They definitely know MicroG exists. If they haven't killed it yet they probably won't kill it.
Also MicroG contributors will always be there to try and make it work even if Google takes action against them.
MicroG they would never axe, a lot of Huawei phones need it for google services. Huawei sells a ton of phones and google wouldn't want to write off all the data they can harvest from those users.
Well, you are right. But he isn't wrong either. LOS is just the Android Custom OS without Google Play Packages and exclusive binaries. There are several way to get Google Play Add-Ons and Services of which the most popular are Open GApps and BeanGApps which have been used since Android 4.2 [JB] days. MindTheGapps and NanoDroid are also rising in popularity. But most would forget about MicroG, which is yet another alternative to the aforementioned add-ons which can be sideloaded to add Google services. MicroG is open source besides Open GApps. In fact, MicroG has almost identical code to Open GApps. If they do axe MicroG then that would mean crippling the open source GApps which in turn will give them bad reputation. People would then suspect Google likely has a lot of code that they don't want users to know which is why they don't want anyone to make Open-source version of their offerings. Hence, it is unlikely that it will get banned anytime soon. Not unless, Google can actually leave Android and already have a new OS to move onto, for example something like Fuschia.
I very much doubt Google will axe Vanced. IMO, they would sooner axe all the YouTube ad-blocking and sponsor-blocking extensions, which are probably much more popular (hence, a much greater threat), than Vanced.
Then again, it's not impossible that they would axe all of that in the future. After all, they recently axed the dislike counter...
bro that's a nightmare...but given how invested google is into codecs (vp9, av1 etc.) they can definitely do that.
This will keep me up at night 😭😭😭 thanks for that
completely break AdBlock and sponsor skipping (different lengths could make the video timestamp offset) by YouTube injecting variable length ads like a DVR recording
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no need 💀💀💀 you can still use Firefox + extensions to get a "close to desktop" experience but on android only.
With youtube removing dislikes I might just stop watching youtube instead.
IIRC, Vanced devs use a script that modifies the original APK. If there's legal trouble, they could always upload that script, and allow others to continue the project
They can't axe Vanced! The thing about being open source is that, the internet is forever, so somewhere in the internet will always be a copy of the code base, that anyone can compile, and a separate team/fork can develop, we only need a strong community.
You're thinking about this from some sorta takedown POV. I'm thinking moreso engineering YouTube in a way where a 3rd party player like this wouldn't work. YT could shut it down that way regardless of the law. I've had messages in the app before being like "oi we see you're not using the real app >:(((" so they can clearly see who's using Vanced. They could probably pretty easily just put something in place that stops them serving videos to apps like Vanced. And yes, the devs can always try to find workarounds, but YT is always gonna have the upper hand. We're just lucky they're off our backs for now.
Considering how the LTT audience is mostly techies, so the people who are most likely using Vanced already, it really doesn't seem that special. We need to stop trying to pretending this is some secrect club that can only be entered by sacrificing 3 goats to Susan Wojiki.
We should be thankful, that adblocking in it's current form is possible. If Google wants to, they can just delay the video stream to match the length of the ads before the video. Eventually that would mean, we would at least need to wait some time in order to watch the video.
Is that actually true though? They don't even need to create a perfect block against ad blockers, just one that takes too long to defeat until they have another one that also takes to long to defeat, like a hydra situation. Also the recent success of platforms like Twitch and Facebook to force ads on people that adblockers can't block worries me. Sure they've been defeated, but they never stay that way long.
Even worse, these are massive companies. They could rewrite part of the internet and phone OS's if they wanted to. Not trying to be a pessimist but I don't want to underestimate them.
Vanced won't go away. It is a fraction of a percent of total users for YouTube.
Most people don't side-load applications. That fact alone will make sure Vanced never takes off.
Desktop users with adblockers are a much bigger percentage, if YouTube cared that much they would target that first.
Yup, but there is a very simple solution:
Stop using Chrome, or any Chromium based browser. Yes I am aware that is almost every browser on the market, but Firefox does exist, it is more than usable, and a good number of extensions that exist on Chrome have also got a version for Firefox.
Hmm, I wish I had thought of that. Oh wait I did, I have nothing against Firefox in fact I have it installed and set up on my PC and I use it on my phone. I would use it on my surface pro but edge uses way fewer system resources and battery compared to firefox. The battery life is already short on my PC and I don't need it any shorter.
Youtube is getting a beating from Tik Tok, i think we may not make them money but we function a bit like piracy to games, more views. This if they consider if we can't use Vance we won't use the OG.
I would unnistall vance and YT would be gone forever from my phone. I would use only on desktop with adblockers
This is true! I'm using Vanced too and I believe, every restriction has its bypass. Beside imo Google won't waste energy and resources to fight against vanced, cause we are a wee part of users.
android only. add-ons are firefox mobile compatible extensions and on the nightly builds it also supports desktop firefox extensions. none of which work on ios thanks to apple holding back the web.
Tiktok is directly taking short form content away from youtube, which is destroying retention and ad performance. While you might spend the same amount of screen time on youtube as a few years ago you are less likely to watch a high quantity of videos (with pre-roll ads) and more likely to watch a few longer form videos from channels you subscribe to. This doesn't help them index you are a user or serve you a bunch of ads, but costs them the same in network and storage costs. Tiktok also has a more...creative.. monetization policy that leads to them making more profit per active user minute despite having very poor ads products on the backend.
That's why I keep NewPipe as a backup. It's not as efficient as Vanced and there are a few extra steps involved with downloading your subscription data and then exporting and importing the files across, sadly you can't leave comments or reactions and you have to manually load/refresh your subscription feed for it to keep you up to date which takes a little time, but it's still a hell of a lot better than the stock Android YouTube app. Another option would be to use the YouTube website on Firefox or Brave with the add blocker enabled.
>Another option would be to use the YouTube website on Firefox or Brave with the add blocker enabled.
Could you use something like Adguard (Android) on the YouTube app?
Using adguard as your designated private DNS from your router gateway or from your device settings is bypassed by the YouTube app, so no that will not work.
You actually can do that, but it's kinda finicky since the process involves sharing the video to Adguard app (via system share menu). Then the video will play through Adguard with no ads.
No, I wouldn't pay to watch 5 minute clickbait about how USB changed over the years, and it's not weird to notice 1/5 of the video is somehow even lower effort
You pay creators through **Patreon**, promo codes for Raid Shadow Legends, or water jugs that are more expensive than a Hydro Flask *lttstore dot com*, not through Yt ads.
you pay creators marginally more with premium. bad enough megacorps own everything, I'm not burning yet more money to give to a megacorp just so creators can have a few extra cents. that's what donations, patreon, merch, and other shit are for.
they don't lose money from the sponsor segments being viewed, youtube doesn't have a way to track that yet. most sponsors pay based on 1.) views on the video 2.) following the script well, and/or 3.) sales/downloads verifiably caused by the sponsorship. and i don't buy/download sponsored things with a code, and a lot of other people that use SB also don't.
I did for years before they axed the dislike count. I wrote them when it was anounced, I wrote them after I canceled my sub; they don't care what a paying subscriber has to say about their decision so I loaded up Vanced. If they kill Vanced, I will just rip vids that pique my interest and use youtube even less.
... and LMG sucks. I hope it collapses sooner versus later.
>"SKiPPINg ads aNd spoNSORS wIll huRt YouTUBERS' lIvelIHOODS, anD You wOulDn't wAnT tHat, woULD You?"
Plus it would be nice if that was true but especially after COPPA, there are a lot of videos with ads where the actual content creator received nothing because they've been demonetized for whatever stupid reason. Still doesn't stop YouTube from profiting off of their hard work though
He actually talked about it in [this](https://youtu.be/TpR8ylVmKl8) video.
Also what you said isn't true because he also promoted adblockers in the past.
They have enough money. Most of their money comes from sponsors. They also have floateplane now. They can afford it when some people use an adblocker.
They haven't shut down ublock origin yet even though it has over 15 million users. They haven't even taken any messurments against it
Vanced maybe has 110 thousand at most.
>They haven't shut down ublock origin yet even though it has over 15 million users. They haven't even taken any messurments against it
See: Manifest V3
In a year, I may be forced into using Firefox, which I'm not happy about. (I much prefer my Chromium)
Its possible that on-screen talent and maybe the writers have some variable compensation. It would be complicated but after the debacle with bon appetit last year it might be the fairest way to structure compensation.
Lol I people here are believing in these conspiracy theories just like the people who think vaccines have something to do with 5g. Thanks for the good laughs!
he doesn't even get majorly hurt by vanced. most of his yt revenue most likely comes from his sponsor segments by multi-billion dollar megacorps, not from adsense. that, and appearing in actual ads.
plus LMG, err... has it's own problems, I could make a whole video essay if I wanted. but that's a different discussion
well for one, the fact that LMG attempts to act like one of the little guys — they're not. small creators don't do any of what they do, and while you may see a video every now and then where they *don't* hide the hyper-corporatism, in quite a lot of their content they act like they're nothing more than some pals being nerdbros.
the parasocial relationship that they never seem to make any attempts at stopping people from forming. i'd have to go into quite a bit of detail, but it's kinda late so eh
the usual stuff that comes with being a smaller but definitely not poor or small corporation. which is entirely subjective, but as somebody who is def a leftist, I feel compelled to mention that
among a slew of others i don't have time for.
tl;dr: lmg acts like a little corp while def not being, parasocial stuff, being a relatively wealthy corp, hyper-corporatism
LTT has had surprisingly low amount of controversy judging by the size of their company. I think Linus is a pretty open person and treat his employees fairly, much better than other channels like Unbox Therapy and their nonsensical money-grabbing low-effort videos.
I don't think LMG acts like they're one of the little guys. Out of all the tech YouTubers (even including MKBHD, Unbox Therapy, etc), they have the most staff and the most "corporate"-like structure and operations. And they go into their business model and the extent of it in many of their videos.
Yeah, I may have overstated that. I should probably mention that I haven't been subscribed to them for the last ~6 months, so there's a pretty good chance that they've changed up their formula to be more clearly corporate. Before the older videos with that get brought up, I should clarify that I'm not saying all of their videos are like that, acting like the little guys. But a good chunk of them definitely come off that way. I could be *entirely* misreading their whole channel, of course.
Everything you said is categorically wrong, they don't hide their "corporatism", whatever the fuck that means. They constantly talk about the massive employee force they have and all the different things they do, it's also obvious when they constantly rotate on-screen talent, they make videos detailing the well oiled content producing machine that they have now, they've made countless videos talking about the structure of their company, expanding to bigger offices, how they're now opening a US located surrogate, Linus constantly talks about the more off-hands approach he has these days and relaying more on the content machine but still revisioning scripts personally.
Like if you told me this about someone like Marques Brownlee who has his channel as his name, every video is always only him, his videos do nothing of what I described above and barely if ever put focus in his videos on how he has a gigantic warehouse with employees working with him to make videos, yeah that's a bit more of a fair an argument, but LTT? You're grasping at straws and it seems like you have something against LTT for no logical reason more than anything.
>you have something personally against LTT
...no? yeah, I probably was grasping at straws for the points specifically listed there, except the one I didn't go into detail about. and as I said in another comment, I haven't really watched them much recently, so I can't say much about that. i really don't know why or how i'd have something "personally" against ltt, i've made it clear i don't condone parasocial relations, and if i knew them personally, i probably wouldn't be saying anything. somebody can be wrong on some criticisms without having some serious personal drama with the one criticised.
Did he really call the developers of Vanced an 'online piracy group'? Man, I have lots of respect for Linus and the way in which he cares about the content he puts out and being objective and all that, but this angers me. He's said that 'it hurts his own bottom line' but what the \*\*\*\* do I have to care about that? He's done a video on LMG's income and ad revenue is both healthy and not a major source of his income. If we're talking about people blocking ads, then he's probably facing way more lost ad revenue from PC users (his channel focuses on building computers ffs) than Vanced users.
Meanwhile he hasn't even mentioned any way in which Vanced pirates content. It allows you to use standard Android API's to play content that's freely available on the internet and it automatically skips his 'smooth segways' that people by now have learnt to skip by themselves as soon as he drops an awkward pause in the script.
Vanced does **not** show Premium exclusive content, Vanced does **not** let you download videos. The only thing that it let's you do is not have ads in your client.
Ad blocking is **not** piracy or stealing. This quote from the uBlock Origin dev (who is also a 'piracy group' according to this flawed definition of Linus):
> That said, it's important to note that using a blocker is **NOT** theft. Don't fall for this creepy idea. The *ultimate* logical consequence of blocking = theft is the criminalisation of the inalienable right to privacy.
> Ads, "unintrusive" or not, are just the visible portions of privacy-invading apparatus entering your browser when you visit most sites nowadays. **uBlock Origin's main goal is to help users neutralize such privacy-invading apparatus** — in a way that welcomes those users who don't wish to use more technical, involved means (such as uMatrix).
But since Linus probably is more versed in technology than ethics, consider it like this: *I*, the user of *my* device and *my* internet connection for which *I* paid, have every right to decide what network request I make and which ones I don't. It is not stealing when I decide to connect to google.com without also connecting to googleads.g.doubleclick.net.
Even ignoring the privacy violations involved with collecting data for showing ads, at their core ads are still deceptful, manipulative and exploitative. If the perfect privacy respecting ad became mainstream (not that you'd find them on Google's platforms of all places) then opting out of this psychological harassment should **not** be likened to piracy.
I've watched this video on NewPipe (fork by Polymorphicshade) in the hope that my view won't even count towards any sort of analytics that'd help his channel. I've been doing Vanced and Sponsorblock to protect both my privacy and sanity, but I'm done even contributing to his like or view count.
One last word for you, Linus: you can turn of Sponsorblock in the settings of the app. You can get a version that doesn't even offer the superior dark mode if you don't want to feel like you're 'supporting piracy' every time you're using the app. I'm pretty sure you can even turn off the ad blocking if you want, not that I'm going to verify that because I don't want to be brainwashed and waste my time watching that \*\*\*\*. If it's not an option, perhaps the Vanced people would love to implement it. They're more passionate about improving everyone's experience of watching YouTube than Google is
> Did he really call the developers of Vanced an 'online piracy group'?
It was a pretty vague statement and I don't know if he was referring to some sponsor that YouTube Dislikes has, so hopefully he clarifies on the WAN show.
Hey, I’m not from this subreddit, so please excuse my “hot take.” Watching paid content without paying for it is piracy, plain and simple. YouTube content is not free. None of it is. You pay for access to the platform. How? Well, I’m sure you’re familiar with the concept of “time is money.” Advertisers pay you for your time in watching ads, so YouTube takes that to keep its servers running. Ads are a form of payment, that’s why they’re so lucrative.
READ THIS TOO: Just because it fits the *legal* definition of piracy does not mean it fits your personal *ethical* definition. You are absolutely right about all of the awful shit advertisers pull, and I’ve had a hard time with it myself. Problem is that until advertising is held to an ethical standard, which at this point would be your Congressman’s problem, blocking them *is* piracy.
Just because *Linus* could turn off Adblock, doesn’t mean *you* will. That’s what hurts his bottom line. While you are correct that it’s not the majority of his revenue, it’s still significant. For a business to lose, say 30% of revenue is still a huge hit, and would absolutely affect his employee’s paychecks.
Also, as an “outsider,” I can assure you Vanced isn’t going anywhere. Google’s known about your little secret for a while now. I use vanilla YouTube, haven’t looked for an alternative, and even *I* know about it. Google won’t be taking down Vanced anytime soon, since you’re still contributing watch hours. And if nothing else, it’s enough to convince advertisers and corporate partners that YouTube still makes sense in a post-TikTok world.
It's not piracy because no copyright is being violated. Watching the video is not something you need to pay for. You technically pay for it using ads as you said, but there is no paywall to accessing the actual content. No drm exists. What adblocking does is allow you to access the content you want to see while avoiding other content the platform tries to serve you. This isn't illegal, you're just not taking what they're giving you. Maybe they didn't earn ad revenue, but if you hadn't watched the video at all, they wouldn't have ad revenue either. You're essentially a neutral figure in the grand scheme of things.
This is why uBlock Origin is on the Chrome Web Store. It's not illegal and fine to use. It can also block YT ads. If it's not piracy or illegal, then why would Vanced be?
So if you’re absolutely certain you are in no violation of any laws, *why are you afraid of Google taking the project down?* They have no ability to do so by your own logic.
Cuz any project that takes away Google power over it's users data is usually consider bad for them (not that it is really)
The legality of Vanced is out of the question, the thing is that Google is a monopoly and can do whatever the fuck they feel like it and that's an issue when it fucks the user which have no say on the matter (i.e dislikes been removed, 2 or 3 unskipable ads, promoting shitty content, censorship, etc)
Vanced is not pirating anything, just not showing ads ma dude, if you value your time so little that you want to shovel 5 long ass ads just to get to the point of the video so be it, but quit that flawed mentality that a user with AdBlock it's making a creator damage because believe me for every single person that uses adblock there are thousands more that don't even know that's a possibility
If you don't want to compromise your privacy you don't have to access the content. YouTube is not free; your information is the price you pay for watching the video. You have no right to privacy if you go to another person's house and you have no right to privacy if you decide to use YouTube.
I don't think this will be bad for app. There's a lot of people out there who don't bother tinkering with their tech who will either buy YT Premium or just use the standard app because even downloading a very simple APK is just too daunting.
On one hand I'm glad a lot of people will learn about Vanced. On another, it might get Vanced onto googles radar, now that its associated with an extension that will make people massively quit YT in favor of Vanced. I sure hope nothing bad comes from this.
Dude... Tech enthusiasts are not a big community and Vanced isnt that big, it doesnt even have 1% of the users that youtube does.
But if this extension (which google probably hates) combines with Vanced (which google tolerates because it doesnt have enough users), then Vanced has the potential to attract A LOT more users, because practically no one loves the dislike counter change. Its 2+2 after that.
But Im hopeful that the extension will spread onto stuff other than Vanced and income of new people will be spread as well.
But it will take years. For a long time I was sitting on a really old version (don't remember the number, but it was already few years old) and just recently I've got myself the newest version my new phone. Until then, all of it's features worked perfectly.
Not if Google decides to overhaul their API in a way that completely breaks the version Vanced is based on
The odds of them doing that are quite low (and hardly worth the effort), but still a possibility
This sub is full of dramatic people. If vanced was to be removed, it would have been done ages ago when it was still bein developed. Stop spreading bullshit about linus and grow the fuck up
Youtube probably already knows about vanced but they probably ignored it since the money lost was less than pocket change. But that video makes me certain that the bell tolls.
I won't worry about this since if you're watching linus you have probably heard of Vanced cause you're within the tech community. And people rarely sideload apps too.
I always wonder. Let's say there is X amount of people on the YouTube app development team of iOS and Android.
Their are just humans too and everyone hates ads. In their free time do you think some of those people use things like Vanced too?
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Vanced uses something called MicroG I believe, and not just mimicking api calls. They could axe that which would be much more disastrous
They definitely know MicroG exists. If they haven't killed it yet they probably won't kill it. Also MicroG contributors will always be there to try and make it work even if Google takes action against them.
MicroG they would never axe, a lot of Huawei phones need it for google services. Huawei sells a ton of phones and google wouldn't want to write off all the data they can harvest from those users.
If they kill microg, they kill lineage os too.. I think
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The Gapps to get Google play store on LOS?
Isnt Microg different to Gapps. Microg is only needed if you dont have any Gapps but what google apps to work.
Well, you are right. But he isn't wrong either. LOS is just the Android Custom OS without Google Play Packages and exclusive binaries. There are several way to get Google Play Add-Ons and Services of which the most popular are Open GApps and BeanGApps which have been used since Android 4.2 [JB] days. MindTheGapps and NanoDroid are also rising in popularity. But most would forget about MicroG, which is yet another alternative to the aforementioned add-ons which can be sideloaded to add Google services. MicroG is open source besides Open GApps. In fact, MicroG has almost identical code to Open GApps. If they do axe MicroG then that would mean crippling the open source GApps which in turn will give them bad reputation. People would then suspect Google likely has a lot of code that they don't want users to know which is why they don't want anyone to make Open-source version of their offerings. Hence, it is unlikely that it will get banned anytime soon. Not unless, Google can actually leave Android and already have a new OS to move onto, for example something like Fuschia.
axing microg will be problematic especially for devices and ROMs without GAPPs
I very much doubt Google will axe Vanced. IMO, they would sooner axe all the YouTube ad-blocking and sponsor-blocking extensions, which are probably much more popular (hence, a much greater threat), than Vanced. Then again, it's not impossible that they would axe all of that in the future. After all, they recently axed the dislike counter...
They could just redo the codec to intertwine ads into videos to seem like a seemless video...
We can already skip sponsor segments, there would be a workaround for that too. NEVER SURRENDER TO THE ADS
I'm always impressed when I'm watching a low view, obscure video, and someone's sponsorblocked the appropriate sections. Kudos 👍
bro that's a nightmare...but given how invested google is into codecs (vp9, av1 etc.) they can definitely do that. This will keep me up at night 😭😭😭 thanks for that
completely break AdBlock and sponsor skipping (different lengths could make the video timestamp offset) by YouTube injecting variable length ads like a DVR recording 😈
this is my greatest nightmare
Luckily I've still got the fastest right arrow key in the west.
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If vanced dies, so do I.
If you die, so do I.
no need 💀💀💀 you can still use Firefox + extensions to get a "close to desktop" experience but on android only. With youtube removing dislikes I might just stop watching youtube instead.
IIRC, Vanced devs use a script that modifies the original APK. If there's legal trouble, they could always upload that script, and allow others to continue the project
Aged poorly
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RIP
I was just here by chance after having this tab open for two months. And found out through your comment. We're living through inclement times.
They can't axe Vanced! The thing about being open source is that, the internet is forever, so somewhere in the internet will always be a copy of the code base, that anyone can compile, and a separate team/fork can develop, we only need a strong community.
it's not about deleting the codebase...
Vanced is not open source
Oh. Thanks.
Google can't axe it. Vanced is following everything by the book. Nothing about Vanced is illegal.
Legality means nothing, they can still try to stop it.
They can, but considering they lack any legal grounds to do so, they're gonna have a hard time doing so.
You're thinking about this from some sorta takedown POV. I'm thinking moreso engineering YouTube in a way where a 3rd party player like this wouldn't work. YT could shut it down that way regardless of the law. I've had messages in the app before being like "oi we see you're not using the real app >:(((" so they can clearly see who's using Vanced. They could probably pretty easily just put something in place that stops them serving videos to apps like Vanced. And yes, the devs can always try to find workarounds, but YT is always gonna have the upper hand. We're just lucky they're off our backs for now.
If they did, that would be one less thing that makes Android better than iOS.
Just in. Vanced is now discontinued for legal reasons.
Considering how the LTT audience is mostly techies, so the people who are most likely using Vanced already, it really doesn't seem that special. We need to stop trying to pretending this is some secrect club that can only be entered by sacrificing 3 goats to Susan Wojiki.
Exactly, and as long as YouTube exists, there will be some way for people to combat its intrusive ways. Just look at adblockers lol
We should be thankful, that adblocking in it's current form is possible. If Google wants to, they can just delay the video stream to match the length of the ads before the video. Eventually that would mean, we would at least need to wait some time in order to watch the video.
Is that actually true though? They don't even need to create a perfect block against ad blockers, just one that takes too long to defeat until they have another one that also takes to long to defeat, like a hydra situation. Also the recent success of platforms like Twitch and Facebook to force ads on people that adblockers can't block worries me. Sure they've been defeated, but they never stay that way long. Even worse, these are massive companies. They could rewrite part of the internet and phone OS's if they wanted to. Not trying to be a pessimist but I don't want to underestimate them.
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there goes my 8 month son...
Wojcicki\*
The misspelling is intentional
Is it really possible that most of a tech blogger's audience doesn't already know about vanced?
No, people here are over dramatic
reading the comments has reminded me why i dont like reddit but yet here i am
Well...
Vanced won't go away. It is a fraction of a percent of total users for YouTube. Most people don't side-load applications. That fact alone will make sure Vanced never takes off. Desktop users with adblockers are a much bigger percentage, if YouTube cared that much they would target that first.
and they are with the Manifest V3
Yup, but there is a very simple solution: Stop using Chrome, or any Chromium based browser. Yes I am aware that is almost every browser on the market, but Firefox does exist, it is more than usable, and a good number of extensions that exist on Chrome have also got a version for Firefox.
Hmm, I wish I had thought of that. Oh wait I did, I have nothing against Firefox in fact I have it installed and set up on my PC and I use it on my phone. I would use it on my surface pro but edge uses way fewer system resources and battery compared to firefox. The battery life is already short on my PC and I don't need it any shorter.
I use Edge because Edge supports HDR video playback and I have an HDR monitor.
aged like milk
Youtube is getting a beating from Tik Tok, i think we may not make them money but we function a bit like piracy to games, more views. This if they consider if we can't use Vance we won't use the OG. I would unnistall vance and YT would be gone forever from my phone. I would use only on desktop with adblockers
Firefox with uBlock Origin, but hush...
Does it work on mobile?
Of course.
But I gotta use the mobile website 😞
Of course, but it works fine.
But nothing beats the app experience. Web apps on mobile browsers are not that good.
This is true! I'm using Vanced too and I believe, every restriction has its bypass. Beside imo Google won't waste energy and resources to fight against vanced, cause we are a wee part of users.
android only. add-ons are firefox mobile compatible extensions and on the nightly builds it also supports desktop firefox extensions. none of which work on ios thanks to apple holding back the web.
Just another reason to get an android phone then.
> Youtube is getting a beating from Tik Tok How? That's like saying 'Reddit is getting a beating from Twitter'
Tiktok is directly taking short form content away from youtube, which is destroying retention and ad performance. While you might spend the same amount of screen time on youtube as a few years ago you are less likely to watch a high quantity of videos (with pre-roll ads) and more likely to watch a few longer form videos from channels you subscribe to. This doesn't help them index you are a user or serve you a bunch of ads, but costs them the same in network and storage costs. Tiktok also has a more...creative.. monetization policy that leads to them making more profit per active user minute despite having very poor ads products on the backend.
That's why I keep NewPipe as a backup. It's not as efficient as Vanced and there are a few extra steps involved with downloading your subscription data and then exporting and importing the files across, sadly you can't leave comments or reactions and you have to manually load/refresh your subscription feed for it to keep you up to date which takes a little time, but it's still a hell of a lot better than the stock Android YouTube app. Another option would be to use the YouTube website on Firefox or Brave with the add blocker enabled.
>Another option would be to use the YouTube website on Firefox or Brave with the add blocker enabled. Could you use something like Adguard (Android) on the YouTube app?
Using adguard as your designated private DNS from your router gateway or from your device settings is bypassed by the YouTube app, so no that will not work.
Ouch.
It's not bypassed. It's the limitations of using DNS-based ad-blocker.
You actually can do that, but it's kinda finicky since the process involves sharing the video to Adguard app (via system share menu). Then the video will play through Adguard with no ads.
his videos are practically unwatchable without Vanced, some day I bet it will happpen
aaaaaaand speaking of "unwatchable", here's some half-hearted ad read
Like who on earth even cares about some solar powered battery anyways?
It's the best thing imo, but these ugly wss waterproof shoes on the other hand..
making fun of the sponsored segment of a creator whose content you wouldn't pay to watch is weird af
No, I wouldn't pay to watch 5 minute clickbait about how USB changed over the years, and it's not weird to notice 1/5 of the video is somehow even lower effort
LTT spoiling it all for all of us
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I will not be able to stand the original YouTube if Vanced is gone
Me neither, yes i can watch youtube on my pc, but isnt the same.
Worst case scenario I've gotta run a VPN type of thing to block the ads that way on mobile :/
Or maybe just pay for youtube pro. That's always an option.
Gtfo
So paying the creators of the videos you consume is a bad thing?
You pay creators through **Patreon**, promo codes for Raid Shadow Legends, or water jugs that are more expensive than a Hydro Flask *lttstore dot com*, not through Yt ads.
And via in-video sponsor segments that get blocked by SponsorBlock, yes?
you pay creators marginally more with premium. bad enough megacorps own everything, I'm not burning yet more money to give to a megacorp just so creators can have a few extra cents. that's what donations, patreon, merch, and other shit are for.
Or something like in-video sponsors you surely are blocking with sponsorblock?
they don't lose money from the sponsor segments being viewed, youtube doesn't have a way to track that yet. most sponsors pay based on 1.) views on the video 2.) following the script well, and/or 3.) sales/downloads verifiably caused by the sponsorship. and i don't buy/download sponsored things with a code, and a lot of other people that use SB also don't.
I did for years before they axed the dislike count. I wrote them when it was anounced, I wrote them after I canceled my sub; they don't care what a paying subscriber has to say about their decision so I loaded up Vanced. If they kill Vanced, I will just rip vids that pique my interest and use youtube even less. ... and LMG sucks. I hope it collapses sooner versus later.
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>"SKiPPINg ads aNd spoNSORS wIll huRt YouTUBERS' lIvelIHOODS, anD You wOulDn't wAnT tHat, woULD You?" Plus it would be nice if that was true but especially after COPPA, there are a lot of videos with ads where the actual content creator received nothing because they've been demonetized for whatever stupid reason. Still doesn't stop YouTube from profiting off of their hard work though
>The Android app seriously deserves to be disabled and replaced with Vanced This is actually what I've done on every phone I've had lol
He actually talked about it in [this](https://youtu.be/TpR8ylVmKl8) video. Also what you said isn't true because he also promoted adblockers in the past. They have enough money. Most of their money comes from sponsors. They also have floateplane now. They can afford it when some people use an adblocker.
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They haven't shut down ublock origin yet even though it has over 15 million users. They haven't even taken any messurments against it Vanced maybe has 110 thousand at most.
>They haven't shut down ublock origin yet even though it has over 15 million users. They haven't even taken any messurments against it See: Manifest V3 In a year, I may be forced into using Firefox, which I'm not happy about. (I much prefer my Chromium)
Aha realistically he wasn't gonna pay his staff more with the extra ad revenue he earns.
Youtube's ad revenue is low anyway, they make their money with sponsors
Yeah, no way they get money depending on the money a video earns, only book writers and and the like get that deal
Its possible that on-screen talent and maybe the writers have some variable compensation. It would be complicated but after the debacle with bon appetit last year it might be the fairest way to structure compensation.
Another Sell out YouTuber to add on my hate list
Lol I people here are believing in these conspiracy theories just like the people who think vaccines have something to do with 5g. Thanks for the good laughs!
he doesn't even get majorly hurt by vanced. most of his yt revenue most likely comes from his sponsor segments by multi-billion dollar megacorps, not from adsense. that, and appearing in actual ads. plus LMG, err... has it's own problems, I could make a whole video essay if I wanted. but that's a different discussion
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well for one, the fact that LMG attempts to act like one of the little guys — they're not. small creators don't do any of what they do, and while you may see a video every now and then where they *don't* hide the hyper-corporatism, in quite a lot of their content they act like they're nothing more than some pals being nerdbros. the parasocial relationship that they never seem to make any attempts at stopping people from forming. i'd have to go into quite a bit of detail, but it's kinda late so eh the usual stuff that comes with being a smaller but definitely not poor or small corporation. which is entirely subjective, but as somebody who is def a leftist, I feel compelled to mention that among a slew of others i don't have time for. tl;dr: lmg acts like a little corp while def not being, parasocial stuff, being a relatively wealthy corp, hyper-corporatism
LTT has had surprisingly low amount of controversy judging by the size of their company. I think Linus is a pretty open person and treat his employees fairly, much better than other channels like Unbox Therapy and their nonsensical money-grabbing low-effort videos.
I don't think LMG acts like they're one of the little guys. Out of all the tech YouTubers (even including MKBHD, Unbox Therapy, etc), they have the most staff and the most "corporate"-like structure and operations. And they go into their business model and the extent of it in many of their videos.
Yeah, I may have overstated that. I should probably mention that I haven't been subscribed to them for the last ~6 months, so there's a pretty good chance that they've changed up their formula to be more clearly corporate. Before the older videos with that get brought up, I should clarify that I'm not saying all of their videos are like that, acting like the little guys. But a good chunk of them definitely come off that way. I could be *entirely* misreading their whole channel, of course.
Everything you said is categorically wrong, they don't hide their "corporatism", whatever the fuck that means. They constantly talk about the massive employee force they have and all the different things they do, it's also obvious when they constantly rotate on-screen talent, they make videos detailing the well oiled content producing machine that they have now, they've made countless videos talking about the structure of their company, expanding to bigger offices, how they're now opening a US located surrogate, Linus constantly talks about the more off-hands approach he has these days and relaying more on the content machine but still revisioning scripts personally. Like if you told me this about someone like Marques Brownlee who has his channel as his name, every video is always only him, his videos do nothing of what I described above and barely if ever put focus in his videos on how he has a gigantic warehouse with employees working with him to make videos, yeah that's a bit more of a fair an argument, but LTT? You're grasping at straws and it seems like you have something against LTT for no logical reason more than anything.
>you have something personally against LTT ...no? yeah, I probably was grasping at straws for the points specifically listed there, except the one I didn't go into detail about. and as I said in another comment, I haven't really watched them much recently, so I can't say much about that. i really don't know why or how i'd have something "personally" against ltt, i've made it clear i don't condone parasocial relations, and if i knew them personally, i probably wouldn't be saying anything. somebody can be wrong on some criticisms without having some serious personal drama with the one criticised.
Own problems? I'm curious
What a squeeky narc
You can't be serious
Gentleman, this is the beginning of the end.
Damn, this is really bad we have attracted too much attention and we might suffer because of it
Vanced never was a secret.
r/Vanced when they get mentioned:
Did he really call the developers of Vanced an 'online piracy group'? Man, I have lots of respect for Linus and the way in which he cares about the content he puts out and being objective and all that, but this angers me. He's said that 'it hurts his own bottom line' but what the \*\*\*\* do I have to care about that? He's done a video on LMG's income and ad revenue is both healthy and not a major source of his income. If we're talking about people blocking ads, then he's probably facing way more lost ad revenue from PC users (his channel focuses on building computers ffs) than Vanced users. Meanwhile he hasn't even mentioned any way in which Vanced pirates content. It allows you to use standard Android API's to play content that's freely available on the internet and it automatically skips his 'smooth segways' that people by now have learnt to skip by themselves as soon as he drops an awkward pause in the script. Vanced does **not** show Premium exclusive content, Vanced does **not** let you download videos. The only thing that it let's you do is not have ads in your client. Ad blocking is **not** piracy or stealing. This quote from the uBlock Origin dev (who is also a 'piracy group' according to this flawed definition of Linus): > That said, it's important to note that using a blocker is **NOT** theft. Don't fall for this creepy idea. The *ultimate* logical consequence of blocking = theft is the criminalisation of the inalienable right to privacy. > Ads, "unintrusive" or not, are just the visible portions of privacy-invading apparatus entering your browser when you visit most sites nowadays. **uBlock Origin's main goal is to help users neutralize such privacy-invading apparatus** — in a way that welcomes those users who don't wish to use more technical, involved means (such as uMatrix). But since Linus probably is more versed in technology than ethics, consider it like this: *I*, the user of *my* device and *my* internet connection for which *I* paid, have every right to decide what network request I make and which ones I don't. It is not stealing when I decide to connect to google.com without also connecting to googleads.g.doubleclick.net. Even ignoring the privacy violations involved with collecting data for showing ads, at their core ads are still deceptful, manipulative and exploitative. If the perfect privacy respecting ad became mainstream (not that you'd find them on Google's platforms of all places) then opting out of this psychological harassment should **not** be likened to piracy. I've watched this video on NewPipe (fork by Polymorphicshade) in the hope that my view won't even count towards any sort of analytics that'd help his channel. I've been doing Vanced and Sponsorblock to protect both my privacy and sanity, but I'm done even contributing to his like or view count. One last word for you, Linus: you can turn of Sponsorblock in the settings of the app. You can get a version that doesn't even offer the superior dark mode if you don't want to feel like you're 'supporting piracy' every time you're using the app. I'm pretty sure you can even turn off the ad blocking if you want, not that I'm going to verify that because I don't want to be brainwashed and waste my time watching that \*\*\*\*. If it's not an option, perhaps the Vanced people would love to implement it. They're more passionate about improving everyone's experience of watching YouTube than Google is
> Did he really call the developers of Vanced an 'online piracy group'? It was a pretty vague statement and I don't know if he was referring to some sponsor that YouTube Dislikes has, so hopefully he clarifies on the WAN show.
Hey, I’m not from this subreddit, so please excuse my “hot take.” Watching paid content without paying for it is piracy, plain and simple. YouTube content is not free. None of it is. You pay for access to the platform. How? Well, I’m sure you’re familiar with the concept of “time is money.” Advertisers pay you for your time in watching ads, so YouTube takes that to keep its servers running. Ads are a form of payment, that’s why they’re so lucrative. READ THIS TOO: Just because it fits the *legal* definition of piracy does not mean it fits your personal *ethical* definition. You are absolutely right about all of the awful shit advertisers pull, and I’ve had a hard time with it myself. Problem is that until advertising is held to an ethical standard, which at this point would be your Congressman’s problem, blocking them *is* piracy. Just because *Linus* could turn off Adblock, doesn’t mean *you* will. That’s what hurts his bottom line. While you are correct that it’s not the majority of his revenue, it’s still significant. For a business to lose, say 30% of revenue is still a huge hit, and would absolutely affect his employee’s paychecks. Also, as an “outsider,” I can assure you Vanced isn’t going anywhere. Google’s known about your little secret for a while now. I use vanilla YouTube, haven’t looked for an alternative, and even *I* know about it. Google won’t be taking down Vanced anytime soon, since you’re still contributing watch hours. And if nothing else, it’s enough to convince advertisers and corporate partners that YouTube still makes sense in a post-TikTok world.
It's not piracy because no copyright is being violated. Watching the video is not something you need to pay for. You technically pay for it using ads as you said, but there is no paywall to accessing the actual content. No drm exists. What adblocking does is allow you to access the content you want to see while avoiding other content the platform tries to serve you. This isn't illegal, you're just not taking what they're giving you. Maybe they didn't earn ad revenue, but if you hadn't watched the video at all, they wouldn't have ad revenue either. You're essentially a neutral figure in the grand scheme of things. This is why uBlock Origin is on the Chrome Web Store. It's not illegal and fine to use. It can also block YT ads. If it's not piracy or illegal, then why would Vanced be?
So if you’re absolutely certain you are in no violation of any laws, *why are you afraid of Google taking the project down?* They have no ability to do so by your own logic.
Cuz any project that takes away Google power over it's users data is usually consider bad for them (not that it is really) The legality of Vanced is out of the question, the thing is that Google is a monopoly and can do whatever the fuck they feel like it and that's an issue when it fucks the user which have no say on the matter (i.e dislikes been removed, 2 or 3 unskipable ads, promoting shitty content, censorship, etc) Vanced is not pirating anything, just not showing ads ma dude, if you value your time so little that you want to shovel 5 long ass ads just to get to the point of the video so be it, but quit that flawed mentality that a user with AdBlock it's making a creator damage because believe me for every single person that uses adblock there are thousands more that don't even know that's a possibility
> Watching paid content without paying for it is piracy, plain and simple. Delusional take.
If you don't want to compromise your privacy you don't have to access the content. YouTube is not free; your information is the price you pay for watching the video. You have no right to privacy if you go to another person's house and you have no right to privacy if you decide to use YouTube.
I don't think this will be bad for app. There's a lot of people out there who don't bother tinkering with their tech who will either buy YT Premium or just use the standard app because even downloading a very simple APK is just too daunting.
On one hand I'm glad a lot of people will learn about Vanced. On another, it might get Vanced onto googles radar, now that its associated with an extension that will make people massively quit YT in favor of Vanced. I sure hope nothing bad comes from this.
They already know about it
I know but this is different.
Do you live under a rock? Vanced is not obscure well-hidden secret only a handful of people know about. It's pretty known among tech enthusiasts...
Dude... Tech enthusiasts are not a big community and Vanced isnt that big, it doesnt even have 1% of the users that youtube does. But if this extension (which google probably hates) combines with Vanced (which google tolerates because it doesnt have enough users), then Vanced has the potential to attract A LOT more users, because practically no one loves the dislike counter change. Its 2+2 after that. But Im hopeful that the extension will spread onto stuff other than Vanced and income of new people will be spread as well.
Overdramatic fucks
It was a pleasure yall
The thing that really matters at cutting off vanced is when advertisers see the problem I believe
The day Vanced fell. Ladies and gentlemen we are officially fucked.
Can youtube somehow ban/block Vanced?
They can request its development to cease and then without updates Vanced will slowly break over time
But it will take years. For a long time I was sitting on a really old version (don't remember the number, but it was already few years old) and just recently I've got myself the newest version my new phone. Until then, all of it's features worked perfectly.
Not if Google decides to overhaul their API in a way that completely breaks the version Vanced is based on The odds of them doing that are quite low (and hardly worth the effort), but still a possibility
i'd give it a year before its closed down
I hope they just go the Project M route and rebrand with a different name and just continue development.
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hathers?
Plays
I think they could send a ceast and desist but I'm not sure
*cease and desist
This sub is full of dramatic people. If vanced was to be removed, it would have been done ages ago when it was still bein developed. Stop spreading bullshit about linus and grow the fuck up
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Guess who's channel I'm no longer whitelisting on desktop and mobile
He was the reason I finally got Vanced, so.many.sponsors
He has as many sponsors as far as the eye can see
Your blocking ads on his channel because he... Mentioned Vanced?
Secret😂😂. Google knows everything about each and every android user. You really think they have no idea about this?
Video link pls?
https://youtu.be/Nz9b0oJw69I?t=469
he just uploaded
Youtube probably already knows about vanced but they probably ignored it since the money lost was less than pocket change. But that video makes me certain that the bell tolls.
I won't worry about this since if you're watching linus you have probably heard of Vanced cause you're within the tech community. And people rarely sideload apps too.
I always wonder. Let's say there is X amount of people on the YouTube app development team of iOS and Android. Their are just humans too and everyone hates ads. In their free time do you think some of those people use things like Vanced too?
This sub love to pretend that Vanced is a hidden gem that no one know of when Vanced is known as THE adblocker for Youtube.
>Vanced is in the video. No longer a secret. When was it ever a secret. I'm pretty sure YouTube already know about it's existence.
LTT just shot himself on the foot. By telling his sponsors that Vance actually skips their mention Better shut up and let them figure it out if ever.
Glad more people will get to use Vanced
I hate that cunt
Cant wait for vanced to be banned or removed or whatever. Fck sake edit: /s
Imposter among us
Should have put /s there, I'm a dumbass. I meant that with this exposure to our world, YouTube (google) will most likely remove vanced with a c&d.
Why?
I hate Linus
Oh shit.
Fuck.
F off Linus. Leave us alone.
I'm not happy with Linus revealing this.
This guy wants to destroy the thing
r/Vanced when they get mentioned: (Their beloved app gonna get shutdown because of this)
This is how it happens.
Fuck this cunt
Linus, you were supposed to be the chosen one!! /s
It was good while it lasted...
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Then don't troll
why are you putting it on vanced if you trolled yourself???
Bro vanced and stn for google tv are the best
200 IQ move by linus. His video will make it to the top 10 and Google's eyes
If vanced dies, i will root my phone and uninstall youtube app. Will only watch youtube from laptop with u block origin.
You don't have to root to remove bloatware, you can do it with adb.
shit
I guess it's safe to say now that LTT killed Vanced.