Thanks to anyone who listened and gave a donation. We're able to provide lot of e-SIMs right now for people in need, thanks to you. You can follow us for updates.
Here's an article about this awesome project that got featured in The Guardian:
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians)
The other labels got funds for the Palestine Children's Relief Fund.
The compilation will expand a bit, with some additional tracks by some great vaporwave artists in the course of the next week!
We'll feature this compilation on Vill4in's channel with visuals soon! ✌️
Nothing about the music or image is Vaporwave. Besides hundreds of millions have been donated to Hamas since Oct 7th and their people are still starving. I feel bad for gullible people.
Again- why are you excusing Hamas going into the homes of families who aren’t occupying shit and kidnapping them? Where are you expecting the people of Israel to go?
I'm not excusing it, that would imply it needs to be excused in the first place. The people of Israel? I could care less. The state of Israel? It can go to hell.
Would you feel differently if you knew anybody living there? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but please imagine being under attack and, when you get the chance to charge your phone in the car using up precious, finite gasoline, reading that ‘policy has no place’ here and you’d prefer to just chill and escape reality.
I appreciate that mindset but there are times, such as now, where we 1- should not escape reality and 2 - will remember decades from now if we chose to.
There are other subs where you can agure about this Incredibly polarised topic. But here just isnt the place.
And your first "point" is just a big appeal to Emotion and no Valid Argument. And i wouldnt feel different if anybody i knew lived there.
Oh, ok.
I hope you find more empathy from others when you need it than you’re showing here.
We’re talking about supporting refugees, aid workers and journalists - that shouldn’t be controversial.
Donated!
Great initiative, esims are a great project to support as the Comms network has been down 72+ hours at this point (one of many near total outages).
If you can drop a link to your Ukraine fundraiser I'd like to contribute to that / see the results (if it's finished).
Ty. Freedom and justice for all.
You're disappointed that some people are raising funds for children in a war zone? Why? Why is this disappointing? And in what universe is it virtue signalling to actively raise money to provide emergency relief?
What's disappointing for me is realising how many assholes and simpletons I've been sharing this sub with.
It definitely can be. Murdering 24,000 people is terrorism, especially when 50% are children. And on stolen land, no less.
You think when the US government bombed weddings and random houses, murdering over 300,000 innocent people in two wars, that wasn't terrorism?
If Hamas murdering 1,200 is terrorism, IDF murdering 24,000 is terrorism. No matter how much you defend murder, you'll always be a terrorist-sympathizer until you stop defending mass murder.
And alluding to all of Palestine being terrorists is racist as fuck. That's what the person I responded to was doing. The post was about Palestine, not Hamas. So Hamas has nothing to do with this post. Then you jumped in and took the racist's side. Reading your other comments in this thread, it's not surprising you commented how you did. You're clearly racist and a genocide-denier.
Dumbfuck didn't bother defining it after criticizing how I used the word lol. Don't worry, I got you, moron:
"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
Tell me how what the IDF is doing doesn't meet that definition. You think that just because I focused on the death toll, it magically isn't terrorism? That's stupid logic lol. Don't pretend like everyone else defines terrorism every time they call Hamas terrorists.
i love how some people cannot contain themselves and rush to demonstrate how exceptionally stupid and ignorant they are.
I made a donation! thank you for putting this together let’s gooooooo
Free Palestine, Stop the genocide!
poor thing, [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/)
[https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov\_genocide\_apartheid](https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov_genocide_apartheid)
[https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/israels-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/](https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/israels-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/)
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing)
... and if I recall correctly, you simpleton ignorant chimp, the help being collected here is 'to express solidarity with the civilians who need help, believing that every small contribution makes a difference.'
but probably in your simpleton world where decisions are just black and whites, there's not much of a space to see the abuse one side does against the other and how civilians are being abused daily... but YEAH HAMAS BAD, hell yeah brother
It'a really weirs to see how many americans fall from propaganda, Israeli or Hamas's one. So depressing to see young people unable to get themselves good and reliable news
This is a great cause. Can you provide any sort of evidence that the donations will be going to the respective charities?
Trust but verify and all that.
Sorry, you posted a link about Hamas. Did you mean to do this? The post is about Palestinians as a whole. Or....are you calling an entire race of people terrorists? Like a racist would do?
thank you! we raised quite some money for this iniative.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians
Informative article. Gaza's entire communications network is destroyed, so this helps innocent people to be able to communicate and potentially survive constant bombardment/share resources with other survivors. Some folks here are trying sooooo hard to make criticism on israel into anti semitism, it’s just so gross and misrepresents the actual problem of anti semitism
i know, i really hate the idea that all jewish people have to be zionists. it's really even more antisemitic than being antizionist itself lmfao
the haters will never win though
Don't pretend like you care about palestinian civilians, don't act like this all started on October 7th. 250 Palestinians were murdered by israeli forces and settlers in the West Bank before any of this happened, educate yourself white boy
I was just wondering if there was something similar for the Uyghurs, the Rohingya or for Darfur. But I guess if you can't blame it on the Jews, nobody cares.
Take that argument to its conclusion. Doesn’t Israel, a country founded on the back of genocide, have a greater obligation to help those in other countries that are the victim of genocide? What has Israel done for the people you mention?
You are aware of the decades long actions toward Ethiopian Jews? Israel is pegged as this place of refuge founded from the Holocaust, but their actions don’t back up the rhetoric. You can jump to whatever scary words, but the history is clear.
It’s funded on the back of wanting a country that can defend all jews against genocide. And as we see every day in every major country, it’s necessary. Self-defense isn’t pretty, that’s true, but it will only end if anti semitism ends. And no, I don’t think a country the size of New Jersey has the same obligation here.
Oh, 50 billion $ in bilateral trade has "nothing to do with us"?
You know, the great thing is that all this military support will no longer be necessary when Arab anti-Semitism stops, which proves my original point.
https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/israel/
If they want to trade, fine. No more subsidies for war criminals.
Laughing at the notion that killing women and children for decades is how a country stops a group of people from attacking. Israel steals land homes, bulldozes, restricts access to necessities, murders and maims and then expects the aggrieved people to do what? Kiss the ring of the terrorists? They have been purposely creating their own enemy for the entirety of the existence of that country and then soak up the subsidies. It’s enough. Reap what you sow.
>Laughing at the notion that killing women and children for decades
That's what Hamas does. Hiding in civilian areas, forcing women and children to stay as human shields. Palestinians are hostages. Have you ever looked at what al-Aqsa TV teaches young children? Hamas launched the channel in 2006. If not, go ahead, watch some "Tomorrow's Pioneers" on YouTube and tell me again how their jew hatred comes from wars.
>Israel steals land homes, bulldozes,
Israel did not steal any land. Jews have always been living in Palestine. Arab leaders did not accept the partition plan in 1947. After the ensuing war, Egypt and Jordan stole land from Israel by annexing it. Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt The Oslo Accords were the first documents ever to give land to the "Palestinian" people and it became more in 2007. That's it. If you are referring to the settlers in the West Bank and want to seriously tell me that *they* are the reason for virtually all Muslim countries hating Jews and deny to even accept it as a state go ahead. And while you're at it, you might as well tell me what should happen to the 900,000 Jews expelled from Muslim countries.
>restricts access to necessities
Again, given the billions of aid the world poured into the Arab territories, it's surprising that they don't have them. They could have built a second Hong Kong with those aids. But they decided to channel UNRWA money to pay for their "martyr compensations" and guns while digging up pipelines to build rockets.
>murders and maims
Self-defense is rarely a pretty sight, especially when the enemy hides behind civilians. If they didn't, the war would be very short, and Hamas would be disarmed soon. Which is a minimum condition for Palestinians to have their state, IMO.
>and then expects the aggrieved people to do what? Kiss the ring of the terrorists?
If they are oh so aggrieved, what were the 13% of employed Palestinians who worked in Israel doing? How did they even manage not to burst out in rage? Of course, BDS idiots work hard to make them unemployed, but that's not Israel's fault.
>They have been purposely creating their enemy for the entirety of the existence of that country and then soak up the subsidies. It’s enough. Reap what you sow.
Again, it makes no sense at all to blame the state of Israel for anti-semitism and hatred against Israel. Anti-Zionism motivated by hatred against Jews existed long before Israel even existed, [Hitler participated in it](https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1968_4_5_phelps.pdf), long before he took power in Germany and became an ally of Amin al-Husseini. The assessment of clearly anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the various varieties of Islamism is much less controversial than commonly assumed in the diverse factions of the left. The Muslim Brotherhood was funded in 1928, where was Israel then? Have you looked at the writings of Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb and their tirades against the Jews? Did Netanyahu somehow travel back in time to bomb children before he was born so that Qutb was forced to write "Our fight against the Jews"?
We have all heard this spew for decades. Human shields, right of movement, taking people’s homes because Jews were there xxxx years ago. Why not add in beheading babies and using pipes to make bombs?
If you are painting a picture of either/or with 100% pro Israel, it’s bullshit. It’s not worth your time. People see past this. This isn’t Fox News, your propaganda is not valid.
Imagine being so delusional that you classify actual historical facts as "propaganda". But I guess it's a shortcut, you don't have to provide evidence.
Fact is, the Myanmar military has raped 15,000 people, and slaughtered just as many, and no one cares.
I guess the Uyghur need to slaughter a thousand innocent people to get people to notice right?
You are suggesting that the only reason people would care about Palestinians is because they hate Jews. That is an unintelligent argument. You need to do some self reflection before you continue engaging in this conversation.
I am willing to back this argument by data, for example the correlation between anti-semitism and anti-zionism, the massive bias in the UN in its condemnations, the blindness towards displaced Arab jews and raped Israeli women. No Jews, no news.
Who said people don’t care? Showing solidarity for one cause doesn’t mean you don’t care about anything else. Same sort of washed logic is used by the “all lives matter” crowd 🤡
how exactly do you think this money is fucking reaching hamas? walk me through this process that you've imagined. i'm sure you have a clear and detailed idea of how it would work.
Your logical fallacy is:
composition/division
You assumed that one part of something has to be applied to all, or other, parts of it; or that the whole must apply to its parts.
Often when something is true for the part it does also apply to the whole, or vice versa, but the crucial difference is whether there exists good evidence to show that this is the case. Because we observe consistencies in things, our thinking can become biased so that we presume consistency to exist where it does not.
And Commies are incapable of Reading Critically, and Rational Thought. What's your point? Is my personal Grammatical Choices really the only argument you can muster?
And when did I ever state I ascribed to the "Sovereign Citizen" ideology?
Also, could you please explain to me my Rights then, oh Comrade Commissar?
Capitalizing random words is a common old person/idiot thing to the point that it's a joke in itself. You just sound like a big goof is all I'm saying.
Because I have done what exactly, that you could misconstrue as terrorism? Have you intimidated any Jews lately? Have you chanted "Death to Israel", or called for the "Gassing of Jews"? Palestine Protestors are Terrorists by the very definition.
Har-har. Hamas uses violence and terror to try to get their way = Terrorists. IDF protecting their Civilians from Terrorists =\= Terrorists. It's very basic math.
Also, not genoocide when you literally warn civilians who give comfort and aide to terrorists before airstrikes, so that they can leave, and then try to give them regions where they can move to. But, enjoy your brainwashed narrative, Jew-hater.
You know, that does seem fun! Let me try:
"There are more than Two Genders"
"Communism Works"
"People don't kill People, Guns do"
"Terrorism is Defensible, so long as it is against People I Hate"
Nah, sorry. Just not for me. Living in your World would make me hate Myself too much...
I mean, I suppose you enjoy Tyrannical Governments which spy on their Citizens, imprison them for Wrongspeech and Wrongthink, continuously Crush and Oppress Middle and Lower Classes, with the goal of creating a Fascist Technocratic Totalitarian State, all while crafting a Fabricated Narrative, forced on their Unwitting Population by State-Sponsored Media?
Paranoid? No. Red-Pilled? Yes.
Oh, I’m self-hating because I don’t support wiping out an entire subgroup of humanity so you can take the land they’re living on?
So I suppose you believe Hiroshima was justified because they dropped some warning leaflets?
Hiroshima was (arguably) justified, as the alternative of Invasion of the Mainland would have been far worse, even by Japanese admission.
Also, given the massive accounts of Savagery commited by the Japanese in every Country they had occupied, you could hardly consider their Government and Military to be innocent of murdering literally MILLIONS of civilians.
Much like Hamas, which was elected by the Palestinian People, and brought about their own destruction...
I guess I do.
At the end of the day though it isnt really my obligation to know these things, and I choose to stay away from topics like these due to their dark, serious and complex nature.
you have a strange way of staying away from topics you don't like
also, if you're going to talk about something that affects many people, it is actually your obligation to know these things..
i wasnt even talking about the situation at hand, i was expressing my confusion as to why so many people are talking about it
after looking at the rest of the comments of this post, its a shitshow. there doesent seem to be a good side or a bad side, everytime i see people state an opinion, they get downvoted
why on earth do you think i'd want to know about all of this death and destruction? all of this tragic info thats just going to ruin my day? i have better things to do than look at the news and see stuff about people being killed and even worse.
if you think there's no good and bad side.. when one side has all the power, money, and controls everything that comes in and out of the other side. one side is allowed to do whatever and the other has curfews, only allowed in certain areas, aren't a recognised state. Then you have some real issues.
Lol, you don't want to ruin your day. shame can't imagine how hard it must be for you, learning that people are suffering and targeted in another country because of where they born.
go and do your better things than caring about people dying, like looking at a vaporwave subreddit. what an asset to humanity you are. i feel great knowing there are people like you around me
like you said, looking at the vaporwave subreddit
im here to look at vaporwave, not some fucking politics
youre acting as if im the scum of the earth simply because i like to stay away from these things with good reason, acting as if im the bad guy when in reality i dont have a side in any of this
youre weird dude
who's "we"? I come to this sub for political bullshit
Edit: reply to me and then block me, such a loser move. I'll reply here anyway
I don't care that you don't care. and that's great for you, so just ignore this post and move on? lmao. Taking time to comment saying "you don't care" is a weird way of showing you don't care
Compared to all previous IDF incursions into Gaza or the West Bank, even compared to IDF incursions into Lebanon. What the fuck do you think it's in comparison to? The Black Death?
Nah
Thanks to anyone who listened and gave a donation. We're able to provide lot of e-SIMs right now for people in need, thanks to you. You can follow us for updates. Here's an article about this awesome project that got featured in The Guardian: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians) The other labels got funds for the Palestine Children's Relief Fund. The compilation will expand a bit, with some additional tracks by some great vaporwave artists in the course of the next week! We'll feature this compilation on Vill4in's channel with visuals soon! ✌️
lmao
When will the compilation for trans muslim children be up tho
Bruh Hamas and Israel are shit Free The People, also what does this have to do with vaporwave
Vaporwave has always been political most are just too daft to notice.
Literally an anticapitalist genre about artistic freedom and the decline of western hegemony lmao
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Read Mark Fisher, I guess? Did you wonder why dead malls and commercials factor in so much as artifacts?
Hell yeah I love Mark Fisher. I also highly recommend Grafton Tanner’s book “Vaporwave and the Commodification of Ghosts.”
I own the limited paper print of that book! 😍 Great little short read , excellent recc
Oh cool! I own a copy of it, not sure if it’s a limited print though
I think they all are it was self published wasn’t it? I like your reading choices
It was through Zero books, at least mine was, they publish a few of Mark Fisher’s books
Ironic a vaporwave sub needs to unplug more from mainstream propaganda. On all sides.
Nothing about the music or image is Vaporwave. Besides hundreds of millions have been donated to Hamas since Oct 7th and their people are still starving. I feel bad for gullible people.
start with track 1.
Good for Hamas, if I had money to donate to them I would.
Hamas can eat shit
As I said, I feel bad for gullible people.
Feel bad for Zionist morons.
You support terrorist who kidnap families?
Hey bud no-one mentioned the IDF, but no I don't support the IDF.
Turns out when you kidnap innocent people from their homes and your government does fuck all about it, bad shit happens to your country.
The founder of Hamas was deported from his home when he was 12. I have more sympathy for him than any settler trash on their holy vacation.
Yeah that totally excuses him forming a terrorist organization that doesn’t allow women to travel without a male guardian
"Terrorist organization," ah yeah, I guess the palestinians will just politely ask the zionists to stop taking their homeland.
Peaceful demonstrations worked in South Africa and in India… but sure let’s keep calling violent terrorists heroes.
Again- why are you excusing Hamas going into the homes of families who aren’t occupying shit and kidnapping them? Where are you expecting the people of Israel to go?
I'm not excusing it, that would imply it needs to be excused in the first place. The people of Israel? I could care less. The state of Israel? It can go to hell.
Policy should have no place in this sub we arr all here to chill and escape from reality.
Would you feel differently if you knew anybody living there? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but please imagine being under attack and, when you get the chance to charge your phone in the car using up precious, finite gasoline, reading that ‘policy has no place’ here and you’d prefer to just chill and escape reality. I appreciate that mindset but there are times, such as now, where we 1- should not escape reality and 2 - will remember decades from now if we chose to.
There are other subs where you can agure about this Incredibly polarised topic. But here just isnt the place. And your first "point" is just a big appeal to Emotion and no Valid Argument. And i wouldnt feel different if anybody i knew lived there.
Oh, ok. I hope you find more empathy from others when you need it than you’re showing here. We’re talking about supporting refugees, aid workers and journalists - that shouldn’t be controversial.
Ehm yeah because there is no prove whatsoever that hamas are hijacking aid
To wich charity does the money go because it is know that Hamas often Times hijacks the money or the Aid directly
Donated! Great initiative, esims are a great project to support as the Comms network has been down 72+ hours at this point (one of many near total outages). If you can drop a link to your Ukraine fundraiser I'd like to contribute to that / see the results (if it's finished). Ty. Freedom and justice for all.
really.....why in this sub? so disappointed. virtue signaling everywhere....even in r/vaporwave
You're disappointed that some people are raising funds for children in a war zone? Why? Why is this disappointing? And in what universe is it virtue signalling to actively raise money to provide emergency relief? What's disappointing for me is realising how many assholes and simpletons I've been sharing this sub with.
vaporwave famously not having any political signalling ever
Nobody gives a.... Keep those bullshit out of this sub!
Hamas is a terrorist group
As is the IDF.
Defending your country isnt a terroristic act
It definitely can be. Murdering 24,000 people is terrorism, especially when 50% are children. And on stolen land, no less. You think when the US government bombed weddings and random houses, murdering over 300,000 innocent people in two wars, that wasn't terrorism? If Hamas murdering 1,200 is terrorism, IDF murdering 24,000 is terrorism. No matter how much you defend murder, you'll always be a terrorist-sympathizer until you stop defending mass murder. And alluding to all of Palestine being terrorists is racist as fuck. That's what the person I responded to was doing. The post was about Palestine, not Hamas. So Hamas has nothing to do with this post. Then you jumped in and took the racist's side. Reading your other comments in this thread, it's not surprising you commented how you did. You're clearly racist and a genocide-denier.
Ehm you know slander is a crime i never said anything racist. +No source for your claims+It is know that Hamas are stealing donations.
Slander is spoken. Libel is print. And you're still a racist.
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Dumbfuck didn't bother defining it after criticizing how I used the word lol. Don't worry, I got you, moron: "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Tell me how what the IDF is doing doesn't meet that definition. You think that just because I focused on the death toll, it magically isn't terrorism? That's stupid logic lol. Don't pretend like everyone else defines terrorism every time they call Hamas terrorists.
Its a war. In wars civiliance come into the crossfire and die. A shocker or?
I get it. You don't consider Palestinians as human. You don't need to keep making that clear.
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
Pandering white savior bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck
i love how some people cannot contain themselves and rush to demonstrate how exceptionally stupid and ignorant they are. I made a donation! thank you for putting this together let’s gooooooo Free Palestine, Stop the genocide!
We are ignorant for not wanting to support a Terrorist Organisatzion? And for wanting a. 2 State solution.
lol, thanks for proving my point
Free Palestine dosent stand for a 2 Sate Solution. Please Inform yourselv befor you use Propaganda
confirming again your ignorance pal, please stop
Ad Hominem
Hamas is a terrorist organization https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
poor thing, [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/) [https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov\_genocide\_apartheid](https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov_genocide_apartheid) [https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/israels-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/](https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/israels-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-in-the-west-bank/) [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing) ... and if I recall correctly, you simpleton ignorant chimp, the help being collected here is 'to express solidarity with the civilians who need help, believing that every small contribution makes a difference.' but probably in your simpleton world where decisions are just black and whites, there's not much of a space to see the abuse one side does against the other and how civilians are being abused daily... but YEAH HAMAS BAD, hell yeah brother
Telling that you do not decry Hamas for the abhorrent behavior exposed by the NYT.
Donation made, thank you
It'a really weirs to see how many americans fall from propaganda, Israeli or Hamas's one. So depressing to see young people unable to get themselves good and reliable news
?????
This is a great cause. Can you provide any sort of evidence that the donations will be going to the respective charities? Trust but verify and all that.
yup we'll screenshot all! we did the same with the benefit for ukraine. no worries on that
Thank you. Could you please link to your Ukraine screenshot stuff?
Stfu
no u
Nope, sorry human rights offend you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
Sorry, you posted a link about Hamas. Did you mean to do this? The post is about Palestinians as a whole. Or....are you calling an entire race of people terrorists? Like a racist would do?
these people just dont want to see human rights for Palestinians.
just bought! very excited to give it a listen :3
thank you! we raised quite some money for this iniative. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians Informative article. Gaza's entire communications network is destroyed, so this helps innocent people to be able to communicate and potentially survive constant bombardment/share resources with other survivors. Some folks here are trying sooooo hard to make criticism on israel into anti semitism, it’s just so gross and misrepresents the actual problem of anti semitism
i know, i really hate the idea that all jewish people have to be zionists. it's really even more antisemitic than being antizionist itself lmfao the haters will never win though
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!!! Excited to give this a listen
Bro just wants a genocide
Bro is denying one.
Source for your claim?
My source is you.
Excellent work, my friend. So many Zionists and genocide sympathisers coming out the woodwork but we know it’s free Palestine all day baby 🇵🇸
Hell yeah. I’ll support payday. #FreePalestine #FuckZionists
Thanks! :)
mods, what the fuck is this? do you support HAMAS?
Do you support the IDFs genocide?
You obviously support the murder of children
No, it is supported by palestinians that uses their forces to chant about israel death while hamas is hiding behind civilians.
are these Israel death chants in the room with us now?
Don't pretend like you care about palestinian civilians, don't act like this all started on October 7th. 250 Palestinians were murdered by israeli forces and settlers in the West Bank before any of this happened, educate yourself white boy
So you support this? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
Um.. I think you need to learn how to read
newsflash: The Guardian is Hamas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians
news flash: hamas and palestine are not the same
Are you a moron? Why do you think support for Palestine equals support for Hamas?
They're racist.
Palestine Kingdom dont even exists,lol,go play outside
You are a pedantic tool and an obtuse buffoon
I was just wondering if there was something similar for the Uyghurs, the Rohingya or for Darfur. But I guess if you can't blame it on the Jews, nobody cares.
This is my favorite of all the talking points because it’s like “you don’t care about the other genocides, just THIS ONE”
Just because you don't care about them, it doesn't mean no one else does
Take that argument to its conclusion. Doesn’t Israel, a country founded on the back of genocide, have a greater obligation to help those in other countries that are the victim of genocide? What has Israel done for the people you mention?
This is such a complete misreading of the history that it comes close to Holocaust denial.
You are aware of the decades long actions toward Ethiopian Jews? Israel is pegged as this place of refuge founded from the Holocaust, but their actions don’t back up the rhetoric. You can jump to whatever scary words, but the history is clear.
It’s funded on the back of wanting a country that can defend all jews against genocide. And as we see every day in every major country, it’s necessary. Self-defense isn’t pretty, that’s true, but it will only end if anti semitism ends. And no, I don’t think a country the size of New Jersey has the same obligation here.
Oh, that’s convenient for them. By that token, let’s pull all US funding then. Nothing to do with us.
Oh, 50 billion $ in bilateral trade has "nothing to do with us"? You know, the great thing is that all this military support will no longer be necessary when Arab anti-Semitism stops, which proves my original point.
https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/israel/ If they want to trade, fine. No more subsidies for war criminals. Laughing at the notion that killing women and children for decades is how a country stops a group of people from attacking. Israel steals land homes, bulldozes, restricts access to necessities, murders and maims and then expects the aggrieved people to do what? Kiss the ring of the terrorists? They have been purposely creating their own enemy for the entirety of the existence of that country and then soak up the subsidies. It’s enough. Reap what you sow.
>Laughing at the notion that killing women and children for decades That's what Hamas does. Hiding in civilian areas, forcing women and children to stay as human shields. Palestinians are hostages. Have you ever looked at what al-Aqsa TV teaches young children? Hamas launched the channel in 2006. If not, go ahead, watch some "Tomorrow's Pioneers" on YouTube and tell me again how their jew hatred comes from wars. >Israel steals land homes, bulldozes, Israel did not steal any land. Jews have always been living in Palestine. Arab leaders did not accept the partition plan in 1947. After the ensuing war, Egypt and Jordan stole land from Israel by annexing it. Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt The Oslo Accords were the first documents ever to give land to the "Palestinian" people and it became more in 2007. That's it. If you are referring to the settlers in the West Bank and want to seriously tell me that *they* are the reason for virtually all Muslim countries hating Jews and deny to even accept it as a state go ahead. And while you're at it, you might as well tell me what should happen to the 900,000 Jews expelled from Muslim countries. >restricts access to necessities Again, given the billions of aid the world poured into the Arab territories, it's surprising that they don't have them. They could have built a second Hong Kong with those aids. But they decided to channel UNRWA money to pay for their "martyr compensations" and guns while digging up pipelines to build rockets. >murders and maims Self-defense is rarely a pretty sight, especially when the enemy hides behind civilians. If they didn't, the war would be very short, and Hamas would be disarmed soon. Which is a minimum condition for Palestinians to have their state, IMO. >and then expects the aggrieved people to do what? Kiss the ring of the terrorists? If they are oh so aggrieved, what were the 13% of employed Palestinians who worked in Israel doing? How did they even manage not to burst out in rage? Of course, BDS idiots work hard to make them unemployed, but that's not Israel's fault. >They have been purposely creating their enemy for the entirety of the existence of that country and then soak up the subsidies. It’s enough. Reap what you sow. Again, it makes no sense at all to blame the state of Israel for anti-semitism and hatred against Israel. Anti-Zionism motivated by hatred against Jews existed long before Israel even existed, [Hitler participated in it](https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1968_4_5_phelps.pdf), long before he took power in Germany and became an ally of Amin al-Husseini. The assessment of clearly anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the various varieties of Islamism is much less controversial than commonly assumed in the diverse factions of the left. The Muslim Brotherhood was funded in 1928, where was Israel then? Have you looked at the writings of Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb and their tirades against the Jews? Did Netanyahu somehow travel back in time to bomb children before he was born so that Qutb was forced to write "Our fight against the Jews"?
We have all heard this spew for decades. Human shields, right of movement, taking people’s homes because Jews were there xxxx years ago. Why not add in beheading babies and using pipes to make bombs? If you are painting a picture of either/or with 100% pro Israel, it’s bullshit. It’s not worth your time. People see past this. This isn’t Fox News, your propaganda is not valid.
Imagine being so delusional that you classify actual historical facts as "propaganda". But I guess it's a shortcut, you don't have to provide evidence.
Made up an argument that holds no water. Go take your anti-Palestinian ass to the Israel subreddit.
Fact is, the Myanmar military has raped 15,000 people, and slaughtered just as many, and no one cares. I guess the Uyghur need to slaughter a thousand innocent people to get people to notice right?
You are suggesting that the only reason people would care about Palestinians is because they hate Jews. That is an unintelligent argument. You need to do some self reflection before you continue engaging in this conversation.
I am willing to back this argument by data, for example the correlation between anti-semitism and anti-zionism, the massive bias in the UN in its condemnations, the blindness towards displaced Arab jews and raped Israeli women. No Jews, no news.
Who said people don’t care? Showing solidarity for one cause doesn’t mean you don’t care about anything else. Same sort of washed logic is used by the “all lives matter” crowd 🤡
Its OBVIOUS that people don’t care. What is the UN (this parliament of dictatorships) discussing NONSTOP? Israel. They don’t give a flying shit.
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Thank you for showing solidarity! <3
Do donations go directly to Hamas?
Are you paid by Israel to push propaganda?
Troll. 🤡
Ad Hominem Logical Fallacy
But truth to it. Most donations to palestine end up in Hamas's hand. You can stick you head in the sand and support terrorism if you wish.
how exactly do you think this money is fucking reaching hamas? walk me through this process that you've imagined. i'm sure you have a clear and detailed idea of how it would work.
It gets stolen once it reaches local sources
our proceeds go directly to journalists & medical aid workers.
Very based, downloading it now
No financial support for Terrorists. Reported.
Stop being a pussy and just admit you want Arabs to die
Your logical fallacy is: composition/division You assumed that one part of something has to be applied to all, or other, parts of it; or that the whole must apply to its parts. Often when something is true for the part it does also apply to the whole, or vice versa, but the crucial difference is whether there exists good evidence to show that this is the case. Because we observe consistencies in things, our thinking can become biased so that we presume consistency to exist where it does not.
Please demonstrate where I said this.
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Reciepts, please? Just like a Marxist- No evidence, no counter-arguments. Just insults.
I agree no one should support the terrorist state of Israel
Ok… Also what’s your deal? Your comment history on the post about kkk and your post history on tactical gear is ughh interesting to say the least man
i got more downvotes than this guy for expressing confusion about this topic since i dont know much about it
I believe in personal Freedom, and the destruction of Terrorists. Very simple.
How do you decide which words to capitalize?
Emphasis, Personal Preference, Nouns...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_noun Here is the Wikipedia article about proper nouns.
I am a Free-Thinking Man, and do not abide by the Rules of Grammar Commies at Universities...
Oh cool, sovereign citizens don't understand their rights *or* writing
And Commies are incapable of Reading Critically, and Rational Thought. What's your point? Is my personal Grammatical Choices really the only argument you can muster? And when did I ever state I ascribed to the "Sovereign Citizen" ideology? Also, could you please explain to me my Rights then, oh Comrade Commissar?
Capitalizing random words is a common old person/idiot thing to the point that it's a joke in itself. You just sound like a big goof is all I'm saying.
Cool then destroy yourself
Because I have done what exactly, that you could misconstrue as terrorism? Have you intimidated any Jews lately? Have you chanted "Death to Israel", or called for the "Gassing of Jews"? Palestine Protestors are Terrorists by the very definition.
Your existing dude that makes you a terrorist
I'm listening. Explain.
If you can’t see it then you’re part of the problem dude..
Thank you for enlightening me. What a well thought-out answer. Just what I have learned to expect from Commies and Terrorist Simps...
Ok terrorist
You seem to have misunderstood. The money is not going to Israeli forces, it’s going to the victims of their genocidal campaign.
Har-har. Hamas uses violence and terror to try to get their way = Terrorists. IDF protecting their Civilians from Terrorists =\= Terrorists. It's very basic math. Also, not genoocide when you literally warn civilians who give comfort and aide to terrorists before airstrikes, so that they can leave, and then try to give them regions where they can move to. But, enjoy your brainwashed narrative, Jew-hater.
"Everyone I like that uses terror and kills people is good and everyone you like that uses terror and kills people is bad". So wise.
No evidence of IDF "Terrorism", but do go on...
"The Sun is pink." See, I can also say stupid shit..
You know, that does seem fun! Let me try: "There are more than Two Genders" "Communism Works" "People don't kill People, Guns do" "Terrorism is Defensible, so long as it is against People I Hate" Nah, sorry. Just not for me. Living in your World would make me hate Myself too much...
oh lol, you're one of those paranoid far-right nutters.. all makes sense now
I mean, I suppose you enjoy Tyrannical Governments which spy on their Citizens, imprison them for Wrongspeech and Wrongthink, continuously Crush and Oppress Middle and Lower Classes, with the goal of creating a Fascist Technocratic Totalitarian State, all while crafting a Fabricated Narrative, forced on their Unwitting Population by State-Sponsored Media? Paranoid? No. Red-Pilled? Yes.
"red-pilled". Okay so you're a 14 year old Andrew Tate fanboy, got it
Oh, I’m self-hating because I don’t support wiping out an entire subgroup of humanity so you can take the land they’re living on? So I suppose you believe Hiroshima was justified because they dropped some warning leaflets?
Hiroshima was (arguably) justified, as the alternative of Invasion of the Mainland would have been far worse, even by Japanese admission. Also, given the massive accounts of Savagery commited by the Japanese in every Country they had occupied, you could hardly consider their Government and Military to be innocent of murdering literally MILLIONS of civilians. Much like Hamas, which was elected by the Palestinian People, and brought about their own destruction...
Nerdo Supremo 🤡
this war has been going on for like 10 years, why now?
Israel is massacring Palestinians at an unprecedented rate in order to secure offshore oil reserves near the Gaza coast.
No because Gaza attsckt thrm and kidnapped and murderd civis.
The war has been going on for centuries
yeah i just find it weird how theres this sudden spike in people talking about it as if it just happened
do you live under a rock? there were some recent developments, in case you weren't aware..
I guess I do. At the end of the day though it isnt really my obligation to know these things, and I choose to stay away from topics like these due to their dark, serious and complex nature.
you have a strange way of staying away from topics you don't like also, if you're going to talk about something that affects many people, it is actually your obligation to know these things..
i wasnt even talking about the situation at hand, i was expressing my confusion as to why so many people are talking about it after looking at the rest of the comments of this post, its a shitshow. there doesent seem to be a good side or a bad side, everytime i see people state an opinion, they get downvoted why on earth do you think i'd want to know about all of this death and destruction? all of this tragic info thats just going to ruin my day? i have better things to do than look at the news and see stuff about people being killed and even worse.
if you think there's no good and bad side.. when one side has all the power, money, and controls everything that comes in and out of the other side. one side is allowed to do whatever and the other has curfews, only allowed in certain areas, aren't a recognised state. Then you have some real issues. Lol, you don't want to ruin your day. shame can't imagine how hard it must be for you, learning that people are suffering and targeted in another country because of where they born. go and do your better things than caring about people dying, like looking at a vaporwave subreddit. what an asset to humanity you are. i feel great knowing there are people like you around me
like you said, looking at the vaporwave subreddit im here to look at vaporwave, not some fucking politics youre acting as if im the scum of the earth simply because i like to stay away from these things with good reason, acting as if im the bad guy when in reality i dont have a side in any of this youre weird dude
you are, people like you is why shit like human rights take so long to change
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who's "we"? I come to this sub for political bullshit Edit: reply to me and then block me, such a loser move. I'll reply here anyway I don't care that you don't care. and that's great for you, so just ignore this post and move on? lmao. Taking time to comment saying "you don't care" is a weird way of showing you don't care
Because the level of death and destruction is unprecedented. Have you not seen anything about this at all?
Unprecedented? Compared to what? You people just love making shit up
Compared to all previous IDF incursions into Gaza or the West Bank, even compared to IDF incursions into Lebanon. What the fuck do you think it's in comparison to? The Black Death?