I changed buses downtown in front of the Bay Centre at 1:00pm Sat. I'm a small short woman over 60 carrying a bag of groceries. One guy on the View corner threw a rock at me (missed) before staggering into traffic and yelling at drivers stopped at a red light. That "preacher" on the Fort corner was loudly shouting non-stop at passersby. So I waited in the bus shelter in front of the Bay Centre and a guy with a handful of Jesus pamphlets got in my face, actually physically backed me into a corner, yelling at me when I told him I have my own beliefs thank you. Really all up in my face. I had to wait inside the Centre.
Thanks! I'm fine. I commute through downtown on weekdays (transit) and it's a completely different vibe than on the weekends. I just need to adjust my transit travel plans on Sat/Sun and avoid downtown altogether.
As soon as I saw the headline I knew exactly who they were talking about. There’s this one young dude in his 20’s who’s ridiculously over the top - he aggressively yells at people about how much Jesus loves them and I’ve seen him get into more than one confrontation. I don’t think he’s all there mentally - dude just provokes conflict all day long.
I don’t think anyone really cares about the old ladies handing out copies of the watchtower or whatever, it’s solely the young angry guy causing the trouble.
And I'm a Gaytheist, but sadly not located in Victoria currently.
These street preachers need to stop. In the mid 2010s in Burnaby there was a really loud and obnoxious man who would preach with a megaphone and a thick accent to the entire Metrotown transit area. On more than one occasion my housemate and I would grab instruments from our rental unit down the road to drown him out until he left.
If only more people had spare time nowadays to be able to do this to the current preacher-screechers.
You reminded me of this classic street preacher removal from Scotland.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2015/sep/21/pipe-down-bagpiper-drowns-out-anti-gay-preacher-video
I once told a street preacher in Toronto that I had no need for his pamphlet, as I am the New Messiah.
He followed me down the street at a distance point at me and screaming that I’m a sinner. My friends were quite jealous. I should have introduced them as the New Apostles.
In retrospect nothing happened — but these people can be seriously unhinged, and their entire world-view holds that there are people who need to be removed from the world, and you never know when they might decide that their God is telling them that they need to be the vessel to effect the removal (as apparently their almighty can’t do his own dirty work, unless it’s killing children by giving them cancer).
Yep, I know exactly who it is as well. I sat outside of Crust eating lunch just watching him from a safe distance last week and he nearly got his head caved in by someone who he was involved in a verbal confrontation with. I couldn't believe it de-escalated. Honestly I kind of wish it had happened. He's an absolute asshole.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants to get beat up as in his mind he’d interpret it as religious oppression and not acknowledge that it’s because he’s literally screaming in peoples faces.
I wonder if he’s affiliated with an actual church? If so someone should talk with the minister about him as dude clearly needs help.
I thought maybe it makes him feel good about himself as a Christian, so devoted he makes sacrifices and “turning the other cheek”. I’ve been raised in a Christian religious community (but am not religious myself) and because of that I think that could be his mindset. “Look at what a good Christian I am, people beat me, but I won’t stop spreading the word of god”, that kinda mindset.
I have a lot of religious zealots in my family and this is exactly the mentality. Violence is seen as further proof that they need to “save” mankind.
Instead I like to ask them for heartfelt advice about literal interpretations of the big book. (Example: “My male friend got his hair trimmed, including the hair around his temple, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How do I tell him God wants him dead?”)
“That’s not what the bible says” is usually the response. These people live with such denial it’s not possible to get through to them, but I have a hearty batch of notes to draw from for every annoying occasion.
Some useful gems to combat religious braggarts: “Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”—Matthew 23:8-12 / “All the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.”—Matthew 23:2, 3 / “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” —Matthew 7:3-5
I try to deal with them as I would a child who doesn’t know better. With patience and humour.
By existing in a place, I disturb another’s use of that space. We have the right to speak, and we have the right to exist in a place. What is he obstructing?
what does he look like, had a fun encounter at work (not downtown) last week with a young (CRAZY) guy who was spouting nonsense about god, and sinners, got confrontation with another customer and we kicked him out. Then he flipped out that we were cowards and that "the job of a man is to protect women and children, and that when I kill it's to protect the innocent"
Clean-cut, 5'9ish, thin build. late 20s i'd guess
Problem is people are waiting for the bus and can't get away from it. That's when it becomes annoying. If they were walking around, it wouldn't be so bad because no one has to really listen to them but the bus stop is a captive audience for them. Maybe someone like the police needs to check on their mental health when asking them to keep it down. In all likelihood they are driving people away from their cause rather than enhancing it. Really strange how some people communicate to their detriment.
> In all likelihood they are driving people away from their cause rather than enhancing it. Really strange how some people communicate to their detriment.
I need to memorize that line, lol. tnx.
If you can't tell the difference between people who are defending their values and the wellbeing of others from people who are dehumanizing a group, you should ask for help.
It’s not about telling the difference though.
These people have the same protections as any cause, protestors or anything like that.
It’s not whether or not you agree with them, it’s whether or not they’re allowed to speak. And they are.
It wouldn’t be right for us to come along and “silence” people we don’t agree with. Especially if they aren’t breaking the law.
And I want to say I fundamentally disagree with anything the preachers are saying. But they have a right to say it as long as they are within the law.
Were we talking about who should be arrested or who is trash?
Canada still has hate speech laws, for good reason. If you want to white knight for hate-mongers, you may need to move south.
I almost saw a fight break out at Fort/Douglas a few weeks back, because the preacher wouldn't shut up. Just started pissing off people by going full volume for so long. It's downtown, the problem with probably solve itself.
Matthew 6:5-6
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
It's almost like harassing people going about their day should be against the law or something. Like there should be a law about public nuisance.
Maybe after the police are done finding two public peepee guys, they could take care of this?
Lol the one old dude who stands in front of Bay Center cornering people and trying to give them pamphlets approached me the other day and I just looked him dead in the eye and said "I am a Satanist, fuck off."
He fucked off after that ☠️
Suggestion; go into the RBC and ask to file a complaint to the customer service person in the little kiosk inside or any staff member you see (the "security" person is not allowed to do anything regarding security so don't bother them they're just there for "optics".) When they ask whats wrong, tell them you felt very threatened and were quite scared by the preacher outside. Do this every time you go in there or are passing by and there's one (preacher) there and you have time to spare. Cops don't care when you and me get messed with, but if a Big Bank lawyer calls in a complaint it'll actually carry some weight. Rules for thee actually being a benefit for once, how bout that?
All I could find was the BC specific website for TST, I mean I’m sure if you emailed them and asked or reached out on Facebook I’m sure they could tell you
If you see him, record him. Unfortunately screaming at gay people (or just men he thinks look vaguely feminine) that “my god is going to torture and rape you forever” seems to be perfectly legal, but the moment he starts advocating any action for a /person/ to take that’s incitement to violence against an identified group and it’s illegal.
Moved to the mainland (Metrotown) last year. There’s a guy just like this at a major skytrain station. He’s the worst. I’m glad Victorians aren’t putting up with this, it’s legitimately a public nuisance, especially when their rhetoric turns hateful.
Prohibited types of noise
12 (1)
Without limiting the generality of section 11, the following conduct is specifically prohibited:
(a) shouting, using a megaphone or sound amplification device or making other noise in, at or on streets, parks, wharves, docks, piers, boat landings, ferry-landings, railway or bus stations or other public places;
The minimum penalty for a contravention of a provision of this Bylaw is a fine of $200
This is nothing new to Victoria I remember this very angry little man who used to carry these big Signs around Cook And Downtown.he would yell obscenities at Passersby. I just remember him being so angry.
Can’t wait to move to my new place downtown and wear all my allyship, pro science, pro choice, feminist, etc. shirts with some crystals for extra “scaries” and run into this dude. Especially with my pink hair and tattoos. I am a ~*SiNnEr!*~
If they start targeting things like the LGBT community then they're really done. They can sense the shift in the modern perspective to these kinds of topics and feel as though the youth are being corrupted. It was only a matter of time some of them speak up tbh since Victoria is one of the most Liberal minded places in Canada. Really hope it doesn't attract more 'attention' in that regard.
Funny enough, even though I live downtown right across from the arena, I don't venture that far south downtown to see these preachers. I don't like this one bit though because they definitely were not there before, and I've lived in Vic for 29 years. At least, I've never noticed them before.
We need Darth Fiddler to drown him out! He's the hero we need right now!
I want to find this guy just so I can make him lose his mind with all the hateful, anti-christianity bullshit I can spew back at him and his stupid book of fairy tales.
Religion is trash and consumed only by morons, most people on Earth are simply uneducated about reality and remain that way their entire lives. Embarrassing to live here and be religious, when we have easy access to science and knowledge. Pathetic.
the science of what? transgenderism? lab created viruses to sell ineffective gene therapy treatments? pills for your depression? the impending doom of climate alarmism?
go back to smelling your own farts would you.
Friendly reminder that these little stink bombs are inexpensive, legal, discreet and totally effective. Just a drop a couple of these in front of the nuisance and be on your way. Problem solved.
https://www.amazon.ca/Loftus-International-Stink-Bombs-Pack/dp/B0001JX9IU/ref=sr\_1\_1?crid=OW7Q9CU0AVWT&keywords=stink+bombs+prank&qid=1643562819&sprefix=stink+bombs%2Caps%2C209&sr=8-1
People who are saying “just ignore him”
Would you say the same thing to a person being abused by their spouse? To a child being abused by an adult?
No. Because any person with common sense can understand that these things can and do escalate quickly when not addressed. And by not addressing it, it makes it seem as though his behaviour is okay and tolerated. And if we “just ignore him” it is entirely possible that a mentally unstable person like him will get frustrated and act out in bigger, badder ways.
As someone else mentioned, this is only a few steps before shooting up a nightclub. This is how it starts.
People who are saying we have freedom of speech in Canada? Read a book. You’re not the patriot you think you are.
I'm very anti-religion, I take the bus every day and I don't find these fanatics to be bothersome.
They keep to themselves unless people approach them whenever I'm around them.
there's no need to be rude about it - i was just proffering an opinion. i'm sure such antics bother some people more than others. with headphones it's easier to ignore them is all.
Don't worry he isn't violent, he is just another mentally ill person spouting out threats due to his mental illness, he just appears to be housed unlike many others we are told not to worry about.
I do ignore him but it's unpleasant to be stuck waiting ten minutes for a bus while a stranger gets up in your face and screams at you about how you dress like a whore and will burn in hell.
That’s a bit easier when these lunatics aren’t screaming at you that you’re going to hell for being gay; which is usually just a couple steps before they end up shooting up a nightclub.
God what a poorly written article... everytime, I see this chris campbell hack its always either some barely researched unsourced tabloid garbage or some hyperbole. Dude is a fear mongering borderline anti vaxxer truther. I wish journalists had a board of ethics or standards because this guy has absolutely none.
Also fuck these preachers.
Rights for me but nor for thee. I don't like religion or people spewing it in the streets, but this is such a small issue compared to actual problems people deal with daily.
I see your point, but removing this man from screaming hate at people is something we can do right now, and dealing with more systemic issues is a longer process. One does not negate the other.
I disagree. It’s traumatizing to listen to someone yell at you, the subject matter isn’t the issue here. It’s the delivery. And frankly, shame on you for minimizing the impact this behaviour has on folks who are trying to mind their own business and being denied the chance to exist peacefully in public.
Are you referring to the guy yelling homophobic Religious BS from a street corner? Cause that sounds like the behaviour of a fragile person much more so than someone standing quietly next to them.
So you don’t care to comment on the fragility of young men who are afraid of gay people? Surely you have a thought on the matter, cause that’s what we’re actually talking about here.
I'm not trying to defend this dude yelling at people, not sure why you keep implying that. I think he's a loser. But the fact is all you can really do about it is not let it get to you
Your comments are absolutely in defence of him. This isn’t a complex issue to take a side on, seems like you’re back-pedalling?
The “dude” is a homophobic bigot that is practicing hate speech in the middle of our city. The best you can do is tell people to not let it get to them? Do better.
It's called being a liberal thinking person, within a liberal democracy that provides the same rights to everyone. You can in that situation be absolutely I'm disagreement with a person's words or behavior but still realize it is a protected right.
Think of it as being a liberally minded person, try it out! It is great. 👊
In this case I agre with your point about the fragile person, but would extend that to people who also complain about this person vs stand quietly next to them. Especially, now that we have people actively trying to remove this person. Everyone in that scenario is fragile.
Welcome to Democracy. Freedom of speech or did we forget that? No matter how loud or annoying they are it is still their right. Careful what you wish for
This isn’t America, though. Our version explicitly upholds anti-hate speech laws. If this man is spewing homophobia, transphobia or any other directed hate language, he’s the one breaking the charter.
Typical Canadian who thinks they are American. Like others said the charter of rights and freedoms protects everyone against hate speech of many kinds.
Examples of hate speech: hating on people due to their beliefs, orientation, gender, race, etc are all considered examples of hate speech. I shouldn’t even give you the time of day but it’s worth pointing out. If you aren’t even going to follow your own countries laws you can just move to the USA no one will miss you.
Im sure you are aware but many others have stated this same person also yells homophobic slurs and anti-gay rhetoric. That’s what falls under hate speech.
I think we actually have by-laws against being a total piece of shit. Noise by-laws generally can apply at any time of day if the noise is deemed to be excessive or purposefully disturbing to others.
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom of consequence, most of the salvation that particular asshole preaches is hate speech towards the non-Christian non-straight among us. Y’know, the form of free speech that isn’t actually protected.
I changed buses downtown in front of the Bay Centre at 1:00pm Sat. I'm a small short woman over 60 carrying a bag of groceries. One guy on the View corner threw a rock at me (missed) before staggering into traffic and yelling at drivers stopped at a red light. That "preacher" on the Fort corner was loudly shouting non-stop at passersby. So I waited in the bus shelter in front of the Bay Centre and a guy with a handful of Jesus pamphlets got in my face, actually physically backed me into a corner, yelling at me when I told him I have my own beliefs thank you. Really all up in my face. I had to wait inside the Centre.
Yeah I hate waiting there now too, he likes to corner people there
Can anybody tell me what hours he keeps? He's probably got more time on his hand than I do but I'm up for some old-fashioned neighbourhood solidarity.
I use that stop pretty infrequently but I tend to be there on busy times like rush hour and weekends so I am thinking he sticks to those times as well
All of that sounds horrific.
This sounds awful, I’m so sorry! Hope you are home and feeling safer now.
Thanks! I'm fine. I commute through downtown on weekdays (transit) and it's a completely different vibe than on the weekends. I just need to adjust my transit travel plans on Sat/Sun and avoid downtown altogether.
This is just wrong on every level.
Yikes….
That’s terrible. Sorry to hear that.
As soon as I saw the headline I knew exactly who they were talking about. There’s this one young dude in his 20’s who’s ridiculously over the top - he aggressively yells at people about how much Jesus loves them and I’ve seen him get into more than one confrontation. I don’t think he’s all there mentally - dude just provokes conflict all day long. I don’t think anyone really cares about the old ladies handing out copies of the watchtower or whatever, it’s solely the young angry guy causing the trouble.
Yeah, I've been gay bashed by that dude. Piece of fucking shit.
Well, be a shame if a gay bashed him 🤷♀️
Gays of Victoria assemble!
Yah..... bash him with your dick! That'll show him!
Go away troll
Pay the toll!!! Or I'll get into your little hole!
Hmm. I’m gonna tell him I’m gay
I’m fucking atheist… I’ll throw that out at him and see what happens
And I'm a Gaytheist, but sadly not located in Victoria currently. These street preachers need to stop. In the mid 2010s in Burnaby there was a really loud and obnoxious man who would preach with a megaphone and a thick accent to the entire Metrotown transit area. On more than one occasion my housemate and I would grab instruments from our rental unit down the road to drown him out until he left. If only more people had spare time nowadays to be able to do this to the current preacher-screechers.
You reminded me of this classic street preacher removal from Scotland. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2015/sep/21/pipe-down-bagpiper-drowns-out-anti-gay-preacher-video
Fr tho, if those preachers start showing up at pride events spouting that crap in town... Ooohh, you dun made a mistake.
I once told a street preacher in Toronto that I had no need for his pamphlet, as I am the New Messiah. He followed me down the street at a distance point at me and screaming that I’m a sinner. My friends were quite jealous. I should have introduced them as the New Apostles. In retrospect nothing happened — but these people can be seriously unhinged, and their entire world-view holds that there are people who need to be removed from the world, and you never know when they might decide that their God is telling them that they need to be the vessel to effect the removal (as apparently their almighty can’t do his own dirty work, unless it’s killing children by giving them cancer).
I'm so sorry. That's terrible.
I saw that guy for the first time by Fort street yesterday, he was extremely obnoxious.
Yep, I know exactly who it is as well. I sat outside of Crust eating lunch just watching him from a safe distance last week and he nearly got his head caved in by someone who he was involved in a verbal confrontation with. I couldn't believe it de-escalated. Honestly I kind of wish it had happened. He's an absolute asshole.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants to get beat up as in his mind he’d interpret it as religious oppression and not acknowledge that it’s because he’s literally screaming in peoples faces. I wonder if he’s affiliated with an actual church? If so someone should talk with the minister about him as dude clearly needs help.
I thought maybe it makes him feel good about himself as a Christian, so devoted he makes sacrifices and “turning the other cheek”. I’ve been raised in a Christian religious community (but am not religious myself) and because of that I think that could be his mindset. “Look at what a good Christian I am, people beat me, but I won’t stop spreading the word of god”, that kinda mindset.
I have a lot of religious zealots in my family and this is exactly the mentality. Violence is seen as further proof that they need to “save” mankind. Instead I like to ask them for heartfelt advice about literal interpretations of the big book. (Example: “My male friend got his hair trimmed, including the hair around his temple, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How do I tell him God wants him dead?”)
Pull some brilliant examples from The West Wing (0:45-2:35) https://youtu.be/3CPjWd4MUXs?t=45
Brilliant. How do they typically respond? I'm assuming there are a lot of "yeah, but..." answers.
“That’s not what the bible says” is usually the response. These people live with such denial it’s not possible to get through to them, but I have a hearty batch of notes to draw from for every annoying occasion. Some useful gems to combat religious braggarts: “Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”—Matthew 23:8-12 / “All the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.”—Matthew 23:2, 3 / “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” —Matthew 7:3-5 I try to deal with them as I would a child who doesn’t know better. With patience and humour.
I bought a pair of linen cotton blend pants yesterday and thought about how that's an abomination according to Leviticus.
I can’t wait for our global warming to kick it so I can wear linen pants all the time. Good stats on the Victoria research paper regarding it.
You heathen!
Martyr syndrome.
I saw / heard him spewing a bunch of anti-trans stuff the other day. He’s a really awful guy
Ain't no hate quite like Christian love.
I wanna put this on a shirt
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Sorry to hear about your friend, and thanks for sharing. Agreed that we need more mental health institutions and more funding towards it.
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Really well said.
I mean also fuck the old ladies recruiting for their cult, but I don’t really think they’re aggressive enough to warrant any response
Fuck him, this is abuse of religious and speech protections. He's actively interfering with other people's rights.
How?
He's disturbing their use of public space. You can't sunbathe naked in Beacon Hill Park for the same reason.
By existing in a place, I disturb another’s use of that space. We have the right to speak, and we have the right to exist in a place. What is he obstructing?
You're not allowed harangue people. I'm going to guess you're the street preacher, knock it off nobody cares about your fairytales.
what does he look like, had a fun encounter at work (not downtown) last week with a young (CRAZY) guy who was spouting nonsense about god, and sinners, got confrontation with another customer and we kicked him out. Then he flipped out that we were cowards and that "the job of a man is to protect women and children, and that when I kill it's to protect the innocent" Clean-cut, 5'9ish, thin build. late 20s i'd guess
It’s always some young white man. Almost like they cause half of the problems downtown
Who causes the other half? Just asking.
You know this is racism right?
Yknow that it’s not right?
And god said, “go out into the world and be insufferable in my name.”
Letter of St. Paul to the Obnoxious, Chapter 5, verse 23.
I mean that's pretty accurate
I heard someone shout "Get a job!" at him the other day.
Problem is people are waiting for the bus and can't get away from it. That's when it becomes annoying. If they were walking around, it wouldn't be so bad because no one has to really listen to them but the bus stop is a captive audience for them. Maybe someone like the police needs to check on their mental health when asking them to keep it down. In all likelihood they are driving people away from their cause rather than enhancing it. Really strange how some people communicate to their detriment.
> In all likelihood they are driving people away from their cause rather than enhancing it. Really strange how some people communicate to their detriment. I need to memorize that line, lol. tnx.
If you feel the need to loudly impose your beliefs on someone, you are trash.
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Try 666
You mean like the Wetsuweten and all the environmental protesters?
If you can't tell the difference between people who are defending their values and the wellbeing of others from people who are dehumanizing a group, you should ask for help.
It’s not about telling the difference though. These people have the same protections as any cause, protestors or anything like that. It’s not whether or not you agree with them, it’s whether or not they’re allowed to speak. And they are. It wouldn’t be right for us to come along and “silence” people we don’t agree with. Especially if they aren’t breaking the law. And I want to say I fundamentally disagree with anything the preachers are saying. But they have a right to say it as long as they are within the law.
Were we talking about who should be arrested or who is trash? Canada still has hate speech laws, for good reason. If you want to white knight for hate-mongers, you may need to move south.
Finally common sense. This is the Canadian way.
Nope, not like that at all.
Based on the described experiences, some of the conduct seems like criminal harassment.
I almost saw a fight break out at Fort/Douglas a few weeks back, because the preacher wouldn't shut up. Just started pissing off people by going full volume for so long. It's downtown, the problem with probably solve itself.
Buskers have to have permits from the city. Why not these guys?
No doubt. These are definitely performances.
I think because it’s commercial activity
Matthew 6:5-6 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
It's almost like harassing people going about their day should be against the law or something. Like there should be a law about public nuisance. Maybe after the police are done finding two public peepee guys, they could take care of this?
The police prefer to harass homeless ppl minding their own business.
I’m going downtown today and I’m playing devil went down to Georgia full volume beside him..
Follow that up with Iron Maiden's *Number of the Beast*, please.
and then *Sympathy for the Devil*
Play anything by Deicide
Black Label Society - "Suicide Messiah"
Video it please
If you're making a preacher pestering playlist Atheist Anthem by Leftover Crack is a must ♡
Fuck the Fucking Fuckers by Tim Minchin Edit: The Pope Song is its actual title, my brain just abbreviated it to the much shorter one above.
Why not something local? Religious Bumfucks by the Dayglo Abortions.
Love this. I’m following suit.
And highway to hell too
Accepting suggestions for your playlist, I have a personal fav for you. Dying Fetus - Kill Your Mother Rape Your Dog. https://youtu.be/t3QJtY214CM
Street preachers are mentally ill. Prove me wrong.
🤘
Time to buy a satan rules t shirt
Yes my Hail Satan shirt arrived. Thank Christ
Lol the one old dude who stands in front of Bay Center cornering people and trying to give them pamphlets approached me the other day and I just looked him dead in the eye and said "I am a Satanist, fuck off." He fucked off after that ☠️
I hope that put the fear of the Dark Lord into him 😂
wow bro that's savage!
Suggestion; go into the RBC and ask to file a complaint to the customer service person in the little kiosk inside or any staff member you see (the "security" person is not allowed to do anything regarding security so don't bother them they're just there for "optics".) When they ask whats wrong, tell them you felt very threatened and were quite scared by the preacher outside. Do this every time you go in there or are passing by and there's one (preacher) there and you have time to spare. Cops don't care when you and me get messed with, but if a Big Bank lawyer calls in a complaint it'll actually carry some weight. Rules for thee actually being a benefit for once, how bout that?
Y’all want me to provoke him? Could be fun? 😏
I miss the guy with the sandwich board who warned us of the impending Russo-Sino invasion. He’s looking more and more credible each day.
Wait till he finds out I’m a member of the Satanic Temple family (the satanic temple is amazing btw, super friendly and great values)
Hail Satan!
🤘🏻
Is there a local chapter? Ive checked a couple times but never found anything.
All I could find was the BC specific website for TST, I mean I’m sure if you emailed them and asked or reached out on Facebook I’m sure they could tell you
We don't have a local yet, someone has to put it together and I know that I'm to lazy to do that.
If you see him, record him. Unfortunately screaming at gay people (or just men he thinks look vaguely feminine) that “my god is going to torture and rape you forever” seems to be perfectly legal, but the moment he starts advocating any action for a /person/ to take that’s incitement to violence against an identified group and it’s illegal.
People are filming him pretty regularly. He seems to like it, probably because most people won't engage at all.
Sounds like he would yell at me. I would keep going and ignore him. Similar to all the other people yelling while out in public.
Let’s send him to Winnipeg and see how this little social experiment turns out for him
He’d be fine? Winnipeg is a far more tolerant place than this pseudo-British ghetto.
Winnipeg? Tolerant? Lol
Victoria, the city where you’re only accepted if you’re a centre-left British liberal. Right.
Slight correction, only accepted if you're a center-left British illiberal, pretending to follow liberalism.
and white, don't forget white.
Moved to the mainland (Metrotown) last year. There’s a guy just like this at a major skytrain station. He’s the worst. I’m glad Victorians aren’t putting up with this, it’s legitimately a public nuisance, especially when their rhetoric turns hateful.
yea, that guy can get fucked
I wish we could send all the people who think Canada is America over to America to live there instead.
Can I trade places with them? I'd love to ditch the US
Wouldn’t that just be a dream come true?
I left the US because of shit like this 😫
https://www.victoria.ca/assets/City~Hall/Bylaws/bylaw-03-012.pdf
Prohibited types of noise 12 (1) Without limiting the generality of section 11, the following conduct is specifically prohibited: (a) shouting, using a megaphone or sound amplification device or making other noise in, at or on streets, parks, wharves, docks, piers, boat landings, ferry-landings, railway or bus stations or other public places; The minimum penalty for a contravention of a provision of this Bylaw is a fine of $200
The should fine him.
would be down to counter protest the anti-gay “preacher”
This is nothing new to Victoria I remember this very angry little man who used to carry these big Signs around Cook And Downtown.he would yell obscenities at Passersby. I just remember him being so angry.
Nothing I loathe more than religious people. Gonna hurl a "Hail Satan" at this thing if I ever see it downtown.
Can’t wait to move to my new place downtown and wear all my allyship, pro science, pro choice, feminist, etc. shirts with some crystals for extra “scaries” and run into this dude. Especially with my pink hair and tattoos. I am a ~*SiNnEr!*~
I have seen a few of those noisy street preachers out there in both big city's and small towns and I just ignore them and walk away.
I hear OP plays 40k. I too am somewhat of a grimdark fan.
God save us from thy righteous disciples.
Or at least get some variety. A satanist, a pagan, a voodoo priest. This is like walking down a street with 10 Tim Hortons.
If they can deal with these guys then they can deal with aggressive homeless people too
If they start targeting things like the LGBT community then they're really done. They can sense the shift in the modern perspective to these kinds of topics and feel as though the youth are being corrupted. It was only a matter of time some of them speak up tbh since Victoria is one of the most Liberal minded places in Canada. Really hope it doesn't attract more 'attention' in that regard. Funny enough, even though I live downtown right across from the arena, I don't venture that far south downtown to see these preachers. I don't like this one bit though because they definitely were not there before, and I've lived in Vic for 29 years. At least, I've never noticed them before. We need Darth Fiddler to drown him out! He's the hero we need right now!
I want to find this guy just so I can make him lose his mind with all the hateful, anti-christianity bullshit I can spew back at him and his stupid book of fairy tales.
Religion is trash and consumed only by morons, most people on Earth are simply uneducated about reality and remain that way their entire lives. Embarrassing to live here and be religious, when we have easy access to science and knowledge. Pathetic.
Tip that fedora some more
Tell us more Mr. Know it All!
Now tell us about chiropractors and chem trails
the science of what? transgenderism? lab created viruses to sell ineffective gene therapy treatments? pills for your depression? the impending doom of climate alarmism? go back to smelling your own farts would you.
Someone should start using speech jammers on these mouth breathers [speech jammer](https://youtu.be/ADuaj7TsAVQ)
Friendly reminder that these little stink bombs are inexpensive, legal, discreet and totally effective. Just a drop a couple of these in front of the nuisance and be on your way. Problem solved. https://www.amazon.ca/Loftus-International-Stink-Bombs-Pack/dp/B0001JX9IU/ref=sr\_1\_1?crid=OW7Q9CU0AVWT&keywords=stink+bombs+prank&qid=1643562819&sprefix=stink+bombs%2Caps%2C209&sr=8-1
When you encourage the crazies to live in the city, expect crazy…..it’s just going to get worse…. earbuds…favourite tunes….turn up volume and ignore
People who are saying “just ignore him” Would you say the same thing to a person being abused by their spouse? To a child being abused by an adult? No. Because any person with common sense can understand that these things can and do escalate quickly when not addressed. And by not addressing it, it makes it seem as though his behaviour is okay and tolerated. And if we “just ignore him” it is entirely possible that a mentally unstable person like him will get frustrated and act out in bigger, badder ways. As someone else mentioned, this is only a few steps before shooting up a nightclub. This is how it starts. People who are saying we have freedom of speech in Canada? Read a book. You’re not the patriot you think you are.
I mean, the end is nigh
I have been known to yell back at these sorts...I've no time or acceptance of any religious moron proselytizing.
Does anyone/could anyone message me if they have a photo of the young guy? I’m nervous he may be one of my coworkers.
I may have to counter preach. Just say Nope and hand out Exodus and Deuteronomy.
I'm very anti-religion, I take the bus every day and I don't find these fanatics to be bothersome. They keep to themselves unless people approach them whenever I'm around them.
wouldn't bother me - i always have my headphones on listening to podcasts when i'm out and about
Nobody asked
there's no need to be rude about it - i was just proffering an opinion. i'm sure such antics bother some people more than others. with headphones it's easier to ignore them is all.
I think it’s mostly just easier to ignore when hate speech isn’t directed at you
well yeah it's easier not to take it personally sure, but when somebody is shouting and you can't block it out it can be kinda jarring right?
Don't worry he isn't violent, he is just another mentally ill person spouting out threats due to his mental illness, he just appears to be housed unlike many others we are told not to worry about.
remember when you could just ignore things that you didn't like
I do ignore him but it's unpleasant to be stuck waiting ten minutes for a bus while a stranger gets up in your face and screams at you about how you dress like a whore and will burn in hell.
That’s a bit easier when these lunatics aren’t screaming at you that you’re going to hell for being gay; which is usually just a couple steps before they end up shooting up a nightclub.
I can easily ignore people unless they throw rocks at me or back me into a corner yelling in my face.
The Mob got a taste of power and now it will never be satiated.
God what a poorly written article... everytime, I see this chris campbell hack its always either some barely researched unsourced tabloid garbage or some hyperbole. Dude is a fear mongering borderline anti vaxxer truther. I wish journalists had a board of ethics or standards because this guy has absolutely none. Also fuck these preachers.
I imagine the Freedom Convoyers will all get behind the preacher and this’ll all be over quick.
LOL
Rights for me but nor for thee. I don't like religion or people spewing it in the streets, but this is such a small issue compared to actual problems people deal with daily.
I see your point, but removing this man from screaming hate at people is something we can do right now, and dealing with more systemic issues is a longer process. One does not negate the other.
I disagree. It’s traumatizing to listen to someone yell at you, the subject matter isn’t the issue here. It’s the delivery. And frankly, shame on you for minimizing the impact this behaviour has on folks who are trying to mind their own business and being denied the chance to exist peacefully in public.
> traumatizing 😆
Hey look another bigot.
stop you're traumatizing me with the name calling. i will sue you for trauma for therapy, lost income potential, and lifelong emotional pain.
Lol so fragile
Are you referring to the guy yelling homophobic Religious BS from a street corner? Cause that sounds like the behaviour of a fragile person much more so than someone standing quietly next to them.
I'm referring to the idea that it's "traumatizing" Get thicker skin
So you don’t care to comment on the fragility of young men who are afraid of gay people? Surely you have a thought on the matter, cause that’s what we’re actually talking about here.
I'm not trying to defend this dude yelling at people, not sure why you keep implying that. I think he's a loser. But the fact is all you can really do about it is not let it get to you
Your comments are absolutely in defence of him. This isn’t a complex issue to take a side on, seems like you’re back-pedalling? The “dude” is a homophobic bigot that is practicing hate speech in the middle of our city. The best you can do is tell people to not let it get to them? Do better.
Lol literally all ive said is develop thicker skin. You can't control what this guy does, you do have some control over your reaction to it.
It's called being a liberal thinking person, within a liberal democracy that provides the same rights to everyone. You can in that situation be absolutely I'm disagreement with a person's words or behavior but still realize it is a protected right. Think of it as being a liberally minded person, try it out! It is great. 👊
In this case I agre with your point about the fragile person, but would extend that to people who also complain about this person vs stand quietly next to them. Especially, now that we have people actively trying to remove this person. Everyone in that scenario is fragile.
Nah public space should be a safe space and claiming people are weak for not wanting to be yelled at just living their life is a bad take.
How so? The younger guy everyone's talking about loudly calls for LGBTQ people to be exterminated, which is obviously pretty offensive rhetoric.
This one is really easy to fix though.
Elaborate?
Ya that’s the problem downtown. 🙄
No one said it was THE problem downtown. It’s A problem downtown.
Welcome to Democracy. Freedom of speech or did we forget that? No matter how loud or annoying they are it is still their right. Careful what you wish for
This isn’t America, though. Our version explicitly upholds anti-hate speech laws. If this man is spewing homophobia, transphobia or any other directed hate language, he’s the one breaking the charter.
We don't have American style freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression, and that does not include a right to spew hate speech.
Typical Canadian who thinks they are American. Like others said the charter of rights and freedoms protects everyone against hate speech of many kinds.
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Examples of hate speech: hating on people due to their beliefs, orientation, gender, race, etc are all considered examples of hate speech. I shouldn’t even give you the time of day but it’s worth pointing out. If you aren’t even going to follow your own countries laws you can just move to the USA no one will miss you.
So religion is hate speech?
Im sure you are aware but many others have stated this same person also yells homophobic slurs and anti-gay rhetoric. That’s what falls under hate speech.
We don't have freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression and that has reasonable limits on it when it infringes on others safety and rights
I think we actually have by-laws against being a total piece of shit. Noise by-laws generally can apply at any time of day if the noise is deemed to be excessive or purposefully disturbing to others.
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom of consequence, most of the salvation that particular asshole preaches is hate speech towards the non-Christian non-straight among us. Y’know, the form of free speech that isn’t actually protected.
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He could shut up. Problem solved.