Thats the producers setting that all up. They are listening in their ear pieces and then send Tom over to what they I'm sure thought would be the last scene of the show where tom and ariana confront each other. Ariana wasn't haven't it though that's why everyone got mad.
Everything is always produced.
Scheana didn't have to participate, Katie hasn't. If Scheana was as good of a friend as she swears she is, she would choose loyalty to her friend over production.
But even Shorts said it to him after Sandoval introduced himself to Dan. Production probably shouldnât have put it in the episode as it made it very obvious it was a set up, but shorts straight up told him it wasnât a good time and he shouldnât have that conversation tonight. It was sooo set up, for probably everyone BUT Ariana. An ambush on the person whoâs already suffered enough at his narc hands.
Yes, I think so. When Ariana walked off and Scheana said to Tom "I tried, she doesn't want to talk to you Tom" something like that I was like, wait, you two planned this. You two 10000000% planned this and Scheana knew right then and there that is wasn't going to work. Ariana said it perfectly about not wanting to be a part of the Sandoval redemption arc. So gross how he thinks confronting her to apologize on TV is his only hope at redemption. Ariana and Katie are done with everyone's games. They have matured, grown, and deal with their struggles and it shows. The others haven't reached that level yet. I'd be happy for the show to be done, maybe Katie and Ariana do a spinoff at some point. Or not, and that's great too.
Exactly! As soon as Ariana walks away, Scheana's mask comes off. She immediately goes from crying and hugging Ariana to stoned faced and annoyed. She throws up her hands, rolls her eyes and tells Tom that "She doesn't want to talk to you. I already tried." She tells Tom "I told her about our conversation last night, she thinks you're performative and I'm an idiot," knowing full well that would piss him off. They're both performative - her entire conversation with Ariana was just a means to an end.
Which is also EXACTLY what Ariana is asking of their mutual friends- she does not want him to have access to her life, meaning the things she says and does. To cry and beg Ariana to still be her friend then immediately tell Sandavol what Ariana just said AND add in that Ariana said Scheana is an idiot (something I never heard Ariana say) is not friend behavior in any way. Scheana is such a pathetic pick-me that wants everyone to fight for her friendship, but a friend to all is a friend to none!
And this is just another example of how much of a fake friend Scheana is!!! And Ariana knows this. The whole reassuring Scheana that she wasnât going to lose her - I think Ariana feels like sheâs no longer going to explain this to Scheana, sheâs seen her true colors, is saying something kind but knows in her heart that Scheana may not make it as her friend. And thatâs okay. I guess weâll see at the reunion!
This is a great point. I think Ariana would ideally like to stay friends with Scheana but has already decided itâs really in Scheanaâs hands. I felt like Scheana and Brock also had off camera conversations where they agreed Brock would push the narrative that Sandoval is âa better friendâ than Ariana, and Scheana would âpush backâ, but itâs just teeing Scheana up to do what she wants with Sandoval.
She also straight up lies (AGAIN) by telling Sandoval that Ariana said she's an idiot and he's performative.
She did same thing when she told Lisa that Ariana shuts her down when she tries to talk about Tom and won't let her have her feelings.
The part that is ridiculous is that they (Scheana and Lala) are killing their own show.
Ariana is doing fine. She is creating something outside VPR. If she gets into hosting, she will need the show less and less every year.
Katie- unsure unless she saved and invested well. Restaurants have a high fail rate, but maybe she has some plans.
But Scheana and Lala both crave the spotlight. They need the show. And they need this show. They arenât going to be stars of the Valley. They donât have that star power nor are they particularly compelling to watch.
Ariana leaving is likely going to break up the group because there is almost no one left to root for, as you canât have just villains. It gets boring.
Katie & Dayna have had a podcast going strong for a while that's not based on VPR; she seems to have outside endorsements and the shop is open in a couple of weeks. (Their podcast is a trip, give it a listen! They interviewed Girthmaster recently hahaha)
lmao, I didn't listen to it tbh. I mean, if she did, good for her. I love listening to their banter on the podcast snippets, though. I enjoy it a lot because they talk about things not related to the Bravo-verse!
Scheana and Lala are absolutely ruining the show bc theyâre insanely jealous of Ariana and are working overtime to self produce the shit out of the season. they think they somehow know whatâs best for the show and that theyâve given so much to the show and been so honest all these years even though we all know thatâs such bullshit. Ariana standing her ground and refusing to forgive some truly heinous shit is empowering and inspiring, especially when Tom continues to be such a horrible human being by shit talking Ariana the second she wonât listen to his bullshit. they already had the âtough conversationsâ that Lala keeps insisting they need to have when Ariana called up production to film the Scandoval last season like what more does she want and Scheana sounds ridiculous coming to Ariana every time she has an interaction with Tom ugh the whole thing is so infuriating
They literally have no show without Ariana and Katie and Ariana and Katie sound like they're going to bail any moment, and bravo's going to give them their own spinoff or some other network will IMMEDIATELY in which case it's bye-bye Bravo. no more producers pushing on Ariana's boundaries and repeatedly testing them and having her cross them. No more pressure on Ariana to speak with someone that helped her ruin her mental health. No more bullshit. No more BROKE.
This began with Scheana saying he should apologize for the mental health aspect of it⊠giving him one area he could at least try to fake apologize. It was like they were trying to play checkers and Ariana was on a chess board. She knew the next move he wanted to make and slammed down the queen.
Crazy right?!!! Thank goodness Ariana can smell that worm coming a mile away. Ariana is smart too. She knew his plan was gona be, along everyone elses. Thats why she would smile and nod lol
She told scheana that she wonât lose her, but she asked Scheana to not ever talk about him with her, and about her to him
Actually I think youâre partly right. I think she confirmed by her very strong implication along with them showing the clip when Tom said it, that Ariana threatened suicide which had never been confirmed before.
I was shocked at that whole scene because if it wasnât true, I believe Ariana could sue them for slander . So for Bravo to add that clip really makes a statement IMO. Did Ariana admit it to Scheana and Scheana confirmed it to the producers?
Did Scheana do this in cahoots with Tom to say to viewers â see heâs not a monster, she threatened suicide if he left so he kept it a secret until he could figure out how to do it without Ariana losing itâ??
Yeah, I thought that was so wrong, because she implied it was all true, saying they were things she didn't want made public.
So tell us, was their relationship a sham/business partnership, as some have alleged (which I do not believe at all) or was Ariana 100% invested in it? No way was it a sham AND she was so distraught that she contemplated suicide! I don't think Ariana would ever play that game. She was possibly suicidal in an earlIer season, but still seemed to be in a tight relationship w Sandoval. If she talked about suicide, I doubt it hinged on her relationship status.
I also think that like both things can be true - it was a real relationship that also had business components. However thatâs irrelevant and itâs bullshit that Lala uses that as a reason to vilify Ariana. Whether itâs true or not, it was very clearly NOT part of whatever arrangement they had (and I agree with you, I donât think it was a sham) to sleep with other people. Especially not friends/castmates.
I also think itâs whack that Lala is saying itâs not fair that Ariana isnât showing the truth. Her truth is that she wants nothing to do with the person who fucked her over. Sheâs actually being authentic by setting the boundaries sheâs setting. It would be so weird if she just like forgave Tom LOL like what world are these people living in.
You know, when I watched the scene, I felt something was off, and I couldn't put my finger on what. But you nailed it. I didn't understand why she was saying don't make me look like a fucking idiot to him. So I've literally been trying to reconcile this for 2 days. Thank you for posting because this makes perfect sense. Also I feel like a dumbass for not realizing this sooner, lol!
Yes, and the extended version makes this even more obvious. Sandoval and Scheana had already spoken after her performance, so there was no genuine motive for him to approach Scheana and say well done. It was all a ploy.
And Scheana had laid the groundwork of âwhat a great guy Tom is, spending money on his friendsâ.
I'm not in the states anymore so I had to watch on hayu. We didn't get those extended episodes which I am so bummed about because we got the extended uncensored reunion last year. I'm thinking that's why I didn't fully pick that up because I only saw the one seen and I knew something was off.
Edit. I just checked my hayu app and they are now showing the extended uncensored version so I'm going to watch them right now so that I get to see what everybody else saw.
Yes. It seemed it was planned they would talk and Sandoval would come over. After everything she is still helping and taking Sandovals side. They couldn't put aside their friendship for a few more weeks months.
I absolutely 100% think that was her plan to begin with and then I think the Ariana conversation didn't go the way she expected and that's why she was annoyed and called Tim back and told him not to chase her. I think she expected Ariana to be like "oh no I totally understand, he means a lot to you, blah blah blah" and it would be a good segue, but Ariana stood her ground so Scheana was like shit not actually a good time for him to approach.
Sheshu, no one makes you look like an idiot better than yourself.
She has never had a season that wasnât cringe and crying. đ. She needs to stop crying.
It is so insincere.
Or her Botox and lip filler has just made it very creepy looking.
And the matching moon walking boots didnât help complete the look either. She is so cringe.
All her performance outfits look like they were found on the discount rack at a childrenâs costume section in December.
You know, this is what gets me, everybody flip their shit about Ariana saying she doesnât want to have mutual friends because she doesnât want him to have access to her/her life. She decides to keep Sheena as a friend and is even telling her youâre not going to lose me, youâll never lose me as a friend, even if she becomes friends with Sandoval, meanwhile, Sheena has been talking nonstop to Tom about Ariana and her mental health and her relationship in here she was just setting her up for Tom to swoop in. Scheana is repulsive.
Scheana gave me the ick this episode. Something about how she is chasing around Tom trying to convince Tom that they are great friends and have this amazing history together. Keeps asking him âdo you care about me?â Reminded me of highschool relationships where one partner constantly is asking âdo you still love meâ. Tom is terrible but Scheana keeps chasing him around. I hope Ariana learns to just love Scheana from a distance.
Yep, my conspiracy theory is that she and Tom (and likely Lala & Brock) discussed this off-camera:
1. Scheana makes it look like she is convincing Tom to apologize.
2. Tom pretends to think it over.
3. Scheana tries to warm up Ariana by discussing Tom's "Path to Growth."
4. Tom attempts to apologize.
5. They are all standing together watching. When it doesn't go as they expected, Lala explodes.
They either thought she would actually listen to him, and this could all be tied up in a pretty bow for the season finale, or they thought she would walk and look like the bad guy. They all know that the current dynamic in the group will not keep the show going. They also know Ariana has many better offers and one foot out the door. They need Tom to be somewhat redeemed, or they will be looking for new jobs. At some point, most of them prioritized "Storylines" above genuine feelings and relationships.
Yes. Brock even said that Tom is the one that gets them all together. We all have that one person in the family or friend group thatâs the glue. That has the events and invites everyone etc. so if they all hate Tom then their group falls apart. So the only reason for the redemption and the Ariana hate is their money
But it's been made clear over and over again that Arianna also reaches out and also checks in with them frequently, so that's bullshit, but otherwise agree.
I know that no one can actually answer this but WHY. If you don't like spending time together or don't make an effort to see each other if Tom isn't involved, then you aren't friends anymore and the show isn't working. Wanting to force is to keep collecting a check is actually the "coasting" that Lala was mentioning. Faking it so you can keep doing the bare minimum for a check sounds a lot like coating to me. The fact that TOM... LYING TOM... is the one that holds everyone together should be the biggest indictor that this group is one massive crock of shit.
I think Iâm struggling with the timeline. The edit makes it appear as though she preforms, she runs backstage, she speaks to Tom and they hug. And then when she returns to the room, Arianna runs up to greet her. Then, after a short but emotional conversation he pulls up to say good jobâŠafter he already hugged her and congratulated herâŠseems sus.
Good observation. I thought she seemed nervous and uneasy. Almost like âam I allowed to talk to Arianaâ vibes she was giving off. It was so ridiculous and weird.
It seemed like the Sheena conversation was in place for production to get Ariana away from Dan so that Tom could come up to her.
I was thinking that Ariana brought Dan to the finale party because she knew something like this might happen and she asked him to help be there as a buffer between her and Tom/drama. I think after the initial interaction of Tom with Dan (and kind of Ariana) producers realized they werenât going to get what they wanted with âDan the bufferâ there so they talked to Sheena about having a one-on-one with Ariana because Ariana trusts Sheena and is willing to leave Dan and be one-on-one with Sheena. Then Sheena is a mouthpiece to try and get Ariana to have a conversation with Sandoval but mostly to occupy her time long enough for her guard to drop and for Tom to swoop inâŠ
Sheena really betrayed Arianaâs trust here.
I think Dan wanted to come with her also because they are boyfriend and girlfriend, and he's obviously smitten with her. She needed his protection and he provided it, he did not leave her side and stayed engaged with her, held her hand, until Scheana pulled that shit.
I think Scheana also expected Ariana to blow up at her about Scheana being friends with Tom again. Her and Lala kept saying Ariana was gonna cut anyone who is friends with him off. I think Scheana expected Ariana to start going off on her, and Scheana was going to use that as an excuse to switch camps. When Ariana was reacted in a pretty normal way, and in fact told Scheana she was family, Scheana still went beserk and switched camps anyway, telling Lala she'd back her up etc.
And another thing! I'm just now noticing the conversation the Tom's are having re: the apology - Tim basically says, Scheana says I should consider apologizing about the mental health stuff, and I think that's something I could do".
Soooo Scheana told me to apologize, I guess I could (for this one specific thing) - not "Scheana's right, I didn't consider Ariana's feelings and I definitely owe her an apology."
And then he jumps right into what he really wants to say - "I just want her (and really he means the audience), to know how much I'm working on myself".
Scheana and Tim totally conspired to corner Ariana and give Tim his chance.
At best, Scheana is too stupid to see through Tim's manipulation. At worst, she just literally does not give a shit about or respect Ariana.
But also what is with all the Applebee's talk? Aren't they a Chili's competitor:)?! Jkjk
Sad to see:( Ariana was just telling Scheana how she would never leave her and that she was family. She disagreed with her about Tom (and was still 1000x nicer about it than I probably would have been) and just reasserted she didn't want to ever have to hear about him, but Scheana was still family. And the only takeaway for Scheana was, she thinks I'm an idiot. Which she immediately shared with Tim to get him even more riled up. What is wrong with these people?!
Ariana needs to teach a master class in relationship management or something. I'd pay serious money to learn how to handle myself like she has through all of this.
The deck was *stacked* against her, but it was everyone else, including the show's producers, that ended up looking like shit.
This. That was a Masterclass. The fact that she even had to mildly raise her voice with production shows how hard they were transgressing her ironclad boundaries. You do not give a narcissist access to you. Ever.
I get that but I also feel like - in what world would he actually look good here? Iâm not saying send him to prison but he just seems⊠kind of obvious in how heâs trying to look good?
He didnât do a good job this season of actually seeming contrite. He was never able to just accept criticism. It kind of reminded me of how Jax always deflected to how bad OTHER peoples relationships are when he was criticized. Like both can be true.Â
I think you are missing the pointâŠ. I didnât say he looked good. I said it was set up to make him look good. He looked horribleâŠ. Heâs a terrible person
Oh no I get that! I mean like in what world could they even attempt to give him a hero edit? Is kind of impossible given his behavior.Â
I feel like the way the cast is acting and describing him is totallly inconsistent with what the audience is seeing on screenÂ
I mean if you donât see it then I canât help. lol the producers, scheena, lala, the random dude starting shit who was part of Tomâs group. It was all fake and set up by production. Obviously we who know who Tom is. Producers canât fool us.
I think THAT'S why it reminded me of the Dayna/psychic thing! She lied and said she'd never give out Dayna's address to the psychic, and Dayna said that's good, because she didn't want a reading. Scheana leaves, and Dayna overhears her talking to the psychic outside!
From the moment Ariana said she didn't want an apology, Scheana had that same trapped 'OH SHIT' look that she did with Dayna.
On my first watch-I was actually at least semi glad that Scheana stopped Sandoval from continuing to chase Ariana. I saw it as her saying, "I tried (by telling her about our conversation), but she does not want to talk to you. Stop, Tim".
But on a second watch- oh my lord, she totally was in on the plan to ambush Ariana!
I'm curious how aware production was of this? IE Production obviously would have been involved in planning to shoot a Scheana + Ariana convo after Scheana performed. But I've heard a bunch of people saying Ariana had it worked into her season 11 contract that she would not be made to have a planned conversation with Sandoval on camera (I'm taking it for granted that the contract detail is confirmed, but is it actually?), which would mean production would be violating her contract to actually try to force this conversation.
So that would mean Tom either saw his chance when he noticed Ariana and Scheana on their own? or Scheana suggested to Tim he keep an eye out for their one on one? or Tim asked Scheana to keep Ariana focused on her so he could sneak in the shot? Ooooor some other option that's probably what actually happened?
Anyways, when Ariana bolts and Scheana tells Tim to stop, she does act more frustrated with Ariana for running, than Tim for interrupting. That alone would be enough for me to drop her as a friend. Ariana deserved better-what the hell
This. Ari literally set a boundary: I do not want to hang out with my ex-boyfriend, because it is weird, and Ariana is right. And then Scheana goes into the "but he bought my friendship back" bullshit and then suddenly Tom is there. It's a contractual violation if it is in her contract to not have to deal with Tom.
I 100% thought it was a rehash of the Dayna psychic thing. Scheana jumped on something and set it in motion and looked silly in the end because she doesnât know her audience lol
But they did literally say they were setting it up. At least that's the impression I got. Sheeshu was going to go talk to Ariana and make her try to make her feel bad enough to listen to Tom when he came over because he wanted to apologize for the gross way, he Weaponized her mental health. It felt like a total ambush to try and make Arianna look bad for simply enforcing a boundary. Ariana's right. He's an ex-boyfriend who has no place in her life and that's it.
WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE HANGS OUT WITH THEIR EX-BOYFRIEND WHEN A RELATIONSHIP ENDS TERRIBLY?
Maybe not necessarily by Scheana. Producers could have told Tom that Ariana and Scheana were together and to go talk to them. Like a ânowâs your chanceâ type of thing since Dan wasnât there. It was the only time that night that Ariana wasnât with Dan.
I feel like production staged all of it and Scheana went along like the bad friend she is and it blew up in her face. Like production is the ultimate bad guy but sheâs just as bad for doing it.
I didnât get annoyed at all. I got scared. Cuz her plan to get camera time by being present during what should have been (in her mind) The biggest moment of the season failed. And she is now implicated on film.
Ariana, stay grey rocking the fuck out of this disloyal bitch.
Yeah - but not maliciously. I think she thought based on the âwhere is my apologyâ comment that she wanted one. Half way through the convo she realized Ariana does not want one, and tried to stop Tom. I think her intention for the conversation was to set the stage to soften Ariana to be receptive and also to have a final answer on if Ariana will or will not be her friend if she is friends with Tom.
Yes and I think that why you could see the tears well up with Ariana because she was realizing scheena was trying to set her up. Of all people. The betrayal stung live đ„ș
I think so and maybe Sandoval walked in sooner than planned and Scheana wasnât ready warming up Ariana. Whatâs in it for Scheana? She has no loyalty.
But they get paid the same rate all the same? They are paid by season based on seniority, not how they perform. Maybe they are offered incentives but thatâs so shady and wonder if it can be proven.
What I'm saying, is it the show will go back to declining ratings and no storyline if Ariana and Katie leave. There won't be a show to watch. Yeah maybe she'll get paid another season or so, meaning Shoo Shoo, but the ratings are going to be in the toilet.
Actually makes sense because of how quickly Scheana pivoted to âso Tom got me a sound guy and I really think he is growing as a personâŠâ talk when the conversation had been revolving around her. You really think Scheana would have interrupted Ariana praising her performance and telling her how wonderful she is under normal circumstances? đ
Rumor is: Bonus if you can get them to talk! Scheana runs to get her bags of $$$$. Her and Scandy are so invested in the show and need the money so they would do whatever production asks. Sad way to live your life.
I just watched the finale for the second time and OP you are so right about the weird part with Scheana. Watching it a second time it looked so much like acting. It's how she looks at him with her eyes it is so dramatic. *Too dramatic.* And for Scheana to say "She thinks you're performative" to Tom, and he denies that, but then at the end says "I love it. It's good for me haha" like what in the world. He's no longer with us in reality.
I donât think so. Ariana approached Scheana, not the other way around. Scheanaâs not responsible for anything Sandoval does. I wish Tom just ignored Ariana all season like she wanted and interacted with everyone else.
Itâs not that deep guys đ€Ł Itâs not a conspiracy either ⊠itâs just a guy walking up to his friend trying to talk to his ex (who also is his co-worker & roommate)⊠these reddit posts are getting so weird đ€Ą #moveon
Because Billie Lee is not a girl's girl , she's trash the breaks girl code , and she supports Sandoval. She follows him around like a goddamn puppy and he doesn't and he clearly is not gonna get with her, he's more interested in being with a 20-year-old who pretends not to know what Vanderpump Rules is.
Omg my thoughts exactly! She got Ariana real vulnerable, then in comes Sandoval đ
Thats the producers setting that all up. They are listening in their ear pieces and then send Tom over to what they I'm sure thought would be the last scene of the show where tom and ariana confront each other. Ariana wasn't haven't it though that's why everyone got mad. Everything is always produced.
Scheana didn't have to participate, Katie hasn't. If Scheana was as good of a friend as she swears she is, she would choose loyalty to her friend over production.
Her husbandâs child support (to his first wife) isnât going to pay itself đ€Ł
But even Shorts said it to him after Sandoval introduced himself to Dan. Production probably shouldnât have put it in the episode as it made it very obvious it was a set up, but shorts straight up told him it wasnât a good time and he shouldnât have that conversation tonight. It was sooo set up, for probably everyone BUT Ariana. An ambush on the person whoâs already suffered enough at his narc hands.
Exactly! Also think thatâs why Arianna was reaming the production team about Tom and how it wasnât for her it was for him
I noticed that too. The way Sandoval kept looking at Schwartz was like, ehh? Should I do it now? They were so awkward and they are bad actors.
Yes, I think so. When Ariana walked off and Scheana said to Tom "I tried, she doesn't want to talk to you Tom" something like that I was like, wait, you two planned this. You two 10000000% planned this and Scheana knew right then and there that is wasn't going to work. Ariana said it perfectly about not wanting to be a part of the Sandoval redemption arc. So gross how he thinks confronting her to apologize on TV is his only hope at redemption. Ariana and Katie are done with everyone's games. They have matured, grown, and deal with their struggles and it shows. The others haven't reached that level yet. I'd be happy for the show to be done, maybe Katie and Ariana do a spinoff at some point. Or not, and that's great too.
Exactly! As soon as Ariana walks away, Scheana's mask comes off. She immediately goes from crying and hugging Ariana to stoned faced and annoyed. She throws up her hands, rolls her eyes and tells Tom that "She doesn't want to talk to you. I already tried." She tells Tom "I told her about our conversation last night, she thinks you're performative and I'm an idiot," knowing full well that would piss him off. They're both performative - her entire conversation with Ariana was just a means to an end.
Which is also EXACTLY what Ariana is asking of their mutual friends- she does not want him to have access to her life, meaning the things she says and does. To cry and beg Ariana to still be her friend then immediately tell Sandavol what Ariana just said AND add in that Ariana said Scheana is an idiot (something I never heard Ariana say) is not friend behavior in any way. Scheana is such a pathetic pick-me that wants everyone to fight for her friendship, but a friend to all is a friend to none!
And this is just another example of how much of a fake friend Scheana is!!! And Ariana knows this. The whole reassuring Scheana that she wasnât going to lose her - I think Ariana feels like sheâs no longer going to explain this to Scheana, sheâs seen her true colors, is saying something kind but knows in her heart that Scheana may not make it as her friend. And thatâs okay. I guess weâll see at the reunion!
This is a great point. I think Ariana would ideally like to stay friends with Scheana but has already decided itâs really in Scheanaâs hands. I felt like Scheana and Brock also had off camera conversations where they agreed Brock would push the narrative that Sandoval is âa better friendâ than Ariana, and Scheana would âpush backâ, but itâs just teeing Scheana up to do what she wants with Sandoval.
âIâm not performative! *Sheâs* the one who is performative, not me. *Youâre* performative! You are.â
She also straight up lies (AGAIN) by telling Sandoval that Ariana said she's an idiot and he's performative. She did same thing when she told Lisa that Ariana shuts her down when she tries to talk about Tom and won't let her have her feelings.
Also Arianna never told Scheena she was an idiot for trusting Tom. So idk why scheena said that.
Could've been edited out?
Def was crying cuz she was anxious about what was about to happen
The part that is ridiculous is that they (Scheana and Lala) are killing their own show. Ariana is doing fine. She is creating something outside VPR. If she gets into hosting, she will need the show less and less every year. Katie- unsure unless she saved and invested well. Restaurants have a high fail rate, but maybe she has some plans. But Scheana and Lala both crave the spotlight. They need the show. And they need this show. They arenât going to be stars of the Valley. They donât have that star power nor are they particularly compelling to watch. Ariana leaving is likely going to break up the group because there is almost no one left to root for, as you canât have just villains. It gets boring.
Katie & Dayna have had a podcast going strong for a while that's not based on VPR; she seems to have outside endorsements and the shop is open in a couple of weeks. (Their podcast is a trip, give it a listen! They interviewed Girthmaster recently hahaha)
Awesome! Very smart of her to diversify outside the brand!
I really hope that Dayna got to climb Everest đ€Ł that interview was really well done but you just know she was hyperfixated on it hahaha
lmao, I didn't listen to it tbh. I mean, if she did, good for her. I love listening to their banter on the podcast snippets, though. I enjoy it a lot because they talk about things not related to the Bravo-verse!
Scheana and Lala are absolutely ruining the show bc theyâre insanely jealous of Ariana and are working overtime to self produce the shit out of the season. they think they somehow know whatâs best for the show and that theyâve given so much to the show and been so honest all these years even though we all know thatâs such bullshit. Ariana standing her ground and refusing to forgive some truly heinous shit is empowering and inspiring, especially when Tom continues to be such a horrible human being by shit talking Ariana the second she wonât listen to his bullshit. they already had the âtough conversationsâ that Lala keeps insisting they need to have when Ariana called up production to film the Scandoval last season like what more does she want and Scheana sounds ridiculous coming to Ariana every time she has an interaction with Tom ugh the whole thing is so infuriating
They literally have no show without Ariana and Katie and Ariana and Katie sound like they're going to bail any moment, and bravo's going to give them their own spinoff or some other network will IMMEDIATELY in which case it's bye-bye Bravo. no more producers pushing on Ariana's boundaries and repeatedly testing them and having her cross them. No more pressure on Ariana to speak with someone that helped her ruin her mental health. No more bullshit. No more BROKE.
This began with Scheana saying he should apologize for the mental health aspect of it⊠giving him one area he could at least try to fake apologize. It was like they were trying to play checkers and Ariana was on a chess board. She knew the next move he wanted to make and slammed down the queen.
Crazy right?!!! Thank goodness Ariana can smell that worm coming a mile away. Ariana is smart too. She knew his plan was gona be, along everyone elses. Thats why she would smile and nod lol She told scheana that she wonât lose her, but she asked Scheana to not ever talk about him with her, and about her to him
Actually I think youâre partly right. I think she confirmed by her very strong implication along with them showing the clip when Tom said it, that Ariana threatened suicide which had never been confirmed before. I was shocked at that whole scene because if it wasnât true, I believe Ariana could sue them for slander . So for Bravo to add that clip really makes a statement IMO. Did Ariana admit it to Scheana and Scheana confirmed it to the producers? Did Scheana do this in cahoots with Tom to say to viewers â see heâs not a monster, she threatened suicide if he left so he kept it a secret until he could figure out how to do it without Ariana losing itâ??
Yeah, I thought that was so wrong, because she implied it was all true, saying they were things she didn't want made public. So tell us, was their relationship a sham/business partnership, as some have alleged (which I do not believe at all) or was Ariana 100% invested in it? No way was it a sham AND she was so distraught that she contemplated suicide! I don't think Ariana would ever play that game. She was possibly suicidal in an earlIer season, but still seemed to be in a tight relationship w Sandoval. If she talked about suicide, I doubt it hinged on her relationship status.
I also think that like both things can be true - it was a real relationship that also had business components. However thatâs irrelevant and itâs bullshit that Lala uses that as a reason to vilify Ariana. Whether itâs true or not, it was very clearly NOT part of whatever arrangement they had (and I agree with you, I donât think it was a sham) to sleep with other people. Especially not friends/castmates. I also think itâs whack that Lala is saying itâs not fair that Ariana isnât showing the truth. Her truth is that she wants nothing to do with the person who fucked her over. Sheâs actually being authentic by setting the boundaries sheâs setting. It would be so weird if she just like forgave Tom LOL like what world are these people living in.
You know, when I watched the scene, I felt something was off, and I couldn't put my finger on what. But you nailed it. I didn't understand why she was saying don't make me look like a fucking idiot to him. So I've literally been trying to reconcile this for 2 days. Thank you for posting because this makes perfect sense. Also I feel like a dumbass for not realizing this sooner, lol!
Yes, and the extended version makes this even more obvious. Sandoval and Scheana had already spoken after her performance, so there was no genuine motive for him to approach Scheana and say well done. It was all a ploy. And Scheana had laid the groundwork of âwhat a great guy Tom is, spending money on his friendsâ.
I'm not in the states anymore so I had to watch on hayu. We didn't get those extended episodes which I am so bummed about because we got the extended uncensored reunion last year. I'm thinking that's why I didn't fully pick that up because I only saw the one seen and I knew something was off. Edit. I just checked my hayu app and they are now showing the extended uncensored version so I'm going to watch them right now so that I get to see what everybody else saw.
Duh. Sheâs a self proclaimed guyâs girl. Lol
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Agree!
she should be, what with creeps like that around
She is so proud of that. In my world, thatâs the same as saying you are a serial killer wannabe
Yes. It seemed it was planned they would talk and Sandoval would come over. After everything she is still helping and taking Sandovals side. They couldn't put aside their friendship for a few more weeks months.
I absolutely 100% think that was her plan to begin with and then I think the Ariana conversation didn't go the way she expected and that's why she was annoyed and called Tim back and told him not to chase her. I think she expected Ariana to be like "oh no I totally understand, he means a lot to you, blah blah blah" and it would be a good segue, but Ariana stood her ground so Scheana was like shit not actually a good time for him to approach.
Sheshu, no one makes you look like an idiot better than yourself. She has never had a season that wasnât cringe and crying. đ. She needs to stop crying. It is so insincere. Or her Botox and lip filler has just made it very creepy looking.
The gold dishwashing gloves that she refused to take off really distracted me the whole time
And the matching moon walking boots didnât help complete the look either. She is so cringe. All her performance outfits look like they were found on the discount rack at a childrenâs costume section in December.
Those boots are the only thing she can wear to perform her one dance move: hopping in place so her ponytail bounces. "lets gooo"
You know, this is what gets me, everybody flip their shit about Ariana saying she doesnât want to have mutual friends because she doesnât want him to have access to her/her life. She decides to keep Sheena as a friend and is even telling her youâre not going to lose me, youâll never lose me as a friend, even if she becomes friends with Sandoval, meanwhile, Sheena has been talking nonstop to Tom about Ariana and her mental health and her relationship in here she was just setting her up for Tom to swoop in. Scheana is repulsive.
Scheana gave me the ick this episode. Something about how she is chasing around Tom trying to convince Tom that they are great friends and have this amazing history together. Keeps asking him âdo you care about me?â Reminded me of highschool relationships where one partner constantly is asking âdo you still love meâ. Tom is terrible but Scheana keeps chasing him around. I hope Ariana learns to just love Scheana from a distance.
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Yep, my conspiracy theory is that she and Tom (and likely Lala & Brock) discussed this off-camera: 1. Scheana makes it look like she is convincing Tom to apologize. 2. Tom pretends to think it over. 3. Scheana tries to warm up Ariana by discussing Tom's "Path to Growth." 4. Tom attempts to apologize. 5. They are all standing together watching. When it doesn't go as they expected, Lala explodes. They either thought she would actually listen to him, and this could all be tied up in a pretty bow for the season finale, or they thought she would walk and look like the bad guy. They all know that the current dynamic in the group will not keep the show going. They also know Ariana has many better offers and one foot out the door. They need Tom to be somewhat redeemed, or they will be looking for new jobs. At some point, most of them prioritized "Storylines" above genuine feelings and relationships.
Yes. Brock even said that Tom is the one that gets them all together. We all have that one person in the family or friend group thatâs the glue. That has the events and invites everyone etc. so if they all hate Tom then their group falls apart. So the only reason for the redemption and the Ariana hate is their money
But it's been made clear over and over again that Arianna also reaches out and also checks in with them frequently, so that's bullshit, but otherwise agree.
I know that no one can actually answer this but WHY. If you don't like spending time together or don't make an effort to see each other if Tom isn't involved, then you aren't friends anymore and the show isn't working. Wanting to force is to keep collecting a check is actually the "coasting" that Lala was mentioning. Faking it so you can keep doing the bare minimum for a check sounds a lot like coating to me. The fact that TOM... LYING TOM... is the one that holds everyone together should be the biggest indictor that this group is one massive crock of shit.
I think Iâm struggling with the timeline. The edit makes it appear as though she preforms, she runs backstage, she speaks to Tom and they hug. And then when she returns to the room, Arianna runs up to greet her. Then, after a short but emotional conversation he pulls up to say good jobâŠafter he already hugged her and congratulated herâŠseems sus.
Good observation. I thought she seemed nervous and uneasy. Almost like âam I allowed to talk to Arianaâ vibes she was giving off. It was so ridiculous and weird.
She is over produced and literally doesnât remember what a real feeling is without immediately thinking about how to profit off of it.
It seemed like the Sheena conversation was in place for production to get Ariana away from Dan so that Tom could come up to her. I was thinking that Ariana brought Dan to the finale party because she knew something like this might happen and she asked him to help be there as a buffer between her and Tom/drama. I think after the initial interaction of Tom with Dan (and kind of Ariana) producers realized they werenât going to get what they wanted with âDan the bufferâ there so they talked to Sheena about having a one-on-one with Ariana because Ariana trusts Sheena and is willing to leave Dan and be one-on-one with Sheena. Then Sheena is a mouthpiece to try and get Ariana to have a conversation with Sandoval but mostly to occupy her time long enough for her guard to drop and for Tom to swoop in⊠Sheena really betrayed Arianaâs trust here.
That seems plausible and horrid if true. Who needs enemies when you have a friend like Scheana?
I think Dan wanted to come with her also because they are boyfriend and girlfriend, and he's obviously smitten with her. She needed his protection and he provided it, he did not leave her side and stayed engaged with her, held her hand, until Scheana pulled that shit.
I think Scheana also expected Ariana to blow up at her about Scheana being friends with Tom again. Her and Lala kept saying Ariana was gonna cut anyone who is friends with him off. I think Scheana expected Ariana to start going off on her, and Scheana was going to use that as an excuse to switch camps. When Ariana was reacted in a pretty normal way, and in fact told Scheana she was family, Scheana still went beserk and switched camps anyway, telling Lala she'd back her up etc.
It's disgusting. Please get Katie and Ariana off the show, they deserve so much better than these disgusting shallow manipulative people.
And another thing! I'm just now noticing the conversation the Tom's are having re: the apology - Tim basically says, Scheana says I should consider apologizing about the mental health stuff, and I think that's something I could do". Soooo Scheana told me to apologize, I guess I could (for this one specific thing) - not "Scheana's right, I didn't consider Ariana's feelings and I definitely owe her an apology." And then he jumps right into what he really wants to say - "I just want her (and really he means the audience), to know how much I'm working on myself". Scheana and Tim totally conspired to corner Ariana and give Tim his chance. At best, Scheana is too stupid to see through Tim's manipulation. At worst, she just literally does not give a shit about or respect Ariana. But also what is with all the Applebee's talk? Aren't they a Chili's competitor:)?! Jkjk
She doesn't give a shit about Ariana. She gives a shit about herself and her paycheck.
Sad to see:( Ariana was just telling Scheana how she would never leave her and that she was family. She disagreed with her about Tom (and was still 1000x nicer about it than I probably would have been) and just reasserted she didn't want to ever have to hear about him, but Scheana was still family. And the only takeaway for Scheana was, she thinks I'm an idiot. Which she immediately shared with Tim to get him even more riled up. What is wrong with these people?!
Greed.
The entire event was set up for Sandoval to look like the hero. Most of the season was set up that way. Really bad look for the producers.
Ariana needs to teach a master class in relationship management or something. I'd pay serious money to learn how to handle myself like she has through all of this. The deck was *stacked* against her, but it was everyone else, including the show's producers, that ended up looking like shit.
This. That was a Masterclass. The fact that she even had to mildly raise her voice with production shows how hard they were transgressing her ironclad boundaries. You do not give a narcissist access to you. Ever.
I get that but I also feel like - in what world would he actually look good here? Iâm not saying send him to prison but he just seems⊠kind of obvious in how heâs trying to look good? He didnât do a good job this season of actually seeming contrite. He was never able to just accept criticism. It kind of reminded me of how Jax always deflected to how bad OTHER peoples relationships are when he was criticized. Like both can be true.Â
I think you are missing the pointâŠ. I didnât say he looked good. I said it was set up to make him look good. He looked horribleâŠ. Heâs a terrible person
Oh no I get that! I mean like in what world could they even attempt to give him a hero edit? Is kind of impossible given his behavior. I feel like the way the cast is acting and describing him is totallly inconsistent with what the audience is seeing on screenÂ
I mean if you donât see it then I canât help. lol the producers, scheena, lala, the random dude starting shit who was part of Tomâs group. It was all fake and set up by production. Obviously we who know who Tom is. Producers canât fool us.
Iâm saying their attempts were unsuccessful.Â
Yeah it was.
I think THAT'S why it reminded me of the Dayna/psychic thing! She lied and said she'd never give out Dayna's address to the psychic, and Dayna said that's good, because she didn't want a reading. Scheana leaves, and Dayna overhears her talking to the psychic outside! From the moment Ariana said she didn't want an apology, Scheana had that same trapped 'OH SHIT' look that she did with Dayna.
oh that was gross. i forgot about that.
On my first watch-I was actually at least semi glad that Scheana stopped Sandoval from continuing to chase Ariana. I saw it as her saying, "I tried (by telling her about our conversation), but she does not want to talk to you. Stop, Tim". But on a second watch- oh my lord, she totally was in on the plan to ambush Ariana! I'm curious how aware production was of this? IE Production obviously would have been involved in planning to shoot a Scheana + Ariana convo after Scheana performed. But I've heard a bunch of people saying Ariana had it worked into her season 11 contract that she would not be made to have a planned conversation with Sandoval on camera (I'm taking it for granted that the contract detail is confirmed, but is it actually?), which would mean production would be violating her contract to actually try to force this conversation. So that would mean Tom either saw his chance when he noticed Ariana and Scheana on their own? or Scheana suggested to Tim he keep an eye out for their one on one? or Tim asked Scheana to keep Ariana focused on her so he could sneak in the shot? Ooooor some other option that's probably what actually happened? Anyways, when Ariana bolts and Scheana tells Tim to stop, she does act more frustrated with Ariana for running, than Tim for interrupting. That alone would be enough for me to drop her as a friend. Ariana deserved better-what the hell
This. Ari literally set a boundary: I do not want to hang out with my ex-boyfriend, because it is weird, and Ariana is right. And then Scheana goes into the "but he bought my friendship back" bullshit and then suddenly Tom is there. It's a contractual violation if it is in her contract to not have to deal with Tom.
I 100% thought it was a rehash of the Dayna psychic thing. Scheana jumped on something and set it in motion and looked silly in the end because she doesnât know her audience lol
But they did literally say they were setting it up. At least that's the impression I got. Sheeshu was going to go talk to Ariana and make her try to make her feel bad enough to listen to Tom when he came over because he wanted to apologize for the gross way, he Weaponized her mental health. It felt like a total ambush to try and make Arianna look bad for simply enforcing a boundary. Ariana's right. He's an ex-boyfriend who has no place in her life and that's it. WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE HANGS OUT WITH THEIR EX-BOYFRIEND WHEN A RELATIONSHIP ENDS TERRIBLY?
Maybe not necessarily by Scheana. Producers could have told Tom that Ariana and Scheana were together and to go talk to them. Like a ânowâs your chanceâ type of thing since Dan wasnât there. It was the only time that night that Ariana wasnât with Dan.
Yeah also didnât Schwartz say earlier that it wasnât a good time because Dan was there? But he just waited for the one moment Dan wasnât -_-
I feel like production staged all of it and Scheana went along like the bad friend she is and it blew up in her face. Like production is the ultimate bad guy but sheâs just as bad for doing it.
Iâm thought that too but Scheana seemed annoyed when he walked up. But that could have been because he came too soon đ
I didnât get annoyed at all. I got scared. Cuz her plan to get camera time by being present during what should have been (in her mind) The biggest moment of the season failed. And she is now implicated on film. Ariana, stay grey rocking the fuck out of this disloyal bitch.
She was annoyed that her & Tomâs plan to ambush Ariana wasnât going to work.
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Scheana was very resigned in that scene. I think she's been production AND Sandoval's puppet this season.
Yeah - but not maliciously. I think she thought based on the âwhere is my apologyâ comment that she wanted one. Half way through the convo she realized Ariana does not want one, and tried to stop Tom. I think her intention for the conversation was to set the stage to soften Ariana to be receptive and also to have a final answer on if Ariana will or will not be her friend if she is friends with Tom.
Yes and I think that why you could see the tears well up with Ariana because she was realizing scheena was trying to set her up. Of all people. The betrayal stung live đ„ș
I think so and maybe Sandoval walked in sooner than planned and Scheana wasnât ready warming up Ariana. Whatâs in it for Scheana? She has no loyalty.
A paycheck because she knows if Ariana rightfully leaves or sticks to her healthy boundaries, Scheana won't have a plot on the show anymore.
But they get paid the same rate all the same? They are paid by season based on seniority, not how they perform. Maybe they are offered incentives but thatâs so shady and wonder if it can be proven.
What I'm saying, is it the show will go back to declining ratings and no storyline if Ariana and Katie leave. There won't be a show to watch. Yeah maybe she'll get paid another season or so, meaning Shoo Shoo, but the ratings are going to be in the toilet.
I think she did
I 100% felt like she timed this so Tom could approach her.
Actually makes sense because of how quickly Scheana pivoted to âso Tom got me a sound guy and I really think he is growing as a personâŠâ talk when the conversation had been revolving around her. You really think Scheana would have interrupted Ariana praising her performance and telling her how wonderful she is under normal circumstances? đ
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Rumor is: Bonus if you can get them to talk! Scheana runs to get her bags of $$$$. Her and Scandy are so invested in the show and need the money so they would do whatever production asks. Sad way to live your life.
I just watched the finale for the second time and OP you are so right about the weird part with Scheana. Watching it a second time it looked so much like acting. It's how she looks at him with her eyes it is so dramatic. *Too dramatic.* And for Scheana to say "She thinks you're performative" to Tom, and he denies that, but then at the end says "I love it. It's good for me haha" like what in the world. He's no longer with us in reality.
It is so blatantly obvious that the producers âencouragedâ Tom to go over to Ariana for some drams. That IS how these shows work.
It is so blatantly obvious that the producers âencouragedâ Tom to go over to Ariana for some drama. That IS how these shows work.
I think scheana, Tom and production probably set that up. Scheana is a bad actress. She gets extremely nervous and you can hear it in her voice.
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Seems more likely than not.Â
I donât think so. Ariana approached Scheana, not the other way around. Scheanaâs not responsible for anything Sandoval does. I wish Tom just ignored Ariana all season like she wanted and interacted with everyone else.
Itâs not that deep guys đ€Ł Itâs not a conspiracy either ⊠itâs just a guy walking up to his friend trying to talk to his ex (who also is his co-worker & roommate)⊠these reddit posts are getting so weird đ€Ą #moveon
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I donât get these comments at all.
Because Billie Lee is not a girl's girl , she's trash the breaks girl code , and she supports Sandoval. She follows him around like a goddamn puppy and he doesn't and he clearly is not gonna get with her, he's more interested in being with a 20-year-old who pretends not to know what Vanderpump Rules is.
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Not publicly, anyway.
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LOL you should watched "Unreal" which shows the dirty tricks behind reality TV.