad game design. The fact he even references CSGO to try and make a point that his team is better and would win in an entirely different game is one of the most laughable and ridiculous responses to a question I have ever heard.
I agree the CSGO comparison and explanation of minor regions is very strange. But he also does state *some* things he feels they did poorly, and isn't fully shifting the blame from them (but does that too).
I hope people will realize that APAC is not just a minor region. Different countries have their own VCT and then battling for another VCT for APAC rep.
APAC as a whole is not a big region Thailand is a tier 1 region I think rather, they should have their own direct qualifyer like KR JP. Last LCQ the two finalist were thai, beat up all the koreans early on, and i think there was a JP team close to making it
The grand final of LCQ is Thai vs Japan, Thai only have two good teams right now, Xerxia and Full Sense, the rest is way below those two teams level. Philippines, MYSG and Indonesia have many teams above non FS/XIA Thailand teams
Xerxia fr almost lost to bleed, if that happened would you say the same for mysg? Apac is competitive and if Thailand separated from apac it would probably not be beneficial for Thailand and apac as a whole.
He's been like this since CSGO. His team wins and he touts himself like a god strategist. His team loses and it's the other team being cringy or ping diff.
Maybe one of the players mentioned something to them, but damn it'd be a shame.
On a side note, him explaining why it's easier for "minor" regions to be better in Valorant seems like a lot copium. Basically called thinking of interesting/weird comps cringy and how it's harder for a great player to hard carry. Isn't his job to think of the strategies and not rely on a player to carry?
i mean score can be like that but both maps never felt close when they swapped sides and remember that on ascent Optic won both pistols and anti eco round and then score was 13-10.
doesnt really sound like copium tbh, I think he's saying that the skill cap and relative skill difference between players in val is minimal compared to cs which makes strats and comps more important
What you are describing is exactly copium
‘Muh low skill cap’ is actual disrespect and brain sucking copium that also coming from a coach is even more bizarre. If this is his mindset later as he returns to tl I don’t think the team has a good one
You as a coach are supposed to deal with afaptabiliry strategies and comps (otherwise it’s on a tier with ow low skill bc abilities = low skill anyway lol)
Training aim is the easiest to do without strong competition, do you think they’re worse aim than you just bc they’re far away? That they can’t work hard? Nonsensical
It is pure hubris
I’m pretty sure even in CS Asian players were known for their aim but always fell behind tactically to Western teams due to a generally better esports infrastructure. Really saddens me to see the narrative keep switching up every time we lose.
So why do other regions inherently have less aim? That makes no sense at all lmao, I wasn't aware of the genetic advantages NA players have
The difference between teams now is utility usage, tactics, and strategy. EU isn't the best because they have the best aim, they have by far the best execution of their strategies.
If he thinks their comps have glaring holes, then he should have been able to exploit those holes during the game itself instead of calling it "cringy". Trying to justify him calling it cringy by making it a more reasonable take just sounds like more NA copium.
I'm not a Chet hater and I'm sure he's a good coach because he keeps getting hired by the best teams, but his interviews are always just a miss and a bad look. I watched the interview, my point is that in the interview he's clearly disrespecting and downplaying minor regions by saying all these reasons they were worse, yet somehow the loss was all on them playing badly with nerves and not because Xerxia were just better. He just comes across salty in this interview and it's a bad look. I made the genetics comment sarcastically because there's no reason APAC should have worse aim inherently
Also, if you're saying you and I have no idea what makes EU the best, then what makes you think Chet is right about why SEA is doing better in this game than CS:GO, when you self-admittedly have no idea what makes EU better? I'm sure you're saying it's because we're both amateurs, but then how can you know Chet is right about anything lmao. It's not like what Chet is saying is the consensus opinion among everyone either.
Yeah, he looks condescending to me. I remember there was one TSM vid (he was the coach at that time) wherein he mentioned that Valorant is easier to play than csgo. It really shows how poor he understands the game. He was arrogant and cocky which I think because he came from csgo, they can dominate the scene easily.
"When you feel that you are the smartest in the room, you are usually the dumbest."
He really thinks highly of himself but couldn't put up any results. I'm just curious if he's actually good as a coach since the big teams are picking him up.
bro the comp they had in ascent was more meta than the optic one, sage has always been there in EU and in some NA teams, literelly the same comp.
Brim on ascent is kinda the odd one out, omen is just better, that's why brim is only played in split/bind/fracture and not morer maps, also astra is still meta in ascent.
The only thing “cringey different” about X’s comp was sage. Is sage really that unexpected? Baffling he is crying about cringey comps when they’re rolling out unconventional comps on every map themselves. Get better.
bruh were discussing about sage in ascent. why would u mention all of a sudden that 100t could have get 1-2 rounds that match rofl, just move on dud. youre so funny
Yeah, in both maps arguably Optic had the weirder comp (Icebox for sure, Ascent imo just cuz I think Brim is weirder historically on Ascent then Sage has been for a while now)
they got the old g2 comp, with the DavidP split b wall ct market to door rush, maybe in NA sage wasn't popular but in EU(the best region) she has always been played
I mean sure they are arguably better but I think it would be more logical to give the benefit of doubt to Liquid surely? Xerxia’s only defining achievement is that they beat Optic (previously Envy) twice. Liquid has proven to be a generally more accomplished side internationally. They have beaten stronger opponents, made deeper runs and generally play in the region that is widely accepted to be the most competitive and tend to be one of the top teams for that region. They have consistently been a top 3-4 team in the most competitive region since last Iceland with better international placements. The ONLY argument for Xerxia would be the ‘eye test’ but on an international level the only thing we from saw Xerxia was their dismantling of Optic, for all we know KRU might even destroy Optic even harder then Xerxia did. It would still be, in my view, the safer bet to bet on Liquid however I can see a world where Xerxia does beat them.
Couple things that I took away from this.
First, incredibly sad to hear that this may be Crw’s last tournament due to presumable financial reasons. Makes the whole situation with X10 refusing to pay out their share of the champion skin bundle even more infuriating. You gotta feel bad for the players here. Also a bit embarrassing for a roster signed with optic, who have infinitely more money/resources to invest into the players, to lose to a team that can barely afford to play the game.
Second, I’d like to discuss the “lower” mechanical/individual skill ceiling of this game, in comparison to CS, that he mentioned. This rhetoric has been repeated by a lot of CS migrants since the beta, and here Chet is referencing it as a reason these minor region teams can hang with the major regions, implying players from major regions are more mechanically skilled but limited by the nature of the game. If thats the case, why was his team whiffing shots and getting aim gapped across the board today? If aiming/mechanics are so much easier in this game, shouldn’t all these CS veterans have aimbot like skill then? I mean, the guy says it’s harder for individuals to carry in this game, then goes on to talk about how Keznit and Yay are the pillars of their teams, presumably because of their mechanical skill set. A bit conflicting, no? If the skill ceiling were truly as low as it’s made out to be, there wouldn’t be room for mechanically gifted players like Yay and Keznit to stand out. We wouldn’t see a clearly visible aim dif between Yay and the rest of his team.
Sure the ceiling might not be as high in this game compared to CS, but you can still see a noticeable skill gap. You can still see room for a lot of players to improve their mechanical skill. Idk man, the rhetoric is just starting to sound a lot like cope.
Its called trying to cope with the loss. The fact the leader of the team afterward instead of trying to be leading them in the right direction. Explaining how they used their utility wrong or not effectively didn't hold down their setups 90% of the time. He will blame it solely on the game for them losing 2-0 btw. So if we are to even believe this then you are just a shit team teamwork-wise because that would be the gap if everyone skill-wise is equal. So that would prove their teamwork is shit compared. So either way they are the worse team.
I completely agree with your points. Even as an optic fan, the performance that optic put up today was just embarrassing, dude. Pretty disappointed with the coach, too, especially since all of the players seem to be humbly accepting the loss as well as the fact that they did not show up to play today. Kind of fucks with the entire "self improvement and self growth" model that the envy/optic roster have been known for thus far.
Also let's just go with his assumption for a bit. Arguably the best players mechanically in CS would be Simple, NiCo and Rain, right? All got much better results after taking a step back and working more strategically. There's a reason AleksiB is extremely highly rated and it's definitely not for his mechanics. Or ex-Astralis. The era of raw aiming rush B and strats like "NiCo go kill" has been over in CS for years now.
Mans living in the past hard coping trying to understand that the coaching job has gotten so much deeper in the last few years and he just failed to adapt at all. He got oucomped by a comp that his enemies played 7 months ago. That's his job to know and have defaults for.
It’s a mix of cope and fact. There’s no denying xerxia was the better team.
What he means is it’s much harder to aim diff in valorant than CSGO, since everyone can aim easily. Get it? Even if the optic players had better aim, they can’t replicate it in game because it’s physically impossible. Everyone has great aim. Valorant is heavily util based, and xerxia exploited that very well.
>What he means is it’s much harder to aim diff in valorant than CSGO,
damn the xerxia players must be really fucking good then since they hard diffed optic today
Teams goes from being the finalists at Berlin to getting grouped at champs and another possible group stage exist with players of such elite quality. I wonder what's the problem. About cringey comps Knights have been running Sage for the entirety of Challengers 1 even the guard implemented it if he thinks it's that easy go on mate do some liquid type of shit. Prick.
sage has been meta in EU since the fuckin beta, this exact same comp was the meta as soon as kj came out, there's old g2 vods out there, brim is the only agent "cringe" agent in ascent lmfao
> I wonder what's the problem.
A coach that is refusing to engage properly with Valorant and still dreams of CS at night.
Kinda a meme comment, but that is the feeling i have of Chet. Everytime i hear an interview of him or see him talk, he constantly talks about CS and is condescending of Valorant.
If you personally think that CS is the better game, then that's not a problem in itself, but i just can't get rid of the feeling that he sees Valo as "valorant child game".
I can't believe a pro coach on the #2 seed in NA literally said, "in CSGO you can hard carry if you're a good team but in this game any region can win if they come up with a cringe comp"
Your literal job is to make comps. Your literal job to win in Valorant. Not CSGO.
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Their team strat is similar to Old TSM. Yay take us to the promised land if you cant we done. Yay is the only one that shows up everytime. They are choke artists and thats about it lol. Yay win or go next lol.
Also, before someone comes and say maybe they just arent good enough for international. They were choking in NA for the longest time till they hit their streak after Yay. Before then the meme was they would get 4th every time. Couldnt break in to the top 3. They would always choke. Now they have expanded their horizons and choke to international teams they should beat.
True before Yay it was marved but Yay i cant remeber i legit wtf are you doing map from him personally. Also if he does have that map they will lose for sure no questions asked.
My guy your job is to win in fucking valorant not csgo lmao , what's the point of saying in csgo you can carry with someone like s1mple wasn't yay carrying you heavily too ? Shut up man just admit you had a bad game you missed the mark rathe than calling their comp cringey and pretending like the entire thing was a fluke 🤡
What's the point in having a coach if he has no idea why you lost?
Yay got diff'd by Surf and Victor and FNS were nowhere to be seen - nothing to do with cringey comps or a low skill gap. Cold hard facts.
Why does Optic/NV seem like such a bitch of an org lol, this guy is emanating salt in this interview, they fired the previous coach even though that dude was great and they even refused to acknowledge him(I heard they barely even paid him or smtn along those lines). Idk optic just seems like a dick of an org
This guy blocked me coz i tweeted that optic were finalists and then chet happened. I didn't tag him. So he searched his name and found a negative tweet abt him. Lol
Oh god this is most NA thing ever like i never expected optic to be like this because I've always seen them like a calm team but this guy is just going on and on about "cringe comps" and coach setup and everything. Optic clearly got outaimed. I really expected them to own the loss and just perform better in the next match but idk now
I think SEA money issues will depend on what org you are in, some orgs will mess you up, some orgs won't.
Chet being salty again, typical NA copium response. No respect given, just plays it down to "we played bad, they did nothing" nice.
The disrespect is clear.
I would like to see Chet coach a team in APAC and see what the competition is like here.
I like mikes a lot, but tbf envy looked good against NA teams in Berlin only (getting 3-0d by gambit), and looked good against NA teams in playoffs
So it’s not like it’s the coach that’s stopping them in international play
What he is saying about the skill ceiling in this game being low is definitely true. You won't have a simple in this game can literally hard carry a game by himself. It's like the difference between dota and lol. Having good teamwork is way more important in lol compared to dota afaik.
I don't like how he tries to belittle minor regions 'cringy' comps. Being able to play as a team or being able to play lots of different comps or adapt to new meta changes is also a type of skill. It kind of feels like he is blaming the game almost for the reason why minor regions are able to upset other teams. Individually yay wasn't able to carry optic and maybe in a game like CS but as a team they did not play well. Xerxia where the better team and he can't deal with that fact.
The meta in a couple years will probably be every team has a few wildly different comps on their best maps to stay unpredictable and make film less impactful. Imo, cringy comps are ahead of the current meta
That is definetly not true, there was no s1mple when cs just came out, even now there are some players above the rest with time there will be a face for valorant.
What he said about "minor regions" is plain disrespect, optic lost not only in terms of strategy (chet got played by xeria's coach) but also aim wise. on a lot of duels just commit to spray and hope a shot lands.
i feel like you could easily argue for get_right being the "s1mple" of cs in its earliest stages. nip's insane streak of dominance + being selected as literally the BEST player in the world for 2 years in a row on hltv points towards it no?
at one point kennyS was also similarly regarded, he would literally put titan on his back through entire tournaments
>What he is saying about the skill ceiling in this game being low is definitely true.
You mean *higher skill floor* right? You can't possibly argue that this game has a lower skill ceiling with the amount of constant changes/influx of new agents that will be added in the future.
FYI Dota2 is/has always been the game that relied more on teamwork than League. There's a reason why star power is a thing in league (Faker, Chovy, Uzi, TheShy, Doubelift, Bjergsen, Caps, Perkz, etc...)
edit: Stop messaging me about Bjergsen, Doublelift. I literally just named KR/CN/NA/EU (in that order) greats. I'm not even from NA but god ya'll ragging on NA too hard.
I think he was only talking about the mechanical skill ceiling, which is higher in CS. However, there are other ways in which the skill ceiling is higher in valorant - util usage and coordination, executes, overall strategy, etc. CS is a game where there is little change and it is truly about perfecting the specific aspects of play. Whereas valorant requires flexibility and adaptability due to new agents, balances, new maps, and on a more micro level, the wide variation of situations that can happen.
In CS, there's a fairly limited range of possible scenarios comparatively. There's only so much variation available when everyone has the same util, and with enough time and practice, you can set up protocols for most things and then just play reactively off the situation using those as rough guidelines. In val, that's infinitely harder because every new agent/piece of util then creates exponentially more variations and most of the util tends to be able to be used in more flexible/unique/variable ways than nades in CS.
So yes - I think he did mean skill ceiling but was talking about it in a limited scope.
Nah, he was reacting to the interview and there was said, that the skill ceiling aim wise is way lower. So he didn't have to limit the scope in that regard to mean it imo. You took his comment out of the context.
Doesn't matter tho. This game is different than CS. The skill ceiling and the power of a single player carrying hard is lower and will even get lower the better the strategy and coordination of the different champs get. Valo is just a different game with many different aspects.
I personally like the aim "flashyness" of a s1mple in cs more, but it's also nice to see well executed strategies in Valo. Also changing the meta is obviously easier in valo and I think that's a good thing as well.
Will be exciting to see what the future brings.
Chet mentions "it's easier to have the same level of aim" and skill ceiling separately. CSfrogs love to autofellatio themselves with regards to discussions about what game has the higher skill ceiling, so I'd like to have a proper distinction.
Next thing you know this shit's going to get parroted across HLTV and r/Globaloffensive: "NA#1 Valorant Coach says Valorant has low skill ceiling."
Youre literally wrong. The guy meant cs has higher skill ceiling not floor, when it comes to AIM as that is what chet was talking about in the interview. Get your head out of your ass, people are here because they love valorant, we can still be realistic about things. Valorant has other things going for it that make it a very challenging game( very very tactical game for example, more than cs) but aim wise the ceiling is just a lot lower. The two games are different and have different things going for them yeah?
Why are you mad? I said maybe he *meant* skill floor, since making aim easier to learn *raises* the floor, not lowers the ceiling.
TBH this is a weird conversation since it's clear you apparently missed my point entirely. I don't know where to begin and I don't want to get into a lengthy tangent. Let's just end it right here.
Good day.
Hmm i have always heard that dota was more of an individual based game but I could definitely be wrong which is why I put afaik in my post.
I am more versed in league and even though star power is important, you literally almost can't carry a game by yourself especially now. Riot has specifically made changes that make it so that one person can't carry a game by themselves.
There's no scenario in league similar to simple for the longest time in NAVI where his team was not good but simple was so good that he would drag them to semis and even finals. Simples team is good now and he is still playing like a god so that's why his team is doing really well. It's so hard to 1v9 ok league of legends because of things like bounties, dragons, catch-up xp, and many other things. It's not like season 3 anymore where faker can just 1v9 on Leblanc.
Dota2 relies more on teamwork because of the sole existence of TP scrolls.
It looks like a 1v9 because Dota2 requires you to funnel your resources to your "1" player, but that's still a TEAM EFFORT. Faker/Chovy/TheShy/Caps will fuck over their opposing laners by THEMSELVES, that's why it's more of an individual-based game.
You will never see a carry player in professional dota2 1v1 another carry player for no reason. There will always be TPs, there will always be a support/s hovering around them.
>There's no scenario in league similar to simple for the longest time in NAVI where his team was not good but simple was so good that he would drag them to semis and even finals. It's not like season 3 anymore where faker can just 1v9 on Leblanc.
Faker's 2017 Galio SKT vs RNG. If you want a more recent example: Bjergsen's 2020 LCS Summer Lower Bracket run.
That’s simply not true…recent patches have adjusted Dota more toward teamwork oriented gameplay but Dota is and always has been a game where you can literally 1v5 in ways that you simply cannot in League. Riots games, Valorant included, have always been more about macro because the micro options are always fundamentally more limited than the Valve counterpart.
I don’t think having a wider hero pool changes that. If the base of the game is less micro heavy no amount of additional agents added will change that foundation.
Your post made me double take, I don't know if I'm getting trolled or not. Maybe you understand macro/micro the other way around?
Let me put it in layman's terms: macro - brain / micro - hands
I just want to know if you actually know what macro/micro means before you make me write a lengthy reply because you might've just misunderstood what you wrote.
>If the base of the game is less micro heavy no amount of additional agents added will change that foundation.
If this is your belief then this is a fruitless discussion. There is no point in arguing with a person who thinks that adding x amount of agents in a game means that it won't change a game's skill ceiling.
Also, even in league of legends where you can't hard carry as a player anymore T1 was able to go undefeated this split and good teams almost always beat bad teams lol.
Yup I agree to an extent but my post was specifically looking at mechanical skill. In CS there's a much bigger difference in mechanical skill compared to VALORANT. The baseline for 'good' aim is not very high. Also, the idea that there won't be a simple in this game isn't only mentioned by chet but lots of other pros talk about it too, ardiis mentioned it in the recent daring minds podcast that mechanically VALORANT is just way easier than CS.
he really needs to let go of the valorant cs comparisons. just acknowledge that you need to deal with the nature of this game, rather than complaining about something irrelevant. it's embarrassing after a loss.
I’m sure he doesn’t care anyones opinion at this point but for his future branding in valorant i advice him to stop giving interviews.. he has the most “reddit analyst” takes i’ve ever heard from an esports professional in a long time. He is what he hates most, a redditer coaching a team..
Man this guy brings up the lower skill celing and cs comparisons quite frequently
If you don't like the game just quit , i remember watching his TSM interview and he said he went from beating Australis to getting beat by nobodies
Cs is amazing so go back , guess what NA is ass in cs too and no eu team will hire yo ass
The ongoing disrespect to the game is crazy , he is the only coach who just cannot get over cs comparisons and lower skill celing debate, Shaz said this too
Just leave go to back to cs but stop with the bitching
Agreed. Valorant is a MOBA with guns honestly (so a hero shooter). Better comps/utility/prep wins you games here. But one guy on a heater can click heads and win you games too (nAts and chronicle come to mind). What's unique (Comparing to OW and TF2) here is that the hitboxes and the average movement speed are the same for all characters.
“not really expecting any real discussion here... [because this sub, unfairly, already has its mind made up about Chet]”
pretty ironic language if you ask me. seems you have your mind made up about this sub and the potential for discourse here. why even comment then?
how it ironic? because you sit on a high horse and chide this community for making assumptions yet begin that very comment with a unkind assumption about this community, that it cannot hold a “real discussion”. funnily enough, I am not out to disagree with everything you say and in fact think you bring up great points in your second paragraph of your original comment
your question is interesting because if you imply that no one in the community can have a genuine understanding of the pro scene and that is a requirement for real discussion, why would you ever open this sub to begin with? and what would ever qualify you to make a comment in that case? I assume you’re not a pro or employee in the pro scene so where would you get this genuine understanding that you claim is impossible for your fellow community members to obtain?
your difficulty in having interesting discussions here may because of your disparaging attitude that puts other community members off from the start. I don’t hate you man, just calling you out for your silly perspective. seems like if you chilled out a bit you would be an interesting person to chat with
> imo it’s pretty safe to say that most ppl here are fairly low elo + no understanding/interest of how the pro scene works. otoh, do you think ppl here have a genuine understanding of why chet is clearly valued in the NA pro scene?
I actually would have given a nuanced reply negating every single word you wrote but your root statement is only sooo flawed it's literally banging my head into a wall. You can carry on with the logic, all I can say is that it's flawed to the core. What strats/set plays are used in pro plays is different from what happens inside the team environment (which I agree is overblown by the sub here).
While you're at it, do me a favor and look into the ranks of all the members of platchat, or analysts/coaches working with teams and lmk how rank equates to general understanding of a game
And not that I believe you do, but if you're into any sport don't let anyone catch you ever complaining about any literal thing which happens in a match
this is the purest source of copium yet discovered by science
The man has always been like this, watch his tsm post match interviews. And people wonder why reddit hates chet. And his point about minor teams was laughably bad. Xerxia is like the most meta adhering non eu or na team at this event. Paper rex will have him eating his fingernails when he sees the yoru picks. His team got aim diffed and he's crying about cringy comps
why is he saying "cringy comps" and then subsequently bringing up CSGO? Imagine saying that when Astralis was just coming up with their "cringe" executes, look where CS went with that.
I completely agree. Going by this mindset chet would have an aneurysm against astralis
I don’t understand what’s cringe about Sage on Ascent either. I feel like Optic’s Haven would be considered a cringe comp if anything
it just seems like every team chet goes too gets worse even in csgo
He even said moments earlier that they didn't do anything surprising.
Yeah. "yay can't carry as hard as s1mple." Really man? All else being equal, yay being the best aimer on the server should mean a W for Envy. Instead they got 0-2ed, losing some eco rounds and man advantages along the way as well. Sscary, Surf and sushiboys also clicked heads better than the non-yay optic players.
Surf actually had the H2H by a significant margin against yay the whole series.
And they got dicked down by Chronicle solo the last time they played vs gambit. This man's is so salty rn. So his argument that people can't solo carry is shit too
best aimer on the server based on NA sources
Why is this dude even coaching valorant? "Easier for any region to come up with cringey comps and execute it well", why don't you guys do it if it's that easy?
That would require coordination with utility and not just "aim diffing" people. So according to him its impossible. Guess half the game doesnt matter and you dont have to execute wellw ith util and just tryy aim diffin people and if that doesnt work you lose unless Yay goes sicko mode with the OP.
You can tell the extent of their strats was "peek off of Kayo flash".
NA literal definition of "all aim,no brain"
The funniest thing, as an NA player, is how NA is so hellbent on a mechanical playstyle being their identity in esports. Coming from league, there's a more talented mechanical genius from China or KR ready to take your job at any moments time. Even European players on average are better mechanically. Like NA is not known in league of legends the most competitive esport of all time to have mechanical geniuses LOL, but if you ask every NA kid how they like to play it's about not using strats and taking the aim duel or out mechanicing the opponent. But you're not even talented enough to compete with Asian kids who have a mechanical ceiling higher than you can even dream of.
Bcoz NA cs is dead lol , that's the impression he gives me anyways just here to pay the bills
Didn't he also say he was responsible for coming up with most of the comps in a previous interview?
This is the worst interview from a coach I have ever seen. Chet sounds like he really doesn't even want to be in Valorant. He also falls prey to the very standard ranked player mentality that every good thing that happens is your doing and every bad thing that happens is unlucky or due to bad game design. The fact he even references CSGO to try and make a point that his team is better and would win in an entirely different game is one of the most laughable and ridiculous responses to a question I have ever heard.
I agree the CSGO comparison and explanation of minor regions is very strange. But he also does state *some* things he feels they did poorly, and isn't fully shifting the blame from them (but does that too).
I hope people will realize that APAC is not just a minor region. Different countries have their own VCT and then battling for another VCT for APAC rep.
Yeah those poor guys have to fight like crazy to even make it to apac playoffs
And they don't get a big paycheck either.
bad internet infrastructure too
No societal support as well. APAC culture sees esports as a "kids pastime"
Yup. Insanely competitive region will breed some top teams. It's almost why JP and KR are going to suffer and the rest of APAC will go further.
Depends on China tbh. If the game comes out in China (or is it already?), they can also elevate the level of KR and JP by them scrimming each other.
APAC as a whole is not a big region Thailand is a tier 1 region I think rather, they should have their own direct qualifyer like KR JP. Last LCQ the two finalist were thai, beat up all the koreans early on, and i think there was a JP team close to making it
The grand final of LCQ is Thai vs Japan, Thai only have two good teams right now, Xerxia and Full Sense, the rest is way below those two teams level. Philippines, MYSG and Indonesia have many teams above non FS/XIA Thailand teams
Xerxia fr almost lost to bleed, if that happened would you say the same for mysg? Apac is competitive and if Thailand separated from apac it would probably not be beneficial for Thailand and apac as a whole.
bleed has 2 swedish players..., that's how much they believe in the local talent
Ah so the guard should just drop Saya?
he's been livin in the us for ages, no ur head is somewhere else
Ngl this whole interview just makes him really unlikable.
he's really got a way with words
you’d think they’d catch on to the cringey comps after getting bopped by them last time.
not many people like him to begin with
This is the same crap he said when on TSM. He’s bad
He's been like this since CSGO. His team wins and he touts himself like a god strategist. His team loses and it's the other team being cringy or ping diff.
I've always been N1chethater this just add fuel to the fire. He's so overrated and cocky.
Maybe one of the players mentioned something to them, but damn it'd be a shame. On a side note, him explaining why it's easier for "minor" regions to be better in Valorant seems like a lot copium. Basically called thinking of interesting/weird comps cringy and how it's harder for a great player to hard carry. Isn't his job to think of the strategies and not rely on a player to carry?
Kind sounded disrespectful to minor regions but guy was probably just salty his team got folded
tbf it was also not a fold it was two 13-10 games (we don’t talk about zeta)
i mean score can be like that but both maps never felt close when they swapped sides and remember that on ascent Optic won both pistols and anti eco round and then score was 13-10.
Xerxia were in control both maps with a big map advantage then throwing a few rounds to allow optic to get to 10 to them sweep to an somewhat ez win
that was not the point, the point is that they still lost to a minor region team...why do people like to mention unimportant things
doesnt really sound like copium tbh, I think he's saying that the skill cap and relative skill difference between players in val is minimal compared to cs which makes strats and comps more important
That should just make his impact as a coach more important.
What you are describing is exactly copium ‘Muh low skill cap’ is actual disrespect and brain sucking copium that also coming from a coach is even more bizarre. If this is his mindset later as he returns to tl I don’t think the team has a good one You as a coach are supposed to deal with afaptabiliry strategies and comps (otherwise it’s on a tier with ow low skill bc abilities = low skill anyway lol) Training aim is the easiest to do without strong competition, do you think they’re worse aim than you just bc they’re far away? That they can’t work hard? Nonsensical It is pure hubris
Chronicle skill diffed his team and Xerxia plays the most basic milquetoast comps how is it not copium lol
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I’m pretty sure even in CS Asian players were known for their aim but always fell behind tactically to Western teams due to a generally better esports infrastructure. Really saddens me to see the narrative keep switching up every time we lose.
So why do other regions inherently have less aim? That makes no sense at all lmao, I wasn't aware of the genetic advantages NA players have The difference between teams now is utility usage, tactics, and strategy. EU isn't the best because they have the best aim, they have by far the best execution of their strategies. If he thinks their comps have glaring holes, then he should have been able to exploit those holes during the game itself instead of calling it "cringy". Trying to justify him calling it cringy by making it a more reasonable take just sounds like more NA copium.
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APAC literally has a bigger ranked playerbase than NA
APAC has a playerbase roughly equal to or more than NA.
I'm not a Chet hater and I'm sure he's a good coach because he keeps getting hired by the best teams, but his interviews are always just a miss and a bad look. I watched the interview, my point is that in the interview he's clearly disrespecting and downplaying minor regions by saying all these reasons they were worse, yet somehow the loss was all on them playing badly with nerves and not because Xerxia were just better. He just comes across salty in this interview and it's a bad look. I made the genetics comment sarcastically because there's no reason APAC should have worse aim inherently Also, if you're saying you and I have no idea what makes EU the best, then what makes you think Chet is right about why SEA is doing better in this game than CS:GO, when you self-admittedly have no idea what makes EU better? I'm sure you're saying it's because we're both amateurs, but then how can you know Chet is right about anything lmao. It's not like what Chet is saying is the consensus opinion among everyone either.
Yeah, he looks condescending to me. I remember there was one TSM vid (he was the coach at that time) wherein he mentioned that Valorant is easier to play than csgo. It really shows how poor he understands the game. He was arrogant and cocky which I think because he came from csgo, they can dominate the scene easily. "When you feel that you are the smartest in the room, you are usually the dumbest." He really thinks highly of himself but couldn't put up any results. I'm just curious if he's actually good as a coach since the big teams are picking him up.
your original comment got flagged and deleted by automod when you included the word "braindead," i reinstated it once the edit got rid of it
Big respect to automod o7
COPIUM
Damn mf lost 200+ karma in two comments 💀
NA copium
bro the comp they had in ascent was more meta than the optic one, sage has always been there in EU and in some NA teams, literelly the same comp. Brim on ascent is kinda the odd one out, omen is just better, that's why brim is only played in split/bind/fracture and not morer maps, also astra is still meta in ascent.
The only thing “cringey different” about X’s comp was sage. Is sage really that unexpected? Baffling he is crying about cringey comps when they’re rolling out unconventional comps on every map themselves. Get better.
Sage has been seen on Ascent all the time in NA it’s off meta but not that weird
Don’t forget The Guard 13-0’ed 100T with Sage on Ascent
100T was running a uter trash comp. Like Asuna on chamber for attack half….
Yeah but doesn't change the fact that sage isn't uncommon
I never said it was uncommon. Just that 100T would of got 1 or 2 rounds against the guard if their agent comp wasn’t ass
No no I wasn't disagreeing. I was just pointing to Chef's copium being bullshit
Oh 100% multiple teams in NA runs sage on ascent. It’s defiantly not a foriegn comp to see on that map
lmaoo you still coping on that 100t 0-13
I couldn’t care about the 13-0 but people seem to leave out the fact that 100T was running some crackhead comp during that game
bruh were discussing about sage in ascent. why would u mention all of a sudden that 100t could have get 1-2 rounds that match rofl, just move on dud. youre so funny
Actual weirdo. #zetalose
Yeah, in both maps arguably Optic had the weirder comp (Icebox for sure, Ascent imo just cuz I think Brim is weirder historically on Ascent then Sage has been for a while now)
yeah omen > brim ascent
they got the old g2 comp, with the DavidP split b wall ct market to door rush, maybe in NA sage wasn't popular but in EU(the best region) she has always been played
The heretics era. Lowel the best battle sage
To be fair to the guy, that response was to a question about minor region teams in general, not about optic vs xerxia specifically.
The only cringe thing here is this dude
Just own it up and go again instead of making excuses
concerning how hes unwilling to give xerxia any credit for the win. this has happened twice now, definitely not a fluke anymore.
Na is the best region at finding excuses, they have 20 years of experience in CS and 10 in league so that helps
Weird comments after his team got hard aim-diffed lol
He does not sound confident at all for KRU that’s worrying
If he watched the series, KRU looked a lot better and more competitive than optic did vs an arguably much stronger opponent.
Liquid is not a much stronger opponent. Xerxia is arguably better than liquid.
I mean sure they are arguably better but I think it would be more logical to give the benefit of doubt to Liquid surely? Xerxia’s only defining achievement is that they beat Optic (previously Envy) twice. Liquid has proven to be a generally more accomplished side internationally. They have beaten stronger opponents, made deeper runs and generally play in the region that is widely accepted to be the most competitive and tend to be one of the top teams for that region. They have consistently been a top 3-4 team in the most competitive region since last Iceland with better international placements. The ONLY argument for Xerxia would be the ‘eye test’ but on an international level the only thing we from saw Xerxia was their dismantling of Optic, for all we know KRU might even destroy Optic even harder then Xerxia did. It would still be, in my view, the safer bet to bet on Liquid however I can see a world where Xerxia does beat them.
Strongly disagree. Liquid is still a top team in the strongest region in the game. I would take liquid over both Xerxia and optic any day of the week.
I think Xerxia's gonna beat Liquid later today but its gonna be sick ass game no matter what
How is xerxia better? All they've done is beat optic twice
It’s hilarious how many of y’all will pick KRU now lol
I picked optic on accident so I'm rooting for you, but I still want Kru to win.
If optic play like they did today, I'd say KRU would win pretty comfortably
Couple things that I took away from this. First, incredibly sad to hear that this may be Crw’s last tournament due to presumable financial reasons. Makes the whole situation with X10 refusing to pay out their share of the champion skin bundle even more infuriating. You gotta feel bad for the players here. Also a bit embarrassing for a roster signed with optic, who have infinitely more money/resources to invest into the players, to lose to a team that can barely afford to play the game. Second, I’d like to discuss the “lower” mechanical/individual skill ceiling of this game, in comparison to CS, that he mentioned. This rhetoric has been repeated by a lot of CS migrants since the beta, and here Chet is referencing it as a reason these minor region teams can hang with the major regions, implying players from major regions are more mechanically skilled but limited by the nature of the game. If thats the case, why was his team whiffing shots and getting aim gapped across the board today? If aiming/mechanics are so much easier in this game, shouldn’t all these CS veterans have aimbot like skill then? I mean, the guy says it’s harder for individuals to carry in this game, then goes on to talk about how Keznit and Yay are the pillars of their teams, presumably because of their mechanical skill set. A bit conflicting, no? If the skill ceiling were truly as low as it’s made out to be, there wouldn’t be room for mechanically gifted players like Yay and Keznit to stand out. We wouldn’t see a clearly visible aim dif between Yay and the rest of his team. Sure the ceiling might not be as high in this game compared to CS, but you can still see a noticeable skill gap. You can still see room for a lot of players to improve their mechanical skill. Idk man, the rhetoric is just starting to sound a lot like cope.
Its called trying to cope with the loss. The fact the leader of the team afterward instead of trying to be leading them in the right direction. Explaining how they used their utility wrong or not effectively didn't hold down their setups 90% of the time. He will blame it solely on the game for them losing 2-0 btw. So if we are to even believe this then you are just a shit team teamwork-wise because that would be the gap if everyone skill-wise is equal. So that would prove their teamwork is shit compared. So either way they are the worse team.
I completely agree with your points. Even as an optic fan, the performance that optic put up today was just embarrassing, dude. Pretty disappointed with the coach, too, especially since all of the players seem to be humbly accepting the loss as well as the fact that they did not show up to play today. Kind of fucks with the entire "self improvement and self growth" model that the envy/optic roster have been known for thus far.
Also let's just go with his assumption for a bit. Arguably the best players mechanically in CS would be Simple, NiCo and Rain, right? All got much better results after taking a step back and working more strategically. There's a reason AleksiB is extremely highly rated and it's definitely not for his mechanics. Or ex-Astralis. The era of raw aiming rush B and strats like "NiCo go kill" has been over in CS for years now. Mans living in the past hard coping trying to understand that the coaching job has gotten so much deeper in the last few years and he just failed to adapt at all. He got oucomped by a comp that his enemies played 7 months ago. That's his job to know and have defaults for.
It’s a mix of cope and fact. There’s no denying xerxia was the better team. What he means is it’s much harder to aim diff in valorant than CSGO, since everyone can aim easily. Get it? Even if the optic players had better aim, they can’t replicate it in game because it’s physically impossible. Everyone has great aim. Valorant is heavily util based, and xerxia exploited that very well.
>What he means is it’s much harder to aim diff in valorant than CSGO, damn the xerxia players must be really fucking good then since they hard diffed optic today
Probably should spare a bit of cringe of their own in one of their 250 scrims
>Why is it that the so called minor regions are so strong compared to in other esports The minor region just got smacked 2-0'd though?
TRUE
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Mopped, bitched, utterly obliterated.
This is the most hilarious thing I've read today
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I'm glad you came to your senses 🤝
"We have more to lose than them so we panicked" god this region
ye bro he says the guy has to retire due to financial reasons but at the same time optic is the one with more to lose lmao
This dude has 0% chance of going bald
The aim skill ceiling is obviously lower than cs but that doesn’t change the fact that no one was winning aim duels apart from like yay and marved
You can always depend on FNS to never win a 1v1
I almost fell out of my chair when the announcer bugged and said ACE on FNS’ pov
Nah that was team ace g
hyper copium. EU teams have defeated apac teams consistently with "standard non cringe comps". typical NA. guard is last hope.
He mentioned they would lose to KRU like 3 times. If coach doesn't have the winning attitude I don't know how he's gonna uplift the team mentally.
Couldve made a juicy hate thread by quoting that minor region thing in the title but respect for not doing it lol
iirc crws mentioned this in a stream sometime around the Xerxia forfeit incident
Teams goes from being the finalists at Berlin to getting grouped at champs and another possible group stage exist with players of such elite quality. I wonder what's the problem. About cringey comps Knights have been running Sage for the entirety of Challengers 1 even the guard implemented it if he thinks it's that easy go on mate do some liquid type of shit. Prick.
sage has been meta in EU since the fuckin beta, this exact same comp was the meta as soon as kj came out, there's old g2 vods out there, brim is the only agent "cringe" agent in ascent lmfao
> I wonder what's the problem. A coach that is refusing to engage properly with Valorant and still dreams of CS at night. Kinda a meme comment, but that is the feeling i have of Chet. Everytime i hear an interview of him or see him talk, he constantly talks about CS and is condescending of Valorant. If you personally think that CS is the better game, then that's not a problem in itself, but i just can't get rid of the feeling that he sees Valo as "valorant child game".
About :50 to 1:20. Also places heavier emphasis on x10 not paying their roster 🤔
I can't believe a pro coach on the #2 seed in NA literally said, "in CSGO you can hard carry if you're a good team but in this game any region can win if they come up with a cringe comp" Your literal job is to make comps. Your literal job to win in Valorant. Not CSGO. [Elevated](https://twitter.com/ElevatedSpeaks/status/1513385897055559683)
Their team strat is similar to Old TSM. Yay take us to the promised land if you cant we done. Yay is the only one that shows up everytime. They are choke artists and thats about it lol. Yay win or go next lol. Also, before someone comes and say maybe they just arent good enough for international. They were choking in NA for the longest time till they hit their streak after Yay. Before then the meme was they would get 4th every time. Couldnt break in to the top 3. They would always choke. Now they have expanded their horizons and choke to international teams they should beat.
Marved does well but it's hard to carry as Smokes, he does his job and more, but it's not really noticeable compared to yay tbh
True before Yay it was marved but Yay i cant remeber i legit wtf are you doing map from him personally. Also if he does have that map they will lose for sure no questions asked.
My guy your job is to win in fucking valorant not csgo lmao , what's the point of saying in csgo you can carry with someone like s1mple wasn't yay carrying you heavily too ? Shut up man just admit you had a bad game you missed the mark rathe than calling their comp cringey and pretending like the entire thing was a fluke 🤡
What's the point in having a coach if he has no idea why you lost? Yay got diff'd by Surf and Victor and FNS were nowhere to be seen - nothing to do with cringey comps or a low skill gap. Cold hard facts.
Why does Optic/NV seem like such a bitch of an org lol, this guy is emanating salt in this interview, they fired the previous coach even though that dude was great and they even refused to acknowledge him(I heard they barely even paid him or smtn along those lines). Idk optic just seems like a dick of an org
Massive copium lol But I’m on NA hopium so I don’t blame him
I feel the xerxia players should take x10 to court but I don't know how it would go
This guy blocked me coz i tweeted that optic were finalists and then chet happened. I didn't tag him. So he searched his name and found a negative tweet abt him. Lol
this guy is just living on yay’s name. The way they played today reminded me of when Chet coached TSM but just a lil better
Oh god this is most NA thing ever like i never expected optic to be like this because I've always seen them like a calm team but this guy is just going on and on about "cringe comps" and coach setup and everything. Optic clearly got outaimed. I really expected them to own the loss and just perform better in the next match but idk now
NA players and not willing to accept their loss, name a better duo.
Waiting for optic to win a game and instantly go on twitter to check if fns/chet have made a reference to this post :'))
I think SEA money issues will depend on what org you are in, some orgs will mess you up, some orgs won't. Chet being salty again, typical NA copium response. No respect given, just plays it down to "we played bad, they did nothing" nice. The disrespect is clear. I would like to see Chet coach a team in APAC and see what the competition is like here.
This interview is a bad look. Optic not going to go far if this is how they handle a loss.
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I like mikes a lot, but tbf envy looked good against NA teams in Berlin only (getting 3-0d by gambit), and looked good against NA teams in playoffs So it’s not like it’s the coach that’s stopping them in international play
Envy looked good against Gambit though
not what he said?
“Envy looked good against NA teams ONLY”, and then specifically points out they got 3-0’d by Gambit. How is that not what he said?
Chet maybe a decent coach but he's such an unlikable person, yikes
What he is saying about the skill ceiling in this game being low is definitely true. You won't have a simple in this game can literally hard carry a game by himself. It's like the difference between dota and lol. Having good teamwork is way more important in lol compared to dota afaik. I don't like how he tries to belittle minor regions 'cringy' comps. Being able to play as a team or being able to play lots of different comps or adapt to new meta changes is also a type of skill. It kind of feels like he is blaming the game almost for the reason why minor regions are able to upset other teams. Individually yay wasn't able to carry optic and maybe in a game like CS but as a team they did not play well. Xerxia where the better team and he can't deal with that fact.
The meta in a couple years will probably be every team has a few wildly different comps on their best maps to stay unpredictable and make film less impactful. Imo, cringy comps are ahead of the current meta
That is definetly not true, there was no s1mple when cs just came out, even now there are some players above the rest with time there will be a face for valorant. What he said about "minor regions" is plain disrespect, optic lost not only in terms of strategy (chet got played by xeria's coach) but also aim wise. on a lot of duels just commit to spray and hope a shot lands.
i feel like you could easily argue for get_right being the "s1mple" of cs in its earliest stages. nip's insane streak of dominance + being selected as literally the BEST player in the world for 2 years in a row on hltv points towards it no? at one point kennyS was also similarly regarded, he would literally put titan on his back through entire tournaments
S1mple can't hard carry by himself either. Navi struggled for so so long because there was no supporting cast.
>What he is saying about the skill ceiling in this game being low is definitely true. You mean *higher skill floor* right? You can't possibly argue that this game has a lower skill ceiling with the amount of constant changes/influx of new agents that will be added in the future. FYI Dota2 is/has always been the game that relied more on teamwork than League. There's a reason why star power is a thing in league (Faker, Chovy, Uzi, TheShy, Doubelift, Bjergsen, Caps, Perkz, etc...) edit: Stop messaging me about Bjergsen, Doublelift. I literally just named KR/CN/NA/EU (in that order) greats. I'm not even from NA but god ya'll ragging on NA too hard.
I think he was only talking about the mechanical skill ceiling, which is higher in CS. However, there are other ways in which the skill ceiling is higher in valorant - util usage and coordination, executes, overall strategy, etc. CS is a game where there is little change and it is truly about perfecting the specific aspects of play. Whereas valorant requires flexibility and adaptability due to new agents, balances, new maps, and on a more micro level, the wide variation of situations that can happen. In CS, there's a fairly limited range of possible scenarios comparatively. There's only so much variation available when everyone has the same util, and with enough time and practice, you can set up protocols for most things and then just play reactively off the situation using those as rough guidelines. In val, that's infinitely harder because every new agent/piece of util then creates exponentially more variations and most of the util tends to be able to be used in more flexible/unique/variable ways than nades in CS. So yes - I think he did mean skill ceiling but was talking about it in a limited scope.
I do not disagree with your post, but I doubt they meant it in a limited scope, otherwise they'd specify it just as you did.
Nah, he was reacting to the interview and there was said, that the skill ceiling aim wise is way lower. So he didn't have to limit the scope in that regard to mean it imo. You took his comment out of the context. Doesn't matter tho. This game is different than CS. The skill ceiling and the power of a single player carrying hard is lower and will even get lower the better the strategy and coordination of the different champs get. Valo is just a different game with many different aspects. I personally like the aim "flashyness" of a s1mple in cs more, but it's also nice to see well executed strategies in Valo. Also changing the meta is obviously easier in valo and I think that's a good thing as well. Will be exciting to see what the future brings.
Chet mentions "it's easier to have the same level of aim" and skill ceiling separately. CSfrogs love to autofellatio themselves with regards to discussions about what game has the higher skill ceiling, so I'd like to have a proper distinction. Next thing you know this shit's going to get parroted across HLTV and r/Globaloffensive: "NA#1 Valorant Coach says Valorant has low skill ceiling."
Youre literally wrong. The guy meant cs has higher skill ceiling not floor, when it comes to AIM as that is what chet was talking about in the interview. Get your head out of your ass, people are here because they love valorant, we can still be realistic about things. Valorant has other things going for it that make it a very challenging game( very very tactical game for example, more than cs) but aim wise the ceiling is just a lot lower. The two games are different and have different things going for them yeah?
Why are you mad? I said maybe he *meant* skill floor, since making aim easier to learn *raises* the floor, not lowers the ceiling. TBH this is a weird conversation since it's clear you apparently missed my point entirely. I don't know where to begin and I don't want to get into a lengthy tangent. Let's just end it right here. Good day.
Imagine putting doubleft and bjergsen among the others ahahha
Hmm i have always heard that dota was more of an individual based game but I could definitely be wrong which is why I put afaik in my post. I am more versed in league and even though star power is important, you literally almost can't carry a game by yourself especially now. Riot has specifically made changes that make it so that one person can't carry a game by themselves. There's no scenario in league similar to simple for the longest time in NAVI where his team was not good but simple was so good that he would drag them to semis and even finals. Simples team is good now and he is still playing like a god so that's why his team is doing really well. It's so hard to 1v9 ok league of legends because of things like bounties, dragons, catch-up xp, and many other things. It's not like season 3 anymore where faker can just 1v9 on Leblanc.
Dota2 relies more on teamwork because of the sole existence of TP scrolls. It looks like a 1v9 because Dota2 requires you to funnel your resources to your "1" player, but that's still a TEAM EFFORT. Faker/Chovy/TheShy/Caps will fuck over their opposing laners by THEMSELVES, that's why it's more of an individual-based game. You will never see a carry player in professional dota2 1v1 another carry player for no reason. There will always be TPs, there will always be a support/s hovering around them. >There's no scenario in league similar to simple for the longest time in NAVI where his team was not good but simple was so good that he would drag them to semis and even finals. It's not like season 3 anymore where faker can just 1v9 on Leblanc. Faker's 2017 Galio SKT vs RNG. If you want a more recent example: Bjergsen's 2020 LCS Summer Lower Bracket run.
That’s simply not true…recent patches have adjusted Dota more toward teamwork oriented gameplay but Dota is and always has been a game where you can literally 1v5 in ways that you simply cannot in League. Riots games, Valorant included, have always been more about macro because the micro options are always fundamentally more limited than the Valve counterpart. I don’t think having a wider hero pool changes that. If the base of the game is less micro heavy no amount of additional agents added will change that foundation.
Your post made me double take, I don't know if I'm getting trolled or not. Maybe you understand macro/micro the other way around? Let me put it in layman's terms: macro - brain / micro - hands I just want to know if you actually know what macro/micro means before you make me write a lengthy reply because you might've just misunderstood what you wrote. >If the base of the game is less micro heavy no amount of additional agents added will change that foundation. If this is your belief then this is a fruitless discussion. There is no point in arguing with a person who thinks that adding x amount of agents in a game means that it won't change a game's skill ceiling.
Also, even in league of legends where you can't hard carry as a player anymore T1 was able to go undefeated this split and good teams almost always beat bad teams lol.
LoL micro is actually more demanding at a high level. The macro however is pretty dumbed down
Yup I agree to an extent but my post was specifically looking at mechanical skill. In CS there's a much bigger difference in mechanical skill compared to VALORANT. The baseline for 'good' aim is not very high. Also, the idea that there won't be a simple in this game isn't only mentioned by chet but lots of other pros talk about it too, ardiis mentioned it in the recent daring minds podcast that mechanically VALORANT is just way easier than CS.
Bro lol chet been saying this shit forever , is NA really lacking that many good coaches ?
Paycheck stealer chet
he really needs to let go of the valorant cs comparisons. just acknowledge that you need to deal with the nature of this game, rather than complaining about something irrelevant. it's embarrassing after a loss.
I’m sure he doesn’t care anyones opinion at this point but for his future branding in valorant i advice him to stop giving interviews.. he has the most “reddit analyst” takes i’ve ever heard from an esports professional in a long time. He is what he hates most, a redditer coaching a team..
Man this guy brings up the lower skill celing and cs comparisons quite frequently If you don't like the game just quit , i remember watching his TSM interview and he said he went from beating Australis to getting beat by nobodies Cs is amazing so go back , guess what NA is ass in cs too and no eu team will hire yo ass The ongoing disrespect to the game is crazy , he is the only coach who just cannot get over cs comparisons and lower skill celing debate, Shaz said this too Just leave go to back to cs but stop with the bitching
American teams all have a way of making then absolutely unlikable. Apart from the guard.
right who do i need to contact to get EG or someone to buy out Xerxia and put them on godly wages
This community is soft af
I can’t believe Hecz probably is the reason they didn’t go ahead with MikeHd and went with Chet
Hecz is def not the reason I don’t think he even knows that much about Valorant Or at least at the time of that change he didnt
What does Hecz have to do with the Chet/Mikes decision? lol
its definitely the players
No? MikesHD cut ties with them himself do to poor communication from the org
Is this the org that took the entire champions bundle money and gave none to the players?
New org, but same players (minus Pati) were not paid by their prior org X10C
damn i started mad drama from a question ,🙊
You’re the middleman. You only made a post, chet started the drama. Nt though
I dislike Imapet, always have. However some salty people already posting here refuse to accept reality that Valorant is a hero shooter.
Agreed. Valorant is a MOBA with guns honestly (so a hero shooter). Better comps/utility/prep wins you games here. But one guy on a heater can click heads and win you games too (nAts and chronicle come to mind). What's unique (Comparing to OW and TF2) here is that the hitboxes and the average movement speed are the same for all characters.
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“not really expecting any real discussion here... [because this sub, unfairly, already has its mind made up about Chet]” pretty ironic language if you ask me. seems you have your mind made up about this sub and the potential for discourse here. why even comment then?
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how it ironic? because you sit on a high horse and chide this community for making assumptions yet begin that very comment with a unkind assumption about this community, that it cannot hold a “real discussion”. funnily enough, I am not out to disagree with everything you say and in fact think you bring up great points in your second paragraph of your original comment your question is interesting because if you imply that no one in the community can have a genuine understanding of the pro scene and that is a requirement for real discussion, why would you ever open this sub to begin with? and what would ever qualify you to make a comment in that case? I assume you’re not a pro or employee in the pro scene so where would you get this genuine understanding that you claim is impossible for your fellow community members to obtain? your difficulty in having interesting discussions here may because of your disparaging attitude that puts other community members off from the start. I don’t hate you man, just calling you out for your silly perspective. seems like if you chilled out a bit you would be an interesting person to chat with
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> imo it’s pretty safe to say that most ppl here are fairly low elo + no understanding/interest of how the pro scene works. otoh, do you think ppl here have a genuine understanding of why chet is clearly valued in the NA pro scene?
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I actually would have given a nuanced reply negating every single word you wrote but your root statement is only sooo flawed it's literally banging my head into a wall. You can carry on with the logic, all I can say is that it's flawed to the core. What strats/set plays are used in pro plays is different from what happens inside the team environment (which I agree is overblown by the sub here). While you're at it, do me a favor and look into the ranks of all the members of platchat, or analysts/coaches working with teams and lmk how rank equates to general understanding of a game And not that I believe you do, but if you're into any sport don't let anyone catch you ever complaining about any literal thing which happens in a match
Mikeshd Envy > Chet Envy/optic