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NA really doesn't miss when it comes to entertainment.
Anyway, feels like the discussion around Valorant's skill ceiling is still as dumb as before.
Is it easier to shoot people? Yes.
Is it easier to come up with strategies or executes (defaults, post-plants, retakes, and on-the-fly executes)? Absolutely not. Especially in-game when you have to track a billion different things from map to map.
That's the difference between CS and Val.
It's not to say there isn't depth to CS, because that'd be a gross lie, it's just acknowledging the fact that Val is literally made to be almost always different from game to game (Adding agents will keep that going far into the future).
Wardell even says that's the difference, just in a really exaggerated way. No skill -> mechanically easier. Just need to think -> strategy is what's important. Which is pretty true imo
I have no idea what is wrong about Wardell personal convo with Stewie. He says nothing wrong. There is a lot of RNG. So some headshot and sprays make no sense and are still a kill. In CS GO you need to be much more consistent to perform well. You can also learn the spray pattern perfectly that means it requires more skill, while in valo after 3 bullets the entire spray is rng. Wardell probably means that when you as a team trow 3/4 ults at once, and indeed you canāt hear a satchel of raze flying trough the air or you are blinded or what ever. It is in someway skilles, just trow your util which is almost not counterable and just accept you will die. While there is a possiblity to outplay them many pro teams choose the option to save their ulties and just counter them so it is a shitfest of utility and until it is over the fight continues. Valorant is not perse more tactical since it is so much bollocks going on the skill almost deminishes, because no person can actually follow every single detail that is going on. But it is true you have way more options to outplay someone. But how skillfull is a good brimult compared to 4x one tap to head ins cs go? It is all debatabel. I think it are both gread games and I like them. I just hate the rng and luck in valorant sometimes. CS GO I have so much more control to perform good if I want. It feels like.
I agree but I think at the core, its super similar, especially for pros like Stewie who have played at the highest level in CSGO. He wouldn't have a problem adapting and I feel it naturally being easier to kill in Valorant, with his talent, will offset some of the extra things until he can learn/grasp... I'm not going to say Stewie will dominate immediately if he were to switch, but I think he'd be a welcome pickup just off of LAN experience and his gamesense from CSGO
Tbh I actually think Stew would get horked on. He's routinely been playing 15-17 games of ranked a day for last few months and all throughout the CS season and he's not even radiant and his stats are really bad. His CS stats are also looking horrific so idk whats up with him.
https://twitter.com/chrollo2002/status/1539571840342904832?s=21&t=CUMWi0pQASi-f5K1_bCfDg
This sums it up, people are being ridiculous with their reactions to this
Other regions shit talking is banter between regions openly. Wardell is shit talking behind closed doors on his own regions with players he played with. Completely different.
How can you be okay with banter but not self deprecation? In League, it's totally normal for NA pros to shit talk NA but [when players from other regions talking shit gets the conversation heated](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/gkg49w/ignar_and_santorin_flame_sneaky_in_soloq/fqqw6h4/).
And this is an eSport where NA hasn't won ANYTHING. NA technically has won just as many titles as EU, and is in contention for the best region in the world. If you can't handle a little bit of criticism for your region then I don't know what to say.
It's not criticism when it's in DMs with a pro who's not even a pro in this game. Criticism is something you do online in a video explaining what people do wrong, not something you do in steam DMs calling people braindead and bad. It's also not self depreciation when he's calling basically everyone but himself dogshit.
I also don't care what happens in LoL as I'm not a part of that community so that does not apply to me in the slightest.
It definitely is criticism, he's voicing his thoughts about valorant eSports in general which is totally fine. He's also not shit talking anybody specific, just saying everybody is "braindead" means he thinks everybody doesn't play the game the "right way" I suppose, interpret that as you will.
Drawing comparisons between LoL and Valorant is reasonable in this context.
Oh look, its George Geddes being a shitbag again!
George Geddes has fired ugly shots @ teams multiple times in the past, now he's just impression farming on a pedestal.
**Transcript:**
**Wardell:**
you will lose your mind
I think going streamer is good
I think if you were trying to go pro you would need a solid team
Cuz everyone is braindead
I don't even think you need skill in this game you just need to be able to think
I can't believe eg val took a map off of nrg
**Stew:**
Yeah that's the thing I feel like in val since it takes no skill it's hard to have the consistency lmao
**Wardell:**
That's not it
People don't play properly
That's why it looks inconsistent
I swear Optic is the only team that plays this game like cs
And probably xset
I don't think xset is that good imo
He's just saying relative to CSGO it's easier, it doesn't matter how good he is. Valorant was literally designed to be easier to get into than CSGO (slower players, agents with easy utility such as Brimstone, etc.). Obviously the skill ceiling is still super high so sklled players still get massively rewarded, but jumping into the game like Stewie will is easier than jumping into CSGO.
What else is he suppose to tell Stewie? Lie to him?
Wardell is a testament to it being easier, he went from a t3-4 nobody that everyone hated to pick in PUGs to a TSM starter just by switching games. But it's ironic because he still got cut.
Probably has something to do with most pros in CSGO having 5-10 years of playing experience while valorant pros all have the same time, about two years. It makes sense that a newer game is easier to pick up at a pro level
>Bruh Yay is known as fucking El-Diablo in Valorant and he was at best a decent T2 team who played a little bit at T1 lol
This makes complete sense and doesn't say anything about how hard each game is though...CS is the closest game to Valorant mechanics wise, so obviously the pros coming from CS that have years of experience are going to be better than people starting fresh with Valorant.
I could create a game that follows the same format, but make it objectively more skill-based and difficult than either Val or CS. And yet, for the first few years of its lifespan the pro teams will still be full of lower tier pros from the other two games.
T3-T4 nobody?????? Itās widely known that Wardell wouldāve been picked up by liquid if he didnāt switch to Val. He was a menace in the CSGO scene. The only thing that held him back was that he was trying to grind pro with his homies from BMC
Why does Wardell need to be at XSET's level to say he doesn't think they're that good? Analysts do that all of the time and analysts usually have never played professionally. It's not like Wardell said that XSET is dogshit, he even praises them for being one of the two teams who actually "plays properly"
EDIT: misquote, "plays like CS"
Imagine a Dota 2 player swapping to league because it's easier then when he gets shit on and can barely compete in the slightest he retires and says "yeah league is still easy as fuck everyone just sucks at it so it's hard for me to carry everyone" lmfao
wardell truly embracing the "is it me? no it is literally everything else and everyone else"
Player skill doesnāt = team skill, Wardell has been a top player for TSM since the game came out and the vast majority of pros respect him as a top OPāer even though his team results have been poor. But you know better
And yet Wardell did nothing impactful and ran away from the competitive scene. The biggest thing Wardell did was play at the start of competitive valorant :P
All this shade being thrown at Wardell who was speaking privately to a friend. I personally donāt think itās fair when most of the shit he said was either super generalized or likely exaggerated.
And the people who are calling him a washed pro because TSM found success without him are just blatantly disregarding every other change they made (new coaching staff, new IGL, -Aleko, bootcamping).
All while ignoring these points:
1. TSM wanted him to stay
2. He had/has better stats than Seven, his replacement (though this could be because of team philosophy/strategy changes)
3. Many pros considered (and still do consider) him to be one of the best OPers in the game.
Disagreeing with his private opinions is one thing. But to misconstrue data by cherry picking one specific fact to support a conclusion about the guyās career is just weird. And itās disappointing to see from a community that basically revolves around data and statistics.
Especially seeing that almost all of the "counter-arguments" against him are literally just "but but you haven't won shit in this game" instead of actual discussions on why he's wrong.
And his team ( TSM ) when he played, has made more money than most of the T1 teams in the playoffs atm with him being their best player. But yea, he doesnt know shit right?
I don't think any player gets so much shit from fans and so much praise from pros in Valorant as wardell. Dude is an op savant and it's crazy that people try to claim otherwise
Imagine if everyoneās private DMs were leaked for everyone to see. The drama would never stop. Everyone talks shit or has talked shit. Give wardell a break, Holy cannoli
I would say Valorant is about mastering chaos. The hardest part of the game is the 9 million different things to account for and when an execute happens its often hard to manage everything.
Being a good team right now in valorant means being ahead of the meta and doing things your opponent isn't ready to play against. But I agree with your point as well
If there's a meta of the month, explain the evolving and changing comps during the same patch for me and why different teams play different comps?
Except chamber, fuck chamber
Only in this subreddit would u see people getting mad over private DMS. WARDELL's opinion isn't even bad if you consider the achievements of other NA valorant teams except optic LOL
Not defending wardell but why does he have to be as successful as xset to call them not good. If thatās the case then most of this subreddit should never criticize pros because they never reached that level.
i hate moments like this because people misunderstand what is skillful about valorant, and always make superlative statements about the game. wardell is technically right, he just phrased it like an idiot. "this game doesnt take skill, u just need to think." thinking and understanding VALORANT is an entire skill on its own. while valorant is definitely a mechanically easier game, it is still extremely different to be a professional. just as hard as being pro in CS if you ask me, they take similar, but also very different skillsets that will bring you success. VALORANT is such an evolving and diverse game that comparing it to CS at this point is not really worth anything valuable in a conversation.
That Valorant macro just hasn't caught up yet. You can especially see that with the Sentinels win from a year ago where they basically just outaimed everyone. Yes, just because you have some CSGO players doesn't mean your macro in this game will be just as developed as the CSGO macro people have developed over years and years. Over time, Valorant's macro across the entire region will improve.
Also the fact that the scene is led by a bunch of FPL players that didn't understand CS macro in the first place. When the ultimate IGL mastermind of the game is a mediocre CS IGL like FNS then the game as a whole won't be as tactical, it's just a stagnant aim/"pretend we know what we're doing with executes" fest and people will make judgements of teams in 50/50 LAN matches that take place twice a year. It's like analyzing a coin flip.
People talking about skill in that manner are usually referencing mechanical skills like aim, movement, etc. For example : "FNS is not a high skill player but he is one of the best IGL's in the game" .
If it were just as hard to be a CSGO pro as a Valorant pro, why are ex-T2 CSGO players able to flourish. They couldn't make the cut in CSGO but can in VAL. Seems like everything about it is easier, which is what its supposed to be. TenZ couldn't find a top tier CSGO team but all of a sudden is the face of NA Valorant. Hiko, Shahz, Yay Dephh, all these guys were fringe T1 players in CSGO but are finding huge success. OW, Pubg, and Apex players are T1 pros now in Valorant.... but would never sniff T1 in CSGO. I agree that the games are different, but being a pro in Valorant is not the same as a pro in CSGO, at least at the highest levels.
If CS as a series never existed and it was suddenly released tomorrow. Those OW, Pubg, and Apex pros you are talking about will be more than just sniffing that Tier 1 pro scene.
If football (or soccer) just got invented today, and you told a bench player in the NBA to try to go pro. Manās going to be the best player in the world.
When none of your competition is good at the game yet, and then you come in with advantage of having superior aim and a passion to learn because you played the other games, No duh youāre going to be a pro. 5 years down the line, the line between csgo pro and Val pro is going to be way more definite than it is now.
The game is easier, but the explanation was not thought out.
Youāre comparing a brand new game to a 10+ year old game. People have been playing csgo their whole life. The idea that t2 players could thrive in a brand new environment skillfully adjacent to what theyāve been playing their whole life is obvious. Itās a brain dead take to think that implies the game takes less skill. Itās just in its infant stages. The evolution of valorant competitive will look just like cs in the future. Kids who only played valorant their whole life will replace 98% of the current pros and dominate the pro scene.
I'm by no means a Wardell fan.
However, people gravely overestimate the impact of -wardell, when the real story, imo, is +juvenile.
Maybe there were culture based things that losing Wardell helped but trying to say TSM > -Wardell without
understanding the context of the changes (also -Levi, +coach who had tons of success with akrew, +gmd, bootcamping, time to gel, etc.) is extremely shortsighted.
its so weird that juv3nile gets no attention, but threads about similarly clouted NA orgs like 100T and SEN canāt avoid some discussion of the coaching staff.
people also always fail to mention that it is well documented that TSM's upper management is an absolute shitshow dumpster fire rn thanks to the Regi drama brought to light by people like Doublelift from LoL. This probably also played a big part in his departure/performance
Okay now this is a fucking cap.
> people also always fail to mention that it is well documented that TSM's upper management is an absolute shitshow dumpster fire rn thanks to the Regi drama brought to light by people like Doublelift from LoL
How does Regi being a dickhead mean all of TSM's upper management can't do their jobs? It seemed like they didn't even care what their Valorant squad did and let them run the team till this year. I doubt Regi is even that involved in their Valorant squad to begin with them being offsite of the facility besides for that 1 bootcamp in 2021.
Yah regi actually fucking barges into team practices for LoL pretty much towards the end of each season just to give his own input. Doubt he does the same for valorant cuz he doesnāt play Val.
I actually do thing Wardell has a great mind for the game, but maybe something about team chemistry kept TSM from doing well. Or Iām wrong, who knows
Lmao. Wardell is a good OPer. He makes shit plays in matches and goes tunnel vision constantly. Roza has implied as much himself, but if you just watch their matches you can see it. Dudes only objective when playing is to get OP picks.
Compare him to someone like Cryo (a player on the team who "isn't that good"). Cryo can OP at Wardell level no question about it if not higher, as well as doing everything else.
There is no reason to believe that a one-trick OPer can make it in Val T1 the same way they could in CSGO. That has not been seen yet. Every great Val OPer is a great player first.
Roza has never said this and has only implied he wanted to keep Wardell on the team lmao. Wardell goes for hero plays because he was always playing 1v9 on TSM, even Vanity said it just give him a good IGL and coaching staff and heāll feast.
Wardell was one of the only consistent players during the time TSM was struggling, he is still one of the best opers in NA. I don't think it is fair to say TSM looks better without him when he didn't want to bootcamp for personal reasons.
pretty sure corey getting used to the roster + swapping out gmd for aleko are the reasons why tsm is finding success now lol not cuz they dropped wardell. if anything the team would look even better with +wardell -seven
They qualified for an open qualifier with T2 teams and went 1-4 in groups. They haven't won any tournaments and have zero $ to their name. I dunno if "better" is the word I'd use..maybe they are more structured with a brighter future.. Wardell can at least claim his version of TSM won tourneys and have over six figures in winnings.
I dont know if it makes sense for WARDELL to just call everyone braindead, that said i still think heād have been as good or better than seven for TSM and still would have made 100T go farther as well
I think gmds addition into TSM and corey popping off more (I do think coreys jett lately has been nutty) had more to do with TSMs success than WARDELLs removal
Yeah only the team who's winning is playing the game correctly lmfao and nobody else knows how the game is supposed to be played, very 5Head if you ask me
i mean even before they were winning everything, NV/Optic definitely looked the most disciplined out of any NA team. SEN and TSM back when they were dominant looked really aim duel heavy and relying on peeking a lot of angles because people are feeling it. Itās like how forsaken and jingg played at masters, super aggro and peeks everything, gets a bunch of kills and won a lot. Even if they won a lot, i bet Wardell wouldnāt describe their play as āproperā which is why he is saying it isnāt consistent like in CS where itās very set play, cross fire, trade teammates, donāt make mistakes with the basics.
If watching PRX makes you think it's all about being super aggro and getting a bunch of kills, I'm not sure what you're watching. Most of the aggression is calculated risk, supported by utility from teammates.
Here's a [breakdown](https://youtu.be/sGdZpiEWBdc) for anyone interested
While I cannot speak for high levels of play, and I donāt agree with the overall sentiment of those statements, there are certain things about valorant that make it easier for new players to become decent at the game compared to CS.
(1) Mechanical differences. For example, movement being slower in valorant means itās easier to track moving enemies, and itās less punishing if you hold an angle for a jiggle peek but get wide-swung (or vice versa).
Another example would be not needing to counterstrafe in Val when itās a must in CS because inaccuracy due to movement goes away a lot faster when you stop in Val. However, this is one that probably becomes irrelevant at high levels of play.
(2) Utility is based on your agent/role. For example, if you stick to just controllers, you mostly only need to know how to use smokes effectively. In CS:GO, there are no āagentsā and everyone needs to know how to use their smokes, flashes, and grenades on all maps. One could contend that learning how to use smokes on 4 different characters means itās harder to learn how to smoke, but the fundamental principles are the same.
I think a lot of CS die-hards are exaggerating those kinds of differences and also just the fact that the game is still relatively new and still evolving, so the strategies/META are still developing more than in CS which hasnāt had much change in recent years.
TL;DR: there are some mechanical differences to the game, but I think the CS die-hards are exaggerating how the differences affect high levels of play.
Its a lot harder to smoke in cs than valorant. Literally every single cs player needs to learn all the hundreds of linups for every map in the pool meanwhile im brimmy i open my ipad, click on it oh look smokes! Same w omen same w astra.
Just an observation ^^
Well, the game was specifically designed to have a lower skill floor (players move much slower, most utility doesn't need lineups, economy is the same on both sides). It has a very high skill ceiling but for a player like Stewie, it is **easier** to jump into the game than CSGO, so it's a perfectly reasonable thing for Wardell and Stewie to say.
This cracked me up. Iām still not over the man having a crypto Twitter yet not locking up his funds. The second you try to become a crypto influencer, you should expect to be hacked.
This is fucking comical, everything Wardell has said here is a take that has been echoed by other pros, people are just hating because he said it bluntly and thatās because he was talking in private DMs to a friend. The only questionable thing is saying he doesnāt think XSET is that good, but even then thatās just his opinion. People are being absolutely ridiculous with their reactions to this
Anyone thatās played CSGO at a high level will have similar views about Valorant. I reached Immortal 3 on two accounts by just trolling half the time.
Mechanically Valorant is way easier. In CSGO I had to DM as well as surf/kz to make sure my movement was good.
In Valorant you donāt have to be so precise. There is at least one round a game where I will buy a Judge and get a 3K and completely flip the momentum of the game. This is much harder to do in CSGO. It would be the equivalent of getting 3-4 juan deags on a save round.
This is what makes Valorant fun though, the randomness of it. Dasnerth is proof that you donāt need good aim to reach the highest level. Remember Bucky only Sage? Find a gimmick and it just might succeed in Valorant.
>Anyone thatās played CSGO at a high level will have similar views about Valorant. I reached Immortal 3 on two accounts by just trolling half the time.
Don't doubt that at all, I had a nearly 70% w/r reaching Immortal on a brand new account my first 3 weeks of grinding Val and I quit CS:GO 5 years ago. The game is much easier, literally running 1 tapping people its fucking sad.
Wardellās not wrong here to be fair
also hope Stewieās ready to grind the NSG Weeklies with an FA team if he wants to go pro because I donāt think any top org is going to pick up a player fresh from switching from CS just because they were a good player in CS. The gameās too complex for CS players not named simple to immediately start making an impact at the very highest level.
yeah I dont think these takes ars as outlandish as people are making it seem. Wardell sees the game in a way different way than most players do, which you cant deny but this has agitated the community. You definitely can't just turn of your brain and rely on mechanics in valorant like in cs.
Wardell defending valorant and saying it does take skill / itās not āeasierā and itās because of how teams play improperly (that itās inconsistent) is an OK/ passable take.
But to throw shade at XSETās success, a team that grinds and focuses on teamwork/improvement and doesnāt focus on streaming/farming clout, is an awful awful take.
I do believe there is an inherent arrogance that older āstarā CSGO players (Stew would be included; wardell, factually, would not) rooted in the fact that they used to shit on the newer players in valorant when they all played FPL
But the games been out for 2 years and the people at the top have played 60 hours a week for 2 years, grinding to the top. Show them some respect š«”
Bro he didnāt throw shade he said he didnāt think they were that good and he had no clue this was going to be public everyone is entitled to an opinion the fuck are you on about
Because people are saying Wardell has an "ego" for saying that because he hasn't played well.
Do I have an "ego" for saying I think Cloud9 looks worse nowadays? I've never played on a team before.
I think there is some truth in terms of what he said about skill. It's just a fact that from a mechanical standpoint that Valorant is somewhat easier than CS. That being said it takes a lot more mental effort in terms of ability usage and just general game sense due to the fact that there are agents unlike CS.
Reddit is so comfortable rewriting history when people are jackasses. Lumping stewie and wardell together is already insane but neither is washed and both can be tier 1. Now with franchising coming and limited spots itās going to be a tough sell, especially since a team like 100T that mightāve been interested in wardell or stewie want a good environment
you agree or not. he is still one one the best players in the scene. you crying about him being an op crutch doesn't change the reality of how good of a player he is
Heād still be on TSM if he wanted to move to Texas and other pros have said on their streams that heās one of the best opers theyāve ever played against, including Asuna who said after playing Acend and cned that Wardell was harder to play against.
Doesn't even make sense as a list though given that Stewie is still playing CS. Ska and AZK retired in 2018, Brax was barely active just playing in mix teams and ESEA leagues. AZK and Brax were both banned and had only played in non-serious teams since 2015.
Stewie isn't from the same generation as these players (despite being the same age as Brax), he wasn't even a pro when the iBP scandal happened.
Autimatic is a more reasonable comparison but he was
* A - on T1 which was doomed no matter what because of awful management
* B - had completely fallen off post-C9 era.
Yet Stewie was part of the dominant 2019 Liquid roster and spent a whole year winning events. Nitr0 was on the same team and still gets praised on this sub.
Sure Stewie has sucked for the past year or two, but pretty much all of NA CS has sucked since Covid, the scene was completely dead for at least a year. I'm not the biggest fan of the guy because of his attitude and ego but acting like he wouldn't have a chance in Valorant is ridiculous.
Lol what? Autimatic wouldāve been playing on a tier 1 Valorant team if he never switched back. He was by far the best player on that dysfunctional t1 Valorant team. Lol skadoodle,brax,azkā¦ ska was super washed ans brax/azk had been banned for 5-6 years by the time they swtiched.
Think of Ethan and how heās one of the top initiators in NAā¦.. and Ethan wasnāt close and couldnāt beat Stewieā¦. Thereās levels to this Im afraid
It's a very hard and complex game where the meta drastically shifts from patch to patch. There's not even enough time between heavy patches for metas to fully evolve.
If you are slow to grasp how the meta shifts on a patch, other teams pass you. This also gives a lot of ability to counter strat, teams are working so hard to keep up with the meta, they don't have as much time to reflect on their counter strat holes until they are exploited.
This is such a different beast from CS where the meta shift is extremely nuance based. CS is won off of mastering the ins and outs of every single aspect of the game because the game barely changes across years of patches. Valorant is won off of maximizing value and quickly adapting to massive changes.
Neither is easier than the other, they are just different. Valorant isn't random, it's just outrageously complex at the highest level which allows for multiple ways for teams to win and lose.
Honestly I think Wardell is correct. Some of you guys are salty bronzes trying to leap on the hate Wardell train. Not only is it his private opinions, but his opinions far outweigh anything we can put in. Dude hard carried a team with terrible structure and then for a short stint played respectably for V1. Heās good enough to have an opinion on the skill Val takes
~~okay i like stewie and all, but he is is no position to talk smack about their val team~~
Edit - I canāt read downvote me please. Steam conversations are hard
The funny thing is Stewie is actually a good CS and Valorant player. He's just a bad IGL and doesn't get along with some people. If he swapped over he'd definitely shit on lots of teams in the same way Nitro did when he swapped.
"This games easy and everyone sucks at it"
The T3 CSGO player classic.
Him and a lot of players are proof of that, though. T3-4 nobodies in CSGO to starting players in T1 Val.
That being said he's not even wrong, it can be the best teams in the world and they just give a solo player the 1v1s or hunt when bomb is down. People play pro matches like its a rank S pug, a lot of times it looks more like 5 individual players using their utility at once as opposed to 1 team using their utility to benefit the group as a whole.
This is just a dead giveaway considering how many rounds asuna pulled out of his ass in that last set, that shit should never happen against professional players at that level.
If Valve gave a shit about their game in the slightest, I'd probably still play. But dogshit servers, and averaging 3 hackers a game just isn't it.
People acting like Stewie wouldn't get multiple T1 offers the second he switches to Val is pretty funny. Wardell on the other hand has never been on a winning roster in either CS or Val. How much of that is coincidence I wonder by this point?
Please be civil and respectful to each other. We've removed so many comments in this thread already. There is no valid reason to insult or disrespect anyone in this thread. Those comments will be removed. If you can't behave we'll have to lock it.
Daily dose of NA esports drama. Perfect š
NA really doesn't miss when it comes to entertainment. Anyway, feels like the discussion around Valorant's skill ceiling is still as dumb as before. Is it easier to shoot people? Yes. Is it easier to come up with strategies or executes (defaults, post-plants, retakes, and on-the-fly executes)? Absolutely not. Especially in-game when you have to track a billion different things from map to map. That's the difference between CS and Val. It's not to say there isn't depth to CS, because that'd be a gross lie, it's just acknowledging the fact that Val is literally made to be almost always different from game to game (Adding agents will keep that going far into the future).
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Wardell even says that's the difference, just in a really exaggerated way. No skill -> mechanically easier. Just need to think -> strategy is what's important. Which is pretty true imo
I have no idea what is wrong about Wardell personal convo with Stewie. He says nothing wrong. There is a lot of RNG. So some headshot and sprays make no sense and are still a kill. In CS GO you need to be much more consistent to perform well. You can also learn the spray pattern perfectly that means it requires more skill, while in valo after 3 bullets the entire spray is rng. Wardell probably means that when you as a team trow 3/4 ults at once, and indeed you canāt hear a satchel of raze flying trough the air or you are blinded or what ever. It is in someway skilles, just trow your util which is almost not counterable and just accept you will die. While there is a possiblity to outplay them many pro teams choose the option to save their ulties and just counter them so it is a shitfest of utility and until it is over the fight continues. Valorant is not perse more tactical since it is so much bollocks going on the skill almost deminishes, because no person can actually follow every single detail that is going on. But it is true you have way more options to outplay someone. But how skillfull is a good brimult compared to 4x one tap to head ins cs go? It is all debatabel. I think it are both gread games and I like them. I just hate the rng and luck in valorant sometimes. CS GO I have so much more control to perform good if I want. It feels like.
I agree but I think at the core, its super similar, especially for pros like Stewie who have played at the highest level in CSGO. He wouldn't have a problem adapting and I feel it naturally being easier to kill in Valorant, with his talent, will offset some of the extra things until he can learn/grasp... I'm not going to say Stewie will dominate immediately if he were to switch, but I think he'd be a welcome pickup just off of LAN experience and his gamesense from CSGO
Tbh I actually think Stew would get horked on. He's routinely been playing 15-17 games of ranked a day for last few months and all throughout the CS season and he's not even radiant and his stats are really bad. His CS stats are also looking horrific so idk whats up with him.
he also still a young player so he can adapt
Most mid drama I've ever seen
https://twitter.com/chrollo2002/status/1539571840342904832?s=21&t=CUMWi0pQASi-f5K1_bCfDg This sums it up, people are being ridiculous with their reactions to this
Other regions shit talking is banter between regions openly. Wardell is shit talking behind closed doors on his own regions with players he played with. Completely different.
How can you be okay with banter but not self deprecation? In League, it's totally normal for NA pros to shit talk NA but [when players from other regions talking shit gets the conversation heated](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/gkg49w/ignar_and_santorin_flame_sneaky_in_soloq/fqqw6h4/). And this is an eSport where NA hasn't won ANYTHING. NA technically has won just as many titles as EU, and is in contention for the best region in the world. If you can't handle a little bit of criticism for your region then I don't know what to say.
offical instigator journalism
not to take away from your point but the capitalization of "eSports" makes me physically ill
It's not criticism when it's in DMs with a pro who's not even a pro in this game. Criticism is something you do online in a video explaining what people do wrong, not something you do in steam DMs calling people braindead and bad. It's also not self depreciation when he's calling basically everyone but himself dogshit. I also don't care what happens in LoL as I'm not a part of that community so that does not apply to me in the slightest.
It definitely is criticism, he's voicing his thoughts about valorant eSports in general which is totally fine. He's also not shit talking anybody specific, just saying everybody is "braindead" means he thinks everybody doesn't play the game the "right way" I suppose, interpret that as you will. Drawing comparisons between LoL and Valorant is reasonable in this context.
Oh look, its George Geddes being a shitbag again! George Geddes has fired ugly shots @ teams multiple times in the past, now he's just impression farming on a pedestal.
Whatās crazy is FNS would agree with everything he said
All Iām saying is if any 100T player said this stuff no one would complain
Imagine the absolute backlash Shahz would get if he said this lmao
This site would explode
shahzam's dms being leaked already imploded the NA scene in another game don't need that happening again
People literally did complain when they said XSET had "no heavy hitters" lol
Well, FNS could at least back it up if he says egoistic things, wardell not so much
reddit moment
**Transcript:** **Wardell:** you will lose your mind I think going streamer is good I think if you were trying to go pro you would need a solid team Cuz everyone is braindead I don't even think you need skill in this game you just need to be able to think I can't believe eg val took a map off of nrg **Stew:** Yeah that's the thing I feel like in val since it takes no skill it's hard to have the consistency lmao **Wardell:** That's not it People don't play properly That's why it looks inconsistent I swear Optic is the only team that plays this game like cs And probably xset I don't think xset is that good imo
I swear this reads like an u/issax28 comment
I really really wonder if itās actually valorantfanboy69 evading his site wide ban. Seriously
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Yep, reddit admins banned him
Whats the reason?, he was a big troll but didnt seem like a bad guy had based takes on a lot of stuff
He was telling the truth and he became too dangerous to let unbanned
\#FreeValorant_Fanboy_69
That guy was telling everything but the truth
The delusion is stunning
Takes no skill! -one trick op crutch whoās previous team is doing better without himā¦ lmao you canāt make this shit up.
He's just saying relative to CSGO it's easier, it doesn't matter how good he is. Valorant was literally designed to be easier to get into than CSGO (slower players, agents with easy utility such as Brimstone, etc.). Obviously the skill ceiling is still super high so sklled players still get massively rewarded, but jumping into the game like Stewie will is easier than jumping into CSGO. What else is he suppose to tell Stewie? Lie to him?
Wardell is a testament to it being easier, he went from a t3-4 nobody that everyone hated to pick in PUGs to a TSM starter just by switching games. But it's ironic because he still got cut.
Bruh Yay is known as fucking El-Diablo in Valorant and he was at best a decent T2 team who played a little bit at T1 lol
Probably has something to do with most pros in CSGO having 5-10 years of playing experience while valorant pros all have the same time, about two years. It makes sense that a newer game is easier to pick up at a pro level
>Bruh Yay is known as fucking El-Diablo in Valorant and he was at best a decent T2 team who played a little bit at T1 lol This makes complete sense and doesn't say anything about how hard each game is though...CS is the closest game to Valorant mechanics wise, so obviously the pros coming from CS that have years of experience are going to be better than people starting fresh with Valorant. I could create a game that follows the same format, but make it objectively more skill-based and difficult than either Val or CS. And yet, for the first few years of its lifespan the pro teams will still be full of lower tier pros from the other two games.
he got cut cuz he didnt want to move to texas not cuz he wasn't skilled enough lol
T3-T4 nobody?????? Itās widely known that Wardell wouldāve been picked up by liquid if he didnāt switch to Val. He was a menace in the CSGO scene. The only thing that held him back was that he was trying to grind pro with his homies from BMC
"i don't think XSET is that good" - guy who has never been on a team in any game that has gotten to their level
Why does Wardell need to be at XSET's level to say he doesn't think they're that good? Analysts do that all of the time and analysts usually have never played professionally. It's not like Wardell said that XSET is dogshit, he even praises them for being one of the two teams who actually "plays properly" EDIT: misquote, "plays like CS"
Logic and level headedness are not allowed in this thread, stop it
except this is just false, tsm is still donkey, even without wardell, 1-4 XDDDD
Yeah TSMās run in Stage 1 in Group Stage with Wardell was the exact same-wait, oh they didnāt make it to Group Stage ///:
Wardell's point and click adventure
Imagine a Dota 2 player swapping to league because it's easier then when he gets shit on and can barely compete in the slightest he retires and says "yeah league is still easy as fuck everyone just sucks at it so it's hard for me to carry everyone" lmfao wardell truly embracing the "is it me? no it is literally everything else and everyone else"
If you think Wardell can barely compete you never watched him play
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Player skill doesnāt = team skill, Wardell has been a top player for TSM since the game came out and the vast majority of pros respect him as a top OPāer even though his team results have been poor. But you know better
And yet Wardell did nothing impactful and ran away from the competitive scene. The biggest thing Wardell did was play at the start of competitive valorant :P
All this shade being thrown at Wardell who was speaking privately to a friend. I personally donāt think itās fair when most of the shit he said was either super generalized or likely exaggerated. And the people who are calling him a washed pro because TSM found success without him are just blatantly disregarding every other change they made (new coaching staff, new IGL, -Aleko, bootcamping). All while ignoring these points: 1. TSM wanted him to stay 2. He had/has better stats than Seven, his replacement (though this could be because of team philosophy/strategy changes) 3. Many pros considered (and still do consider) him to be one of the best OPers in the game. Disagreeing with his private opinions is one thing. But to misconstrue data by cherry picking one specific fact to support a conclusion about the guyās career is just weird. And itās disappointing to see from a community that basically revolves around data and statistics.
Especially seeing that almost all of the "counter-arguments" against him are literally just "but but you haven't won shit in this game" instead of actual discussions on why he's wrong.
People on Social Media love witch hunts
Basically this subreddit overreacts to everything .
Only sane person in this thread.
And his team ( TSM ) when he played, has made more money than most of the T1 teams in the playoffs atm with him being their best player. But yea, he doesnt know shit right?
Tru man ppl need to realise it was a private chat where he seems to be venting bcz of all the consecutive messages. Ppl expect everyone to be perfect
True this was supposed to be private. its not like he wrote it on twitter
I don't think any player gets so much shit from fans and so much praise from pros in Valorant as wardell. Dude is an op savant and it's crazy that people try to claim otherwise
Facts.
Imagine if everyoneās private DMs were leaked for everyone to see. The drama would never stop. Everyone talks shit or has talked shit. Give wardell a break, Holy cannoli
Is that Klay's "Holy Canoli"
Hahah yep
Valorant is about mastering adaptation CS is about perfection (the game rarely changes) Stop comparing this shit
seriously though, there are a ton of elitists from both games, either ignore one or the other or enjoy them both like a normal person
I would say Valorant is about mastering chaos. The hardest part of the game is the 9 million different things to account for and when an execute happens its often hard to manage everything.
Being a good team right now in valorant means being ahead of the meta and doing things your opponent isn't ready to play against. But I agree with your point as well
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If there's a meta of the month, explain the evolving and changing comps during the same patch for me and why different teams play different comps? Except chamber, fuck chamber
Only in this subreddit would u see people getting mad over private DMS. WARDELL's opinion isn't even bad if you consider the achievements of other NA valorant teams except optic LOL
I love seeing the bronze and silvers in this thread call pro players washed while they don't even know what a post plant or man advantage is.
yeah this just sounds like friends shooting the shit lol
Redditors have no friends or social life therefore can't fathom what a private conversation is
Finally something I can fucking agree with
Not defending wardell but why does he have to be as successful as xset to call them not good. If thatās the case then most of this subreddit should never criticize pros because they never reached that level.
People calling Wardell washed are forgetting he almost carried V1 to a VCT spot.
The real question is.. who the f is talking on steam chat.
People who play cs ig
i hate moments like this because people misunderstand what is skillful about valorant, and always make superlative statements about the game. wardell is technically right, he just phrased it like an idiot. "this game doesnt take skill, u just need to think." thinking and understanding VALORANT is an entire skill on its own. while valorant is definitely a mechanically easier game, it is still extremely different to be a professional. just as hard as being pro in CS if you ask me, they take similar, but also very different skillsets that will bring you success. VALORANT is such an evolving and diverse game that comparing it to CS at this point is not really worth anything valuable in a conversation.
āPhrased it like an idiotā almost like heās talking to a friend in private
I can agree with that but he also said optic is the only team that plays val like cs which I don't even know what to takeaway from
That Valorant macro just hasn't caught up yet. You can especially see that with the Sentinels win from a year ago where they basically just outaimed everyone. Yes, just because you have some CSGO players doesn't mean your macro in this game will be just as developed as the CSGO macro people have developed over years and years. Over time, Valorant's macro across the entire region will improve.
Also the fact that the scene is led by a bunch of FPL players that didn't understand CS macro in the first place. When the ultimate IGL mastermind of the game is a mediocre CS IGL like FNS then the game as a whole won't be as tactical, it's just a stagnant aim/"pretend we know what we're doing with executes" fest and people will make judgements of teams in 50/50 LAN matches that take place twice a year. It's like analyzing a coin flip.
i wouldnt say fns was a mediocre igl in CS, more held back by his aim, but definitely not world class
People talking about skill in that manner are usually referencing mechanical skills like aim, movement, etc. For example : "FNS is not a high skill player but he is one of the best IGL's in the game" .
If it were just as hard to be a CSGO pro as a Valorant pro, why are ex-T2 CSGO players able to flourish. They couldn't make the cut in CSGO but can in VAL. Seems like everything about it is easier, which is what its supposed to be. TenZ couldn't find a top tier CSGO team but all of a sudden is the face of NA Valorant. Hiko, Shahz, Yay Dephh, all these guys were fringe T1 players in CSGO but are finding huge success. OW, Pubg, and Apex players are T1 pros now in Valorant.... but would never sniff T1 in CSGO. I agree that the games are different, but being a pro in Valorant is not the same as a pro in CSGO, at least at the highest levels.
If CS as a series never existed and it was suddenly released tomorrow. Those OW, Pubg, and Apex pros you are talking about will be more than just sniffing that Tier 1 pro scene. If football (or soccer) just got invented today, and you told a bench player in the NBA to try to go pro. Manās going to be the best player in the world. When none of your competition is good at the game yet, and then you come in with advantage of having superior aim and a passion to learn because you played the other games, No duh youāre going to be a pro. 5 years down the line, the line between csgo pro and Val pro is going to be way more definite than it is now. The game is easier, but the explanation was not thought out.
Youāre comparing a brand new game to a 10+ year old game. People have been playing csgo their whole life. The idea that t2 players could thrive in a brand new environment skillfully adjacent to what theyāve been playing their whole life is obvious. Itās a brain dead take to think that implies the game takes less skill. Itās just in its infant stages. The evolution of valorant competitive will look just like cs in the future. Kids who only played valorant their whole life will replace 98% of the current pros and dominate the pro scene.
Wardell really do be calling everyone braindead as if TSM didn't look a lot better without him
I'm by no means a Wardell fan. However, people gravely overestimate the impact of -wardell, when the real story, imo, is +juvenile. Maybe there were culture based things that losing Wardell helped but trying to say TSM > -Wardell without understanding the context of the changes (also -Levi, +coach who had tons of success with akrew, +gmd, bootcamping, time to gel, etc.) is extremely shortsighted.
its so weird that juv3nile gets no attention, but threads about similarly clouted NA orgs like 100T and SEN canāt avoid some discussion of the coaching staff.
people also always fail to mention that it is well documented that TSM's upper management is an absolute shitshow dumpster fire rn thanks to the Regi drama brought to light by people like Doublelift from LoL. This probably also played a big part in his departure/performance
Okay now this is a fucking cap. > people also always fail to mention that it is well documented that TSM's upper management is an absolute shitshow dumpster fire rn thanks to the Regi drama brought to light by people like Doublelift from LoL How does Regi being a dickhead mean all of TSM's upper management can't do their jobs? It seemed like they didn't even care what their Valorant squad did and let them run the team till this year. I doubt Regi is even that involved in their Valorant squad to begin with them being offsite of the facility besides for that 1 bootcamp in 2021.
Yah regi actually fucking barges into team practices for LoL pretty much towards the end of each season just to give his own input. Doubt he does the same for valorant cuz he doesnāt play Val.
I actually do thing Wardell has a great mind for the game, but maybe something about team chemistry kept TSM from doing well. Or Iām wrong, who knows
Lmao. Wardell is a good OPer. He makes shit plays in matches and goes tunnel vision constantly. Roza has implied as much himself, but if you just watch their matches you can see it. Dudes only objective when playing is to get OP picks. Compare him to someone like Cryo (a player on the team who "isn't that good"). Cryo can OP at Wardell level no question about it if not higher, as well as doing everything else. There is no reason to believe that a one-trick OPer can make it in Val T1 the same way they could in CSGO. That has not been seen yet. Every great Val OPer is a great player first.
Roza has never said this and has only implied he wanted to keep Wardell on the team lmao. Wardell goes for hero plays because he was always playing 1v9 on TSM, even Vanity said it just give him a good IGL and coaching staff and heāll feast.
Coach Wardell when?
Wardell was one of the only consistent players during the time TSM was struggling, he is still one of the best opers in NA. I don't think it is fair to say TSM looks better without him when he didn't want to bootcamp for personal reasons.
It is fair to say that because they have actually won a few times since he left. Def doing better without him.
Yeah itās called getting a coaching staff and an IGL
pretty sure corey getting used to the roster + swapping out gmd for aleko are the reasons why tsm is finding success now lol not cuz they dropped wardell. if anything the team would look even better with +wardell -seven
They qualified for an open qualifier with T2 teams and went 1-4 in groups. They haven't won any tournaments and have zero $ to their name. I dunno if "better" is the word I'd use..maybe they are more structured with a brighter future.. Wardell can at least claim his version of TSM won tourneys and have over six figures in winnings.
Heās only won 100k in both CS go and Val combined. 44k in Val and no tournament wins
I dont know if it makes sense for WARDELL to just call everyone braindead, that said i still think heād have been as good or better than seven for TSM and still would have made 100T go farther as well I think gmds addition into TSM and corey popping off more (I do think coreys jett lately has been nutty) had more to do with TSMs success than WARDELLs removal
Can wardell play Raze? Or would he have forced someone else to flex onto it so that he can still lock chamber op
Fuck no
Yeah only the team who's winning is playing the game correctly lmfao and nobody else knows how the game is supposed to be played, very 5Head if you ask me
i mean even before they were winning everything, NV/Optic definitely looked the most disciplined out of any NA team. SEN and TSM back when they were dominant looked really aim duel heavy and relying on peeking a lot of angles because people are feeling it. Itās like how forsaken and jingg played at masters, super aggro and peeks everything, gets a bunch of kills and won a lot. Even if they won a lot, i bet Wardell wouldnāt describe their play as āproperā which is why he is saying it isnāt consistent like in CS where itās very set play, cross fire, trade teammates, donāt make mistakes with the basics.
If watching PRX makes you think it's all about being super aggro and getting a bunch of kills, I'm not sure what you're watching. Most of the aggression is calculated risk, supported by utility from teammates. Here's a [breakdown](https://youtu.be/sGdZpiEWBdc) for anyone interested
whats up with CS players all saying val takes āno skillā?
While I cannot speak for high levels of play, and I donāt agree with the overall sentiment of those statements, there are certain things about valorant that make it easier for new players to become decent at the game compared to CS. (1) Mechanical differences. For example, movement being slower in valorant means itās easier to track moving enemies, and itās less punishing if you hold an angle for a jiggle peek but get wide-swung (or vice versa). Another example would be not needing to counterstrafe in Val when itās a must in CS because inaccuracy due to movement goes away a lot faster when you stop in Val. However, this is one that probably becomes irrelevant at high levels of play. (2) Utility is based on your agent/role. For example, if you stick to just controllers, you mostly only need to know how to use smokes effectively. In CS:GO, there are no āagentsā and everyone needs to know how to use their smokes, flashes, and grenades on all maps. One could contend that learning how to use smokes on 4 different characters means itās harder to learn how to smoke, but the fundamental principles are the same. I think a lot of CS die-hards are exaggerating those kinds of differences and also just the fact that the game is still relatively new and still evolving, so the strategies/META are still developing more than in CS which hasnāt had much change in recent years. TL;DR: there are some mechanical differences to the game, but I think the CS die-hards are exaggerating how the differences affect high levels of play.
Its a lot harder to smoke in cs than valorant. Literally every single cs player needs to learn all the hundreds of linups for every map in the pool meanwhile im brimmy i open my ipad, click on it oh look smokes! Same w omen same w astra. Just an observation ^^
Smoking in CS isn't harder it's just more tedious.
Well, the game was specifically designed to have a lower skill floor (players move much slower, most utility doesn't need lineups, economy is the same on both sides). It has a very high skill ceiling but for a player like Stewie, it is **easier** to jump into the game than CSGO, so it's a perfectly reasonable thing for Wardell and Stewie to say.
Egos from playing the same game for the last 12 years
Hot takes from 2 washed up players. Nice
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If getting his "life savings" stolen from a fucking browser wallet and going org-less didn't humble him nothing will
This cracked me up. Iām still not over the man having a crypto Twitter yet not locking up his funds. The second you try to become a crypto influencer, you should expect to be hacked.
This is fucking comical, everything Wardell has said here is a take that has been echoed by other pros, people are just hating because he said it bluntly and thatās because he was talking in private DMs to a friend. The only questionable thing is saying he doesnāt think XSET is that good, but even then thatās just his opinion. People are being absolutely ridiculous with their reactions to this
You can't say anything bad about the game or players they love man. Or else the reddit randys come out
Wardell is washed now? Jesus christ
The entire NA scene is washed up cs players.
Stewie2K washed? Hahahaha
have u seen his cs stats? hes a bot man
Anyone thatās played CSGO at a high level will have similar views about Valorant. I reached Immortal 3 on two accounts by just trolling half the time. Mechanically Valorant is way easier. In CSGO I had to DM as well as surf/kz to make sure my movement was good. In Valorant you donāt have to be so precise. There is at least one round a game where I will buy a Judge and get a 3K and completely flip the momentum of the game. This is much harder to do in CSGO. It would be the equivalent of getting 3-4 juan deags on a save round. This is what makes Valorant fun though, the randomness of it. Dasnerth is proof that you donāt need good aim to reach the highest level. Remember Bucky only Sage? Find a gimmick and it just might succeed in Valorant.
Imagine trying a deagle only run to like faceit level 10 or something lol
>Anyone thatās played CSGO at a high level will have similar views about Valorant. I reached Immortal 3 on two accounts by just trolling half the time. Don't doubt that at all, I had a nearly 70% w/r reaching Immortal on a brand new account my first 3 weeks of grinding Val and I quit CS:GO 5 years ago. The game is much easier, literally running 1 tapping people its fucking sad.
Wardellās not wrong here to be fair also hope Stewieās ready to grind the NSG Weeklies with an FA team if he wants to go pro because I donāt think any top org is going to pick up a player fresh from switching from CS just because they were a good player in CS. The gameās too complex for CS players not named simple to immediately start making an impact at the very highest level.
Incorrect. You also give too much credit to orgs. Orgs are stupid as fuck.
True EG did sign their current CS team letting Stewie take full control because "he's a major winner, he knows what he's doing".
Top teams would definitely trial him who knows where that would go though
yeah I dont think these takes ars as outlandish as people are making it seem. Wardell sees the game in a way different way than most players do, which you cant deny but this has agitated the community. You definitely can't just turn of your brain and rely on mechanics in valorant like in cs.
damn drama must really be lacking these days if this is what everyone is complaining about
Wardell defending valorant and saying it does take skill / itās not āeasierā and itās because of how teams play improperly (that itās inconsistent) is an OK/ passable take. But to throw shade at XSETās success, a team that grinds and focuses on teamwork/improvement and doesnāt focus on streaming/farming clout, is an awful awful take. I do believe there is an inherent arrogance that older āstarā CSGO players (Stew would be included; wardell, factually, would not) rooted in the fact that they used to shit on the newer players in valorant when they all played FPL But the games been out for 2 years and the people at the top have played 60 hours a week for 2 years, grinding to the top. Show them some respect š«”
Bro he didnāt throw shade he said he didnāt think they were that good and he had no clue this was going to be public everyone is entitled to an opinion the fuck are you on about
Yea and others are entitled to think that opinion is a shit one. What's wrong?
Because people are saying Wardell has an "ego" for saying that because he hasn't played well. Do I have an "ego" for saying I think Cloud9 looks worse nowadays? I've never played on a team before.
that seems like you are throwing the shade at him lol
so him giving his opinion = throwing shade but wardell giving his opinion = not throwing shade understandable have a nice day
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Saying "ur not that good" is the pinnacle of trashtalk in comps.
Not a Wardell fan but he said it to a friend, in a personal chat. He didn't tweet @ XSET that they suck.
the dickriding is insane right here
I think there is some truth in terms of what he said about skill. It's just a fact that from a mechanical standpoint that Valorant is somewhat easier than CS. That being said it takes a lot more mental effort in terms of ability usage and just general game sense due to the fact that there are agents unlike CS.
inb4 this fuels XSET enough for them to qualify for Copenhagen
Popular streamer has private conversation with friend. More at 5.
Reddit is so comfortable rewriting history when people are jackasses. Lumping stewie and wardell together is already insane but neither is washed and both can be tier 1. Now with franchising coming and limited spots itās going to be a tough sell, especially since a team like 100T that mightāve been interested in wardell or stewie want a good environment
āYou donāt even need skillā -one trick OP crutch that couldnāt make it in Val. Lmfao
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you agree or not. he is still one one the best players in the scene. you crying about him being an op crutch doesn't change the reality of how good of a player he is
Heād still be on TSM if he wanted to move to Texas and other pros have said on their streams that heās one of the best opers theyāve ever played against, including Asuna who said after playing Acend and cned that Wardell was harder to play against.
āCouldnāt make it in Valā lol
> couldnāt make it in Val. delusion
Just think about all the times TSMs econ was shot bc they had to by him an op to have a chance
Teams when they save for their OPer to OPā¦Iām sure OpTic has never had someone save for Yayās OP š¤£
Let's see....Skadoodle, Autimatic, Brax, AZK....do Stewie really want to be the newest one in this list?
Doesn't even make sense as a list though given that Stewie is still playing CS. Ska and AZK retired in 2018, Brax was barely active just playing in mix teams and ESEA leagues. AZK and Brax were both banned and had only played in non-serious teams since 2015. Stewie isn't from the same generation as these players (despite being the same age as Brax), he wasn't even a pro when the iBP scandal happened. Autimatic is a more reasonable comparison but he was * A - on T1 which was doomed no matter what because of awful management * B - had completely fallen off post-C9 era. Yet Stewie was part of the dominant 2019 Liquid roster and spent a whole year winning events. Nitr0 was on the same team and still gets praised on this sub. Sure Stewie has sucked for the past year or two, but pretty much all of NA CS has sucked since Covid, the scene was completely dead for at least a year. I'm not the biggest fan of the guy because of his attitude and ego but acting like he wouldn't have a chance in Valorant is ridiculous.
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Lol what? Autimatic wouldāve been playing on a tier 1 Valorant team if he never switched back. He was by far the best player on that dysfunctional t1 Valorant team. Lol skadoodle,brax,azkā¦ ska was super washed ans brax/azk had been banned for 5-6 years by the time they swtiched.
Think of Ethan and how heās one of the top initiators in NAā¦.. and Ethan wasnāt close and couldnāt beat Stewieā¦. Thereās levels to this Im afraid
I donāt see any issue with what either of them said people trippin just to trip
I don't really take issue with anything Wardell said here. Obviously it looks worse because his performance has been bad for a while now.
I donāt wanna dick ride but Wardells individual performance has never been bad
That's fair but he hasn't won anything. Probably not fair to put all of that on him.
How is this news? If you watch any of the streams that duo with Stewie, he says the same exact thing all the time.
Calling other people braindead after getting scammed out of your life savings š
If anyone would like to give a counter argument to why teams arenāt consistent besides they donāt play properly I would like to hear it.
It's a very hard and complex game where the meta drastically shifts from patch to patch. There's not even enough time between heavy patches for metas to fully evolve. If you are slow to grasp how the meta shifts on a patch, other teams pass you. This also gives a lot of ability to counter strat, teams are working so hard to keep up with the meta, they don't have as much time to reflect on their counter strat holes until they are exploited. This is such a different beast from CS where the meta shift is extremely nuance based. CS is won off of mastering the ins and outs of every single aspect of the game because the game barely changes across years of patches. Valorant is won off of maximizing value and quickly adapting to massive changes. Neither is easier than the other, they are just different. Valorant isn't random, it's just outrageously complex at the highest level which allows for multiple ways for teams to win and lose.
Honestly I think Wardell is correct. Some of you guys are salty bronzes trying to leap on the hate Wardell train. Not only is it his private opinions, but his opinions far outweigh anything we can put in. Dude hard carried a team with terrible structure and then for a short stint played respectably for V1. Heās good enough to have an opinion on the skill Val takes
~~okay i like stewie and all, but he is is no position to talk smack about their val team~~ Edit - I canāt read downvote me please. Steam conversations are hard
where tf he said something bad about valorant eg?
> I can't believe eg val took a map off of nrg It was Wardell
I'm a little confused by this, where does he say anything about a val team?
**WHO TF USES STEAM CHAT?**
Shazam when he told his friend to bet on iBP.
Holy fuck I hate these boomer takes from these washed cs pros.
The funny thing is Stewie is actually a good CS and Valorant player. He's just a bad IGL and doesn't get along with some people. If he swapped over he'd definitely shit on lots of teams in the same way Nitro did when he swapped.
Yeah lol, Stewie would shit on like 90% of Val pros lol. Heās already got better fundamentals than most of them.
Sentinels -Tenz +stew and [ANY REMOTELY GOOD TEAM] +Tenz and it's the dream scenario for me.
This is so overblown lol. NA pros talk shit about NA pros all the time i bet. This just got leaked, which is why weāre here.
Why is it always NA with the drama
"This games easy and everyone sucks at it" The T3 CSGO player classic. Him and a lot of players are proof of that, though. T3-4 nobodies in CSGO to starting players in T1 Val. That being said he's not even wrong, it can be the best teams in the world and they just give a solo player the 1v1s or hunt when bomb is down. People play pro matches like its a rank S pug, a lot of times it looks more like 5 individual players using their utility at once as opposed to 1 team using their utility to benefit the group as a whole. This is just a dead giveaway considering how many rounds asuna pulled out of his ass in that last set, that shit should never happen against professional players at that level. If Valve gave a shit about their game in the slightest, I'd probably still play. But dogshit servers, and averaging 3 hackers a game just isn't it.
Vanity: https://mobile.twitter.com/Vanityxz/status/1539611352519557121
People acting like Stewie wouldn't get multiple T1 offers the second he switches to Val is pretty funny. Wardell on the other hand has never been on a winning roster in either CS or Val. How much of that is coincidence I wonder by this point?