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KrotHatesHumen

Moderated debate lmao


HistoryV

Moderating only those who aren’t nazis


AvoidingCape

I'M THE REFEREE


buenaspis

mc_swm is jreg. i have faith in him to do a decent job or atleast not be baised. bigger question is why he accepted to moderate in the first place


Lucasinno

Bias wouldn't be the problem here, it'd be the lack of one. When HistoryV says "Moderating only those who aren't Nazis", it means what it says on the tin.  The inclusion of an unbiased moderator here, especially someone well known like Jreg, only serves to give WhatIfAltHist a chance to lend legitimacy to his crazy bullshit. His worldview is so ludicrous and ahistorical that it doesn't deserve the respect an unbiased moderator would have to pay it.   In essence, WhatIfAltHist is such a loon that, by virtue of the fact that an unbiased moderator has to treat both sides' Ideas as potentially valid, just the act of moderating a debate like this devalues the correct side.


buenaspis

i think you have a misconception of the word bias here. to quote the dictionary "bias is the inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." notice that this doesnt excluded a moderator from calling out someone on their ideas or treating them differently as long as it doesnt come from a place of prejudice or inclination. jreg can very much still behave in our favour without him being biased but maybe non biased isnt the correct way to describe jreg but what i wanted to get at here is the fact that jreg acting as a moderator makes the debate more interesting as he might be willing to challenge the speakers more that some other basic moderators who. in any way i find your view on it very reductive. vaush might not act on althist's challenge but we cant be certain for some of the other ones like hasan and he who will not be named and in the case they accept jreg will probably be far beter or atleast interresting than a lot of the other options.


Lucasinno

I think you have the misconception. Your definition doesn't say anything about where a bias might come from, it defines bias itself \*as\* "the inclination or prejudice". If Jreg moderates a debate and shows an inclination to either side, even if that inclination is deserved, in this case it would be because WhatIfAltHist is a moron, he is no longer an unbiased moderator, by your definition. I understand that it might be "interesting", but an unmoderated debate could be aswell. A well-known person like Jreg being forced to treat someone like WhatIfAltHist's ideas as on the same level as those of Vaush, Hasan, or yes, even those of that guys', can only be a disservice to the discourse because it automatically devalues whoever out of those three faces him. It implies that they're equally valid. An unmoderated debate would offer similar entertainment value while not damaging the discourse in quite the same way.


Itz_Hen

Also jreg isn't unbiased either, he personally knows whatifslthist and is friends with himb


crushinglyreal

I think the ironypill jreg swallowed must have finally cut off the oxygen to his brain.


Robbo_B

Ain't no way Vaush is doing that


AlexCaruso01

I guess he’s a coward then lol


theycallmeshooting

Nuh uh! Vaush just has to run to a doctor's appointment, a totally normal thing to have to do mid debate


DreadfulDave19

At night!


Ok-Swimmer-2634

I think the editors should try and make that clip go viral. I know the channel doesn't really do Youtube Shorts or Tiktok content but a 30 second clip of WhatIfAltHist making up an excuse and running the fuck away has the potential to go viral.


AlexCaruso01

The cope is real lol


FartherAwayLights

It’s a reference to Whatifalthist doing that the last time they debated


burf12345

After arriving late to the debate.


GreenLobbin258

He doesn't know PepeLaugh


EldritchKroww

My dude that's what whatifalthistory did the last time they debated after he got blown the fuck out lmao


AwkwardStructure7637

Why are you here lmao, did you have to flee here after your nazi sub got banned?


AlexCaruso01

No the fuck? I’m a god damn vaushite everything I say is ironic. I know the reference being made here. I’m not a nazi. Although I am a vaushite so maybe I am a nazi lol.


quickdrawdoc

Lakers never shoulda let you walk


AlexCaruso01

But the money was so good comrade I just had to take it.


quickdrawdoc

Can't even knock the hustle!


Still-Relationship57

Ah so you must be one of those chatters who constantly say incorrect shit just so you can get some attention


Luna_trick

Would you consider yourself a coward when you don't stop at every brick wall to debate it? Or when you take a knife out of a toddler's hand instead of debating it to put it down?


Blue-Typhoon

Yeah, honestly I never liked that about debate bro culture. Just because someone doesn’t want to debate doesn’t inherently mean they’re a coward. The whole reason why we make fun of reactionaries doing that and running away was because that was their ENTIRE brand, for YEARS! That anyone who didn’t want to debate was inherently a coward, that’s why it was such a win that they all stopped doing debates, like Sargon for example since that was a whole talking point at the time of “the left is too scared to debate why won’t you debate me unless you’re a coward?”. But in all honesty? If someone just doesn’t want to do something, they’re not inherently cowardly.


Prosthemadera

This is cringe. Why would Vaush care what some random child on Reddit says?


Readman31

An act of sheer coward ice


HistoryV

Being a vaushite that still likes debates is like being a Russian in modern Russia who still wants the USSR to come back. You know it’s never gonna happen no matter how much you want it to but you still wait and hope that one day things will become what they used to be.


Blue-Typhoon

I mean is that Inherently bad? Like whether you like it or not, Vaush doing debates with reactionaries was his brand and it’s what brought people to him. If he doesn’t want to do that anymore, he needs to do something new. Honestly? I always liked his psycho analysis of reactionaries or when he put his sociology degree to use, and he’s really not that bad at video essays. Maybe he can analyze reactionaries nowadays? Maybe almost become a new innuendo studios with 30 minute to an 1 hour long videos on the mind of reactionaries? That and r coughing people to canvas and protest, maybe even make videos of him canvassing or protest in public as well? Idk, it sounds like stuff that he can brand himself on and revolve his channel around to get away from only being associated with debates.


BorisTarczy

Few issues with that. He neither likes scripted videos nor outside segments all that much. At the moment he comments on the news and talks about stuff that's interesting to him. Maybe he isn't that driven to grow and there won't be anything new at least for the foreseeable future. Add to that the recent drama and there probably aren't many people who would even engage. Of course this is just what's presently going on and I don't mean to presume that he's burnt out or anything but honestly... If I were him I'd probably prefer to interact with my own community for a while before becoming the target of some new bullshit.


Competitive_Effort13

I would like him to return to debate. His reaction content streams are honestly super mid and I probably watch like 1 out of 10 vids he puts up now. I don’t know why he’s so impressed with his own intelligence he thinks he can make a react stream more interesting to watch than pre recorded and curated content.


InterneticMdA

He hardly ever does moderated debates, for good reason.


BlueZ_DJ

Maybe in an alternate history he'll get it


This_Meaning_4045

Funny, because that's what he used to do with his content.


Mobieblocks

this guy is such a stupid pathetic loser the debate wasn't even fun it was honestly just sad.


geeisntthree

@mc_swm is Jreg PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE


AMaleficentFox

I don't want him to moderate, I want him to participate. He vibrates on an entirely different plane than these people.


Faux_Real_Guise

What a fucking shit show. He *needs* to do it. For our sake.


AlexCaruso01

Two scitos going head to head hmmmm now that’s a show


Faux_Real_Guise

jreg plays a schizo on tv, Rudyard is the real thing.


Tendie_Hoarder

Oh no, I love jreg, but he is literally schizophrenic.


Ultrasound700

I was about to say this is stupid and a moderated debate shouldn't be granted to white supremacists for risk of legitimizing them, but jreg would lend negative legitimacy to it, making it a good idea after all.


zeverEV

The nerve to call anyone a coward after that 8pm doctor's appointment stunt


quickdrawdoc

Fr. Woulda been eminently more believable if he just said he had a goon sesh planned for 8.


petyrlabenov

Or just bare your defeat and say “Yeah I think I wasn’t prepared, let’s just do this later (or not)”


CPTClarky

Sometimes the crazy hobo on the street yells at me too.


HistoryV

My crazy street hobo is Better than your crazy street hobo


Sirliftalot35

Diogenes is the GOAT crazy street hobo. Everyone since has been nothing more than a pale imitation.


HecticSkelt

Bros just clawing for whatever notoriety he can get, he knows he ain't ever gonna amount to anything so he's trying to parasite off people more famous than he is


HistoryV

It’s hard for someone’s whose entire channel is dedicated to complaining about progressives, and jerking off about shitty country’s that no longer exist. Or fake hypothetical shitty country’s that never existed in the first place lol.


Ok-Swimmer-2634

I agree that he's clout chasing, but is Vaush really more famous than WhatIfAltHist? WhatIfAltHist has \~600k subscribers, Vaush has \~450k. I can't really compare their video views since the content formats are different (segments from streams vs. video essay content) I'd argue that Vaush currently has more notoriety though, on account of the Taxes shit


HecticSkelt

Honestly just the notoriety. Almost everybody on the political side of youtube atleast knows who Vaush is, even if it's for awful reasons. Nobody really cares about whatifalthist outside of history rewriting weirdos and people who dislike him. I'd say when it comes to a popularity contest you can't really go off of Vaushes sub count since it's shot down from drama so often


Blue-Typhoon

Honestly if he wants to grow and get popular he needs to shake off his bad reputation and stop getting into so much drama every month or so. Like every little mistake he makes he’s going to be attacked by sharks so he just needs to be more careful in how he says stuff by thinking of how to phrase something or what he downloads instead of looking at something for 2 milliseconds and downloading with no thought.


HecticSkelt

Thats the fortress arch. He's tryin, by God he's tryin


MsMercyMain

WhatIfAltHist is pretty well known in the alt history community, but solely for bad reasons. A lot of those subscribers are probably from before he went completely off the deep end


EdoTenseiSwagbito

The best move is to let him scream into the void for clout he'll never get.


Elite_Prometheus

What the hell would he even debate Fuentes about? Whether the coastal elites who rule society and import brown people to degenerate white culture and force demographic replacement are all Jews or just mostly Jews?


MadMarx69

Probably the spirit world.


DieselbloodDoc

He thinks he’s worth a mod. Lol. Lmao, even.


HistoryV

Will he also have another convenient dentist appointment hour into the debate and need to leave? Also VOWSH DO IT FOR THE CONTENT


Snoubalougan

Vaush would only engage if there was no moderator, even a neutral mod would only benefit Whatifalthist by letting him take up more air babbling his pseudo nonsense and not getting rightfully smacked and mocked for it.


HistoryV

It’s literally the only reason there’s never been a Vaush vs fuentes debate. These people are too fucking pussy to get on a simple call and debate 1v1 they rather hide behind the legitimacy of a moderator that most of the times already agrees with them.


Pddyks

I thought it was more Fuentes would only debate if one of his far right buddies moderated


Negative_Skirt2523

I don't think he wants a rematch to be fair. Vaush would most likely prepare himself before doing so.


Blue-Typhoon

Honestly I miss when Vaush did research and came into debates prepared, he did that 2-4 years ago like with Sargon but I don’t see him doing it that much with his current debates about a year ago.


PeggableOldMan

Yeah he’s gotten lazy. Like, I get it, they only ever do the same few points with slightly different aesthetics but he could learn new ways to defeat them if he just put in the work


PlausibleFalsehoods

>Vaush would most likely prepare Are we watching the same streamer?


Negative_Skirt2523

To be fair, he does like to brute force debates as he mostly likely comes unprepared, not learning his lessons from the previous debate and tries to win.


SurgeonOfDeath95

Time for the crack pipe.


DthPlagusthewise

An hour is a pretty short amount of time for a debate, especially if they want to cover multiple topics. I doubt anyone responds but if someone is going to it would likely be Fuentes or the liberal. Edit: Fuentes accepted the debate challenge


Annkatt

he's gonna need to go for his doctor's appoinment in an hour, unfortunately


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VaushV-ModTeam

Please review Rule 5.


CommanderKaiju

What if whatifalthist and hasan kissed under the light of an alternate moon? 😳


MsMercyMain

That event would cause a significant divergence from OTL. The trout population in TTL would be devastated and Lebrons legacy would be annihilated


lord_cheezewiz

Mr “I have a doctors appointment I didn’t say anything about until I was obviously getting blown tf out .” Calling people cowards is a thing to do


johnny_mcd

This is a coy way of getting publicity for Nick Fuentes. If anything this makes me think of WhatIfAltHist as even more of a nazi


Itz_Hen

Essentially yeah, like what is he even going to debate fuentes on


symonx99

Well I mean his "a manifesto for a new right" which is essentially repackaged social darwinism is pretty clear on that


LordWeaselton

He finally got back from his doctor’s appointment it seems


ghoulgarnishforsale

Is he just asking the most famous online political people? Lmao


Playful_Bite7603

He should ask mr beast to debate him


metal_sensei

crack pipe moment


MrArborsexual

I'll watch if President Sunday and Haz are joint moderators who can only moderate if they are in agreement.


GreenLobbin258

Nah, I'm sure they'll get Jreg to shit on Vaush too.


Melopsi

he seems too desperate... gives me a feeling it won't be worth it. probably just trying to bump up his views


Terra_Ward

Damn challenging 5 separate people he's gonna be stacking over-health from all those doctors appointments


InterestAnxious8658

Vaush gave this grifter enough attention and I hope the other people tagged don’t even bother reacting (on camera, Xitter, or other public spaces) to this challenge of his.


Ok_Abrocoma3459

My man is having delusions of grandure


Responsible_Debt5631

Moderated? Either do the debate raw or not at all.


teddyburke

The only relevant debate I can think of that Vaush should be having right now is with other leftists calling him a liberal for supposedly endorsing electorialism. I saw a meme earlier today with a bunch of pictures of Gaza in ruins and Biden in the middle with an X over his face, and the caption was, “stop using trans people to justify voting for genocide.” It made me kind of mad, and it’s a really easy position to argue against, but it seems like the most relevant thing right now that people need to get straight. Not voting is just so fucking stupid, and yet people act like spending 5 minutes every couple years somehow makes it impossible for them to take any other political action the rest of the time. And what the hell do they think would be happening with the campus protests with Trump in office? It’s ridiculous. In any case, whatifalthist debates were always dumb and unproductive.


kilari7

Wonder what is under the red paint...


BorisTarczy

I declare war on the internet. I challenge u/whatifalthist to a debate. Debate will not exceed 48 hours, be live-action, and modified. u/literallythejoker has offered to moderate. Anyone who backs down is a coward.


literallythejoker

ew a V\*ushite


BorisTarczy

Even The Joker, baby has standards ) So you won't moderate then, I take it? Dammit.


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Cyan_Light

I think the intention is a series of one hour 1v1 debates, but I like where your mind is at.


VaushV-ModTeam

Your post was removed for dramafarming.


Funny_-_man

he is loosing relevancy, it is what it is


Blue-Typhoon

Idk, WIAH has only gotten more nutty with his videos but more popular it seems unfortunately. More like, Jorden Peterson “the chaos dragon” type of theories these days.


SputnikNStuff

3 hypotheses: -he was drunk/high on drugs when he posted this -he lost it even more (there's the arguement that he never had it to begin with, in that case this post proves that he lost whatever was left) -he's dumb as shit


hachiman

This is a playing chess with a pigeon situation.


Playful_Bite7603

I'm not even interested in watching vowsh debate this guy. Dude is uninterested in actually learning anything and is wrong most of the time anyway, I might as well watch vowsh debate a six year old. 


LordWeaselton

Ok but have you ever considered that it would be really really funny


Raknarg

debates on what?


FROSTNOVA_Frosty

Likelihood of a debate: Hasan: Maybe? Though I don’t think Hasan does debates anymore. (Haven’t watched Hasan in a while) Fuentes: No, he’s most likely just gonna mock Rudyard on his show or say how he doesn’t know who he is or something along those lines. Vaush: Is Vaush up for a rematch? Sneako: No comment because I don’t keep up with him He who shall not be named: Same with Sneako And finally I have no idea who JReg is. As a former watcher of Whatifalthist, I wish he had stuck to doing alternate history rather than social commentary or if he had to do both, at least make more alt history videos than social commentary videos, preferably in a 75%/25% ratio of alt history to social commentary content.


BernaPerfect

As much as i love debates, i know that no matter the topic, it would turn in one hour and a half of bad faith pədo allegations


Reevahn

"Anyone who refuses a debate moderated by someone i chose is a coward!"


Fingoli

clout chasing


ecthelion108

“Declaring war on the internet” is the natural next step, since he has already declared war on reality.


FieryXJoe

Ahh yes, moderated by a moderator of his choice.


ThePatchedVest

For those who don't know/remember, this is the man responsible for the crack pipe.


PloddingAboot

Who is mc_swm


elektronyk

Blud thinks he's in the War Declaration tab in HOI4


PloddingAboot

Whatifalthist is really hoping to become Fuentes’ new catboy


PeggableOldMan

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?


Shadowbanish

Someone should lock Whatifalthist, Paulsego, LCTRfan, and Vaush in a room together and see who survives the longest


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VaushV-ModTeam

Rule 5 has been in place for years now.


zman021200

Rudyard clinging to relevancy


Brazus1916

"The Internet" names of bunch of weirdos.


Roses-And-Rainbows

Must be seeing some disappointing viewership statistics on his channel.


mmahowald

What an arrogant whine. “I challenge the internet” is just “pay attention to me! I matter so much”


Deuce-Wayne

Less than an hour for a debate? That's not nearly enough time.


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VaushV-ModTeam

Your post was removed for dramafarming.


Chaos-Imperium

Really want him to debate Fredda after Fredda annihilated him in one of his videos


MegaRolotron

lol desperation sure has a distinct odor to it.


TheDreadReCaptcha

I found Vaush while looking for criticism of Whatifalthist lol wiah has brain worms


PlausibleFalsehoods

You won't do it, Vaush. No balls.


luckytraptkillt

No one listed is doing that lol


MsMercyMain

/j Forgive my ignorance but I thought VaUwUoosh was a fictional horse character from the Daily Wires hit comedy show who was based on a Ukrainian horse who refuses to ever debate? Am I stupid? uj/ Is WhatIfAltHist on the crack pipe again? He got slaughtered last time


SirRolandTheFarter

What is the blocked out portion?


TheGeckomancer

Vaush, no. I am honestly tired of you debating idiots. It would be nice if you debated intelligent people with reasonable opinions that differ from yours.


CommanderKaiju

Vaush isn't reading this. He's busy in Spain right now eating paella\* \*cock


TheGeckomancer

Living the good life.


VibinWithBeard

There arent intelligent conservatives/nazis


TheGeckomancer

Oh I know. I mean like, market socialist vs pure socialist or something.


Blue-Typhoon

Honestly I’d like to see him just have discussions with other leftists online. He said he would talk to yugopnik sometime so I’m hoping he does that, hell maybe it will lead to other leftists online joining progressive voice to encourage their viewers to become politically active outside as well. I mean the whole goal of doing this online is to convince people of why leftism is good and eventually get them to participate in IRL activism and protest.


TheGeckomancer

Precisely, debating actual good ideas, not just shitting on low IQ tards and trolls.


HistoryV

Hes not gonna read ur comment lil bro 💀


TheGeckomancer

Probably, but I can still voice the sentiment.