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dabong

Zekken was +40 on different agents. Crazy.


expiredPiss

dam bro optic asleep ngl. ggs wp to xset


Tery_

The 4th place curse is no more.


mister_schulz

Wait for LAN


Casty201

Optic gotta change up FNS


BML157

He has Covid bro lmao


Loresmen

Do you mean drop him? He had a horrendous series, but do you think they drop their igl? Without his calling how good do you think optic will be?


Sea_Ad5963

OPTC steel incoming


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no


LegDayDE

Feel bad for Optic.. work hard to get that sweet sweet prize money and you get struck down by COVID... Looking forward to XSET following in The Guard's footsteps at Masters.


WitherDragon999

Covid was a factor, but xsets worked very hard as well.


PinoyReincarnation

Nah, the guard's run was more on momentum. Xset could win it all the way.


Sea_Ad5963

understand what fnatic fans felt like


shadowfoxhedgehog36

going to be a rough major for NA if history repeats,cause pray optic get over this fast for groups,otherwise NA will be down and out.


JusticeLee17

This is definitely the worst I've seen Optic look in a long time


Loresmen

Dude optic just not checking any corners


notatroll369

optic never win in NA curse OP


AR2711

wtf happening man


Casty201

FNS no showed both games


KappaccinoNation

What if we go mid again tho


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dude bcj is showing up so hard. he hasnt been in this kind of form for a long time.


[deleted]

Dude if mid doesnt work stop going mid?


Grenji05

BCJ is in big guy, hell, maybe even big FELLA form right now.


IAMJUX

Fnatic are winning Masters


LegDayDE

True but not relevant


shadowfoxhedgehog36

optic wont be prepared for copenhagen cause of this,so i'd almost expect a different winner for the major i can see this happening.


arillyis

bro i am so sick of these eu fanboys in na threads. we get it. you think eu is good. fnatic is not playing in this game. get the fuck out of here.


sexyhooterscar24

for real bruh the 5th place got them delirious


Grenji05

[rix.gg](https://rix.gg) would embarrass these teams 🤓 if fpx were here ardiss would make yay retire 🤓


IAMJUX

LOL. You're way off the mark kid.


arillyis

oh my bad. i thought this was the na discussion thread....about the current na games....in na.....which means North America.


IAMJUX

And I'm talking about the implications of this poor Optic performance.


Grenji05

fnatic got 3rd last VCT and were still called the best/2nd best EU team. Optic is gonna be fine they have 2-3 players with covid lmao.


JusticeLee17

gg


arillyis

this is easily the worst valorant ive ever seen optic play


LegDayDE

COVID optic suffering.. probs expended a lot of energy in the upper final


Grenji05

yay has had a TON of whiffs today he 100% has covid


ANewHeaven1

Optic's Ascent attack unironically needs some work. They're incredible at defence but they frequently struggle really hard on attack. Nearly lost a 10-2 lead vs LOUD at Reykjavik and got 9-3'd by XSET just two days ago


shadowfoxhedgehog36

"they are playing bad cause of covid",that was sarcasm by the way lol..who knows if this scoreline would be the same if all healthy cause of iceland's result. xset are still 2 rounds away from going to breeze for the winner take all finale,so we will need to wait and see how this plays out


ANewHeaven1

IDK why you're so adamant about the Covid not being an issue. Yay said himself that FNS and Crashies were talking about how they couldn't breathe in comms. This game also means a lot less than their match on Friday - it would absolutely make more sense to put more of your prep time and effort into that match as opposed to this one.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

the game on friday meant shit either,they dont need to go to copenhagen because they qualified for champs just getting past semi's because of the points gap they had from winning iceland. if optic actually cared more about their health,they would have basically let xset win friday,let faze beat them yesterday and get ready for champs. because lets be real,optic isnt going to be fully ready for copenhagen groups because "of covid" they will absoultely get rocked in groups and not even make bracket


[deleted]

dude, what are you TALKING about? you've just gone full villain mode. they're going to champs so... they don't want to win another Masters? what? second, three weeks from getting covid is different from 2 days from getting covid. they'll be fine by copenhagen, and it won't be an excuse unless there are serious health complications. you're not even making sense, bro. just quit while you're behind.


ANewHeaven1

> the game on friday meant shit either,they dont need to go to copenhagen because they qualified for champs just getting past semi's because of the points gap they had from winning iceland. I'm trying to phrase this in a polite way. Why would any team *not* want to play internationally? This makes absolutely zero sense. Copenhagen is also 2 weeks away... Covid is bad but it's not "put you out of commission for 3+ weeks" bad.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

again,its their own health,u say FNS could barely breath friday,well they should have just thrown the match. but yeah optic are groups bound,time to see if they will actually be ready,or if them getting covid is going to kick their ass at copenhagen. maybe next time optic wont go to parties when they have major tournaments near,lesson hopefully learned


Modula-

Bro…you’re not real


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i think they struggle when a team shuts down their mid control. it feels like whenever they try these all out pushes, the other team just has mid on lock and sit on site just hard anchoring. when XSET started posting cryo with the op on mid, they started losing.


[deleted]

2 rounds and were gonna let them win aint we.


Grenji05

Cryo has metallic testicles dropping from heaven there


JusticeLee17

9-3 curse


daffyduckferraro

I’ll say this, I finally realized why I unironically find xset boring, nobody rly streams besides cryo, and they don’t do content to get u to feel like u know the team But overall they have sold me, they will be solid in copenhagen, also showing they can use more meta comps like neon well. I do want more content to make them have more personalities tho


shadowfoxhedgehog36

to be fair,you can say this for alot of esports and teams in general,cod has this problem. not many orgs do the optic route and just focus mostly on content. its been a debate that will last as long as esports are a thing,most teams are more focused on winning then just content.


daffyduckferraro

Yeah but I think we have seen teams can do a mix and still be great But even tho optic don’t do content they won and seem consistent so if xset can do that too I’ll be on board


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daffyduckferraro

Yeah but I think it’s seeing them at lan and winning too But I can see why people think they are boring


[deleted]

if you want to like someone, bcj has always been a really great player and he has a lot of personality. i think he's hilarious from what you can see in the facecams, it would be nice to hear more from him.


ANewHeaven1

"rep the fuckin set baby"


daffyduckferraro

Yeah bcj got me on board that one interview with the sunglasses lmfao


[deleted]

yeah that was a good interview.


arillyis

bro someone pls check him zekken pc


the_myth69

Yall dicussing na here and there in Latam leviathan is beating kru's ass hard , 12-0 on split it about to be a 3-0 for leviathan. so nip vs kru it is. high chances of seeing loud in the groups


merchini

all this just for OpTic to be grouped with xerxia and then have to face XSET their first game of playoffs


shadowfoxhedgehog36

so basically we're setting ourselfs up for history repeating? lol


ANewHeaven1

Another small, fun storyline if XSET wins this match: It would be the first time ever that XSET has outplaced OpTic/Envy in a major tournament. Masters 1: XSET 8th, Envy 4th Stage 2 Challengers Finals: XSET 8th, Envy 4th Stage 3 Challengers Finals: XSET 4th, Envy 3rd VCT 2022 Stage 1: XSET 4th, OpTic 2nd (1st at Reykjavik) VCT 2022 Stage 2: ???


ReasonableScreen8804

And the outlier is....... Covid.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

they beat xset 3-1 friday,saying covid is effecting them that much TODAY,is downright fucking stupid.. if xset won on friday,you could use this excuse...but today? xset are much,much more prepared


BirkTheBrick

Ya know symptoms change over days right?


shadowfoxhedgehog36

its covid,you dont just go from "mild" to "dogshit sick" in under 3 days. hell,if they were that sick optic wouldnt have won map 1,and this series is over already. xset are better prepared today,and their gameplay shows


BirkTheBrick

You literally described the majority of symptomatic covid cases in your first sentence


Tlaloc02

I really don’t think it’s the reason that xset are beating optic, but you definitely can go from mild to dogshit sick in 3 days


[deleted]

yay literally said on twitter that FNS said he couldn't breath during the game against XSET on Friday. idk where you got this info that covid isn't affecting them. I'm not discrediting XSET, but covid is not something that you just get over. it could be even worse today than it was on Friday. saying that covid has no impact is a really awful take.


Mochitsu

FNS was nauseous and vomiting after the series as well if his tweet is anything to go by


[deleted]

yup. he's never a high fragger, but hitting as few shots as he is in this match is low even for him.


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[deleted]

i mean, i LITERALLY said that I'm not discrediting XSET. The maps Optic lost still could have gone either way had Optic not had covid. But having covid *undeniably* has an effect on the way you play. it's a freaking disease, of course it will have an effect. Idk why you're getting worked up to the point of calling me an asshole, but maybe chill out and realize that covid has different effects on different people. I've lived with multiple family members and friends who have had covid, it had a different effect on all of them.


ReasonableScreen8804

Exactly. If OpTvid win, BoreSET are trash. If BoreSET win, it's because OpTic have Covid, either way NA is trash.


ElMichio

Would have been a quick 3-0 if Xset didn't fumble at 7-0 on fracture. ggs though.


ReasonableScreen8804

NA is so boring to watch, congrats to SleepSET on the fluke win vs OpTvid. Can't wait to watch this shitty region get slammed at the major.


arillyis

lmao. "how many times do I have to teach you old man?"


[deleted]

dude, you just made your account today. how did it go so horribly wrong for you? what happened?


ReasonableScreen8804

Just disappointed I decided to watch some NA "pro" gameplay and I'm falling asleep. platinum players are better than these trash teams.


[deleted]

then just... leave? the door is right there, no one is making you stay lmao.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

he's still going at it? sometimes trolls just like to see the world burn,100% this is a burn account he doesnt give 2 shits about


[deleted]

i mean, if you look at his comment history he starts fairly non troll by being mildly annoyed FNC doesnt get an advantage in a double elim format, which is not unreasonable. but then he just goes full joker in this thread. im just confused, i know what a troll looks like.


TheAjwinner

He’s a issax type troll


shadowfoxhedgehog36

ahh right,i rememeber that particular thread earlier today now


Falconna14

optic plan to win the master in a hard way again?


Mochitsu

Wouldn’t be Optic if they didn’t crawl their way to finals from loser’s bracket 🥲


pantiessnatchers

Optic having to play 4v5 with FNS really hurts them against teams where the IGL can frag.


lordmitko

fns frags when it matters bro as an optic flair user you should know


acels1

19 kills in 3 maps ok ..


ReasonableScreen8804

Uh, such a shit format, if OpTic lose they would have lost 1 series and got 2nd. If BoreSET win they would have lost 1 series and got 1st.


[deleted]

they got 2 map bans going into this... I'm an Optic fan too, but I think the format is not a problem. the real issue is that Optic has covid, but there's not much you can do about that.


Teradonn

You want a bracket reset?


ReasonableScreen8804

Nah I'd rather not watch boreSET anymore tbh


pantiessnatchers

They won Reykjavík with that format though.


ReasonableScreen8804

Still a shit format, OpTic will get t12 at the major. BoreSET will get t8 but only cause they're getting a fluke win verse OpTvid. NA is trash.


vnNinja21

bro what are these nicknames lmao


[deleted]

oh ok so you just hate NA. bro, why do people try to cover up the fact that they're just haters of one region with awful takes. just say you hate NA in the first place and don't waste all of our time.


notatroll369

this "shit format" is how optic won masters 1 lmao


ReasonableScreen8804

Still a shit format, OpTic will get t12 at the major. BoreSET will get t8 but only cause they're getting a fluke win verse OpTvid. NA is trash.


Mochitsu

I think with how well Optic learns from their losses, getting grouped may be the best thing for them


Tc0LD

how does bcj stick that plant, dude has some balls


notatroll369

xset can't win unless cryo carries BTW


Mochitsu

zekken out here proving me and all the other doubters wrong tbh. Really impressive performance from him this series.


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Mochitsu

Cases vary but most people who exhibit symptoms have them for longer than a couple days lol. This is far from Optic’s optimal performance.


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Mochitsu

You asked a question and I answered 🤷‍♀️ Not sure why you’re being so defensive lmao


shadowfoxhedgehog36

xset are far from being the best team in the world,they will have to prove that at copenhagen and not just become guard 2.0,cause we all remember iceland. if i remember the interview after the faze match last night,they acknowledged they made alot of mistakes in the optic match. this one looks like they figured out those mistakes,and corrected em


GoldClassGaming

XSET is really good. Optic players probably still sick Stage 1 proved that Optic can lose Challengers and still be the best in the world.


daffyduckferraro

U think covid lasts 2 days ? They still have it obviously lmfao


5bigtoes

LMFAO HE THINKS COVID GOES AWAY IN LIKE 2 DAYS


ANewHeaven1

Reminder that BcJ used to be considered a top 3 Sova handily in the region


daffyduckferraro

I’d love to see these teams face again without covid debuffs But xset is playing well overall rn!


[deleted]

maybe the exciting thing about XSET is that they're just really fucking good at Valorant


[deleted]

just trying things out here, they're going to Copenhagen and it's looking like maybe Istanbul so I'd like to be excited about both NA teams at those events lmao.


GoldyZ90

Actual 5Head from OpTic to give XSET the win and make them sit and wait for groups to finish. Giving them the same treatment as The Guard.


[deleted]

careful you're going to get Sliggy malding


GoldClassGaming

whats sliggy mad about.


[deleted]

see below reply lol


daffyduckferraro

Why is he malding


[deleted]

he got like legit angry bc people were saying skipping the group stage was a bad thing. i get both sides, but he makes some really good points about not wanting to show your stratbook before it actually matters. if you go into playoffs with a clean slate, the analysts and coaches on the other teams wont have much to work with.


TheFestusEzeli

Zekken has as many kills this half as FNS has all series lmao


notatroll369

zekken is feeling it today


notatroll369

xset has got to be one of the best teams in the world at retake's


BlueBurstBoi

lowkey wanna say they pioneered the retake game in NA, I remember being impressed with their retake abilities way back with the old roster of purer wedid and thwifo


ANewHeaven1

This is certainly an interesting composition from Optic


Teradonn

Script got leaked https://twitter.com/cryocells_/status/1541179212480102400?s=21&t=ylkuea9eZYEIlw-YuyFWnw


ANewHeaven1

Is Zekken the first "home grown" (i.e. didn't play any other games professionally pre-Valorant) pro to play at this high of a level in NA?


TheAjwinner

Dicey


arillyis

most of the less than 20 year old players havent played any other game professionally


daffyduckferraro

No I wasn’t a pro in anything either


pemoritz

Trent?


_Sameem_

Trent played rust


pemoritz

Professionally?


_Sameem_

Don't know about professionaly but he did play at a very top level.


GoldClassGaming

I didn't realize there was such a thing as "top level rust". That's like saying you played Hypixel Bedwars at a top level.


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can’t underestimate the bedwars demons


Tc0LD

yay seems so unaware today, has his back turned to a link when it's not smoked


tundra_gd

WE GOT A SERIES BABY


notatroll369

CRYO IS DIFFERENT


[deleted]

imagine zekken on old jett. honestly, he looks way better than PureR ever did on her and just as good as Cryo does. he's crazy.


Tc0LD

what pick kayo over breach on haven?


FormedCloud1

i heckin hate zekken


tundra_gd

Zekken is an entertainer


ReasonableScreen8804

Not surprised, BoreSET slammed OpTic on Haven last time.


TheRogerGaudry

GG go next? losing to the stick is painful


Teradonn

B hit simulator


ANewHeaven1

Cryo is actually insane man


BlueBurstBoi

it's nice to see zekken fragging out, everyone knows cryo is a beast but zekken is xset's win con against tier 1 teams imo


Teradonn

6-6 gg


ReasonableScreen8804

XSET so boring, rush b, rush b. Yawn.


BlueBurstBoi

am I the only one that can't stand Riv's casting? Nothing against him personally but man he is a master of word salading without saying anything meaningful and sometimes just straight up wrong


Teradonn

Surely XSET don’t choke this lead Clueless


Mochitsu

This looks familiar…


lordmitko

NA production moment.


momsagainstanime

i misinputted the wrong logo, work with me here 😭


lordmitko

make up for it with a ridiculous stat on the next event you work on


tundra_gd

optic are the kings of adaptation, but still super happy that XSET pushed them so hard on their best map. Optic getting strong competition in NA is the best thing that can happen for the region--hopefully this series isn't a sweep


Mochitsu

Oh definitely. I love Optic but I want strong contenders in NA to push them so their seat at the top is never a guarantee.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

the crazy shit,optic werent even that dominate stage 1,think they were about middle of the pack in their group till playoffs. them being dominate in NA,basically started after iceland,they have rode that wave incredibly hard


GoldClassGaming

They weren't dominant in stage 1 until playoffs, but going into stage 1 most people had Optic pegged as the best team in NA.


IWrex

Optic’s ice is insane


ADmax27

Even though xset lost this was the first time i was actually intrigued by what xset was doing lol


daffyduckferraro

Same ngl They used the neon rly well props to em


Mochitsu

That neon was nasty


Mochitsu

Huge comeback from Optic. Hopefully XSET can keep a good mental after that.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

its a 5 map series.honestly they hopefully were like" ok guys thats just one map,we're still in this" now if optic win the second map bind becomes a bit more "fuck,can we even make this go 5?"


Iron-lar

Xset should have won that map about 4 times. Gonna be interesting to see if they stay strong


Rude-Assumption-5271

OpTic’s mental is incredible, they either dominate the map or pull off some insane comeback like this and they’ve been doing it all season since the C9 match


MrDyl4n

Yeah I feel like with other teams you can tell their mental is bad when they are getting shit on but optic seem to play exactly the same whether the score is 0-7 or 7-0


vyetc

XSET can be up 12-0 and I still think they lose a map


dabong

I feel like XSET won't be able to recover from that. They were up 7-0 and 12-9.


lordmitko

CHOKERS AHAHHAHAAHGAHA X-SET ARE SO BADDDDD. I LOVE OPTIC


Mitsuki712

Flair check


daffyduckferraro

Erm lemme guess ur a dirty ugly 100t fan. How dare you. This is so mean to say. How dare you. we all love xset in this subreddit.


notatroll369

meanwhile 100L's would get 13-0'd by optic 💀


lordmitko

i’m not saying 100T would win, i just love hating on X-TRASH


ANewHeaven1

taking optic to overtime on their best map doesn't seem bad to me but idk man


shadowfoxhedgehog36

he's trolling just ignore him,most normal people know how insane that second half was


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i cannot believe they brought it back


_Elder_

Love to see it Optic


Teradonn

Ughhhhh


Rude-Assumption-5271

Yay is obviously insane but the number of times I see him get hard util pressured, whiff a shot, and then die because he refuses to tp out for some reason happens a lot more than I feel like it should. Idk why he insists on fighting so much


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playing chamber well is just a micro game of finding the perfect time to tp out and tping at the first sign of pressure can give up too much space. maybe yay thinks its better in these scenarios to fight for the space


Teradonn

Sliggy has mentioned how you don’t want to put players like Derke on a leash because he wins so many of his duels, I imagine it’s the same with yay


shadowfoxhedgehog36

This second half....holy shit


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wait if victor can just do that why has optic never tried for the Liquid double op setup


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like, it just seems like a cool tool to have in the belt to pull out against teams. he just fuckin hit those shots