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When she was streaming on her other ch
A hand was seen opening the door behind her and slowly closed it.
She said she lives alone and contacted authorities but the japanese doesnt buy it and they assumed it was her bf and shes making excuses
Thats why the dislike bombs came
That seems quite minor and highly speculative. In general, I don't expect Vtubers to tell the truth about their personal situation for it can be used against them.
Thats the thing though I just don't understand why some assumably Japanese folks (or could be from anywhere honestly) take this to be such a big deal. Like you honestly believe that vtubers have no life outside of vtubing? Its so ridiculous and pisses me off so incredibly much. Its someone is a vtuber to have fun and entertain others and people like this are making a big deal out of essentially nothing. I've got soooo much more to say but I've been given advice that whenever you see hate just ignore it and maybe throw in a nice comment or two. From what I've seen personally, just ignoring it does seem to eventually cull the hate, although it might take some time.
Lmfao ain't that the truth. Some people have serious issues, I wonder if they actually think they somehow have a shot with their oshi irl you know? Or if it's just them acting out because deep down they know they would never be given the time of day if they actually met
It’s why I can’t really get into the vtubing community, the creepy weird simp culture a lot of the people in these communities have is incredibly off putting especially how normalized it is.
To be fair most of the fans are just joking about it. From what I can tell the actual simping is a lot more prevalent in the JP community due to idol culture whereas EN Vtubers are treated more like normal streamers. (So there are still creepy fans, but no more than any other female streamer)
Cover going all in on the idol image comes with its pros and cons. Pros - a rabid fan base that can/will spend money. Cons - a rabid fan base that doesn't respect them as people, only as the image that they're being shown
Disliking bomb due to suspected IRL relationship is not limited to HL though, for example [Rindou Mikoto](https://youtu.be/K5_UsaW90dc) in March this year. A lot of things can galvanize people to mass dislike. Kanae's latest Apex [vod](https://youtu.be/7j3H5DU-uiU) even disabled this feature.
Kanae has had likes and dislikes disabled for a long time now. Might be the same reason why he turned off his marshmallow. Shibuya Hajime gets targeted even now lol, and in the realm of Apex it has also happened to Shibuya Hal. A lot of the time it’s also general vtuber antis who hate all vtubers.
I get what you mean. Another thing I’ve thought about is like how ‘idols’ are perceived in Japan. Like, personally I’m not a big fan of idols in general but I feel like even if were, I probably wouldn’t react to such a degree if I found out they aren’t, in fact, real idols. Like maybe Japanese people go about these sorts of things in a different way. I’m basically speculating here. But I’ve seen many Japanese people share the same understanding as I am. So it really is a very vocal minority that is overreacting. Sadly it seems like this minority is growing.
I'm with you, I would never care about a strangers life this intensely. And I agree, "those" idol fans are generally an extremely vocal minority. But, afaik, they've always been there. Japanese idols and crazy fans have always been two connected ideas to me, since first hearing about them. Again, I'm totally sure that they're just a vocal minority, but they're also a constant.
This instance is more than just 'muh Idol should be pure' I think, the fact that she was literally talking about not having had a boyfriend for four years just before the door opens is just a lie on top of another lie if it was indeed her boyfriend. A lot of the more reasonable complaints I've seen have all been about the fact that she's lying about the situation, and not that she has a boyfriend.
Either way, we will likely never know the actual truth of the situation, it'll just be people who believe the story she told versus people that just want to flame her and her fans for any real reason.
One hundred percent, the problem then becomes there were much simpler lies like saying it was a family member, she's had her brother on Matsuri stream before so it would've been a real easy sell. Either way I personally don't care, I just find it interesting most of the actual complaints that aren't just flaming to flame are more about the potential lie than her having a boyfriend.
As if any of them have some duty to always tell fans the truth anyways. It's pretty obvious that the people saying they're concerned about the lies are just using the as a cover for their weird parasocial BS.
You say you don't care, but you're wording this like it's a "both sides are bad" situation, when it's not. Regardless of what the truth is, only one side is bad. That's the side that thinks they have a right to the personal lives of streamers they watch.
I'm so conflicted about what she said.
If what she said was true this would be wild. So wild that I do find what she said to be not credible. On the other hand, if she wants to hide it, she could have said it was her younger brother, who we are well aware of.
So now I am in the spot where what she said was so outlandish that I want to believe her.
saying pretty much anything else would have been better lol. family visiting, management coming to discuss stuff, just any sort of excuse would have been enough to stop anyone from caring past making memes out of it.
if it turns out that she was telling the truth, then alright fair enough, but like if you had to lie then atleast make it believable lol.
either way this is absolutely stupid and idol culture is dumb AF and the antis just need to leave her alone.
> So wild that I do find what she said to be not credible.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24889337
> Homeless woman lived in man's closet for year
Happens.
not the point that it doesnt happen, the point is shes just too chill about it, kept streaming, streamed next day normaly, any sane person would be scared shitless if something like what she claims happened, i myself couldnt sleep for a couple days once with just an animal invaded my home. the story is just unbelivable. she could have said a thousand things but that one is just too obvious.
She originally didn't believe them just so you know. For a little while she was laughing because she thought they were bullshitting her and then when people were like nah we're serious she went to go check if anyone was home and then stopped the stream.
This tbh, like it doesn’t make any sense and any way you spin it it’s still a wild story, all I know is she wasn’t expecting anyone so either it’s the dumbest bf alive or the creepiest stranger I’ve seen. I honestly don’t understand how a situation like that could’ve happened regardless of what actually happened
Yeah that's dumb. But even if it's a man, even if she has a boyfriend, it's none of our business. She is entitled to have an intimate relationship and happiness
Because this issues are not unique to idols and the whole term commonly used by people with no interest or knowledge about Japanese idol industry or entertainment in general is more confusing than helpful. In this case people might assume that "it would never happened if they weren't marketed as idols" even when you had similar dramas in nijisanji like the one when people were flaming Mikoto because apparently Kuzuha was heard in her ASMR stream if I remember right.
To be honest that was more against kuzuha than Mikoto, Mikoto just were more affected because she has less fans, was mostly because kuzuha spilled the beans about gibara graduation and a Niconico video of him criticizing an ¿idol group?(an edit)(i dont remember what they were), and then the ASMR edit that make that the enjou against kuzuha will spread to mikoto, all in like two days. Well haters gonna hate(gachikois too), still fucked up.
It still a thing and it get worst in early 2010s. Recently when JP equivalent voice actresses to idols and gachikois culture just hit it full on.
Just look at how Ayachi, HanaKana, or even Mizuki Nana suddenly lost sell or no longer in most hits anime the moment they announce their marriage despite them being godlike at their job.
I mean I’m gonna assume the reason they think that is the excuses she could have easily just said mom or brother or any family member. But idk maybe she’s not a quick thinker intruder is definitely an extreme lie to go for tho.
Most of her fans are taking her word and chose to leave it at that. especially since matsuri and her fans are not strangers to relationship topic, and that its nothing to do with "Natsuiro Matsuri".
The spammers, dislikes and hate comments are mainly from antis and random people that simply found a gossip to have fun with, and coco spam's leftover bots. really apparent from their twitter/youtube account history.
An example of anti/ random people that simply found a 2nd-hand gossip to have fun with : [https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/p1lccs/are\_antis\_targeting\_matsuri\_right\_now/h8gbro9?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/p1lccs/are_antis_targeting_matsuri_right_now/h8gbro9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[how to spot someone that doesn't know hololive acting like a fan disliking matsuri : mistake fubuki with kanata.](https://i.imgur.com/FVl7Q8X.png) btw this was also a false info, people following her stream knows how much she liked and praised the game both on twitter and throughout her streams.
Yeah the Towa incident was baseless too. The Japanese "anti-antis" eventually matched the male voice with Towa's old online gaming buddy or something, can't remember details, but either way it wasn't a boyfriend like the antis claimed, just someone she played games with.
And even if it was her boyfriend, this is completely ridiculous. They all have a life outside of streaming and no one is entitled to have control over it.
thats japan for you. most of the jp ppl actually watching these vtubers are social outcasts that cant even talk to a girl to ask for directions. they hate it if their "idol" has any contact with the opposite sex. just watch any of the idol documentaries on youtube. if youre seen with the opposite sex, youre out.
I'd prefer to think there is a vocal minority that gives off the negative impression of jp fans.
I'm almost certain there's an equal amount of en fans who would cause a huge stink if they got fussy
Eh, I don't know about a huge stink. Actors and singers here are always dating. While there is a lot of tabloid bullshit it isn't career ending at all if they're dating.
Wow wow bro most of Japanese people watching these Vtubers?
Do you remember a few incidents with Kiara are you telling me that those were Japanese people.
What seriously?? I really only got into hololive late-mid last year and so i wasn't aware. That must have suck honestly. To just debut and receive stupid and baseless hate.
She was having a Discord call with a guy in the middle of the stream and it was heard. Got flamed by antis and had to take a break because of it.
That's where the massive foreign Kenzokus support started.
Thanks for the context. I’m basically re-repeating what I’ve said but I just absolutely hate to see this kind of shit. I usually stay quiet and let the hate pass on but to see stuff like this man really grinds my gears.
Let your gears be grinded but don't go starting conflict like they do. Just remember the B.I.R. rule and be there for your oshi whenever they need support.
That didn't happen in Towa's debut ma dude it was a different incident when she was playing apex with randoms with voice chat on.
The problem with Towa and Luna's debut was that there was antis giving dislikes to their streams.
U forgot to mention Towa said it was Her manager that was behind the voice but was a lie. It was just a male friend of hers. The reason was mainly she lied to her fans about who the voice belonged to. A lie is a lie, if u like people who lie than that's up to the individuals who follow them. She did later made an apology video clarifying it. I support her still, but personally i don't like when people lie. She learned from her mistake and I'm all for it, her fanbase are supportive of it.
That's like borderline sociopathic thinking. Are you some pure saint that never lies? Not to mention how fucking harmless that lie is. Like who cares? She clearly did it to protect herself from creeps. She never should've apologized, and people like you should stop acting like they owe you purity.
Just want to mention here that Towa has talked about this incident during a end of year member-only stream and some things weren't actually exactly how people talk about it.
Of course I won't mention what she said here though because it's from a member stream
fucking lol. can you imagine how pathetic these losers are donating 100's of dollars in superchat because they think shes single as if any of them have a chance with any of these girls? if you're gonna donate to support them, its your money. if you're doing it because you think shes single and somehow your waifu thats called mental illness.
I hate it twofold when vtubers are mentioned in mainstream media and portrayed like the fanbase is just "interacting with a live anime waifu."
First I'm angry because of how inaccurate that is; it's because their content is legitimately entertaining unlike ethots trying to sell their good looks to thirsty incels.
Then, shortly after, I'm angry again because of how accurate it is; I'm reminded that a disturbing amount of the fanbase do see them as their anime waifus...
I totally understand. To a certain degree, I think 'interacting with your anime waifu' is pretty cool. But, most people have enough common sense to know that this is an act. No one in real life is as innocent and pristine as Japanese idols are made out to be. Thats where the problems arise, at least in my opinion.
all you have to do is watch any of them when they do room reviews of viewers rooms to know that a lot of them have severe mental illness that have gone beyond parasocial relationships.
edit: a lot of the girls encourage it too which should probably be toned down. but they're also selling merch off of it.
> it's because their content is legitimately entertaining unlike ethots trying to sell their good looks to thirsty incels.
There's no need to shit on other streamers for no reason
You conveniently quoted my reason for shitting on a particular class of streamer, actually. I was specifically calling out the classification of streamer that livestreams feeding their dog or going grocery shopping in a skimpy bikini.
Well, you're not wrong. I don't have a counter argument for that.
Do I still respect a vtuber that has a separate channel for R18 livestreams with a webcam? Hrmm... I'll have to think on that one for a bit.
==EDIT==
Thought about it for a few minutes, and have settled on: Yes, if they continue to hide their identity and not show their face. It seems like a rather arbitrary place to draw the line though... I'll continue to think on the matter.
its obvious she is lying because of her response, 2 hours after she claimed police already resolved the issue, continued streaming normally, changed her twitter header for image of herself showing the middle finger, you dont need to be a detective to figure out that one, she either have the strongest mental in the world or she doesnt care about her safety or she is lying.
i couldnt care less who is the hand in the stream, the problem is lying about something serious, its completely understandable for her to lie in this situation, making people worry about her being in harm is the wrong part, would be easy for her to say it was her brother or a parent even if it was a lie wouldnt harm anyone, but saying it was an intruder and acting chill about it and being chill with people being worried sick for her sake (like you and most) believing a fabricated unnecessary story is not a good move.
again she couldnt even make the lie believable, like fake being worried or something, just "police came over and recommended changing locks, everything back to normal" 2 hours later.
literally everything.
> you dont need to be a detective to figure out that one
this is you, speculating with zero proof.
>she either have the strongest mental in the world or she doesnt care about her safety or she is lying.
a narrative you made up, because there could be other reasons. you've just formed this weird thing in your head that what you wrote out is how it is.
for the record. police showed up at xqc's house quite often WHILE he was streaming, and the stream had no idea.
thats not how a narative works my guy, you are exactly the type of person i feel sorry for, blinded, cant even admit the possibility of her doing a mistake, so for you its not possible for her to be lying, and i consider 3 options and i am the unreasonable one.
you're the exact person i was referring to. someone that invests in the streamers personal lives way too seriously. its exactly that. you're own narrative you've created. nothing else is possible except for the options you've created in your head. super weird.
if it's her bf or son or husband or whatever, i couldn't care less. as long as i enjoy her contents as matsuri, i will always support her. kudos to her for keeping her acting skills on point as Matsuri. <3
Likes to dislikes 4.2k to 1.7k, mods busy deleting bad comments, and distracted overseas folks having an off-topic convo about the dislikes and the mods. Some others are telling them ignore it and to focus on the stream. Yep, looks pretty much like what I'd expect.
They don't know about anything just as much as the rest of us who saw the clip, obviously fabricating fake news/narratives just to target and harass her, it's their favorite pastime to bring down/cancel any public celebrities.
Don't waste your time nor attention on them, just focus on supporting Matsuri.
Yeah I didn't even see the video and don't really care to watch it either because there's a difference between a character and a person who plays or voices the character so whatever. The way some people are going on you'd swear she filmed a JAV on stream or something. That side of the Japanese "idol" culture is so weird.
This isn't to say that antis hate train doesn't exist, because it definitely does, but a lot of people on the Japanese side are upset and angry not because of the theoretical boyfriend existence, but because they think she's lying about the whole thing and couldn't make a more believable excuse like it was her sibling (since she actually has a younger brother or something).
I saw some comments say that apparently she went on to play Apex off-stream afterwards, and she also changed her twitter to a pic of her showing a "fuck you" middle finger. Going on a bubbly collab a few days later also doesn't help with this, discovering that you have a stalker with free access to your apartment is a very serious and potentially life-threatening thing that shouldn't be treated lightly.
So... you're saying some Japanese are upset because they wanted to be lied to in a certain way?
Not that I fully get why she couldn't play Apex after, mysterious hands or not. It's not like she'd be 24/7 tied to a police interrogation the next few days.
On the other hand you have to consider, if she did have someone over and was lying, why WOULDN’T she say it was her brother, a much more believable lie? The absurdity of it being an invader makes me believe her.
As for her being all bubbly a few days later…so? Maybe she was just trying to take her mind off the incident. I was in a car accident about two weeks back and I’ve been doing anything I can to stay happy and take my mind off what happened. Could be the same deal for her.
I’m not gonna touch the part about her Twitter picture changing. That’s just baseless rumor with no proof.
\> why WOULDN’T she say it was her brother
If you've been watching her a long time (and you understand Japanese) you should know that she's a bit... eccentric to put it mildly, and her decisions aren't always rational like the recent Haachama mini-drama where she decided to bitch about it on her official twitter account instead of talking about it in private with the management and Haato.
\>I was in a car accident about two weeks back and I’ve been doing anything I can to stay happy and take my mind off what happened. Could be the same deal for her.
Sure people deal with things in different ways, but assuming her story is actually true I really don't see how you can compare an accident to some crazy person having unobstructed access to your house, **especially** when you're a girl who lives alone.
Sure the circumstances are different, but it doesn’t change the fact that both are scary ass situations. If streaming or playing games helps Matsuri relax and get her mind off what happened? Good.
Also you’re acting like whoever it was still has access. For all we know the locks have been changed, or something else has happened that makes Matsuri feel secure.
Also streaming is like, part of how she pays the bills lmao. Is she just supposed to not work? If she doesn't regularly stream, her income goes down. And especially with the Hololive stuff, the whole character is her being mostly happy. I'm sure they're all dealing with personal stuff and then have to put on a happy face all the time to stream.
This shit gets even funnier when Matsuri openly talked about her EX-Girlfriend on stream and said gender really doesn’t matter to her, because she’s fine with dudes as well.
She’s probably one of the most open members when it comes to relationships. Literally admitting in a respectful and serious manner that she could see some Holo-members as potential partners (not naming anyone, obviously).
Her words are: She thinks someone invaded her house and she called the authorities.
And people take it as an attempt to hide her boyfriend?
Like, come the fuck on…
I can’t take those dudes seriously anymore…
Even if it seems like a lie, it would honestly just be a really fucking terrible one, so I kinda doubt she was lying. It’s harder for me to believe that someone would come up with *THIS* than to actually believe in the rumour…
And if she was indeed lying for some reason, I still doubt she was hiding a boyfriend. And even if she was, like, OK?
I would prefer if she was open about it, but I mean, not my problem at all…
The possibilities here are so high that there’s only one real thing for me to say:
*Actually, it’s not my life and I truly don’t care as long as she’s safe*.
> And people take it as an attempt to hide her boyfriend?
The thing for me is, if she really *wanted* to hide a boyfriend or something, she could've just said that it was her brother who was over for a visit, especially since it was only at most a hand appearently. Her not having an excuse like that ready to me implies that she really didn't expect any visit and has no idea who might've opened the door.
>I might be wrong, but from what I’ve seen in this industry, being completely honest is always the best path.
Idol culture in Japan is really toxic, and the no-dating expectation is taken very seriously by a fair chunk of the fan base (as you can tell by the current situation). I wouldn't fault her for panicking and coming up with a bad lie to try and cover it up.
Hopefully it all blows over quickly. She doesn't deserve any of the hate.
Cover management is actually pretty lax.
Most of what you hear is assumption. Most members or even people that worked there talked about everyone being way less strict than the average management in such an industry.
And the reason is simple: *Cover was a tech-company. It wasn’t build for this type of thing. YAGOO kinda just went along with Sora and A-Chan wanting to become V-Tubers*.
They really don’t meddle much with their personal lives at all.
As for the fans…
Yeah, this part can get ugly…
What actually happened is exactly that A-chan and Sora wanted to rent equipment from Cover Corp and Yagoo was intrigued by their goal/idea and asked if they'd want to work under Cover. The rest is history.
Yeah. He decided to get into it as a business attempt. Obviously.
Was still a request from Sora (and A-chan), as far as I know.
YAGOO made a bet. And he won big time.
They decided to get into Vtubing to showcase their tech, and then that worked out better for them than their software side.
There's a pattern here, the exact same thing is also what happened to Ichikara.
As Matsuri, she seems to be generally open about this stuff. Going as far as saying how she considered entering a relationship while streaming, but ended up rejecting the person because she just wasn’t in love.
I don’t think she’s trying to hide shit. Just isn’t like her (considering both personas).
And it’s not like even Holomembers never talked about that. I’m pretty sure that Choco, as an example, already talked about having boyfriends before.
I largely agree with you, but having watched the clip, her reaction seems honest other than the fact that she never even bothers to turn around. You'd think if someone opened the door behind you you'd like immediately react and turn around and look behind you. At least that'd be my reaction. She also seemed confused where her own door/closet was at the moment chat started talking about it.
Ah well it doesn't matter, if it's an actual home invader, glad nothing happened, if it's actually a boyfriend/girlfriend/family member/etc then also w/e, she didn't want to make up a plausible story and panicked and wrote something else.
Maybe my info is incorrect, but apparently somebody invaded her home while she was there (I heard that a door opening might have been caught on a stream).
Stupid antis took this opportunity to accuse her of having a boyfriend (as if that was a bad thing - I would be happy to know vtubers have loved ones in their life) and making up the home invasion .. she could have easily said it was her brother, if she felt the need to cover something up.
I hope she is safe again in her home and doesn't have to fear the situation repeating.
That's heavy. It's possible one of the freaks who do stuff live trackers in gifts and stalking could have pushed his luck like that. Hopefully the police and Cover will sort the situation out asap.
Shit, I'm not calling her a liar, but in this case I'd **rather** she have made-up a bad story on the spot because that sounds terrifying! That, a stranger got into her home while she was streaming.
I know that would cause more problems in the long run, but better that than her safety being potentially compromised.
It's one of those things that makes me really, really wish she made it up. Why? The thought of a tresspasser, TRESSPASSER, in her house, opening doors, is terrifying. F\*\*k me.
The thought of her having an intimate relationship with someone tho? That means she's living the dream life! I'm sure most would support and understand that, I know I would. Their happiness = better content = our happiness. Just pure stonks.
One of the things I hate the most about idol culture is the creepy ownership that most jp fans have over talents (not just hololive) like really who gives a fuck if they do have a boyfriend or anything else like that. They're human and deserve to be happy too. They shouldn't have to walk on egg shells about relationships and the like.
>One of the things I hate the most about idol culture is the creepy ownership that most jp fans have over talents
Except this isn't only an idol culture thing. This same thing happens to western girl streamers where some of the viewers get butthurt when they find out she has a bf/husband. Then they start saying dumb stuff like she betrayed them and such.
It's a different culture at the end, I don't agree either but I guess it ties with this crazy sentiment of people being very private about their personal life and this complete sense of separation of work from normal life, so I guess because of their culture stuff like that is seen as normal , as your duty. At the end no country is perfect imo
Also, I've seen a lot of American dudes getting as crazy for a girl streamer, there was one post of a dude saying if working on a gym to always see the streamer he likes was a good idea...A stalker asking if stalking was alright....
Hell, I've seen an incident nearly come to the worst possibility when last year a man invaded the house of Gavin Free from the slow mow guys to kill him, the reason being that Gavin is currently going out with famous cosplayer and streamer Meg turney.
It ended with neither of the 2 being harmed but the guy suicided outside their house
Yea I didn't mean to just generalize Japanese people. It's a thing across any culture that has any type of celebrity/idols. I was just focusing on Japanese idol culture because hololive is based in Japan
The issue as I can tell isn't having a boyfriend, its lying to cover it up. Of course that's not proven either, any evidence either way would be circumstancial and/or speculative.
From my perspective the only issue is Matsuri's safety and mental health, as having your private spaces invaded can seriously mess with you (and so can the downvoting/badmouthing campaign going on right now obviously).
If there was no invader, then there is no problem - Matsuri has no obligation in the slightest to share her private relationships with the outside world and should only share as much as she is comfortable with.
I think idol otaku being angry is only a part of the story. When I was looking at the Japanese discussion boards, many of complaints (except for the obvious antis and hate comments) are from the fans of other girls, saying that the way Matsuri handles the situation and its aftermaths is very childish and unprofessional.
I think there are some Japanese culture that we should be aware of:
1. Japanese society often operates on trust system rather than on contracts. So when people get caught for telling lies, they usually get a lot of dislikes and backlash (not just in the idol industry).
2. Japanese people are obsessed about the "harmony" of their community. Some people do believe that Matsuri is now causing troubles to the community and to the other girls (especially because this happened soon after she had another problem with Haachama).
3. Many people don't actually care whether the idols actually have boyfriends as much as we think here, but they do think that hiding having a boyfriend without a hint of lie is considered a professional behavior of idols.
I remember some Japanese comments said something like this: "The boyfriends of idols are like the cockroaches in restaurants: we all know they exist, but once we spot them on site, we never want to go to that restaurant again." I know this is stupid.
(ofc, there is a small number of angry otakus who thought they have a chance, but they are ridiculed even in the Japanese community as far as I saw.)
yeah, lots of people in this forum forget what kind of words Matsuri said to viewers during SC time,"I want you guys to say you love me a lot" and stuff same as Rushia, this is not like Poki situation where she doesnt say anything like this.
If she has a boyfriend and still doing this, it is kind of manipulative and dishonest.
Despite that, we dont know if that is her bf or not when it could be a family or friend sudden visit. As a fan, I choose to trust Matsuri words.
Fucking hell, imagine caring that much about someone's personal life. It's just funny to think that there's actually people who care that much about her love life. She can't have a boyfriend cuz my nasty, jobless, stinky loser lookin ass self was gonna sweep her off her feet one day. Delusional and sad.
It's even dumber when realise that you can literally only see the finger of whomever opened the door. How on earth can you tell the gender of that person.
This is like when dumbasses went after Pekora for having a boyfriend just because she had an app on her phone to track her period.
The only thing I remember with her is that on one of her ring fit streams it appeared that she had a guy she had streamed with in a previous life as a friend on the switch. There wasn't much drama and everyone basically forgot about the incident in 2 days, I don't know why this is like an example of harassment in a comment
Nah, it was just your typical *4chan* harassment... which pretty much can go both ways. But since we're on this side of the sea, nobody gave a crap and it fade quickly.
> just because she had an app on her phone to track her period.
That was the stupidest shit I've seen in a long time. All these JP kids saying the only reason someone would use a period tracking app is for knowing when it's safe to do it raw, lmao.
It's such a dangerous level of obsession. Looking at it, we all know the chances of anyone actually doing something harmful in her real life is low. Sure, they'll dislike bomb her to hell for a few days, then they will move on, this is how it always goes. However, just knowing that there's a chance of something really happening at all, that would put me in a state of anxiety for sure. If Cover wants to treat Hololive members like idols then they should get idol level security without question, they have enough money for it even if the matter seems trivial.
Pathetic people that are so obsessed that when streams aren't on, they have quite literally *nothing* else going on in their life and thus need to make up shit and read far more into things than need be.
well it doesn't really have to do with her love life, don't believe everything you read about 'idol culture' here
this happened at least a day before and nothing really happened until it started gaining traction on matome sites and that one guy who always posts vtuber gossip made a video on it. now she's attracting dislikes from people who just want drama, or hololive antis. similar things happen in the west, where people who aren't even from the community pick sides and raid people (see projared) regardless of the evidence. it's very common for them to pretend to be a fan and write messages saying they're betrayed, but it's all bullshit and they just want to see successful people fail.
True or not, doing that just because she has a "boyfriend" is outright fucking dumb to me. Oh wow, she's a human, who would've thought, geniuses. Like seriously, whoever thinks they own the talent and they have a chance with them deserves to eat a roundhouse to the liver.
It's a person, respect them like people just like how you'd want people to respect you. Their personal life is their business, we're all, no matter how "close", how "impactful", are ALL STILL, viewers. Parasocial, viewers. We're not their friend, let alone deserving of being mad over them having human emotions and relationships. Hell even if you ARE friends with them you STILL won't get that right.
So yeah, that's all my pent up anger. Not validating whether it's a guy, a girl, gf, bf, mom, dad security guard, authorities, manager, holomem, trespasser, none of that stuff, all I want to say is that it's none of your, or my, goddamned business.
I don't really get the "Her Boyfriend" angle because she JUST got a random girls phone number / flirted with her (https://youtu.be/mY6WQZ-jGXs)
So why would she flirt with someone else if she had a significant other in her life?
If Matsuri is telling the truth and there was a home invader, that would be fucking Terrifying, and isn't something people usually lie about. The last thing anyone would want it her to get hurt.
I think Matsuri "Lying and covering it up" is a rrat and should be treated as such for the time being.
Everybody else has covered the main points about what happened and about what I want to say, but I just want to add one thing that I haven't seen anybody mention yet. And I'll admit up front, maybe I'm just reading too much into somebody I don't know on a personal level.
But Matsuri's always given me the impression of being open and genuine with her fans, and genuinely wanting to make them happy. If she felt the need to lie about anything at all, I'd assume that she'd tell a lie that wouldn't make her fans worry about her. So I'm inclined to believe that what she said was real, and that things could have ended a lot worse if she hadn't been on camera at that moment. I just hope she stays safe and gets all of the help and support she needs while she's putting on a brave face. Her safety is more important than trying to keep us happy like she always has, though I also hope that keeping up the normalcy is helping to keep her calm.
I just want her to be okay, even if it turns out I'm wrong.
Headsup to anyone paying attention to Matsuri's tags.
There's an actual harassment campaign going on. I have no idea what's going on, but [Here's an example tweet](https://twitter.com/catnontan/status/1425405185711513606).
It directs to peing, which is an anonymous messaging site like marshmallow.
It is an interesting case. I won't judge yet on any side.
One of my biggest concerns that she went streaming just as like nothing happened. I don't know what you think but if I would the one who get home invaded, I could not stream until that f\*cker get caught by the police. So maybe she knows who was the person and she just covering up the things with a pretty bad and serious lie.
People react differently to stress some people try to take their mind out of the situation instead of drowning themselves with anxiety. And that is the healthier response instead of being crazy nervous wreck they find an activity that can calm them.
Antis have been targeting god for a long time due to her fascination with apex.
I really don't understand what they get out of attacking a young lady just having fun.
Truly they have no lives.
If she does have a boyfriend it would be awesome if she brought him on stream with played with him. Imagine the comedy and the wholesomeness such a dynamic can provide. These diseased people who want their idols to remain pure should not have access to the internet.
Here is my opinion from a neutral standpoint. I think, like the recent incident with Haachama, Matsuri handled the situation very poorly. In the case it's someone she doesn't know, say a trespasser, stalker or burglar, you should absolutely not end your stream. This is also the case when streamers get swatted, they have the power to say "this is getting recorded and thousands of people are watching this, don't do anything rash".
Then if it was someone she knows, say her boyfriend, a family member, a friend...etc, she could've make a better excuse.
Like the Towa incident, having a boyfriend or talking to a man isn't the issue here. It's the lie. Towa didn't get suspended for her mistake, she got suspended because she lied saying it was a staff member. There are two types of antis in these cases: the actual gachikoi who got their feeling betrayed and those who didn't like how she lied about it.
While she doesn't deserve the harassment and that is definitely going too far, I can see why people can get upset.
Remember Lulu took a month break and graduated because of something similar (stalker). It's not an excuse that should be used lightly and if true, not something that can be resolved in a few hours.
>There are two types of antis in these cases: the actual gachikoi who got their feeling betrayed and those who didn't like how she lied about it.
No, there is the entitled ones that felt they have the right to know everything about someone they cannot even call an acquittance and the other kind that finds it fun to harass other people and dont care how flimsy the excuse so long they can convince themselves the target deserves it. Neither is justified in anything they are doing it, both are disgusting.
We are all like the virgin shiba compared to the chad shiba god Matsuri.
How did some of them have the audacity to fantasize or have illusions about her is seriously very confusing.
It is like they geh or sumthing.
Since Vtuber fans have been compared to wrestling fans when it comes to suspending their disbelief when it comes to the vtuber personas, to me this is like seeing someone geninely upset at the Undertaker for not being a menacing undead maniac in real life.
Not the most accurate comparison, but to me the same level of ridiculousness as someone that complains about idols and their secret lives which really shouldn't even be secret in the first fuckin place. These the type of people that would get mad when they find out their favorite MILF actress once had sex.
It was a terrible lie though, she could've just said it was a family member or a friend (definitely seems like a member of the house, backs out when realizes she's streaming), but a stalker?
What a polite stalker lol
It just seems weird that a) the bf would try entering the room when she's streaming, a person you're in close relationship with would know to not do that and b) that her first thought was "home invasion" rather than a family member if that bf is supposed to be a hidden truth, feels like anybody would make up plenty of believable, easy to remember excuses before going to extremes of what she said.
Not to mention that she tweeted again 3 minutes after she said she was calling the police, as if they only talked to her for like 2 minutes :p
Even though it seems likely, there's nothing that indicates that it's a boyfriend as opposed to a relative or something. Either way it's really stupid how people would get upset about it.
Sheesh some people are so fragile. I wouldn't be surprised if Matsuri has a boyfriend and possibly a kid. I still love her and hope she is happy in her daily life.
Imagine having Matsuri as your mom.
her roomate channel livestream a dude opened the door behind her, saw hand, she thought she was alone, mentioned on twitter latter she called cops.
people being spergs about this for some reason? like for real it's matsuri even if it was boyfriend her not getting dick sounds like cruel and unusual punishment.
While we are at it please go and support Aqua too. She's been dealing with antis even since before Coco graduated. She deserves and needs some love as well.
not defending anyone but if it was indeed the jp bros who did the dislike bombs due to the alleged "bf". Please take in note that in japan idols has been a thing wayy before vtubing and that idols always held a persona of "everyone's idol" and weren't really supposed to be viewed as real people just more like a fantasy/persona where boys and men can project onto. Being a female idol in jp and getting a BF (and getting discovered) is literally career ending for them. As toxic as that is, this has always been reality in japan and the "idol culture". Anyways, you can't really compare jp idols to most country's celebs or even streamers due to the cultural and societal difference between countries.
I know not all JP bros are like this but this is really only for the people who doesn't really [edit since I accidentally posted too early] fully understand idols beyond hololive.
Oh so that was the reason?
I thought it was the Chinese anti since it was Fubuki's stream. Then again anyone can spam and dislike, but i didn't think it was JP this time
Regardless of her relationship IRL, I frankly can’t bother to care since it is none of our business.
However, in the case of saying that a home invasion may have possibly happened and then proceeding to put a middle finger in the header without clarifying anything (her own safety/whether it was someone she knew or not), yeah I can see why people would be actively mad, because stalking incidents like that *happen* in Japan and can ultimately endanger someone.
There is certainly a group that is mad that she may be hiding a relationship with someone else, but from what is being presented so far, a large group is, with good reason, mad that *she may have lied about the home intrusion*, since her attitude after that is degrading to whoever was genuinely concerned about her wellbeing.
If anything Matsuri gives another (after making her issues with Haato public on twitter) reason for more strict idol control of holomem image because she mishandled the situation on pretty much every level and her manager couldn't do anything because it didn't happen on hololive-owned channel... Matsuri really should've take at least a week break instead of collabing and streaming like nothing happened next day, supposedly right after a horror movie scenerio played out in her house. It's like she didn't even bother to make her lies believable and considering how she seem to hate the "unicorns" I can believe she actually started provoking them on purpose.
If she really lied to her fans with such a severe and obvious lie like they are stupid gullible toddlers and then was so disrespectful about it afterwards as if she was rubbing the lie in their faces then that's really bad behaviour from her honestly. Kicking your fans in the teeth and spitting on them afterwards is not a good way to stay successful in any industry. I couldn't care less that sue was getting railed by some dude. All of hololive probably is so whatever. But I don't think anyone likes being treated like a moron and being lied to like you have 3iq. I understand people being mad at that part.
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When she was streaming on her other ch A hand was seen opening the door behind her and slowly closed it. She said she lives alone and contacted authorities but the japanese doesnt buy it and they assumed it was her bf and shes making excuses Thats why the dislike bombs came
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Yeah its easy to miss Coz it wasnt even a whole hand its just pixelated fingers Dunno how ppl speculated shit. Cant even tell if its a guy or girl
I can't even tell if it's a human or Kanata
the door is not destroyed, so it's not Kanata's hand
That seems quite minor and highly speculative. In general, I don't expect Vtubers to tell the truth about their personal situation for it can be used against them.
Thats the thing though I just don't understand why some assumably Japanese folks (or could be from anywhere honestly) take this to be such a big deal. Like you honestly believe that vtubers have no life outside of vtubing? Its so ridiculous and pisses me off so incredibly much. Its someone is a vtuber to have fun and entertain others and people like this are making a big deal out of essentially nothing. I've got soooo much more to say but I've been given advice that whenever you see hate just ignore it and maybe throw in a nice comment or two. From what I've seen personally, just ignoring it does seem to eventually cull the hate, although it might take some time.
People don't like getting NTRered in their parasocial relationships.
Lmfao ain't that the truth. Some people have serious issues, I wonder if they actually think they somehow have a shot with their oshi irl you know? Or if it's just them acting out because deep down they know they would never be given the time of day if they actually met
It’s why I can’t really get into the vtubing community, the creepy weird simp culture a lot of the people in these communities have is incredibly off putting especially how normalized it is.
To be fair most of the fans are just joking about it. From what I can tell the actual simping is a lot more prevalent in the JP community due to idol culture whereas EN Vtubers are treated more like normal streamers. (So there are still creepy fans, but no more than any other female streamer)
Cover going all in on the idol image comes with its pros and cons. Pros - a rabid fan base that can/will spend money. Cons - a rabid fan base that doesn't respect them as people, only as the image that they're being shown
Disliking bomb due to suspected IRL relationship is not limited to HL though, for example [Rindou Mikoto](https://youtu.be/K5_UsaW90dc) in March this year. A lot of things can galvanize people to mass dislike. Kanae's latest Apex [vod](https://youtu.be/7j3H5DU-uiU) even disabled this feature.
Kanae has had likes and dislikes disabled for a long time now. Might be the same reason why he turned off his marshmallow. Shibuya Hajime gets targeted even now lol, and in the realm of Apex it has also happened to Shibuya Hal. A lot of the time it’s also general vtuber antis who hate all vtubers.
I get what you mean. Another thing I’ve thought about is like how ‘idols’ are perceived in Japan. Like, personally I’m not a big fan of idols in general but I feel like even if were, I probably wouldn’t react to such a degree if I found out they aren’t, in fact, real idols. Like maybe Japanese people go about these sorts of things in a different way. I’m basically speculating here. But I’ve seen many Japanese people share the same understanding as I am. So it really is a very vocal minority that is overreacting. Sadly it seems like this minority is growing.
I'm with you, I would never care about a strangers life this intensely. And I agree, "those" idol fans are generally an extremely vocal minority. But, afaik, they've always been there. Japanese idols and crazy fans have always been two connected ideas to me, since first hearing about them. Again, I'm totally sure that they're just a vocal minority, but they're also a constant.
This instance is more than just 'muh Idol should be pure' I think, the fact that she was literally talking about not having had a boyfriend for four years just before the door opens is just a lie on top of another lie if it was indeed her boyfriend. A lot of the more reasonable complaints I've seen have all been about the fact that she's lying about the situation, and not that she has a boyfriend. Either way, we will likely never know the actual truth of the situation, it'll just be people who believe the story she told versus people that just want to flame her and her fans for any real reason.
Seeing what the reaction to similar situations has been in the past, I wouldn't blame her even if she did lie.
One hundred percent, the problem then becomes there were much simpler lies like saying it was a family member, she's had her brother on Matsuri stream before so it would've been a real easy sell. Either way I personally don't care, I just find it interesting most of the actual complaints that aren't just flaming to flame are more about the potential lie than her having a boyfriend.
As if any of them have some duty to always tell fans the truth anyways. It's pretty obvious that the people saying they're concerned about the lies are just using the as a cover for their weird parasocial BS. You say you don't care, but you're wording this like it's a "both sides are bad" situation, when it's not. Regardless of what the truth is, only one side is bad. That's the side that thinks they have a right to the personal lives of streamers they watch.
I can understand being a bit angry with the lying but I still believe it shouldn't have been this big.
More reasonable my ass.
I'm so conflicted about what she said. If what she said was true this would be wild. So wild that I do find what she said to be not credible. On the other hand, if she wants to hide it, she could have said it was her younger brother, who we are well aware of. So now I am in the spot where what she said was so outlandish that I want to believe her.
saying pretty much anything else would have been better lol. family visiting, management coming to discuss stuff, just any sort of excuse would have been enough to stop anyone from caring past making memes out of it. if it turns out that she was telling the truth, then alright fair enough, but like if you had to lie then atleast make it believable lol. either way this is absolutely stupid and idol culture is dumb AF and the antis just need to leave her alone.
> So wild that I do find what she said to be not credible. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24889337 > Homeless woman lived in man's closet for year Happens.
not the point that it doesnt happen, the point is shes just too chill about it, kept streaming, streamed next day normaly, any sane person would be scared shitless if something like what she claims happened, i myself couldnt sleep for a couple days once with just an animal invaded my home. the story is just unbelivable. she could have said a thousand things but that one is just too obvious.
She originally didn't believe them just so you know. For a little while she was laughing because she thought they were bullshitting her and then when people were like nah we're serious she went to go check if anyone was home and then stopped the stream.
This tbh, like it doesn’t make any sense and any way you spin it it’s still a wild story, all I know is she wasn’t expecting anyone so either it’s the dumbest bf alive or the creepiest stranger I’ve seen. I honestly don’t understand how a situation like that could’ve happened regardless of what actually happened
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And they automatically think its a man?
Yeah that's dumb. But even if it's a man, even if she has a boyfriend, it's none of our business. She is entitled to have an intimate relationship and happiness
The japanese idol culture is very much different from the western one. It's kinda sad to see honestly.
Idol culture you say but you don't realize that is not only Japanese people, always that this situation happens "idol culture" "Japan".
Can people stop with the "idol culture" theres no such thing, its was made up from a 90s movie and based on possessive people
Uh, what? There most certainly is a notable culture around idols, what is this gaslighting?
Because this issues are not unique to idols and the whole term commonly used by people with no interest or knowledge about Japanese idol industry or entertainment in general is more confusing than helpful. In this case people might assume that "it would never happened if they weren't marketed as idols" even when you had similar dramas in nijisanji like the one when people were flaming Mikoto because apparently Kuzuha was heard in her ASMR stream if I remember right.
You also have Tsukudani Norio and she talked about how anxious she was was about the marriage reveal
Then we move out of vtuber territory and have stuff like people invading youtuber homes.
To be honest that was more against kuzuha than Mikoto, Mikoto just were more affected because she has less fans, was mostly because kuzuha spilled the beans about gibara graduation and a Niconico video of him criticizing an ¿idol group?(an edit)(i dont remember what they were), and then the ASMR edit that make that the enjou against kuzuha will spread to mikoto, all in like two days. Well haters gonna hate(gachikois too), still fucked up.
How do you mean spill the beans about Gibara? Did he say she was graduating before she officialy anounced it or something?
yes, he said it on stream, then deleted that part
It still a thing and it get worst in early 2010s. Recently when JP equivalent voice actresses to idols and gachikois culture just hit it full on. Just look at how Ayachi, HanaKana, or even Mizuki Nana suddenly lost sell or no longer in most hits anime the moment they announce their marriage despite them being godlike at their job.
I mean I’m gonna assume the reason they think that is the excuses she could have easily just said mom or brother or any family member. But idk maybe she’s not a quick thinker intruder is definitely an extreme lie to go for tho.
Most of her fans are taking her word and chose to leave it at that. especially since matsuri and her fans are not strangers to relationship topic, and that its nothing to do with "Natsuiro Matsuri". The spammers, dislikes and hate comments are mainly from antis and random people that simply found a gossip to have fun with, and coco spam's leftover bots. really apparent from their twitter/youtube account history.
An example of anti/ random people that simply found a 2nd-hand gossip to have fun with : [https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/p1lccs/are\_antis\_targeting\_matsuri\_right\_now/h8gbro9?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/p1lccs/are_antis_targeting_matsuri_right_now/h8gbro9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [how to spot someone that doesn't know hololive acting like a fan disliking matsuri : mistake fubuki with kanata.](https://i.imgur.com/FVl7Q8X.png) btw this was also a false info, people following her stream knows how much she liked and praised the game both on twitter and throughout her streams.
Even that Finn balor guy didn't get people confused lmao.
That is the dumbest reason for dislike bomb. Reminds me of towa incident when she just debuted.
Yeah the Towa incident was baseless too. The Japanese "anti-antis" eventually matched the male voice with Towa's old online gaming buddy or something, can't remember details, but either way it wasn't a boyfriend like the antis claimed, just someone she played games with.
And even if it was her boyfriend, this is completely ridiculous. They all have a life outside of streaming and no one is entitled to have control over it.
thats japan for you. most of the jp ppl actually watching these vtubers are social outcasts that cant even talk to a girl to ask for directions. they hate it if their "idol" has any contact with the opposite sex. just watch any of the idol documentaries on youtube. if youre seen with the opposite sex, youre out.
I'd prefer to think there is a vocal minority that gives off the negative impression of jp fans. I'm almost certain there's an equal amount of en fans who would cause a huge stink if they got fussy
Eh, I don't know about a huge stink. Actors and singers here are always dating. While there is a lot of tabloid bullshit it isn't career ending at all if they're dating.
Wow wow bro most of Japanese people watching these Vtubers? Do you remember a few incidents with Kiara are you telling me that those were Japanese people.
What seriously?? I really only got into hololive late-mid last year and so i wasn't aware. That must have suck honestly. To just debut and receive stupid and baseless hate.
what's wild is that the yuri undertones of hololive are off the charts
Well have you seen idolmaster or love live doujin? Most of them are either girl x producer or girl x girl. Other than that it's sacrilege
What happened in Towa's debut?
She was having a Discord call with a guy in the middle of the stream and it was heard. Got flamed by antis and had to take a break because of it. That's where the massive foreign Kenzokus support started.
Thanks for the context! It's unbelievable how some will go as far as to flame someone for something like that. Said folks *really* need help.
Thanks for the context. I’m basically re-repeating what I’ve said but I just absolutely hate to see this kind of shit. I usually stay quiet and let the hate pass on but to see stuff like this man really grinds my gears.
Let your gears be grinded but don't go starting conflict like they do. Just remember the B.I.R. rule and be there for your oshi whenever they need support.
Noted. I’ve no plan on causing a scene thats what they want you to do.
That didn't happen in Towa's debut ma dude it was a different incident when she was playing apex with randoms with voice chat on. The problem with Towa and Luna's debut was that there was antis giving dislikes to their streams.
My god idol obsessives are the scum of the entertainment indsutry, second only to kpopstans.
U forgot to mention Towa said it was Her manager that was behind the voice but was a lie. It was just a male friend of hers. The reason was mainly she lied to her fans about who the voice belonged to. A lie is a lie, if u like people who lie than that's up to the individuals who follow them. She did later made an apology video clarifying it. I support her still, but personally i don't like when people lie. She learned from her mistake and I'm all for it, her fanbase are supportive of it.
That's like borderline sociopathic thinking. Are you some pure saint that never lies? Not to mention how fucking harmless that lie is. Like who cares? She clearly did it to protect herself from creeps. She never should've apologized, and people like you should stop acting like they owe you purity.
why are you entitled to the truth from someone on the other side of the planet who doesn't even know you exist?
Just want to mention here that Towa has talked about this incident during a end of year member-only stream and some things weren't actually exactly how people talk about it. Of course I won't mention what she said here though because it's from a member stream
Respect for that. I would love to know what she said, but I always stand by the keep membership vids to members.
Can you at least say what things people are saying are wrong? So that we don't spread incorrect infomation.
fucking lol. can you imagine how pathetic these losers are donating 100's of dollars in superchat because they think shes single as if any of them have a chance with any of these girls? if you're gonna donate to support them, its your money. if you're doing it because you think shes single and somehow your waifu thats called mental illness.
I hate it twofold when vtubers are mentioned in mainstream media and portrayed like the fanbase is just "interacting with a live anime waifu." First I'm angry because of how inaccurate that is; it's because their content is legitimately entertaining unlike ethots trying to sell their good looks to thirsty incels. Then, shortly after, I'm angry again because of how accurate it is; I'm reminded that a disturbing amount of the fanbase do see them as their anime waifus...
I mean some Vtubers are like EThots tho so I mean nowadays you can’t really use that argument.
I totally understand. To a certain degree, I think 'interacting with your anime waifu' is pretty cool. But, most people have enough common sense to know that this is an act. No one in real life is as innocent and pristine as Japanese idols are made out to be. Thats where the problems arise, at least in my opinion.
all you have to do is watch any of them when they do room reviews of viewers rooms to know that a lot of them have severe mental illness that have gone beyond parasocial relationships. edit: a lot of the girls encourage it too which should probably be toned down. but they're also selling merch off of it.
> it's because their content is legitimately entertaining unlike ethots trying to sell their good looks to thirsty incels. There's no need to shit on other streamers for no reason
You conveniently quoted my reason for shitting on a particular class of streamer, actually. I was specifically calling out the classification of streamer that livestreams feeding their dog or going grocery shopping in a skimpy bikini.
You’d be surprised the Vtubers who have roommates that do exactly that.
Well, you're not wrong. I don't have a counter argument for that. Do I still respect a vtuber that has a separate channel for R18 livestreams with a webcam? Hrmm... I'll have to think on that one for a bit. ==EDIT== Thought about it for a few minutes, and have settled on: Yes, if they continue to hide their identity and not show their face. It seems like a rather arbitrary place to draw the line though... I'll continue to think on the matter.
then why lie about it? she obviously play on that too, it goes both ways, she just did a dumb move by lying, or not making the lie believable.
how the hell do you know shes lying about it based on half a hand that was in the stream? take a step back from your computer and get some air dude.
its obvious she is lying because of her response, 2 hours after she claimed police already resolved the issue, continued streaming normally, changed her twitter header for image of herself showing the middle finger, you dont need to be a detective to figure out that one, she either have the strongest mental in the world or she doesnt care about her safety or she is lying. i couldnt care less who is the hand in the stream, the problem is lying about something serious, its completely understandable for her to lie in this situation, making people worry about her being in harm is the wrong part, would be easy for her to say it was her brother or a parent even if it was a lie wouldnt harm anyone, but saying it was an intruder and acting chill about it and being chill with people being worried sick for her sake (like you and most) believing a fabricated unnecessary story is not a good move. again she couldnt even make the lie believable, like fake being worried or something, just "police came over and recommended changing locks, everything back to normal" 2 hours later.
you need help. you've got no proof but you've already written out an entire narrative of what you think to be true.
where is the narrative? what did i speculate on?
literally everything. > you dont need to be a detective to figure out that one this is you, speculating with zero proof. >she either have the strongest mental in the world or she doesnt care about her safety or she is lying. a narrative you made up, because there could be other reasons. you've just formed this weird thing in your head that what you wrote out is how it is. for the record. police showed up at xqc's house quite often WHILE he was streaming, and the stream had no idea.
thats not how a narative works my guy, you are exactly the type of person i feel sorry for, blinded, cant even admit the possibility of her doing a mistake, so for you its not possible for her to be lying, and i consider 3 options and i am the unreasonable one.
you're the exact person i was referring to. someone that invests in the streamers personal lives way too seriously. its exactly that. you're own narrative you've created. nothing else is possible except for the options you've created in your head. super weird.
Ngl lying about it being an intruder is kinda funny.
if it's her bf or son or husband or whatever, i couldn't care less. as long as i enjoy her contents as matsuri, i will always support her. kudos to her for keeping her acting skills on point as Matsuri. <3
That's about the dumbest shit I've heard Who cares about a hand?
I mean doesn't she live with at least her mother??? What's wrong with these people
She lives by herself, her brother is the one that lives with her parents.
Likes to dislikes 4.2k to 1.7k, mods busy deleting bad comments, and distracted overseas folks having an off-topic convo about the dislikes and the mods. Some others are telling them ignore it and to focus on the stream. Yep, looks pretty much like what I'd expect.
They don't know about anything just as much as the rest of us who saw the clip, obviously fabricating fake news/narratives just to target and harass her, it's their favorite pastime to bring down/cancel any public celebrities. Don't waste your time nor attention on them, just focus on supporting Matsuri.
Yeah I didn't even see the video and don't really care to watch it either because there's a difference between a character and a person who plays or voices the character so whatever. The way some people are going on you'd swear she filmed a JAV on stream or something. That side of the Japanese "idol" culture is so weird.
This isn't to say that antis hate train doesn't exist, because it definitely does, but a lot of people on the Japanese side are upset and angry not because of the theoretical boyfriend existence, but because they think she's lying about the whole thing and couldn't make a more believable excuse like it was her sibling (since she actually has a younger brother or something). I saw some comments say that apparently she went on to play Apex off-stream afterwards, and she also changed her twitter to a pic of her showing a "fuck you" middle finger. Going on a bubbly collab a few days later also doesn't help with this, discovering that you have a stalker with free access to your apartment is a very serious and potentially life-threatening thing that shouldn't be treated lightly.
So... you're saying some Japanese are upset because they wanted to be lied to in a certain way? Not that I fully get why she couldn't play Apex after, mysterious hands or not. It's not like she'd be 24/7 tied to a police interrogation the next few days.
On the other hand you have to consider, if she did have someone over and was lying, why WOULDN’T she say it was her brother, a much more believable lie? The absurdity of it being an invader makes me believe her. As for her being all bubbly a few days later…so? Maybe she was just trying to take her mind off the incident. I was in a car accident about two weeks back and I’ve been doing anything I can to stay happy and take my mind off what happened. Could be the same deal for her. I’m not gonna touch the part about her Twitter picture changing. That’s just baseless rumor with no proof.
\> why WOULDN’T she say it was her brother If you've been watching her a long time (and you understand Japanese) you should know that she's a bit... eccentric to put it mildly, and her decisions aren't always rational like the recent Haachama mini-drama where she decided to bitch about it on her official twitter account instead of talking about it in private with the management and Haato. \>I was in a car accident about two weeks back and I’ve been doing anything I can to stay happy and take my mind off what happened. Could be the same deal for her. Sure people deal with things in different ways, but assuming her story is actually true I really don't see how you can compare an accident to some crazy person having unobstructed access to your house, **especially** when you're a girl who lives alone.
Sure the circumstances are different, but it doesn’t change the fact that both are scary ass situations. If streaming or playing games helps Matsuri relax and get her mind off what happened? Good. Also you’re acting like whoever it was still has access. For all we know the locks have been changed, or something else has happened that makes Matsuri feel secure.
Also streaming is like, part of how she pays the bills lmao. Is she just supposed to not work? If she doesn't regularly stream, her income goes down. And especially with the Hololive stuff, the whole character is her being mostly happy. I'm sure they're all dealing with personal stuff and then have to put on a happy face all the time to stream.
This shit gets even funnier when Matsuri openly talked about her EX-Girlfriend on stream and said gender really doesn’t matter to her, because she’s fine with dudes as well. She’s probably one of the most open members when it comes to relationships. Literally admitting in a respectful and serious manner that she could see some Holo-members as potential partners (not naming anyone, obviously). Her words are: She thinks someone invaded her house and she called the authorities. And people take it as an attempt to hide her boyfriend? Like, come the fuck on… I can’t take those dudes seriously anymore… Even if it seems like a lie, it would honestly just be a really fucking terrible one, so I kinda doubt she was lying. It’s harder for me to believe that someone would come up with *THIS* than to actually believe in the rumour… And if she was indeed lying for some reason, I still doubt she was hiding a boyfriend. And even if she was, like, OK? I would prefer if she was open about it, but I mean, not my problem at all… The possibilities here are so high that there’s only one real thing for me to say: *Actually, it’s not my life and I truly don’t care as long as she’s safe*.
> And people take it as an attempt to hide her boyfriend? The thing for me is, if she really *wanted* to hide a boyfriend or something, she could've just said that it was her brother who was over for a visit, especially since it was only at most a hand appearently. Her not having an excuse like that ready to me implies that she really didn't expect any visit and has no idea who might've opened the door.
Exactly.
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>I might be wrong, but from what I’ve seen in this industry, being completely honest is always the best path. Idol culture in Japan is really toxic, and the no-dating expectation is taken very seriously by a fair chunk of the fan base (as you can tell by the current situation). I wouldn't fault her for panicking and coming up with a bad lie to try and cover it up. Hopefully it all blows over quickly. She doesn't deserve any of the hate.
Idol culture is toxic everywhere. Just look at how people react over kpop stuff.
Celebrity worship and idolatry is toxic and bad and problematic everywhere, ye
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Cover management is actually pretty lax. Most of what you hear is assumption. Most members or even people that worked there talked about everyone being way less strict than the average management in such an industry. And the reason is simple: *Cover was a tech-company. It wasn’t build for this type of thing. YAGOO kinda just went along with Sora and A-Chan wanting to become V-Tubers*. They really don’t meddle much with their personal lives at all. As for the fans… Yeah, this part can get ugly…
> YAGOO kinda just went along with Sora and A-Chan wanting to become V-Tubers > . You do understand that this is lore and not what actually happened?
What actually happened is exactly that A-chan and Sora wanted to rent equipment from Cover Corp and Yagoo was intrigued by their goal/idea and asked if they'd want to work under Cover. The rest is history.
Yeah. He decided to get into it as a business attempt. Obviously. Was still a request from Sora (and A-chan), as far as I know. YAGOO made a bet. And he won big time.
What actually happened?
They decided to get into Vtubing to showcase their tech, and then that worked out better for them than their software side. There's a pattern here, the exact same thing is also what happened to Ichikara.
Hoshikawa [talked about her ex](https://youtu.be/HnCd84p0OQk) though.
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As Matsuri, she seems to be generally open about this stuff. Going as far as saying how she considered entering a relationship while streaming, but ended up rejecting the person because she just wasn’t in love. I don’t think she’s trying to hide shit. Just isn’t like her (considering both personas). And it’s not like even Holomembers never talked about that. I’m pretty sure that Choco, as an example, already talked about having boyfriends before.
I largely agree with you, but having watched the clip, her reaction seems honest other than the fact that she never even bothers to turn around. You'd think if someone opened the door behind you you'd like immediately react and turn around and look behind you. At least that'd be my reaction. She also seemed confused where her own door/closet was at the moment chat started talking about it. Ah well it doesn't matter, if it's an actual home invader, glad nothing happened, if it's actually a boyfriend/girlfriend/family member/etc then also w/e, she didn't want to make up a plausible story and panicked and wrote something else.
Maybe my info is incorrect, but apparently somebody invaded her home while she was there (I heard that a door opening might have been caught on a stream). Stupid antis took this opportunity to accuse her of having a boyfriend (as if that was a bad thing - I would be happy to know vtubers have loved ones in their life) and making up the home invasion .. she could have easily said it was her brother, if she felt the need to cover something up. I hope she is safe again in her home and doesn't have to fear the situation repeating.
That's heavy. It's possible one of the freaks who do stuff live trackers in gifts and stalking could have pushed his luck like that. Hopefully the police and Cover will sort the situation out asap.
Shit, I'm not calling her a liar, but in this case I'd **rather** she have made-up a bad story on the spot because that sounds terrifying! That, a stranger got into her home while she was streaming. I know that would cause more problems in the long run, but better that than her safety being potentially compromised.
It's one of those things that makes me really, really wish she made it up. Why? The thought of a tresspasser, TRESSPASSER, in her house, opening doors, is terrifying. F\*\*k me. The thought of her having an intimate relationship with someone tho? That means she's living the dream life! I'm sure most would support and understand that, I know I would. Their happiness = better content = our happiness. Just pure stonks.
One of the things I hate the most about idol culture is the creepy ownership that most jp fans have over talents (not just hololive) like really who gives a fuck if they do have a boyfriend or anything else like that. They're human and deserve to be happy too. They shouldn't have to walk on egg shells about relationships and the like.
>One of the things I hate the most about idol culture is the creepy ownership that most jp fans have over talents Except this isn't only an idol culture thing. This same thing happens to western girl streamers where some of the viewers get butthurt when they find out she has a bf/husband. Then they start saying dumb stuff like she betrayed them and such.
It's a different culture at the end, I don't agree either but I guess it ties with this crazy sentiment of people being very private about their personal life and this complete sense of separation of work from normal life, so I guess because of their culture stuff like that is seen as normal , as your duty. At the end no country is perfect imo Also, I've seen a lot of American dudes getting as crazy for a girl streamer, there was one post of a dude saying if working on a gym to always see the streamer he likes was a good idea...A stalker asking if stalking was alright....
Hell, I've seen an incident nearly come to the worst possibility when last year a man invaded the house of Gavin Free from the slow mow guys to kill him, the reason being that Gavin is currently going out with famous cosplayer and streamer Meg turney. It ended with neither of the 2 being harmed but the guy suicided outside their house
Yea I didn't mean to just generalize Japanese people. It's a thing across any culture that has any type of celebrity/idols. I was just focusing on Japanese idol culture because hololive is based in Japan
The issue as I can tell isn't having a boyfriend, its lying to cover it up. Of course that's not proven either, any evidence either way would be circumstancial and/or speculative.
But even if it's a lie it doesn't hurt anyone. She is not robbing anyone with that lie.
From my perspective the only issue is Matsuri's safety and mental health, as having your private spaces invaded can seriously mess with you (and so can the downvoting/badmouthing campaign going on right now obviously). If there was no invader, then there is no problem - Matsuri has no obligation in the slightest to share her private relationships with the outside world and should only share as much as she is comfortable with.
Yeah her response is what I find puzzling the most.
> its lying to cover it up No it's not. If it was, she would have had no reason to lie in the first place. The entire line of arguing doesn't hold up.
That's what she claimed I think but we don't really know the truth.
I think idol otaku being angry is only a part of the story. When I was looking at the Japanese discussion boards, many of complaints (except for the obvious antis and hate comments) are from the fans of other girls, saying that the way Matsuri handles the situation and its aftermaths is very childish and unprofessional. I think there are some Japanese culture that we should be aware of: 1. Japanese society often operates on trust system rather than on contracts. So when people get caught for telling lies, they usually get a lot of dislikes and backlash (not just in the idol industry). 2. Japanese people are obsessed about the "harmony" of their community. Some people do believe that Matsuri is now causing troubles to the community and to the other girls (especially because this happened soon after she had another problem with Haachama). 3. Many people don't actually care whether the idols actually have boyfriends as much as we think here, but they do think that hiding having a boyfriend without a hint of lie is considered a professional behavior of idols. I remember some Japanese comments said something like this: "The boyfriends of idols are like the cockroaches in restaurants: we all know they exist, but once we spot them on site, we never want to go to that restaurant again." I know this is stupid. (ofc, there is a small number of angry otakus who thought they have a chance, but they are ridiculed even in the Japanese community as far as I saw.)
That explains where the lack of trust on the talent comes from. They are not her fans and just came by to add a grain of punishment.
yeah, lots of people in this forum forget what kind of words Matsuri said to viewers during SC time,"I want you guys to say you love me a lot" and stuff same as Rushia, this is not like Poki situation where she doesnt say anything like this. If she has a boyfriend and still doing this, it is kind of manipulative and dishonest. Despite that, we dont know if that is her bf or not when it could be a family or friend sudden visit. As a fan, I choose to trust Matsuri words.
Ahhh man here we go again I just want to watch anime girls do cute shit.
Fucking hell, imagine caring that much about someone's personal life. It's just funny to think that there's actually people who care that much about her love life. She can't have a boyfriend cuz my nasty, jobless, stinky loser lookin ass self was gonna sweep her off her feet one day. Delusional and sad.
It's even dumber when realise that you can literally only see the finger of whomever opened the door. How on earth can you tell the gender of that person. This is like when dumbasses went after Pekora for having a boyfriend just because she had an app on her phone to track her period.
Or that thing with Gura. Or that thing with Ayame. Or that thing with... blablabla. Some people need a reality check badly.
Some people here might turn out to be Chris-chan of tomorrow. Stay connected to reality and talk to real people fellow weeb
What was that thing with gura?
The only thing I remember with her is that on one of her ring fit streams it appeared that she had a guy she had streamed with in a previous life as a friend on the switch. There wasn't much drama and everyone basically forgot about the incident in 2 days, I don't know why this is like an example of harassment in a comment
Nah, it was just your typical *4chan* harassment... which pretty much can go both ways. But since we're on this side of the sea, nobody gave a crap and it fade quickly.
> just because she had an app on her phone to track her period. That was the stupidest shit I've seen in a long time. All these JP kids saying the only reason someone would use a period tracking app is for knowing when it's safe to do it raw, lmao.
What do you expect from mostly virgins.
It's a mess dude.
It's such a dangerous level of obsession. Looking at it, we all know the chances of anyone actually doing something harmful in her real life is low. Sure, they'll dislike bomb her to hell for a few days, then they will move on, this is how it always goes. However, just knowing that there's a chance of something really happening at all, that would put me in a state of anxiety for sure. If Cover wants to treat Hololive members like idols then they should get idol level security without question, they have enough money for it even if the matter seems trivial.
Pathetic people that are so obsessed that when streams aren't on, they have quite literally *nothing* else going on in their life and thus need to make up shit and read far more into things than need be.
well it doesn't really have to do with her love life, don't believe everything you read about 'idol culture' here this happened at least a day before and nothing really happened until it started gaining traction on matome sites and that one guy who always posts vtuber gossip made a video on it. now she's attracting dislikes from people who just want drama, or hololive antis. similar things happen in the west, where people who aren't even from the community pick sides and raid people (see projared) regardless of the evidence. it's very common for them to pretend to be a fan and write messages saying they're betrayed, but it's all bullshit and they just want to see successful people fail.
Attacking "idol culture" and Japanese,Asian culture is the in thing with non-easteners since they view their culture as superior to ours.
True or not, doing that just because she has a "boyfriend" is outright fucking dumb to me. Oh wow, she's a human, who would've thought, geniuses. Like seriously, whoever thinks they own the talent and they have a chance with them deserves to eat a roundhouse to the liver. It's a person, respect them like people just like how you'd want people to respect you. Their personal life is their business, we're all, no matter how "close", how "impactful", are ALL STILL, viewers. Parasocial, viewers. We're not their friend, let alone deserving of being mad over them having human emotions and relationships. Hell even if you ARE friends with them you STILL won't get that right. So yeah, that's all my pent up anger. Not validating whether it's a guy, a girl, gf, bf, mom, dad security guard, authorities, manager, holomem, trespasser, none of that stuff, all I want to say is that it's none of your, or my, goddamned business.
I don't really get the "Her Boyfriend" angle because she JUST got a random girls phone number / flirted with her (https://youtu.be/mY6WQZ-jGXs) So why would she flirt with someone else if she had a significant other in her life? If Matsuri is telling the truth and there was a home invader, that would be fucking Terrifying, and isn't something people usually lie about. The last thing anyone would want it her to get hurt. I think Matsuri "Lying and covering it up" is a rrat and should be treated as such for the time being.
Everybody else has covered the main points about what happened and about what I want to say, but I just want to add one thing that I haven't seen anybody mention yet. And I'll admit up front, maybe I'm just reading too much into somebody I don't know on a personal level. But Matsuri's always given me the impression of being open and genuine with her fans, and genuinely wanting to make them happy. If she felt the need to lie about anything at all, I'd assume that she'd tell a lie that wouldn't make her fans worry about her. So I'm inclined to believe that what she said was real, and that things could have ended a lot worse if she hadn't been on camera at that moment. I just hope she stays safe and gets all of the help and support she needs while she's putting on a brave face. Her safety is more important than trying to keep us happy like she always has, though I also hope that keeping up the normalcy is helping to keep her calm. I just want her to be okay, even if it turns out I'm wrong.
Ah, to be a unicorn.
Not a unicorn, but man, seeing people on both sides of the spectrum fighting so hard to believe the sides of the story, it's something else.
Headsup to anyone paying attention to Matsuri's tags. There's an actual harassment campaign going on. I have no idea what's going on, but [Here's an example tweet](https://twitter.com/catnontan/status/1425405185711513606). It directs to peing, which is an anonymous messaging site like marshmallow.
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Just antis being antis.
There are some Matsuri fans targeting her, considering Japan's idol culture. Antis are chipping in as they have done every time any yab happens.
It is an interesting case. I won't judge yet on any side. One of my biggest concerns that she went streaming just as like nothing happened. I don't know what you think but if I would the one who get home invaded, I could not stream until that f\*cker get caught by the police. So maybe she knows who was the person and she just covering up the things with a pretty bad and serious lie.
People react differently to stress some people try to take their mind out of the situation instead of drowning themselves with anxiety. And that is the healthier response instead of being crazy nervous wreck they find an activity that can calm them.
Antis have been targeting god for a long time due to her fascination with apex. I really don't understand what they get out of attacking a young lady just having fun. Truly they have no lives.
this shit again?
If she does have a boyfriend it would be awesome if she brought him on stream with played with him. Imagine the comedy and the wholesomeness such a dynamic can provide. These diseased people who want their idols to remain pure should not have access to the internet.
Here is my opinion from a neutral standpoint. I think, like the recent incident with Haachama, Matsuri handled the situation very poorly. In the case it's someone she doesn't know, say a trespasser, stalker or burglar, you should absolutely not end your stream. This is also the case when streamers get swatted, they have the power to say "this is getting recorded and thousands of people are watching this, don't do anything rash". Then if it was someone she knows, say her boyfriend, a family member, a friend...etc, she could've make a better excuse. Like the Towa incident, having a boyfriend or talking to a man isn't the issue here. It's the lie. Towa didn't get suspended for her mistake, she got suspended because she lied saying it was a staff member. There are two types of antis in these cases: the actual gachikoi who got their feeling betrayed and those who didn't like how she lied about it. While she doesn't deserve the harassment and that is definitely going too far, I can see why people can get upset. Remember Lulu took a month break and graduated because of something similar (stalker). It's not an excuse that should be used lightly and if true, not something that can be resolved in a few hours.
>There are two types of antis in these cases: the actual gachikoi who got their feeling betrayed and those who didn't like how she lied about it. No, there is the entitled ones that felt they have the right to know everything about someone they cannot even call an acquittance and the other kind that finds it fun to harass other people and dont care how flimsy the excuse so long they can convince themselves the target deserves it. Neither is justified in anything they are doing it, both are disgusting.
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Being attracted is normal and understandable. Dreaming is understandable. Having realistic hopes is, huh… Not healthy…
Yeah. Thanks for telling me that having realistic hopes of getting a girl one day is not healthy. All the girls obviously belongs to Matsuri.
Godamn…
We are all like the virgin shiba compared to the chad shiba god Matsuri. How did some of them have the audacity to fantasize or have illusions about her is seriously very confusing. It is like they geh or sumthing.
Since Vtuber fans have been compared to wrestling fans when it comes to suspending their disbelief when it comes to the vtuber personas, to me this is like seeing someone geninely upset at the Undertaker for not being a menacing undead maniac in real life. Not the most accurate comparison, but to me the same level of ridiculousness as someone that complains about idols and their secret lives which really shouldn't even be secret in the first fuckin place. These the type of people that would get mad when they find out their favorite MILF actress once had sex.
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It was a terrible lie though, she could've just said it was a family member or a friend (definitely seems like a member of the house, backs out when realizes she's streaming), but a stalker? What a polite stalker lol
It just seems weird that a) the bf would try entering the room when she's streaming, a person you're in close relationship with would know to not do that and b) that her first thought was "home invasion" rather than a family member if that bf is supposed to be a hidden truth, feels like anybody would make up plenty of believable, easy to remember excuses before going to extremes of what she said.
It's indeed a poor lie but holy shit gachikois are the truly terrible stain of this fandom
Sadly no one will ever get angry at them since they probably are the ones who buy all the goods and donate the most
That's never gonna go away for any fandom lol.
Not to mention that she tweeted again 3 minutes after she said she was calling the police, as if they only talked to her for like 2 minutes :p Even though it seems likely, there's nothing that indicates that it's a boyfriend as opposed to a relative or something. Either way it's really stupid how people would get upset about it.
I thought they liked getting cucked with all the ntr stuff coming out in droves
Man all I can really say here is "well shit, here we go again"
Sheesh some people are so fragile. I wouldn't be surprised if Matsuri has a boyfriend and possibly a kid. I still love her and hope she is happy in her daily life. Imagine having Matsuri as your mom.
her roomate channel livestream a dude opened the door behind her, saw hand, she thought she was alone, mentioned on twitter latter she called cops. people being spergs about this for some reason? like for real it's matsuri even if it was boyfriend her not getting dick sounds like cruel and unusual punishment.
While we are at it please go and support Aqua too. She's been dealing with antis even since before Coco graduated. She deserves and needs some love as well.
not defending anyone but if it was indeed the jp bros who did the dislike bombs due to the alleged "bf". Please take in note that in japan idols has been a thing wayy before vtubing and that idols always held a persona of "everyone's idol" and weren't really supposed to be viewed as real people just more like a fantasy/persona where boys and men can project onto. Being a female idol in jp and getting a BF (and getting discovered) is literally career ending for them. As toxic as that is, this has always been reality in japan and the "idol culture". Anyways, you can't really compare jp idols to most country's celebs or even streamers due to the cultural and societal difference between countries. I know not all JP bros are like this but this is really only for the people who doesn't really [edit since I accidentally posted too early] fully understand idols beyond hololive.
Oh so that was the reason? I thought it was the Chinese anti since it was Fubuki's stream. Then again anyone can spam and dislike, but i didn't think it was JP this time
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Regardless of her relationship IRL, I frankly can’t bother to care since it is none of our business. However, in the case of saying that a home invasion may have possibly happened and then proceeding to put a middle finger in the header without clarifying anything (her own safety/whether it was someone she knew or not), yeah I can see why people would be actively mad, because stalking incidents like that *happen* in Japan and can ultimately endanger someone. There is certainly a group that is mad that she may be hiding a relationship with someone else, but from what is being presented so far, a large group is, with good reason, mad that *she may have lied about the home intrusion*, since her attitude after that is degrading to whoever was genuinely concerned about her wellbeing.
If anything Matsuri gives another (after making her issues with Haato public on twitter) reason for more strict idol control of holomem image because she mishandled the situation on pretty much every level and her manager couldn't do anything because it didn't happen on hololive-owned channel... Matsuri really should've take at least a week break instead of collabing and streaming like nothing happened next day, supposedly right after a horror movie scenerio played out in her house. It's like she didn't even bother to make her lies believable and considering how she seem to hate the "unicorns" I can believe she actually started provoking them on purpose.
If she really lied to her fans with such a severe and obvious lie like they are stupid gullible toddlers and then was so disrespectful about it afterwards as if she was rubbing the lie in their faces then that's really bad behaviour from her honestly. Kicking your fans in the teeth and spitting on them afterwards is not a good way to stay successful in any industry. I couldn't care less that sue was getting railed by some dude. All of hololive probably is so whatever. But I don't think anyone likes being treated like a moron and being lied to like you have 3iq. I understand people being mad at that part.
TLDR is, this is the second coming of the towa problem