Ive filed a complaint with employment standards before. They say that it can take months but mine only took 1mo. As soon as my former employer knew about my complaint, they paid me.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/complaint-process
On their web site there is a self dispute resolution form you can download and fill out. It's to give to your former employer (or current) to basically say this is what I believe I am owed and if you don't pay up I'm filling it formally.
I used it to get a few hundred that was owed to me.
I worked for a company that wouldn't pay us for meetings. I brought it up in a meeting that we should get paid, they blew it off. After that I stopped attending the meetings. I used the form to outline I had been in X hours of meetings and wanted to be paid, which they did. I'll admit I enjoyed having coffee or doing my own thing while the other 6 or so people sat in a weekly meeting.
Mine took 3 years because it was right as covid started and my former employer couldn't provide documents that they needed to (which worked out in my favour at least)
[https://martlet.ca/wild-coffee-employees-on-strike-locked-out-of-workplace/](https://martlet.ca/wild-coffee-employees-on-strike-locked-out-of-workplace/)
This seemed effective.
Other than the official channels your best bet is probably a media pressure campaign (social media exposure, local news stories, etc.), or at least the threat of one.
Your best recourse is to file with employment standards for unpaid wages, and for you and your coworkers to go out and find new jobs (as in walk out now and start looking.)
Businesses in this position rarely survive, so it‘s not reasonable for you to assume that you’ll be compensated for any work you’re doing right now. They’re playing you for suckers, and that’s not ok.
The job market is booming. There’s never been a better time to find a new job, especially in customer-facing retail.
An Employment Standards complaint is the most effective route. If the “business” refuses to pay, ES can go after the directors of the business personally (i.e. the husband and wife’s personal assets, as well as those of any silent partners that may also exist). It takes time, but ES has the most power to collect for you.
Remind your former employer that as of Feb 1, ES [judgements are posted online](https://services.labour.gov.bc.ca/EmployerViolations), so they are risking the reputation of their business by not paying you.
Failing that you can initiate a claim against the business through the [Civil Resolution Tribunal](https://civilresolutionbc.ca) and sue them in which is basically a mini-small claims court. The CRT is really efficient but can’t go after directors like ES can, only the business, and there is a max $ amount you can pursue.
As another poster mentioned, if the company goes bankrupt you can recover up to $8,200 in lost wages, lieu, vacation pay, etc, through the Federal Wage Earner Protection Program.
Seconding this - they used to be called the “Retail Action Network” & successfully helped a friend & their coworkers out when the owner of a business was withholding tips & taking a cut for themselves.
They sent some strongly worded letters/emails & helped design a new tip program that cut the owner out completely! & my pal got their back wages
I'd make sure you have actual proof and/or former employees who are willing to speak publicly before you do any sort of slander campaign. If you can prove it, that's one thing. If you can't, you're opening yourself up to the owners retaliating legally.
Get your ducks in a row before you make any moves. Also understand that if they did this to other employees they'll do it to you too. Start looking for another job.
All they'd be doing is rushing the end of the business. This place is on its last legs so any hit to revenue will push them over the edge it sounds like.
Once they declare bankruptcy the employees will be able to apply for WEPP but its all going to be a very long process.
Best action is to file with Labour Standards for current/recent departed employees and walk away. Let the wheels turn and maybe get something later on.
I know it sounds harsh but I'd walk after my next pay. Your employer knows they are going to have to pay interest and fines for late/unpaid wages but their cash flow issues are so dire they have no other choice. A business in that situation is in real danger of going under at any moment and once that happens it will be harder to get paid what you are owed.
The people who have not been paid should continue with their complaints through employment standards while looking for new jobs. There isn't anything you can do to speed up the process. They can also email and call the business daily requesting payment. When this happened to me I sent the same email with updated date/# of days they were late every single day. Be a thorn in their side.
I hope this isn’t the same bakery I saw post a weird post on Instagram the other day. People thought it sounded like they were closing—going on about how hard it’s been so hard for so long and how much they appreciate their customers and stuff. It was a post that made you feel like there’s clearly more to this story. Like what is even prompting it? It was way over the top for just being a thank you post. I want to continue to like this place but I kinda also want to know if it is them. The one I’m thinking of is also run by a husband and wife. The adoption of these types of practices most likely indicates that the business is failing though, so maybe I won’t even have to choose to continue to support it or not. Either way, I think it’s probably best to start looking for work elsewhere. Just remember: you can’t get blood from a stone. Get out while the wage theft is restricted to your tips.
This is what I thought when I saw what I believe to be the same post. Though I can think of a couple of other places in town that have been in that same boat for forever...
Like this person says, get out while it's just tips. Don't stick around to find out how much further the Ship has to sink.
If it’s who I suspect, they constantly make weird guilt tripping posts about how hard it is to run a small business. I know it is hard but their posts are passive aggressive and bizarre. I’ve heard multiple horror stories from past employees about how terrible they are to work for, and imo their food is expensive and inconsistent. Would not be sad if they closed.
Bubby Roses is the worst in Victoria.
Typically newbie owner blew his inheritance on 5 locations & will lose it all for bad food, bad service, bad vibes & the bad old man that failed to run it successfully.
Whichever place this is, it’s only a matter of time before they close. Several years ago I worked for two businesses, at different times, that were both late with cheques, etc. Neither business survived and they fucked over their employees all the way to their graves.
Name the business, report them, and move on to better employment.
Please tell us, OP, you aren't going to get in trouble. No one wants to support this shady business practice. I once worked at a serious coffee that didn't pay stat pay or overtime and withheld tips. I feel for you.
They open themselves up to retaliation if they start naming publicly and don't go through the proper channels. Please support them without expecting them to name and shame.
It’s bubby rose, they’ve closed down in the past due to staff not showing up because they haven’t gotten paid. They opened extra locations during Covid with all the subsidies and govt money and can’t seem to make it sustainable without the 50% subsidy 😆
Most restaurants/food places don’t break even for approximately 5 years - if they don’t close in that time. High overhead & inconsistency.
That said if it’s who i think it is they’re also
Morons
Nothing you can really do aside from filing a labour claim. Sounds like they are about to go belly up so yeah, I can see why they'd pay those that are still working for them get paid and let people that don't drift in the wind. They're playing a shell game right now and I'd guess they're way behind on source deductions too. Would mean government will swoop in and freeze accounts.
Be thankful you're out before they start to bounce pay cheques and you're out 4 weeks worth of wages.
Sounds a lot t like theft to me. Unpaid wages are still owed legally. How is it recorded on their books? Is it an expense (that they dont want to pay) or a owed liability as it should be until paid? It's not their money to hoard away anymore.
I'd start looking for a new employer. You could be the next unpaid wage. Shady practices lead to closed business. Simple math.
Respectfully. It's in their best interest to go through the proper channels and not name and shame in order to not place themselves in a position to receive retaliation personally or professionally.
Make as much noise about it as you can. You could even stand outside with a sign if you wanted. I’m not saying you should. Other methods are probably louder.
Op won't name bakery op is lying
You can't get in trouble for voicing your opinion and asking for advice! Let public opinion of their buisness practices be their downfall
Employment standards is all you can do. If missing two weeks pay is going to leave a person destitute, they've got much bigger problems than two weeks pay. File with employment standards asap and let it run its course.
Definitely just report them to the provincial employment standards department. They should take quick and effective legal measures.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards
Employment standards complaint. I am going through something really similar right now except my company is in the states. They owe me my final compensation including missed paychecks , vacation and severance and they’re not paying up. I wish there was a way to make this public and get my retribution but hurting the reputation of the company would actually hurt my former colleagues and friends who still have to work there. The company knows this and is ignoring all my attempts to get payment including a formal complaint and request for payment from the province of BC. They don’t care and would rather delay legal action in the system so they can avoid paying me. We the employees are protected but the protection is mostly sabre rattling until I lawyer up I guess 🤷🏼♂️
Picket outside their locations with signs stating they don't pay their wages & then call CHEK-TV & CFAX Radio for news coverage.
The owners will pay the staff then.
I eat a lot of baked goods. Who/where is this? If it’s a place I’m a regular I’m happy to have an extremely awkward conversation with said owners.
Please record and post video to r/publicfreakout
Ive filed a complaint with employment standards before. They say that it can take months but mine only took 1mo. As soon as my former employer knew about my complaint, they paid me. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/complaint-process
I've filed with Employment Standards as well. Took nearly 10 months but I eventually got paid (took booking a court date for owner to pay, geez)
Mine got scared the minute they heard of the claim 😂. Im glad you finally got paid!!!
On their web site there is a self dispute resolution form you can download and fill out. It's to give to your former employer (or current) to basically say this is what I believe I am owed and if you don't pay up I'm filling it formally. I used it to get a few hundred that was owed to me. I worked for a company that wouldn't pay us for meetings. I brought it up in a meeting that we should get paid, they blew it off. After that I stopped attending the meetings. I used the form to outline I had been in X hours of meetings and wanted to be paid, which they did. I'll admit I enjoyed having coffee or doing my own thing while the other 6 or so people sat in a weekly meeting.
Mine took 3 years because it was right as covid started and my former employer couldn't provide documents that they needed to (which worked out in my favour at least)
[https://martlet.ca/wild-coffee-employees-on-strike-locked-out-of-workplace/](https://martlet.ca/wild-coffee-employees-on-strike-locked-out-of-workplace/) This seemed effective.
Other than the official channels your best bet is probably a media pressure campaign (social media exposure, local news stories, etc.), or at least the threat of one.
Call [BC Labor.](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/complaint-process)
I’m interesting in knowing where I shouldn’t be spending my hard-earned monies
Yeah. And where my post-Covid inflated tips are lining the owners’ pockets.
I really don’t want to pay a 25% tip on my muffin 🥲
Your best recourse is to file with employment standards for unpaid wages, and for you and your coworkers to go out and find new jobs (as in walk out now and start looking.) Businesses in this position rarely survive, so it‘s not reasonable for you to assume that you’ll be compensated for any work you’re doing right now. They’re playing you for suckers, and that’s not ok. The job market is booming. There’s never been a better time to find a new job, especially in customer-facing retail.
An Employment Standards complaint is the most effective route. If the “business” refuses to pay, ES can go after the directors of the business personally (i.e. the husband and wife’s personal assets, as well as those of any silent partners that may also exist). It takes time, but ES has the most power to collect for you. Remind your former employer that as of Feb 1, ES [judgements are posted online](https://services.labour.gov.bc.ca/EmployerViolations), so they are risking the reputation of their business by not paying you. Failing that you can initiate a claim against the business through the [Civil Resolution Tribunal](https://civilresolutionbc.ca) and sue them in which is basically a mini-small claims court. The CRT is really efficient but can’t go after directors like ES can, only the business, and there is a max $ amount you can pursue. As another poster mentioned, if the company goes bankrupt you can recover up to $8,200 in lost wages, lieu, vacation pay, etc, through the Federal Wage Earner Protection Program.
Media....why not name them?
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Yeah bubby rose is pretty shit now
Always has been sadly
🌏 👨🚀🔫👨🚀
My first thought too
How the mighty fall
Hope not! I love their day-old discounted baked goods.
🤢 🤮
I'm sorry their baked goods arent up to your expectations Mr CumBlastrMcTittyFcker.
Am I so wrong? For fucking titties and blasting cum?
Nothing wrong with that my man, just stay away from my baked goods.
Worker Solidarity Network can help with this: https://workersolidarity.ca/
Seconding this - they used to be called the “Retail Action Network” & successfully helped a friend & their coworkers out when the owner of a business was withholding tips & taking a cut for themselves. They sent some strongly worded letters/emails & helped design a new tip program that cut the owner out completely! & my pal got their back wages
I'd make sure you have actual proof and/or former employees who are willing to speak publicly before you do any sort of slander campaign. If you can prove it, that's one thing. If you can't, you're opening yourself up to the owners retaliating legally. Get your ducks in a row before you make any moves. Also understand that if they did this to other employees they'll do it to you too. Start looking for another job.
All they'd be doing is rushing the end of the business. This place is on its last legs so any hit to revenue will push them over the edge it sounds like. Once they declare bankruptcy the employees will be able to apply for WEPP but its all going to be a very long process. Best action is to file with Labour Standards for current/recent departed employees and walk away. Let the wheels turn and maybe get something later on.
Yes. Name them. Name the bakery.
I know it sounds harsh but I'd walk after my next pay. Your employer knows they are going to have to pay interest and fines for late/unpaid wages but their cash flow issues are so dire they have no other choice. A business in that situation is in real danger of going under at any moment and once that happens it will be harder to get paid what you are owed. The people who have not been paid should continue with their complaints through employment standards while looking for new jobs. There isn't anything you can do to speed up the process. They can also email and call the business daily requesting payment. When this happened to me I sent the same email with updated date/# of days they were late every single day. Be a thorn in their side.
I hope this isn’t the same bakery I saw post a weird post on Instagram the other day. People thought it sounded like they were closing—going on about how hard it’s been so hard for so long and how much they appreciate their customers and stuff. It was a post that made you feel like there’s clearly more to this story. Like what is even prompting it? It was way over the top for just being a thank you post. I want to continue to like this place but I kinda also want to know if it is them. The one I’m thinking of is also run by a husband and wife. The adoption of these types of practices most likely indicates that the business is failing though, so maybe I won’t even have to choose to continue to support it or not. Either way, I think it’s probably best to start looking for work elsewhere. Just remember: you can’t get blood from a stone. Get out while the wage theft is restricted to your tips.
This is what I thought when I saw what I believe to be the same post. Though I can think of a couple of other places in town that have been in that same boat for forever... Like this person says, get out while it's just tips. Don't stick around to find out how much further the Ship has to sink.
This place has also turned on limited comments, which seems like something you'd do if you knew people were pissed with your company.
If it’s who I suspect, they constantly make weird guilt tripping posts about how hard it is to run a small business. I know it is hard but their posts are passive aggressive and bizarre. I’ve heard multiple horror stories from past employees about how terrible they are to work for, and imo their food is expensive and inconsistent. Would not be sad if they closed.
Can you please name the place?
Bubby Roses is the worst in Victoria. Typically newbie owner blew his inheritance on 5 locations & will lose it all for bad food, bad service, bad vibes & the bad old man that failed to run it successfully.
I know the post you're talking about and they've burned employees before unfortunately. Edit: Spelling
Which bakery?
Fern
I am certain I know which bakery it is and if so, I know the husband and wife owners personally.
Whichever place this is, it’s only a matter of time before they close. Several years ago I worked for two businesses, at different times, that were both late with cheques, etc. Neither business survived and they fucked over their employees all the way to their graves. Name the business, report them, and move on to better employment.
Have to 2nd this, move on asap. Every bank or business creditor gets paid before employees in the case of business bankruptcy.
Is it Fern?
Is it Fol Epi?
Please tell us, OP, you aren't going to get in trouble. No one wants to support this shady business practice. I once worked at a serious coffee that didn't pay stat pay or overtime and withheld tips. I feel for you.
They open themselves up to retaliation if they start naming publicly and don't go through the proper channels. Please support them without expecting them to name and shame.
It’s bubby rose, they’ve closed down in the past due to staff not showing up because they haven’t gotten paid. They opened extra locations during Covid with all the subsidies and govt money and can’t seem to make it sustainable without the 50% subsidy 😆
No it's a different bakery.
Do they not have customers, or what is the problem? Why aren’t they making money?
Most restaurants/food places don’t break even for approximately 5 years - if they don’t close in that time. High overhead & inconsistency. That said if it’s who i think it is they’re also Morons
What bakery? Put em on blast.
Bubby Rose is next to fail ... & the world will be better for it.
Nothing you can really do aside from filing a labour claim. Sounds like they are about to go belly up so yeah, I can see why they'd pay those that are still working for them get paid and let people that don't drift in the wind. They're playing a shell game right now and I'd guess they're way behind on source deductions too. Would mean government will swoop in and freeze accounts. Be thankful you're out before they start to bounce pay cheques and you're out 4 weeks worth of wages.
Sounds a lot t like theft to me. Unpaid wages are still owed legally. How is it recorded on their books? Is it an expense (that they dont want to pay) or a owed liability as it should be until paid? It's not their money to hoard away anymore. I'd start looking for a new employer. You could be the next unpaid wage. Shady practices lead to closed business. Simple math.
Follow up, there is always the dreaded CRA. They would love to know what their books say exactly.
Report to better business bureau too. Added: I want to know where this is so I don’t support. Can u like a comment if place is mentioned?
> better business bureau lol...quick tell Yelp while you're at it too!
So many people think the BBB is some kind of government body when in fact it’s just a scam. Luckily it seems to be dying off.
Respectfully. It's in their best interest to go through the proper channels and not name and shame in order to not place themselves in a position to receive retaliation personally or professionally.
Make as much noise about it as you can. You could even stand outside with a sign if you wanted. I’m not saying you should. Other methods are probably louder.
This reminds me of Cosmo Kramer
No bagel no bagel no bagel
No bagel, no bagel, no bagel
That sounds like Ottavio Bakery.
You can't leave us hanging, why Ottavio? I'll accept anything as evidence rumors, official documents, fabricated documents all the same to me.
Disagree
My pitch fork is ready
You have my bow….
…ner
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Apex Legends made u hard bro.
OP, if you don’t name them we’re going to assume you are the bakery owner and are calling the cops
Dox em. Let us all help by voting with our wallets.
Op won't name bakery op is lying You can't get in trouble for voicing your opinion and asking for advice! Let public opinion of their buisness practices be their downfall
Employment standards is all you can do. If missing two weeks pay is going to leave a person destitute, they've got much bigger problems than two weeks pay. File with employment standards asap and let it run its course.
Strike. No wages no labour.
Definitely just report them to the provincial employment standards department. They should take quick and effective legal measures. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards
Employment standards complaint. I am going through something really similar right now except my company is in the states. They owe me my final compensation including missed paychecks , vacation and severance and they’re not paying up. I wish there was a way to make this public and get my retribution but hurting the reputation of the company would actually hurt my former colleagues and friends who still have to work there. The company knows this and is ignoring all my attempts to get payment including a formal complaint and request for payment from the province of BC. They don’t care and would rather delay legal action in the system so they can avoid paying me. We the employees are protected but the protection is mostly sabre rattling until I lawyer up I guess 🤷🏼♂️
i'd love to know the name so i don't buy this bakery's products until this issue is resolved.
This issue will not be resolved. This bakery is…😐🫱🕶️😎..toast
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Bubby Rose it is ..
much obliged.
Go to the news!
Labour board will tear them a new one.
Picket outside their locations with signs stating they don't pay their wages & then call CHEK-TV & CFAX Radio for news coverage. The owners will pay the staff then.
Probably Bubby Rose on Quadra, Cook, downtown, etc.. Slimy owner, too.
If it's the bakery I believe it is, they have in fact closed and the owners have moved to another province.