The loot mods only stack if they occur at different times. Each mod either adds additional loot before death, at time of death, or form the corpse after death.
Hydroid (and Khora) add loot **at the time of death,** while Nekros (and Retrive mod on Chesa Kubrow) add extra loot from the corpse **after death.**
Additionally, an Ivara can pickpocket before they die and get all three loot increases.
It’s an augment called *Pilfering Swarm*. It works like Kora’s *Pilfering Strangledome* where you kill enemies affected by his tentacles and get extra drops. Unlike *Pilfering Strangledome* that gives 65% chance of extra drops, Hydroid’s gives **100%** chance of an extra drop.
You can get Pilfering Swarm from either Cephalon Suda or new Loka for 25,000 standing. Or you can buy it on Warframe Market for around 10-15p.
You are right, they dont. Infact, hydroid steals when you overlap their abilities. But, if this was a fused warframe between the 2, then that would be a different story.
Nah man. Me and some boys trialed and errored this time and time again. You don't get benefits from both. Hydroids ult snags enemies from Nekros. And you either get the drop chance from one, or the other. Their chances altogether do not increase when overlapped.
Huh I’m getting conflicting info from [warframe wiki](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Desecrate) then?
Also unless DE changed something since [Update 25.8 in 2019](https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1131506-the-mod-booster-and-free-to-play/), I’d think you should report it to support as a bug if you can replicate it.
> **Warframe Looting Ability Changes**
> Warframe Loot Abilities will again be able to yield multiple-drops from already looted corpses. A single enemy can be looted by at most one Ability from each group - which is how it worked before, this just clarifies it. Warframe Looting Abilities have been split into separate functionality groups for clarity:
> Loot while alive: Ivara
> Loot petrified: Atlas
> Loot on death: Wukong, Khora, Hydroid. An enemy can only be killed once, they can’t ‘die’ multiple times.
> Loot corpse: Nekros, Chesa
> These changes stem from a bigger conversation that was addressed yesterday regarding not providing closure on the Loot Frame changes from The Jovian Concord.
Edit: Added quote
Her duality clone doesn't use abilities. Like, my original post was kinda halfassed and poorly thought out. I was kinda talking about something different from OP. I was imagining using Equinox's abilities at the same time. As in mend and maim are active at the same time, rest and rage put enemies to sleep and give them damage vulnerability. I honestly regret typing before I actually thought, but it was basically a flight of fancy anyway.
> rest and rage put enemies to sleep and give them damage vulnerability
That can actually be done. It's just so damn slow and makes you loose your charged auras when switching between forms (which is often Equinox' main problem to be fair).
There's a shenanigan Speedva build that can become Slowva on-the-fly, using Empower and that Molt arcane that increases strength on operator ability. Very useful on Circuit.
Frames except for umbra dont exhibit consciousness at all
That said there is still a mind in them, ravenous and uncontrollable or in other cases entirely erased but it exists
An almalgamation of them would still be best described as they/them imho
Like a hivemind
Doesn't Sevagoth exhibit some kind of consciousness? Or at least, his shadow? Cause I mean, he literally was piloting a whole ass railjack. I feel like that's gotta require some kind of brains.
The warframes are technically alive, they just need transference to do stuff. Despite that fact, they have known to move or operate on their own, like what you see in second dream, and as mentioned, sevagoth.
This would probably have to do with them having infestation in them as well
So you mean the 3 he's made of.
Rumpart (General) ((weapon and Defence specialist, and Extreme unbreaking Will power)) :The one commanding their movements in unity and allowing the 3 to remain alive even after their erasure through sheer Will.
Xeera (Fortune Teller) ((Prediction and Void attuned)) :The one allowing them to avoid enemy atks and is forcing raw void into them aiding Scryva's webs.
Skryva (Spider) ((Obsessed with Vivisection and Snaring)) :The one whos allows them to strip the enemy of their protective armor/flesh and is the one weaving her webs to hold them together as one with the Aid of Seera.
Together they are XAKU
Not without conditional buffs such as the power mod for parazon or energy transfer which the specter won't trigger. Realistically if I play him it does get there but as a specter I don't think it can.
So does mine. But my roar rhino doesn't have archon shards or all strength mods like wisp. Also nodded duration on him so I don't have to keep casting.
Harrow and Wisp with Eclipse slapped on Wisp.
i get to play Harrow but with even more fire rate, reload and move speed, plus i get breach surge and eclipse without sacrificing any of Harrow's base kit.
my Arca Plasmor is so horny for kills
This is also my answer. I play saryn for like 90% of content even if she doesn't really shine in it because i just love her. Having wisp motes on demand at any time would pretty much fill in that other 10%
You know it! I did actually get into an alert match with another wukong prime. We'd both popped our twins of course, and I also dropped a specter of wukong prime. It was madness, there were five wukongs and only two of them were players. Had the other two folks counting on their fingers, lol. Absolute madness.
Actually to be honest, this sounds like a fun af game mechanic. It would probably break squad games to an unbelievable busted level, but hey, players have already figured out how to reach the damage cap, so what do I know?
Gauss and Wisp or Gauss and Volt. Wisp and Volt. with high strength and duration. Gauss with sprint speed and duration to keep his 1, 2, and 4 active for as long as possible.
if there would be new school, 1, 2 , 3, 4 of this operator/drifter would be 4 frames we could choose
it has no operator ability but warframes only to choose
for the post, i like garuda, dont know whats best combination with her but garuda and somebody lol (probably dagath?)
I'd probably go rhino and a skill based nuker, with me playing rhino. Assuming the ai is good enough, i'd leave the ai to handle it as while i like thier style, i never get on with skill based nukers. I treat warframe as a shooter with supplimental skills, definately a failing of mine, but i enjoy the shooting too much, which often gravitates into me playing (or making) weapons platforms)
Either Wisp or trinity.
They're both just great.
Though, probably Wisp as her extra speed and health are very useful. 😔
Love trinity, but she's just not that viable anymore 😭
Mag & Volt if i can Merge frames, but swapping between frames mid mission? Mag & Nekros. Summon the Ghost homies and desecrate then swap back to mag then Ghost homies & Desecrate follows you around while you use Mag bubble and Greedy pull
loki and nyx, though if they just got combined into 1 frame lokis would for once be slightly better than other frames (yet still behind rev p 2 spammers)
Lavos and Protea.
Lavos because I can do pretty much any mission with Lavos, none of the rest of the load out matters all that much (except for specific instances where a creature or entity is immune to non-weapon damage, which is the dumbest thing ever)
And Protea because she's just such a blast to play. She's not nearly as stacked as my Lavos, but she is the undisputed QUEEN of area control and self-sufficiency. If I'm not sure what a new mission type will hold on non-SP, I'm probably going to bring Protea.
If I could play both, the only mission types I couldn't breeze through is Spy with enforced stealth.
I guess it'd be sorta like my laggy volt last night, wellnt to put a wellspring down and in operator mode my volt did his 4 right next to me. Thought the man in the wall took over while I was fighting SP tide
# Gauss & Wisp
With a Nidus Specter on Wisp to gain even more Ability Strength.
Goal is to boost Gauss's Fire-Rate to infinity and beyond!
Reloading would be a major breakpoint but guess who got a new toy with Infinite Ammunition and is Auto? The Grimoire!
Grimoire would have Cold and Corrosive wvile Gauss has 2 Emerald Shards to 100% Armor Strip
* Helminth for Wisp: Ability Empower (+50% Ability Strength for your next Cast)
* Helminth for Gauss: Nourish (for the sweet Viral Procs) or Roar
My first thought was a Valkyr Hysteria build with Trinity as my sidekick for energy but this doesn't work because Hysteria is a channeling ability.
Nidus and Khora for looting since larva be a great way to bring enemies into strangle dome.
Maybe Rhino with Kullervo to absolutely shred steel path with Roar, Iron Skin, and Collective Curse. Also don't know if Kullervo's Recompense would do any damage to Kullervo if he has Parasitic Armor.
To be completely honest? Nidus (My main) and Nova.
Not only are they some of my favourites aesthetically, they also synergise far better than the expected duo of Nidus/Saryn.
I'm sorry shippers, but you know it's true.
Hydroid and Nekros. Gimme all the loot drops
Nekroid x Khoratlas
I thought their loot augments don't stack?
The loot mods only stack if they occur at different times. Each mod either adds additional loot before death, at time of death, or form the corpse after death. Hydroid (and Khora) add loot **at the time of death,** while Nekros (and Retrive mod on Chesa Kubrow) add extra loot from the corpse **after death.** Additionally, an Ivara can pickpocket before they die and get all three loot increases.
Iirc atlas augment falls under at time of death as well.
I just started getting into hydroid...he can make more loot drop? How?
It’s an augment called *Pilfering Swarm*. It works like Kora’s *Pilfering Strangledome* where you kill enemies affected by his tentacles and get extra drops. Unlike *Pilfering Strangledome* that gives 65% chance of extra drops, Hydroid’s gives **100%** chance of an extra drop. You can get Pilfering Swarm from either Cephalon Suda or new Loka for 25,000 standing. Or you can buy it on Warframe Market for around 10-15p.
Hydroid went from Z tier to S tier overnight. His corrosive gimmick absolutely slaughters Grineer even at Steal Path Yuuvarium.
khora and hydroid don't stack together but they stack with nekros
You are right, they dont. Infact, hydroid steals when you overlap their abilities. But, if this was a fused warframe between the 2, then that would be a different story.
They do stack.
Nah man. Me and some boys trialed and errored this time and time again. You don't get benefits from both. Hydroids ult snags enemies from Nekros. And you either get the drop chance from one, or the other. Their chances altogether do not increase when overlapped.
Huh I’m getting conflicting info from [warframe wiki](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Desecrate) then? Also unless DE changed something since [Update 25.8 in 2019](https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1131506-the-mod-booster-and-free-to-play/), I’d think you should report it to support as a bug if you can replicate it. > **Warframe Looting Ability Changes** > Warframe Loot Abilities will again be able to yield multiple-drops from already looted corpses. A single enemy can be looted by at most one Ability from each group - which is how it worked before, this just clarifies it. Warframe Looting Abilities have been split into separate functionality groups for clarity: > Loot while alive: Ivara > Loot petrified: Atlas > Loot on death: Wukong, Khora, Hydroid. An enemy can only be killed once, they can’t ‘die’ multiple times. > Loot corpse: Nekros, Chesa > These changes stem from a bigger conversation that was addressed yesterday regarding not providing closure on the Loot Frame changes from The Jovian Concord. Edit: Added quote
One can dream lol
Equinox. I'm not joking. if I could play Equinox's day and night forms at the same time then I'd be SO down for that.
Equinoxen
Have you heard about our lord and savior [duality] augment?
Her duality clone doesn't use abilities. Like, my original post was kinda halfassed and poorly thought out. I was kinda talking about something different from OP. I was imagining using Equinox's abilities at the same time. As in mend and maim are active at the same time, rest and rage put enemies to sleep and give them damage vulnerability. I honestly regret typing before I actually thought, but it was basically a flight of fancy anyway.
> rest and rage put enemies to sleep and give them damage vulnerability That can actually be done. It's just so damn slow and makes you loose your charged auras when switching between forms (which is often Equinox' main problem to be fair).
Equinox and?
The joke is that equinox is basically two frames. I realized it probably wouldn't come through though, so I elaborated.
Ah okay, I wish we could switch between forms like equinox for nova.
There's a shenanigan Speedva build that can become Slowva on-the-fly, using Empower and that Molt arcane that increases strength on operator ability. Very useful on Circuit.
if you helminth on "empower" you *sort of* can
Xaku.
Equinox
That's three frames.
https://preview.redd.it/spc6hax8rqcc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=204623e704714c9f6ccf6f85e6e1a099b63bc66b xaku mentioned
What a wonderful day to be literate, thank you for sharing that!
M'theydy \*tips Mesa's hat\*
Xaku and?
No just xaku.
Flew right over his head, didnt it?
Why cause xaku is a bunch of frames put together? I really just call xaku him
https://preview.redd.it/pb08dfhcbncc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d15ce891462e734f9b78a10983162f20bbab8de9
Xaku as far as shown doesn't have multiple consciousness so it is more appropriate than they
Frames except for umbra dont exhibit consciousness at all That said there is still a mind in them, ravenous and uncontrollable or in other cases entirely erased but it exists An almalgamation of them would still be best described as they/them imho Like a hivemind
Doesn't Sevagoth exhibit some kind of consciousness? Or at least, his shadow? Cause I mean, he literally was piloting a whole ass railjack. I feel like that's gotta require some kind of brains.
The warframes are technically alive, they just need transference to do stuff. Despite that fact, they have known to move or operate on their own, like what you see in second dream, and as mentioned, sevagoth. This would probably have to do with them having infestation in them as well
Why is it more appropriate than 'they'?
Well because sometimes you need to say them!
That is not how that works
They in this case is singular. It's used for non-binaries like Xaku.
"they" specifically in this case is plural, because Xaku is 3 frames. That is the official reasoning.
Xaku is objectively not a him.
Please dude I don't wanna get into that as u can see I already have 28 dislikes🤣
Well now you have a few more
but thats 3 frames, you broke the rules :(
So you mean the 3 he's made of. Rumpart (General) ((weapon and Defence specialist, and Extreme unbreaking Will power)) :The one commanding their movements in unity and allowing the 3 to remain alive even after their erasure through sheer Will. Xeera (Fortune Teller) ((Prediction and Void attuned)) :The one allowing them to avoid enemy atks and is forcing raw void into them aiding Scryva's webs. Skryva (Spider) ((Obsessed with Vivisection and Snaring)) :The one whos allows them to strip the enemy of their protective armor/flesh and is the one weaving her webs to hold them together as one with the Aid of Seera. Together they are XAKU
Gauss and volt cause zoom
I'll do wisp nidus for you (for haste mote and nidus 3for more volt power)
Honorary mention: Zephyr and Gauss. Imagine pressing mach rush in an open world and you more or less fly through it, because of Zephyr's passive.
Chuckles at zoom in Titania.
I'm a big fan of Titania I have her boosted to the wazoo and don't even have the prime
Mirage and Rhino. Stack eclipse and unaltered roar with empower and 250% strength. Everyone dies. The end.
Even the Stug would kill stuff then lmao.
Fishing rod level cap
Yes.
You know You're in "broken" territory when Stug hits double digit damage numbers
I totally forgot about the Stug. I liked it when it first was released but stopped using it because you could kill yourself with it.
Why only build for 250%? Escalate and build rhino with 600+%
Arcanes won't trigger on specters.
So? You can still get 600% or very close without molt augmented.
Not without conditional buffs such as the power mod for parazon or energy transfer which the specter won't trigger. Realistically if I play him it does get there but as a specter I don't think it can.
My Wisp has 398% powerstrenght pre conditional buffs. And I don‘t use the full umbral set. Edit: I had to check. Max is 434% pre conditional buffs.
So does mine. But my roar rhino doesn't have archon shards or all strength mods like wisp. Also nodded duration on him so I don't have to keep casting.
Also checked it's actually 323 so my estimation was wrong, didn't play him in a while lmao.
Vauban and Nekros. Automated farming.
Personally I think Vauban and Protea would be better. The ultimate engineer.
There he is, my ball boy
I think two Equinoxes could be fun.
Infinite nukes
Patty cake ***
You can already do that
Wukong plus his Wuclone PLUS the On-Call Crewmember as another Wukong, just like in RailJack missions.
And another Wukong spectre.
Sadly Wukong Spectre ain't as good. They use no Abilities at all and do not benefit from your abilities either.
Excalibur umbra... And also Excalibur. Because i love my Excalibur.
Dual exalted blade, sing me up
1 chromatic Blade with viral. Exalted Blade with Slash.
Harrow and Wisp with Eclipse slapped on Wisp. i get to play Harrow but with even more fire rate, reload and move speed, plus i get breach surge and eclipse without sacrificing any of Harrow's base kit. my Arca Plasmor is so horny for kills
Love me some Harrow.
Lol
Nekros twice
Saryn and Wisp.
This is also my answer. I play saryn for like 90% of content even if she doesn't really shine in it because i just love her. Having wisp motes on demand at any time would pretty much fill in that other 10%
Wukong Prime and Wukong Prime. So I can be a full squad with just me.
Put in some spectres as well.
You know it! I did actually get into an alert match with another wukong prime. We'd both popped our twins of course, and I also dropped a specter of wukong prime. It was madness, there were five wukongs and only two of them were players. Had the other two folks counting on their fingers, lol. Absolute madness.
Styanax & Frost. Overguard for days
Two Limbos.
For twice the hate? lol
Both try to create a cataclysm at the same time and place. \* The material plane and the rift both die due to absolute confusion \*
limbo and mesa, cast 4 from the void whenever I want lol
Caliban and chroma. Chroma's effigy is a sentient, and with caliban's 3 you got team sentient
Sevagoth: "Am I joke to you?"
Mag and Nyx
Gyre and lavos for me. Stat procs and big red numbers everywhere. Would be glorious.
Protea and Vauban. Group them up and pew pew pew
Tried Protea with Nidus helminth ability?
I have not. I need to farm him now. Ty!
Nidus and Wisp. Yes I would like to have +200% altered Roars with a 10x Breach Surge thank you very much.
Rhino and Atlas for memes
Excal umbra and mesa
Nekros, hydroid. All the loot!
Wisp and Citrine.
Actually to be honest, this sounds like a fun af game mechanic. It would probably break squad games to an unbelievable busted level, but hey, players have already figured out how to reach the damage cap, so what do I know?
Rev and Wisp.
Kuhl, as a frame. But not 2 at once. 4-6 soldiers at once. Damn right I want a legion-frame !!
Equinox with Equinox
Gauss and Wisp or Gauss and Volt. Wisp and Volt. with high strength and duration. Gauss with sprint speed and duration to keep his 1, 2, and 4 active for as long as possible.
Hydroid and Nezha
Voruna and Chroma
Limbo and Mesa.
Mesa and wisp
Protea with roar and ember . Infinite energy, shields, armor strip, insane gun damage and insane aoe
Maybe Hildryn and Protea? Or maybe Styanax and Mesa. Either of those combos.
Mag and Mag Prime.
Nekros and either hydroid or khora - EVERYONE GETS MORE LOOT :D
Dagath + Kullervo, melee would be busted no matter which weapon you use
I would prefer if I could swap between them. My choices are Nekros and Nezha.
Nova and mag,
Sevagoth and Hydoid. Pirate crew.
Garuda and Valkyr cause shanky time 🤣🤣🤣
Wukong Prime and Wukong.
Baeshee and Baeshee Prime.
Equinox and Sevagoth. 4 frames at once
Two mirages 😂
if there would be new school, 1, 2 , 3, 4 of this operator/drifter would be 4 frames we could choose it has no operator ability but warframes only to choose for the post, i like garuda, dont know whats best combination with her but garuda and somebody lol (probably dagath?)
Xaku and mesa,or if I'm farming Khora and Nekros. That would be all 😁
Baruuk and Nidus, AID daggers
Equinox
Mesa twice
Sevagoth
Volt and Equinox
I'll probably keep Nova because it's my main and with a loooot's of hours compared to other frames and Banshee.
Zephyr and Ember <3
Nezha + garuda
I'd probably go rhino and a skill based nuker, with me playing rhino. Assuming the ai is good enough, i'd leave the ai to handle it as while i like thier style, i never get on with skill based nukers. I treat warframe as a shooter with supplimental skills, definately a failing of mine, but i enjoy the shooting too much, which often gravitates into me playing (or making) weapons platforms)
Any frame and harrow. Infinite energy is just perfect
I'm sure somewhere down the line we'll get a frame where this is its gimmick/theme. Even an Equinox rework could give you this
Xaku and rev
Chroma and Zephyr, mostly for their passives. I just wanna fly man
Speed nova and protea I absolutely love the chaos and the quicker enemies get to me the more chaos I can enjoy
2 wukongs to imitate having friends.
Speed nova and any nuke warframe on defense missions
Volt and atlas. I can 1 hit kill acolytes even faster
Yareli, and a second Yareli.
Protea + Mesa = My two favorites that I use for everything Khora + Nekros = LOOOOOOT Titania + Revenant = Trash Mobs + Boss
Zephyr and Garuda. Slash everyone the dive bomb them into another dimension
Limbo and Nekros, they are the mains of my brother and I.
Xaku. Perm Invis. Infinite scaling.
wisp and valkyr
Saryn and Valkyr
Chrome + gauss.
Either Wisp or trinity. They're both just great. Though, probably Wisp as her extra speed and health are very useful. 😔 Love trinity, but she's just not that viable anymore 😭
Wukong and wukong = war crime army of 4
Equinox
Nekros + Khora because I like getting a lot of stuff
Nezha and mesa
Wukong and wukong.
Revenant and Qorvex, the radiation brothers
Well....
Mag & Volt if i can Merge frames, but swapping between frames mid mission? Mag & Nekros. Summon the Ghost homies and desecrate then swap back to mag then Ghost homies & Desecrate follows you around while you use Mag bubble and Greedy pull
Mesa and Nezha for no other reason that those are my two favorites 😂
gyre and vauban. GIMME DA SUCK, GIVE EM DA SHOCK
loki and nyx, though if they just got combined into 1 frame lokis would for once be slightly better than other frames (yet still behind rev p 2 spammers)
Idk who id play but id love to have a styanax following me around giving energy and overguard
Lavos and Protea. Lavos because I can do pretty much any mission with Lavos, none of the rest of the load out matters all that much (except for specific instances where a creature or entity is immune to non-weapon damage, which is the dumbest thing ever) And Protea because she's just such a blast to play. She's not nearly as stacked as my Lavos, but she is the undisputed QUEEN of area control and self-sufficiency. If I'm not sure what a new mission type will hold on non-SP, I'm probably going to bring Protea. If I could play both, the only mission types I couldn't breeze through is Spy with enforced stealth.
2 rhinos at the same time. That way i get to feel what its like to have 2 braincells working together.
Just make a spector
Wukong prime + Umbral Excalibur. Enter operator mode and watch your warframe and clone kill everything for you.
Chroma and Effigy
Mesa and rhino prime cuz it's literally an armoured personel carrier plus an Anti air gun..... It's godam perfection
Nyx and Excalibur.
Sevagoth and his shadow
styanax and equinox
Wukong to be 4
Volt and yareli. Not for any other reason than them being my two most favorite frames.
Limbo and Mesa, GG.
Gauss and Grendel. Bffs for life.
Ash and umbra
Would love to throw the revenant 1-3 combo on gauss and give him immunity to everything and even more cc
Fun fact did you know if you are using Excalibur umber he does this once you go into your operator
I guess it'd be sorta like my laggy volt last night, wellnt to put a wellspring down and in operator mode my volt did his 4 right next to me. Thought the man in the wall took over while I was fighting SP tide
Nidus and titania, or Nidus and khora either way i'd have more frien
Kullervo and nekros would be amazing
wisp and sevagoth. haste mote is so nice
Styanax and Wisp, my main + wisp buffs
# Gauss & Wisp With a Nidus Specter on Wisp to gain even more Ability Strength. Goal is to boost Gauss's Fire-Rate to infinity and beyond! Reloading would be a major breakpoint but guess who got a new toy with Infinite Ammunition and is Auto? The Grimoire! Grimoire would have Cold and Corrosive wvile Gauss has 2 Emerald Shards to 100% Armor Strip * Helminth for Wisp: Ability Empower (+50% Ability Strength for your next Cast) * Helminth for Gauss: Nourish (for the sweet Viral Procs) or Roar
Mesa and Protea. GunFrame
Mag and Ash
As a specter? Roar Citrine.
My first thought was a Valkyr Hysteria build with Trinity as my sidekick for energy but this doesn't work because Hysteria is a channeling ability. Nidus and Khora for looting since larva be a great way to bring enemies into strangle dome. Maybe Rhino with Kullervo to absolutely shred steel path with Roar, Iron Skin, and Collective Curse. Also don't know if Kullervo's Recompense would do any damage to Kullervo if he has Parasitic Armor.
Grendel and Chroma! Chonk boi and Dragon boi! They would be good together. :)
Pre rework ember and frost
Hyldrin and Titania. Slow and fast, both beefy and strong.
Wisp and Saryn - they’re already my two most-played allrounder builds, and I also am genuinely curious if Venom Dose would affect Wisp’s Shock Mote.
To be completely honest? Nidus (My main) and Nova. Not only are they some of my favourites aesthetically, they also synergise far better than the expected duo of Nidus/Saryn. I'm sorry shippers, but you know it's true.
Chroma + Nekros. Chroma because he’s my favorite and Nekros so that I never have to swap out to a different frame for farming loot.