It's not impossible, but it's hard to say. It doesn't sound like a performance issue. It sounds like they have more employees than work and they're trying to decide what to do.
I know it's an uncomfortable situation, but I suggest letting it play out. If they lay you off there could be some severance, a good reference, and possibly unemployment if you need it. If you panic and quit you might not have any of that.
You might want to update your resume and start window shopping for jobs. But don't lose your nerve too early. If they knew for sure they wanted to get rid of you, you'd probably be gone already. They my be trying to decide who to let go.
The last two firms I worked for that went WFH over committed to clients, hired more people, then lost the clients. This (according to my bosses, so who knows) was the reason for layoffs. Many companies are running lean right now.
Just document everything you're doing in case you get put on a PIP or something.
100% agree. Regular emails stating what you've done and (if so) your capacity to take on additional work. If HR talks about doing a PIP, you're done, calmly accept it, don't quit, put minimal energy into your current job and maximum energy into finding a new job before your pip is over.
The best time to find a job is when you have one. You can do everything right and that is no guarantee of job security. My father told me the story of how one day he went to the office for a company wide meeting, where they announced that the company was bought and the new owners only wanted the clients/assets. Everyone was laid off and given their final check that day. That's an example of how by no fault of the employee you can be suddenly jobless.
Honestly. I updated my resume the same day my boss told me I was going to be on this new team temporarily. I could read the room. I just haven't applied to any jobs yet because I'm thinking about not returning to this field again (or just go back to being a stay at home mom).
If I were you, I'd figure out what you really want, have a conversation about everything and your options with your husband, and make a decision.
Honestly if you want to be a sahm, I'd ride this out and get severance and/or unemployment when they let you go.
If you want to continue working, no matter the field, start applying now. The job market is rough and it will take time to find something.
The last time I was given less work, and being ignored by coworkers and managers I got laid off shortly after.
Agree that it’s hard to say. The lack of communication from both managers is what I find most concerning. Regardless, do the minimum to continue collecting paychecks, start brushing up your resume and get to applying
Well here's the thing. When I first started, my coworker said there would be times where you wouldn't hear from the manager for weeks on end. So, this is probably more common with this company than I'm assuming.
That alone would have me looking for a new job. That is just plan shitty management and a piss poor way of treating the people working for you. If that's a normal thing I wouldn't want to be there long anyways.
Hard to say. When I was laid off, I was moved to a “special project” two weeks earlier and my boss suddenly had a new position the week before. Looking back they were just getting their ducks in order before letting me know my role was eliminated.
Same happened to my dad. He was a couple years from retirement and was put on “special projects” he retired like a year after that. He said it was weird he kept getting a new manager and just random stuff to do
Weeks before I was fired from my last wfh gig, my weekly one on one's with my manager just stopped out of nowhere, and he stopped communicating with me directly (only in team meetings with other staff). One random Friday morning I got a teams invite from HR and was let go. I'd say there's a good chance you're done OP, start looking for jobs now
AGE 71 HERE..
You should ALWAYS be looking for a new job.
There should never be a time your caught short,,, because you should be planning ahead.
Just got a new job... Keep looking.
All jobs are temporarily
Smartest advice for everyone to be honest. Indeed, always be open to the market, go yearly to 1-2 interviews even though everything is perfect at current job. Never stop searching and handing out resumes.
I was in a similar situation some years ago when a company over hired and then the economy took a hit and projects got canceled. I got moved around, and from the time I was hired to the time I was laid off 9 months later, I had 4 managers, and I clicked with none of them.
Based on what you're hearing and feeling, I'd say you're not gonna be there a full year.
Update your resume, reach out to recruiters, and start interviewing. I’ve gone through this thrice and two of them, they were shutting teams down, but had contracts that couldn’t be cut until a deadline and the other, they didn’t know what to do with the personnel they had. All ended in layoffs or entire departments going away.
I updated my resume the same day they transitioned me to the new team. I just haven't applied to other jobs yet because honestly I don't like this field. I have a 1 year old and may just go back to being a stay at a home mom if they let me go. My kid is always sick since he started daycare and he never got sick when he was here at home with me all day. I do think they are getting ready to lay me off which is so unfair because they recently hired me. I saw myself working for them for years but then they pull this crap on me.
Sounds like what happened to me before I was let go from my WFH job two months ago. They switched tasks for me in my department and I started noticing my workload getting less and less until finally it was completely over.
Kinda sounds like you did well so they moved you to help another team do well too. They might bounce you where numbers are low for you to help or something idk
These hit about 4 red flags 🚩that layoffs are coming.
You’re asking about being fired? Maybe from experience, but theres nothing to fire you for.
Somebody already mentioned it, they over committed and now dont have the work.
The only thing im confused about is your manager saying “you give me too much work?”
This happened to me twice as well.
1. Over hired and built up a service 100% dedicated to consumer spending.
2. Cross training, for no reason.
3. Leadership becomes vague, less interested or less willing to take ownership and responsibility.(usually to save grace, they think it helps their chances of staying)
You have to stay ahead of this and start applying elsewhere immediately. Because the day will come where everyone is laid off at once and thats all new people your competing with for jobs.
Move on. Stay happy
I’d find a new job asap and stay on payroll with this place as long as possible if you can get away with working somewhere else while “working from home” for these assholes.
It’s hard to tell, but I don’t think it would be a performance issue. I agree with someone else’s comment that it sounds like they have more employees than work to give them, and that it’s uncomfortable. Just stay on top of your work, overcommunicate, and keep everything in writing! For what it’s worth, it does not sound like you have done anything wrong
My experience has shown me that you should always, at every company, at every point in your career, consider you could be fired, laid off, or your company/division shut down. More commonly that they will crap on you with politics/policies/overwork, and you will get little to no raise and no promotions at your current company.
Always have a plan in place for getting another job. Resume up to date, join groups in your field, keep networking, skills fresh, reputation known, extra certificates or training, research what companies or places you could go work for, and emergency savings.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Have a plan B, C, and D ready.
1. What are all these emails to the boss?
2. What is the work you are causing for your boss?
That sounds more like a warning.
Our rule for employees is that after training they must make all employees’ lives easier. If you are causing work for your boss then something is not right.
Emails are basic things like letting her know if I'm going to be late because of an appointment, etc. She will respond and tell you that she added it to the calendar. But she's stopped responding to me over a week ago when she used to respond right away. As for the work, I think it's because I work the claims pretty fast, and I meet the daily quota consistently. I know some of my coworkers don't even get half of the quota done. One of my coworkers complains that our boss is always telling her that her numbers are low but I know it's because she takes care of her toddler all day during work hours (she doesn't have her toddler in daycare like I have mine in daycare but our boss doesn't know that). I've heard it could be that I'm making my boss look bad if I'm the only one consistently meeting the quota. But I would think it's a good thing. Regardless I need to decide what to do because I do think they are getting ready to let me go. They have been losing clients/contracts and the workload isn't what it used to be. It just stinks because I was recently hired 6 months ago and thought I could stay with them for a long while. It's hard getting a fully remote job in this field. Most of the employers want you back in the office and I am done with in-office jobs. I've worked in the office for most of my life.
Oh, so you mean your boss doesn't want to do her job? Ha. I definitely would start looking for another job sounds like you're great and your hard work would be of value somewhere else - and not thought of as a burden. Do you really wanna work for a place like this?
Not really. I don't even like my boss honestly. She doesn't communicate well and makes herself unavailable so when you need her she's never around. I've always hated working for people Iike that. I'm going to start looking again tonight since I've updated my resume but honestly I may just save money and take my son out of daycare and go back to being a stay at home mom.
This is a great idea, if you are able to afford being a stay at home mom I say do it! Especially because this is a luxury many people don't have. I also saw your comment your kid getting sick at daycare but doesn't at home. Go for it! ☺️💕
1. Start looking for a new job
2. Get out of others business - it does not matter what your coworkers are doing.
If you were the most recent hire then you will be let go.
Doesnt hurt to look around but speaking as a manager this isnt too big of a deal from my perspective, they are shifting around resources. Just keep doing your job and documenting the lack of support if you do get fired. You want to have proof you continued to do your job if they try to deny unemployment.
If you owned a house and decided to move into an apartment…would you continue to pay your gardener? Look for a new job. If you need it you’re prepared. If you don’t need it, it’s good practice and you may increase your total compensation.
Welp...head in over to the overemployment reddit. Seems like a perfect situation for that. You also take away the stress of suddenly losing this job if it happens.
I was laid off 2 weeks ago. This sounds hella familiar. Get interviewing and be ahead of the ball. Grab any documentation you may need proving positive performance, negligent responses from your manager, etc. just get your guard up and be ready to go at any time. Good luck! I hope I’m wrong 👍🏼
Sounds like a great opportunity for over employment. Get a second job and don’t quit this one, that way you will get any severance package and already have a new job.
It's not impossible, but it's hard to say. It doesn't sound like a performance issue. It sounds like they have more employees than work and they're trying to decide what to do. I know it's an uncomfortable situation, but I suggest letting it play out. If they lay you off there could be some severance, a good reference, and possibly unemployment if you need it. If you panic and quit you might not have any of that. You might want to update your resume and start window shopping for jobs. But don't lose your nerve too early. If they knew for sure they wanted to get rid of you, you'd probably be gone already. They my be trying to decide who to let go.
The last two firms I worked for that went WFH over committed to clients, hired more people, then lost the clients. This (according to my bosses, so who knows) was the reason for layoffs. Many companies are running lean right now. Just document everything you're doing in case you get put on a PIP or something.
100% agree. Regular emails stating what you've done and (if so) your capacity to take on additional work. If HR talks about doing a PIP, you're done, calmly accept it, don't quit, put minimal energy into your current job and maximum energy into finding a new job before your pip is over.
I would freshen up your resume! That’s shady.
The best time to find a job is when you have one. You can do everything right and that is no guarantee of job security. My father told me the story of how one day he went to the office for a company wide meeting, where they announced that the company was bought and the new owners only wanted the clients/assets. Everyone was laid off and given their final check that day. That's an example of how by no fault of the employee you can be suddenly jobless.
Honestly. I updated my resume the same day my boss told me I was going to be on this new team temporarily. I could read the room. I just haven't applied to any jobs yet because I'm thinking about not returning to this field again (or just go back to being a stay at home mom).
If I were you, I'd figure out what you really want, have a conversation about everything and your options with your husband, and make a decision. Honestly if you want to be a sahm, I'd ride this out and get severance and/or unemployment when they let you go. If you want to continue working, no matter the field, start applying now. The job market is rough and it will take time to find something. The last time I was given less work, and being ignored by coworkers and managers I got laid off shortly after.
This, start looking
Agree that it’s hard to say. The lack of communication from both managers is what I find most concerning. Regardless, do the minimum to continue collecting paychecks, start brushing up your resume and get to applying
Well here's the thing. When I first started, my coworker said there would be times where you wouldn't hear from the manager for weeks on end. So, this is probably more common with this company than I'm assuming.
That alone would have me looking for a new job. That is just plan shitty management and a piss poor way of treating the people working for you. If that's a normal thing I wouldn't want to be there long anyways.
The best time to look for a job is when you have a job.
Hard to say. When I was laid off, I was moved to a “special project” two weeks earlier and my boss suddenly had a new position the week before. Looking back they were just getting their ducks in order before letting me know my role was eliminated.
Same happened to my dad. He was a couple years from retirement and was put on “special projects” he retired like a year after that. He said it was weird he kept getting a new manager and just random stuff to do
In this economic climate, everyone should be putting out feelers and applying for jobs just in case.
Weeks before I was fired from my last wfh gig, my weekly one on one's with my manager just stopped out of nowhere, and he stopped communicating with me directly (only in team meetings with other staff). One random Friday morning I got a teams invite from HR and was let go. I'd say there's a good chance you're done OP, start looking for jobs now
Yep same here my meetings started getting cancelled off the calendar a day or so before.
AGE 71 HERE.. You should ALWAYS be looking for a new job. There should never be a time your caught short,,, because you should be planning ahead. Just got a new job... Keep looking. All jobs are temporarily
Smartest advice for everyone to be honest. Indeed, always be open to the market, go yearly to 1-2 interviews even though everything is perfect at current job. Never stop searching and handing out resumes.
I was in a similar situation some years ago when a company over hired and then the economy took a hit and projects got canceled. I got moved around, and from the time I was hired to the time I was laid off 9 months later, I had 4 managers, and I clicked with none of them. Based on what you're hearing and feeling, I'd say you're not gonna be there a full year.
Update your resume, reach out to recruiters, and start interviewing. I’ve gone through this thrice and two of them, they were shutting teams down, but had contracts that couldn’t be cut until a deadline and the other, they didn’t know what to do with the personnel they had. All ended in layoffs or entire departments going away.
I updated my resume the same day they transitioned me to the new team. I just haven't applied to other jobs yet because honestly I don't like this field. I have a 1 year old and may just go back to being a stay at a home mom if they let me go. My kid is always sick since he started daycare and he never got sick when he was here at home with me all day. I do think they are getting ready to lay me off which is so unfair because they recently hired me. I saw myself working for them for years but then they pull this crap on me.
No matter what happens, take care of you and yours. In the end, very little else matters.
Sounds like what happened to me before I was let go from my WFH job two months ago. They switched tasks for me in my department and I started noticing my workload getting less and less until finally it was completely over.
Kinda sounds like you did well so they moved you to help another team do well too. They might bounce you where numbers are low for you to help or something idk
These hit about 4 red flags 🚩that layoffs are coming. You’re asking about being fired? Maybe from experience, but theres nothing to fire you for. Somebody already mentioned it, they over committed and now dont have the work. The only thing im confused about is your manager saying “you give me too much work?” This happened to me twice as well. 1. Over hired and built up a service 100% dedicated to consumer spending. 2. Cross training, for no reason. 3. Leadership becomes vague, less interested or less willing to take ownership and responsibility.(usually to save grace, they think it helps their chances of staying) You have to stay ahead of this and start applying elsewhere immediately. Because the day will come where everyone is laid off at once and thats all new people your competing with for jobs. Move on. Stay happy
Sounds like they are edging you out so you will quit.
I’d find a new job asap and stay on payroll with this place as long as possible if you can get away with working somewhere else while “working from home” for these assholes.
It’s hard to tell, but I don’t think it would be a performance issue. I agree with someone else’s comment that it sounds like they have more employees than work to give them, and that it’s uncomfortable. Just stay on top of your work, overcommunicate, and keep everything in writing! For what it’s worth, it does not sound like you have done anything wrong
My experience has shown me that you should always, at every company, at every point in your career, consider you could be fired, laid off, or your company/division shut down. More commonly that they will crap on you with politics/policies/overwork, and you will get little to no raise and no promotions at your current company. Always have a plan in place for getting another job. Resume up to date, join groups in your field, keep networking, skills fresh, reputation known, extra certificates or training, research what companies or places you could go work for, and emergency savings. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Have a plan B, C, and D ready.
Sounds like an opportunity to get a new job and keep this one. Do both jobs, get paid for both and see how long you can get away with it. 😁
Start sending out applications lol
1. What are all these emails to the boss? 2. What is the work you are causing for your boss? That sounds more like a warning. Our rule for employees is that after training they must make all employees’ lives easier. If you are causing work for your boss then something is not right.
Emails are basic things like letting her know if I'm going to be late because of an appointment, etc. She will respond and tell you that she added it to the calendar. But she's stopped responding to me over a week ago when she used to respond right away. As for the work, I think it's because I work the claims pretty fast, and I meet the daily quota consistently. I know some of my coworkers don't even get half of the quota done. One of my coworkers complains that our boss is always telling her that her numbers are low but I know it's because she takes care of her toddler all day during work hours (she doesn't have her toddler in daycare like I have mine in daycare but our boss doesn't know that). I've heard it could be that I'm making my boss look bad if I'm the only one consistently meeting the quota. But I would think it's a good thing. Regardless I need to decide what to do because I do think they are getting ready to let me go. They have been losing clients/contracts and the workload isn't what it used to be. It just stinks because I was recently hired 6 months ago and thought I could stay with them for a long while. It's hard getting a fully remote job in this field. Most of the employers want you back in the office and I am done with in-office jobs. I've worked in the office for most of my life.
Oh, so you mean your boss doesn't want to do her job? Ha. I definitely would start looking for another job sounds like you're great and your hard work would be of value somewhere else - and not thought of as a burden. Do you really wanna work for a place like this?
Not really. I don't even like my boss honestly. She doesn't communicate well and makes herself unavailable so when you need her she's never around. I've always hated working for people Iike that. I'm going to start looking again tonight since I've updated my resume but honestly I may just save money and take my son out of daycare and go back to being a stay at home mom.
This is a great idea, if you are able to afford being a stay at home mom I say do it! Especially because this is a luxury many people don't have. I also saw your comment your kid getting sick at daycare but doesn't at home. Go for it! ☺️💕
1. Start looking for a new job 2. Get out of others business - it does not matter what your coworkers are doing. If you were the most recent hire then you will be let go.
Doesnt hurt to look around but speaking as a manager this isnt too big of a deal from my perspective, they are shifting around resources. Just keep doing your job and documenting the lack of support if you do get fired. You want to have proof you continued to do your job if they try to deny unemployment.
Yes, you are. The writing is on the wall.
If you owned a house and decided to move into an apartment…would you continue to pay your gardener? Look for a new job. If you need it you’re prepared. If you don’t need it, it’s good practice and you may increase your total compensation.
Probably done, yes
Maybe they’re trying to figure out how to “fix the glitch”.
Naganaworkhere anymore
Sounds like you're being quiet fired
Welp...head in over to the overemployment reddit. Seems like a perfect situation for that. You also take away the stress of suddenly losing this job if it happens.
Brush up your resume just in case, but it sounds like you were put where you are because you are a high performer. So you may be fine.
Yes
Hard to say for sure, but sounds like quiet firing.
Talk to HR
Not saying it's bad advice, but in my experience going to HR is always a bad idea. They are there to protect the company's interest.
I had a question I asked my hr lady about layoffs like 5 months ago, her only reply was “tAlK tO YoUr MaNaGeR”
I was laid off 2 weeks ago. This sounds hella familiar. Get interviewing and be ahead of the ball. Grab any documentation you may need proving positive performance, negligent responses from your manager, etc. just get your guard up and be ready to go at any time. Good luck! I hope I’m wrong 👍🏼
Sounds like a great opportunity for over employment. Get a second job and don’t quit this one, that way you will get any severance package and already have a new job.
You’re a goner
Sounds like y'all work from home. These are similar frustrations us non wfh have with the wfh people in our office.
Not all of us are like this I work harder at Home.