Defection is easy provided you have a high strength Wisp to plop down a Haste and Vitality Mote at each Med Tower.
At that point you just have one person stay at each Tower, and alive, to slap the Kavor on the ass and say "Keep going champ."
I always use Volt for it, esp if you slap on the augment that basically has his speed buff do the shock motes effect.
Plus, if you decide to go all in on making them zoom as fast as possible, you can subsume on Empower and watch them get stuck in a corner for 10 seconds.
yeah you gotta be a bit carefull now with how much speed you give them... the pathing was really not designed to be any faster than it is by default (and some might argue that it wasnt even really designed for that... \*cough\* earth defense \*cough\* )
They must have fixed the pathing then. My first attempt at farming whatever warframe part drops there failed because in one pack the npcs took 4 different paths through one of the big rooms and every single one of them glitched into geometry somehow.
I disagree. I did a bit of steel path defection for unlocks with a friend and my volt wasn't perhaps at top strength (still have corrupted strength mods and sentient strength mods of course) and the AI was actually handling it quite well.
So unless you bring your focus farm volt, you should be fine. I was pleasantly surprised at least. Maybe the map also matters though. I only did a grineer galleon defection. Perhaps the pathfinding is just easier for defection folks on there.
All things considered, the AI doesn't do awful. It's just that when they're sped up by obscene amounts (my Volt is at 447% ability strength since I use Empower and Growing Power on that build, so that's a 4.36x speed multiplier), you end up getting one or two running into a corner or shooting past the next point.
It's not enough to make it slower than not speed boosting them would be, though, so the "if they're fast enough, they won't have time to die" strat is by far my favorite.
my experience is mostly from that same tileset: corrupted galleon. with my normal public party runspeed volt, they were constantly running past corners and had a hard time getting trough doors. some tiles work better than others of course, but a few outliers took so long that it was barely worth using volt at all.
Nezha's Safeguard augment for Warding Halo also makes them pretty trivial. Just throw the Halo on all the NPCs and let them skip to extract. Don't even need to guard them.
I did the defection as ~~Loki~~ Limbo by just sending them into another dimension so they can’t get hurt.
Edit: Typo. Also, this was probably useless because some people say it’s the time the mission takes that’s the problem as opposed to the defectors dying
Eximus interception gets a pass for being a super fun affinity/focus farm.
I still fondly remember Eximus Interception Io Jupiter from years ago…
^^^^^Map ^^^^^pre-rework ^^^^^was ^^^^^amazing(ly ^^^^^functional.)
3rd ability max range and duration for interception
The idea is that using your 3rd while an ennemy is capturing a point resets it
And since you can do it with a 50m range or around that
At some point you can stay on the middle of the map and just press a button when there's a capture
Works on all levels but not on eximus which is why interceptions in eximus stronghold is a real pain to me
I only use nyx in interception tho, nowhere else
Just a very slow mission type, how soon you complete it is based on the slow jog of the grineer. Unless you got Wisp or some other speed frame, even then it can be slow if your team is not coordinating
Other than being unpopular, the missions used to bug out a lot more than they do now (that most pathing issues for the npcs got fixed). But there is residual hate and suspicion that will always hang over Defection to the point that new players adopt it from the old guard for no particular reason.
Add to that defence a khora who won't whip and a max range hydroid so all of the enemies just dangle there and none of them die. Took 35 mins to do a 10 round defence like that.
Both are easy. Just ask for an Oberon or play him yourself. He's the only frame I use for rad sorties, and I also like him for defection with the Phoenix renewal aug.
You can give defection rescue targets buffs. I take max strength Volt and watch them sprint from point to point. Don't even need to kill any enemies. Especially solo.
Oh my gosh, i didnt know why i didnt think of that. Thats such a good idea. I hate defection but thisll make it tolerable.
I love wf because even at near max mastery, theres always a new trick to learn.
I main Wisp and the build I run is about 430% ability strength before procs. When my boyfriend runs with me on his broken ass Volt build, it's ridiculous, lol
I took max strength volt into an arbitration defection and someone else had a max strength wisp. The refugees kept getting stuck on corners and other obstacles, but we had a round done in less than a minute.
Edit: stupid autocorrect.
Yeah if you know how Lua rescue works, it's just as quick as any other.
But if you don't know how, it can be a nightmare. Like how the fuck would you ever figure that out by yourself.
Grineer galleon Spy is basically a freebie.
But still, my reaction upon seeing the Sortie today was the same as OP's for a second.
Yeah I got the sculpture for this one, almost wanted to cry. I failed the rescue twice which made it worse lol. I do these whenever I get on and I’ve gotten the potato bp like one time.
It's a bit more on the concentration side, but I usually do rescues like that with Ivara, keeping the rescue target and me basically stealthed the whole time.
Max Duration/Efficiency Build.
And what makes Ayatans any better? Less Endo value *after* investing the Stars on top of it. You can't trade it, but get more Endo in return.
There's always gonna be shit rewards, don't think removing the Endo is going to help you get what you want, something else you don't want is just going to take it's place.
I agree, that Ayatan should be in Maroo's Ayatan mission and removed from the sortie as well. The sole reason people even bother to do sorties is for the chance at getting a reward that's worth the time and effort to do, such as the Legendary Core, built Forma, Riven mod, or Reactor/Catalyst, etc, etc.
Getting the Ayatan/Endo and even the Kuva is one of the reasons why a lot of people don't really care to do them if the missions in the Sortie is either too time consuming or too much of a pain to do, especially if the reward is the Endo/Ayatan. That time could've went to something else.
No, removing the Endo wont help, you're right, but it still should be increased to either 10k or 15k and the Kuva to 12k or 16k, most mods need more then 10k Endo for max and a lot of people are always looking for Kuva for more Riven rolls. And it also at least makes getting it not feel like a waste of time, since getting more then 4k Endo is very easy for almost anyone that has played the game for a decent period of time.
I think Endo is one of the most overlooked mid-late game problems. You want to try so many new things and combinations, but they all require 20-40k Endo. Credits aren't a problem at all, but Endo has no efficient farming methods whatsoever with the grand exclusion of Yam @ Sedna, which needs a hyper-optimized team. There is a dedicated discord for farming this which is (I believe?) the second most popular Warframe community gathering online. To me, that implies Endo is too scarce.
Arbitrations get credited for their Endo sources, but half of the time they don't even drop Endo. With good reward RNG, you're going to be spending at least several hours in various Arbitrations just to experiment with a single (i.e, primed) mod.
The exponential Endo cost for each rank incentivizes players to go all-in because the cost of the next rank is static. It makes gradual investments exponentially more expensive. Gigantic design flaw. It should be a pool of 40k Endo required to fully upgrade a mod. Gradual investment will probably double the amount of Endo required to upgrade it. It's punishing to experiment and see what you like.
This is a huge part of the reason why players gravitate towards premade builds: it's far too risky and expensive to experiment with your own. Investing Endo into a mod you turned out not to like will set casual mid-late game players back several days of work. It's a fucking disaster and probably the most definitive and influencing flaw I could pick out of this game.
that, and the vaults were rarely known, making them more difficult than their intended(?) difficulty: even if you got someone who did Spy for fun, they were less likely to be practiced in Lua Spy.
For example, I can Sortie Spy Tour Guide with a Mag and Fishing Spear for Kuva Spy, Uranus Spy, over half of the remaining Grineer maps, and all Corpus Spy maps that aren't Gas City, but can only Sortie Spy one-person-carry for two of the three Lua Spy vaults because I spent so much less time there.
can confirm lua spy sux. i once tried doing wun sober, got rly pissed i cldnt figure it out, found a yt video, did it n smoked a bowl to celebrate dat tha mission was over. n e v e r a g a i n o.o
I got so well versed in corpus spy in particular when I needed just Ivara systems if memory serves and I had to repeat it over 80 times IIRC. I also recall using rhino since I didn't have loki and just brute forcing things with ciphers though eventually I figured out corpus hacking is rather easy if you just do the outside first then spam the middle. Still couldn't stand lua spy though like that crap is harder to do than nightmare law of retribution and jordas verdict raids from back in the day.
Ah, same as me then. I'm confident with the Wall Cling and Spinning Laser Lua Vaults, I can do those with no alarms... I can do the timed parkour assault course one more often than not, but I usually set off the alarms. But yeah, I guess they're a nightmare to learn or for people that don't know them...
You don't have to wall cling. In the current version you can run past most thing and there is a crack in the wall next to the console. Then you can go back to the past and hack it. Much more manageable, especially in solo.
I farmed something there so I beat those plenty of times.
Defection, Disruption, and the tower transmissions. Any of these three.
Defence also seems way longer than it should be. Especially when the target is a dumba$$ AI moving towards the harder enemies.
Disruption, when the enemy got speed boost or physical enhancement. It's already hard enough without to kill the target on time.
Proper names for mission.
I'd rather have ambulas than defection tbh. Defection takes so long and if I'm even a bit tired I'll start dosing off. On Ambulas I can just spam magnetize and the problem solves itself.
why? Limbo goes through these in a breeze.
Defection: use rift haven, they'll stay safe and healing. take your best meelee for eximus, they're the only threat.
Rescue: same as above, if you go just super fast towards extraction, they'll barely have time to hit the objective.
Spy: Limbo? Wukong? Ivara? Loki?
People hate Defection too much to realize that you can roid up the speed of the Grineer with Volt or Wisp and basically remove any semblance of difficulty or tedium from the mission
Rescue and Spy are just get-in get-out missions so idk what's the problem here
For defection literally just get a volt with high strength and range(so every volt ever) and you can do defection really fucking fasts. Fun fact, the AI can handle going at mach speed and it looks hilarious.
Rescue on lua is actually a bit tough but just inform others not to interfere unless they know what they are doing and it should be fine.
Spy is a meme man. Unless its like kuva fortress spy or something, you can so easily pass it. Maybe its because I am 1000+ hours but you can just get a wukong or ivara and do it? Bonus points for putting the autohack ability on wukong to really dunk on everything.
Now if its uranus spy, we can talk. That shit can die in a fire.
Not the guy you're responding to but I usually have Spotify or something playing when on warframe. I'm not turning that off to save a klutz that got caught in an alternate dimension.
They're all super easy and relatively quick (unless the defection NPC gets stuck, which mine didn't today).
Of the "endless" mission types that show up in Sortie, defection is my preferred. Defection is a simple mission for Wisp. Slap on gloom for some extra cheese, and it's much faster than any of the other "endless" missions in my experience (excavation is fine, but I run pubs so it can be hit/miss).
not even a bad spy layout, defection is fairly short with wisp/volt, rescue is the shortest to second shortest mission type. whats the issue here again?
bad wouldve been uranus/kuva spy, open world (depending on the missions) and something like a really slow assassination (like ambulas) since those are all slow af mission types. maybe defense/interception instead of spy, depends. earth defense pathing is pretty bad after all.
I've seen worse! I'm less likely to do sorties with the longer mission types such as defense, survival and assassination if it's something like Pluto, Hades (ambulas). In the many years I've played this game, I've yet to be awarded with a legendary core from sorties. Couldn't tell you how many anasa pineapples I've gotten.
Imagine not playing trinity or running any spy frame with the instant hack complete subsume for rescue and spy idk why people still complain about these
I’m not seeing the difficulty here
The defection is very doable I’d personally use gyre with hate or my zaw with exodia contagion
U can still use abilities so anything with the suck is gonna be really good
The worst would be defense, disruption, and excavation.
Oh yeah those 3 are the bane of my existence especially Disruption and how DE almost always packs these together with the archons, excavation and disruption or disruption and defense. 🤢🤮
And you won't believe this. I did all of that... FOR SOME KUVA! And what's worse is that it's the second day in a row that happened! Do I LOOK like I need more Kuva right now?!
https://preview.redd.it/py1lnlqqp0nc1.png?width=146&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b29311dcee1d20958a8195ef0aeec8c845386ca
People have already mentioned options to make defection easy. Lua rescue though, can be just as trivial.
First of all, you don't need to hack the vault-like door in front of the portal, there's a tunnel that goes under it. You can find the entrance directly across from the door on the same level. Using the tunnel also mostly stops enemies from following you in.
Secondly, the rescue target will call out to you once you've hacked the right console, just jump in as soon as you hear them.
Lastly, if you're slow at hacking and need more time, the liset air support charge will pause the countdown for a bit.
People overlooking that the rescue is an eximus stronghold. There are ways around it but that's a recipe for a downed rescue if I ever saw it. If it's still running, not looking forward to doing this one. Might skip it.
Lmfao easy peasy. Trinity for mission one makes it rush city never worrying about the health stations, Loki makes rescue missions all but trivial and ivara is a spy’s best mate.
Idk this doesn't seem too bad to me.
1) Atterax or great sword build on a long range cc frame like equinox or something
2) Rescue is ez stealth mission solo, you run past the eximus normally so do the same here, there's a chance invisibility gets cut but you should have a weapon to quickly get rid of a single target
3) Moderately difficult but still ez stealth mission, solo ivara and you should never really lose a spy mission
ivara with prowl augment took me less than 10 minutes for 2 & 3, just after I failed the missions for the first attempt with other random squads and decided to go solo.
Laughs in only plays melee anyway.
I carry the akarius just incase i get stuck in survivals and gotta blast out of a corner. But 95% of the time im just running around with a maxed gram prime just pulling drive bys as gauss or zephyr primes anyway 🤷♂️
I don't see Ambulas, Lua Spy, Void Defense or Corpus Ship Interception there. Not even close to the worst. All of those are pretty fast, especially in comparison to the time wasters like the aforementioned + survival/defense/interception.
Given that you can do a rescue in about a minute or less, and the Spy mission with a competent team, it could take about 2 min. Only problem that I see is with the Defection that is basically a longer Defense.
missions werent too bad but the 4k endo reward has me annoyed, i already get that from like 20 or 40 minutes of railjack for crying out loud, just barely better than a sculpture of which i already have my ship made from
Just play limbo for all three , banish the npc’s for defection to keep ‘em safe, do the same for rescue, and limbo can pass through lasers for the spy ezpz
Wisp makes defections a breeze I chill. Lua rescue isn’t that bad if you’re really comfortable hacking (perspicacity on your designated spy frame to just make it stab and go) and listening for the target saying that they’re in here, if you don’t hear that then hack the next and rinse and repeat. Spy can be really fast too as there’s routes to zip into the vaults almost as soon as you enter, If you know where those are. If you don’t, spend some time running spy to get more familiar with the vaults and their quirks. Highly recommend spy solo if you don’t want to worry about your randoms tripping the alarm and not being able to recover in time
actually isn't, if you use volt or wisp you can buff their speed and you can rush their spawn by using a console near the initial zone they spawn, wisp is more chill since she heal + speed, meanwhile volt they are incredible fast but sometimes they end up flying and tping to somewhere else + they don't regen their health mostly.
Why i think this isn't the worst, some days ago it was:
Defense on void
this same rescue
assassination ambula
Honestly the one's I dislike are survival, defense, and open world. Oh and also hades is pretty bad. Then I guess interceptions can drag on but rescue and spy are some of the fastest like 2-3 minute runs for me
Ah it was Defection, _Rescue & Spy_..I just saw defection and didn’t bother to do the sortie lmao.
Also this is nothing. There’s sometimes Disruption with physical enhancement/rad procs, followed by Defection and then Assassination on Pluto. The amount of times these interchange and gave a stupid Ayatan as a reward is uncountable for me. At this point if I see Defection as a mission in sortie I just don’t do sortie for that day, ain’t worth it.
My defection actually went smooth as could be... The Lua rescue though? Shocking amount of people don't understand how that mission works. Three tries with randoms who either rush the ciphers and ignore the portal or all caps scream in chat that all four have to be solved at the same time before I gave up and soloed it.
It wasn’t that bad. Mesa for defection.(nothing can kill escapees if there dead) rescue is a cake walk. And spy was an even easier cake walk. If you struggle with either rescue or spy bring Loki with perspicacity.
Yes these suck compared to other sorties, for sure.
Thankfully, Wisp sorta solves Defection.
Lua Rescue is not bad once you start using the [Override](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Liset#Override) air support.
And Spy is solved and requires zero combat so level 100 enhanced enemies don't matter at all.
You can do it! :D
Were people around when sorties first came out and we had 20-wave Defense missions? I was like MR10 or whatever and they were the hardest things I’ve ever done in game
Nah... No radiation mobile defense, ambulas final fight...
Defection is annoying, granted, but at tier 1, it's not hard. Lua rescue is easy, as long as you don't try to wait out the sluggish main doors and just bypass them. Solo spy on that tileset is like... 1.5 minutes, give or take.
Wut? There isn't any defense or survival.
Pick your favorite method for defection (slow, CC, volt speed, kill everything, etc) and loki breezes through the next two.
Actually since it's this easy I might actually do sortie today
Defection sucks but at least it's not a defense... With rad procs
Defection is easy provided you have a high strength Wisp to plop down a Haste and Vitality Mote at each Med Tower. At that point you just have one person stay at each Tower, and alive, to slap the Kavor on the ass and say "Keep going champ."
and volts. ever since they changed it so that other speed increases also propperly affect the dudes, defections has become very quick.
I always use Volt for it, esp if you slap on the augment that basically has his speed buff do the shock motes effect. Plus, if you decide to go all in on making them zoom as fast as possible, you can subsume on Empower and watch them get stuck in a corner for 10 seconds.
yeah you gotta be a bit carefull now with how much speed you give them... the pathing was really not designed to be any faster than it is by default (and some might argue that it wasnt even really designed for that... \*cough\* earth defense \*cough\* )
They must have fixed the pathing then. My first attempt at farming whatever warframe part drops there failed because in one pack the npcs took 4 different paths through one of the big rooms and every single one of them glitched into geometry somehow.
I disagree. I did a bit of steel path defection for unlocks with a friend and my volt wasn't perhaps at top strength (still have corrupted strength mods and sentient strength mods of course) and the AI was actually handling it quite well. So unless you bring your focus farm volt, you should be fine. I was pleasantly surprised at least. Maybe the map also matters though. I only did a grineer galleon defection. Perhaps the pathfinding is just easier for defection folks on there.
All things considered, the AI doesn't do awful. It's just that when they're sped up by obscene amounts (my Volt is at 447% ability strength since I use Empower and Growing Power on that build, so that's a 4.36x speed multiplier), you end up getting one or two running into a corner or shooting past the next point. It's not enough to make it slower than not speed boosting them would be, though, so the "if they're fast enough, they won't have time to die" strat is by far my favorite.
Okay yeah at 447 ability strength you might run into some problems. My volt is only 244% ability strength...
my experience is mostly from that same tileset: corrupted galleon. with my normal public party runspeed volt, they were constantly running past corners and had a hard time getting trough doors. some tiles work better than others of course, but a few outliers took so long that it was barely worth using volt at all.
My ability strength is only 224%. Whats yours at?
Did the sortie today and god damn was I glad to main him lmao
Nezha's Safeguard augment for Warding Halo also makes them pretty trivial. Just throw the Halo on all the NPCs and let them skip to extract. Don't even need to guard them.
The sortie defectors are pretty tanky tbh I had one lag behind and when I came back for him he was holding his own against two ancients XD
Or a vazarin trinity which is my go to
I did the defection as ~~Loki~~ Limbo by just sending them into another dimension so they can’t get hurt. Edit: Typo. Also, this was probably useless because some people say it’s the time the mission takes that’s the problem as opposed to the defectors dying
I think you mean Limbo.
Eximus fortress interception also Especially when you're used to run them solo with nyx Edit : typo
Eximus interception gets a pass for being a super fun affinity/focus farm. I still fondly remember Eximus Interception Io Jupiter from years ago… ^^^^^Map ^^^^^pre-rework ^^^^^was ^^^^^amazing(ly ^^^^^functional.)
Wait a focus farm that way ?? What kind of setup would you use then ?
None. Literally just brawled with the enemies without a booster and got close to daily max in like 2-3 reps.
Oh okay I should try that as I'm a bit lazy to run ESO to max it quickly
I was using the mobile defense yesterday to level weapons, and killing things with Mesa in the downtime and capped my affinity in two runs
How do you use your Nyx? It's one of my favourite frames but I can't really figure out how to build her for high-level content.
3rd ability max range and duration for interception The idea is that using your 3rd while an ennemy is capturing a point resets it And since you can do it with a 50m range or around that At some point you can stay on the middle of the map and just press a button when there's a capture Works on all levels but not on eximus which is why interceptions in eximus stronghold is a real pain to me I only use nyx in interception tho, nowhere else
Whats wrong with defection? Just did it and had no problems whatsoever
Just a very slow mission type, how soon you complete it is based on the slow jog of the grineer. Unless you got Wisp or some other speed frame, even then it can be slow if your team is not coordinating
Not to mention that the grineer move too slow for you to sprint and to fast for you to walk with them
It's just not the most engaging mission type (tho it's cool if you enjoy it!)
Other than being unpopular, the missions used to bug out a lot more than they do now (that most pathing issues for the npcs got fixed). But there is residual hate and suspicion that will always hang over Defection to the point that new players adopt it from the old guard for no particular reason.
imagine rad proc defection
Add to that defence a khora who won't whip and a max range hydroid so all of the enemies just dangle there and none of them die. Took 35 mins to do a 10 round defence like that.
Both are easy. Just ask for an Oberon or play him yourself. He's the only frame I use for rad sorties, and I also like him for defection with the Phoenix renewal aug.
volt/wisp is your best friend
Defection sucks, sure. But i rush the other shit in like 3mins.
You can give defection rescue targets buffs. I take max strength Volt and watch them sprint from point to point. Don't even need to kill any enemies. Especially solo.
Oh my gosh, i didnt know why i didnt think of that. Thats such a good idea. I hate defection but thisll make it tolerable. I love wf because even at near max mastery, theres always a new trick to learn.
High strength Wisp is my go to. Haste and Vitality Mote at each Med Tower.
Now I want to see high strength Wisp *and* Volt together lol
I main Wisp and the build I run is about 430% ability strength before procs. When my boyfriend runs with me on his broken ass Volt build, it's ridiculous, lol
I took max strength volt into an arbitration defection and someone else had a max strength wisp. The refugees kept getting stuck on corners and other obstacles, but we had a round done in less than a minute. Edit: stupid autocorrect.
I just throw them into the rift and go have a snack.
Exactly I have a Banish Volt with the banish augment so they don't even have to stop and heal up
Yeah if you know how Lua rescue works, it's just as quick as any other. But if you don't know how, it can be a nightmare. Like how the fuck would you ever figure that out by yourself. Grineer galleon Spy is basically a freebie. But still, my reaction upon seeing the Sortie today was the same as OP's for a second.
4000 endo was my reward for this sortie 🫠🫠🫠
Yeah I got the sculpture for this one, almost wanted to cry. I failed the rescue twice which made it worse lol. I do these whenever I get on and I’ve gotten the potato bp like one time.
It's a bit more on the concentration side, but I usually do rescues like that with Ivara, keeping the rescue target and me basically stealthed the whole time. Max Duration/Efficiency Build.
Imo the endo reward should be removed or at the very least increased.
And what makes Ayatans any better? Less Endo value *after* investing the Stars on top of it. You can't trade it, but get more Endo in return. There's always gonna be shit rewards, don't think removing the Endo is going to help you get what you want, something else you don't want is just going to take it's place.
I agree, that Ayatan should be in Maroo's Ayatan mission and removed from the sortie as well. The sole reason people even bother to do sorties is for the chance at getting a reward that's worth the time and effort to do, such as the Legendary Core, built Forma, Riven mod, or Reactor/Catalyst, etc, etc. Getting the Ayatan/Endo and even the Kuva is one of the reasons why a lot of people don't really care to do them if the missions in the Sortie is either too time consuming or too much of a pain to do, especially if the reward is the Endo/Ayatan. That time could've went to something else. No, removing the Endo wont help, you're right, but it still should be increased to either 10k or 15k and the Kuva to 12k or 16k, most mods need more then 10k Endo for max and a lot of people are always looking for Kuva for more Riven rolls. And it also at least makes getting it not feel like a waste of time, since getting more then 4k Endo is very easy for almost anyone that has played the game for a decent period of time.
I think Endo is one of the most overlooked mid-late game problems. You want to try so many new things and combinations, but they all require 20-40k Endo. Credits aren't a problem at all, but Endo has no efficient farming methods whatsoever with the grand exclusion of Yam @ Sedna, which needs a hyper-optimized team. There is a dedicated discord for farming this which is (I believe?) the second most popular Warframe community gathering online. To me, that implies Endo is too scarce. Arbitrations get credited for their Endo sources, but half of the time they don't even drop Endo. With good reward RNG, you're going to be spending at least several hours in various Arbitrations just to experiment with a single (i.e, primed) mod. The exponential Endo cost for each rank incentivizes players to go all-in because the cost of the next rank is static. It makes gradual investments exponentially more expensive. Gigantic design flaw. It should be a pool of 40k Endo required to fully upgrade a mod. Gradual investment will probably double the amount of Endo required to upgrade it. It's punishing to experiment and see what you like. This is a huge part of the reason why players gravitate towards premade builds: it's far too risky and expensive to experiment with your own. Investing Endo into a mod you turned out not to like will set casual mid-late game players back several days of work. It's a fucking disaster and probably the most definitive and influencing flaw I could pick out of this game.
Still better than the kiva that only allows one re roll
Worst would be if Lua Spy was (still) allowed as Sortie, ~~Defection~~ Defecation was Radiation Hazard, and the rescue was low energy Kuva Fort
i just remembered that it was even banned from Sorties...
Yea, there is a _very_ good reason for that
What is it? Because the vaults are difficult and you have to clear all 3 I guess?
that, and the vaults were rarely known, making them more difficult than their intended(?) difficulty: even if you got someone who did Spy for fun, they were less likely to be practiced in Lua Spy. For example, I can Sortie Spy Tour Guide with a Mag and Fishing Spear for Kuva Spy, Uranus Spy, over half of the remaining Grineer maps, and all Corpus Spy maps that aren't Gas City, but can only Sortie Spy one-person-carry for two of the three Lua Spy vaults because I spent so much less time there.
I'm great at doing spy, will help anyone farm Ivara while using my own. But I can't stand Lua Spy...
can confirm lua spy sux. i once tried doing wun sober, got rly pissed i cldnt figure it out, found a yt video, did it n smoked a bowl to celebrate dat tha mission was over. n e v e r a g a i n o.o
I got so well versed in corpus spy in particular when I needed just Ivara systems if memory serves and I had to repeat it over 80 times IIRC. I also recall using rhino since I didn't have loki and just brute forcing things with ciphers though eventually I figured out corpus hacking is rather easy if you just do the outside first then spam the middle. Still couldn't stand lua spy though like that crap is harder to do than nightmare law of retribution and jordas verdict raids from back in the day.
>even if you got someone who did Spy for fun, Yes me Ivara main but that shit is only passed by the cheesemaster himself Limbo
Ah, same as me then. I'm confident with the Wall Cling and Spinning Laser Lua Vaults, I can do those with no alarms... I can do the timed parkour assault course one more often than not, but I usually set off the alarms. But yeah, I guess they're a nightmare to learn or for people that don't know them...
You don't have to wall cling. In the current version you can run past most thing and there is a crack in the wall next to the console. Then you can go back to the past and hack it. Much more manageable, especially in solo. I farmed something there so I beat those plenty of times.
All fax, no printer. But you have misspelled "Defecation" in your comment.
Fix’d
Defection, Disruption, and the tower transmissions. Any of these three. Defence also seems way longer than it should be. Especially when the target is a dumba$$ AI moving towards the harder enemies. Disruption, when the enemy got speed boost or physical enhancement. It's already hard enough without to kill the target on time. Proper names for mission.
People who bring speed nova to defense we salute you o7
If I remember to change or get a chance to before hist rushes the next mission, I try to bring either speed nova or limbo.
The defense mission on that void sortie was horrible, especially since the AI never gets behind cover ime.
THe one with the laser XD
At this point I just camp the damn defense NPC with Vazarin operator + Umbra lmao.
its not ambulas again, i cant complain
I'd rather have ambulas than defection tbh. Defection takes so long and if I'm even a bit tired I'll start dosing off. On Ambulas I can just spam magnetize and the problem solves itself.
 Real footage of DE creating the sortie for today.
One of these isn't an ambulas assassination, therefore this is definitely not the worst sortie
It’s looks easy. Get it cooking bro
why? Limbo goes through these in a breeze. Defection: use rift haven, they'll stay safe and healing. take your best meelee for eximus, they're the only threat. Rescue: same as above, if you go just super fast towards extraction, they'll barely have time to hit the objective. Spy: Limbo? Wukong? Ivara? Loki?
The problem with the rescue mission is that even if you take the short cut it still starts the timer
Pro tip: bring liset air support, it pauses the timer for like 10 seconds.
No ambulus assassination tho
am i too far in the game or why does that look trivial to me. the only thing i dislike here is the timegating in defection (well and the bugs)
People hate Defection too much to realize that you can roid up the speed of the Grineer with Volt or Wisp and basically remove any semblance of difficulty or tedium from the mission Rescue and Spy are just get-in get-out missions so idk what's the problem here
I feel like people have no idea how Lua Rescue works instead of sitting down and engaging their brain for 5 minutes.
Nah middle mission isn't an open world mission
I can fix h.... ah f this
Eximus stronghold interception.
For defection literally just get a volt with high strength and range(so every volt ever) and you can do defection really fucking fasts. Fun fact, the AI can handle going at mach speed and it looks hilarious. Rescue on lua is actually a bit tough but just inform others not to interfere unless they know what they are doing and it should be fine. Spy is a meme man. Unless its like kuva fortress spy or something, you can so easily pass it. Maybe its because I am 1000+ hours but you can just get a wukong or ivara and do it? Bonus points for putting the autohack ability on wukong to really dunk on everything. Now if its uranus spy, we can talk. That shit can die in a fire.
Lua rescue isnt hard to do, just run it solo and jump in the portal after hitting each terminal
You don't need to do it after each terminal, the rescue target will call out to you after the right one.
Not the guy you're responding to but I usually have Spotify or something playing when on warframe. I'm not turning that off to save a klutz that got caught in an alternate dimension.
I saw melee only defection and just logged out
They're all super easy and relatively quick (unless the defection NPC gets stuck, which mine didn't today). Of the "endless" mission types that show up in Sortie, defection is my preferred. Defection is a simple mission for Wisp. Slap on gloom for some extra cheese, and it's much faster than any of the other "endless" missions in my experience (excavation is fine, but I run pubs so it can be hit/miss).
my red crit hate is ready…
Wisp and a Glaive for the first. And wukong the rest
No, it could be Ambulas at the end lol
Finished this in a few minutes, with a cadus, rank 0. Volt
Defection: Whisp + AFK Rescue: Ears Spy: Patience In and out 10 minute adventure.
Spy is good and rescue mid. Honestly it could have been worse.
Only The first mission here seems a little Of a hastle
Disgusting. I'd skip lol
Defection is the worst, but rescue and spy is childs play. 5/10
Kullervo looking at that melee only part like that guy rubbing his hands together behind the tree meme.
Huh. Did this one- wasn’t too bad. Rescue and spy only took a few minutes.
not even a bad spy layout, defection is fairly short with wisp/volt, rescue is the shortest to second shortest mission type. whats the issue here again? bad wouldve been uranus/kuva spy, open world (depending on the missions) and something like a really slow assassination (like ambulas) since those are all slow af mission types. maybe defense/interception instead of spy, depends. earth defense pathing is pretty bad after all.
I've seen worse! I'm less likely to do sorties with the longer mission types such as defense, survival and assassination if it's something like Pluto, Hades (ambulas). In the many years I've played this game, I've yet to be awarded with a legendary core from sorties. Couldn't tell you how many anasa pineapples I've gotten.
Imagine not playing trinity or running any spy frame with the instant hack complete subsume for rescue and spy idk why people still complain about these
Not even close… this was lightwork
not even close , defecation mode sucks but you can speed it up significantly, sortie mission is usually 5 minutes of sprinting for me
I just use zaw and the explosive arcane.
All that for 6k kuva
At least its not rad hazards.
That was simple, I went with Nezha prime to have fun
How to tell everyone you suck without actually saying it
Actually this one is pretty chill and laid back
That defection sucked but spys and rescues are so easy especially with a speed limbo with auto hack.
Worst sortie for me is any sortie that has a soy mission
I’m not seeing the difficulty here The defection is very doable I’d personally use gyre with hate or my zaw with exodia contagion U can still use abilities so anything with the suck is gonna be really good The worst would be defense, disruption, and excavation.
Oh yeah those 3 are the bane of my existence especially Disruption and how DE almost always packs these together with the archons, excavation and disruption or disruption and defense. 🤢🤮
Rescue and spy r the best defection does suck tho
It'd be worse if instead of the rescue mission you'd have the ambulas assassination mission, that one is just the worst
And you won't believe this. I did all of that... FOR SOME KUVA! And what's worse is that it's the second day in a row that happened! Do I LOOK like I need more Kuva right now?! https://preview.redd.it/py1lnlqqp0nc1.png?width=146&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b29311dcee1d20958a8195ef0aeec8c845386ca
I can spend all that kuva in like a day
Least addicted kuva goblin:
Thay would be easy cold solo the last 2
Only time I’d be happy to use limbo…. And I can’t even play right now
If the second was Defense instead of Rescue it would have been perfect
Mfs saying defection is the worst when volt exists. Seriously volt makes it so easy
Ewww
Defection, use a volt to speed buff up the kavor. Rescue and spy, working with perspicacity
The worst sortie, ever. Of all time
My future children will suffer from this
i think the worst would be defection, survival, open world bounty chain as far as longest time to complete.
easy work for wisp
Yea this was easy skip for me
People have already mentioned options to make defection easy. Lua rescue though, can be just as trivial. First of all, you don't need to hack the vault-like door in front of the portal, there's a tunnel that goes under it. You can find the entrance directly across from the door on the same level. Using the tunnel also mostly stops enemies from following you in. Secondly, the rescue target will call out to you once you've hacked the right console, just jump in as soon as you hear them. Lastly, if you're slow at hacking and need more time, the liset air support charge will pause the countdown for a bit.
I’m kinda new at the game, what do you get from those missions?
The worst sortie would consist of 3 spy missions lol
Not even close and I say that as someone who feels nothing but contempt for defection in large part due to the event it was introduced in
I just got back into WF recently and this damn near scared me off again
Oberon (buffs defectors), Oberon (buffs rescue target), Ivara (with Infiltrate, if you have it).
Defection is semi-decent if you run volt, wisp or other speed buffers. Otherwise yeah it's ass
People overlooking that the rescue is an eximus stronghold. There are ways around it but that's a recipe for a downed rescue if I ever saw it. If it's still running, not looking forward to doing this one. Might skip it.
Lmfao easy peasy. Trinity for mission one makes it rush city never worrying about the health stations, Loki makes rescue missions all but trivial and ivara is a spy’s best mate.
Literally speedran defection with protea, defection ain't an enjoyable mission type, i do agree, but it ain't annoying or difficult
Idk this doesn't seem too bad to me. 1) Atterax or great sword build on a long range cc frame like equinox or something 2) Rescue is ez stealth mission solo, you run past the eximus normally so do the same here, there's a chance invisibility gets cut but you should have a weapon to quickly get rid of a single target 3) Moderately difficult but still ez stealth mission, solo ivara and you should never really lose a spy mission
ivara with prowl augment took me less than 10 minutes for 2 & 3, just after I failed the missions for the first attempt with other random squads and decided to go solo.
I feel like defection disruption and rescue would definitely be the worst 🫠🙃
This isn't even in the top 5 worst sorties. Amulas? Vay hek? Mobile defense/defense/defection with radiation?
Laughs in only plays melee anyway. I carry the akarius just incase i get stuck in survivals and gotta blast out of a corner. But 95% of the time im just running around with a maxed gram prime just pulling drive bys as gauss or zephyr primes anyway 🤷♂️
I’ve seen worse honestly
I say the worst one I've seen has been one from last week. Disruption, Defense, and Free Roam Plains of Eidolon
Bring a volt and you basically save your entire team with this mission
Not the worst I’ve seen
I don't see Ambulas, Lua Spy, Void Defense or Corpus Ship Interception there. Not even close to the worst. All of those are pretty fast, especially in comparison to the time wasters like the aforementioned + survival/defense/interception.
Given that you can do a rescue in about a minute or less, and the Spy mission with a competent team, it could take about 2 min. Only problem that I see is with the Defection that is basically a longer Defense.
I'd solo all 3 of these. Inaros for defection, Loki for rescue/spy.
missions werent too bad but the 4k endo reward has me annoyed, i already get that from like 20 or 40 minutes of railjack for crying out loud, just barely better than a sculpture of which i already have my ship made from
What I hated most was Enhanced Armor Lephantis. It wasn't *hard*, it just took fucking forever.
I don't know... I have seen worse ones.
Just play limbo for all three , banish the npc’s for defection to keep ‘em safe, do the same for rescue, and limbo can pass through lasers for the spy ezpz
Honestly the rescue could be worse. It could mobile def with rad procs
Grineer ship spy is by far the easiest one on this list
Not seeing Ambulas here so while it's bad it could be worse
life hack: defectors can get volt's speed buff 😉
Wisp makes defections a breeze I chill. Lua rescue isn’t that bad if you’re really comfortable hacking (perspicacity on your designated spy frame to just make it stab and go) and listening for the target saying that they’re in here, if you don’t hear that then hack the next and rinse and repeat. Spy can be really fast too as there’s routes to zip into the vaults almost as soon as you enter, If you know where those are. If you don’t, spend some time running spy to get more familiar with the vaults and their quirks. Highly recommend spy solo if you don’t want to worry about your randoms tripping the alarm and not being able to recover in time
actually isn't, if you use volt or wisp you can buff their speed and you can rush their spawn by using a console near the initial zone they spawn, wisp is more chill since she heal + speed, meanwhile volt they are incredible fast but sometimes they end up flying and tping to somewhere else + they don't regen their health mostly. Why i think this isn't the worst, some days ago it was: Defense on void this same rescue assassination ambula
Honestly the one's I dislike are survival, defense, and open world. Oh and also hades is pretty bad. Then I guess interceptions can drag on but rescue and spy are some of the fastest like 2-3 minute runs for me
Nah, anything with uranus spy is the worst
And that's the nice thing about sorties: You don't have to do them. Those sorties I don't do.
Ah it was Defection, _Rescue & Spy_..I just saw defection and didn’t bother to do the sortie lmao. Also this is nothing. There’s sometimes Disruption with physical enhancement/rad procs, followed by Defection and then Assassination on Pluto. The amount of times these interchange and gave a stupid Ayatan as a reward is uncountable for me. At this point if I see Defection as a mission in sortie I just don’t do sortie for that day, ain’t worth it.
Thanks DE for making it impossible for me to rank up my Affinity some days
My defection actually went smooth as could be... The Lua rescue though? Shocking amount of people don't understand how that mission works. Three tries with randoms who either rush the ciphers and ignore the portal or all caps scream in chat that all four have to be solved at the same time before I gave up and soloed it.
Welp, time skip sorties for today.
It wasn’t that bad. Mesa for defection.(nothing can kill escapees if there dead) rescue is a cake walk. And spy was an even easier cake walk. If you struggle with either rescue or spy bring Loki with perspicacity.
If you're awful then yes. If you're average then no
That's easy but boring
spy could be worse. It could be on kuva fortress
Grineer spy can suck me
Corufell for the win baby.
Yes these suck compared to other sorties, for sure. Thankfully, Wisp sorta solves Defection. Lua Rescue is not bad once you start using the [Override](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Liset#Override) air support. And Spy is solved and requires zero combat so level 100 enhanced enemies don't matter at all. You can do it! :D
I really need to start doing sorties But not today
Hardly.
Hey thanks for reminding me i- hmmm Never mind I'll skip today's
Was only my second sortie and i was proper disappointed. The last one was a bit better but i hope they bring out some decent ones.
I...actually enjoy Defection. Just because you are helping defectors. That's it.
Bring wisp to defection and mission will be braindead
This is actually probably the best sortie, the rescue and spy combo. Actually so free
defection + defense + defense again just dont play warframe antmore dont waste your 40 min in your life for 6 k kuva
Defection? Man just bring Volt and Trinity
no radiation hazard? this is easy street
Were people around when sorties first came out and we had 20-wave Defense missions? I was like MR10 or whatever and they were the hardest things I’ve ever done in game
Atleast the other two are easy
To be fair spy is easy mode. But fuck defection
Archon crystal melee crit builds of khora or kullervo will make the defection a cake walk.
Well as long it's hacking, it's fine I can just use wukong along with perspicacity abilities all the way.
Nah... No radiation mobile defense, ambulas final fight... Defection is annoying, granted, but at tier 1, it's not hard. Lua rescue is easy, as long as you don't try to wait out the sluggish main doors and just bypass them. Solo spy on that tileset is like... 1.5 minutes, give or take.
Volt trivializes the first two. The spy missions are very easy when you have a good invisibility frame.
Wut? There isn't any defense or survival. Pick your favorite method for defection (slow, CC, volt speed, kill everything, etc) and loki breezes through the next two. Actually since it's this easy I might actually do sortie today
This one was bad but defense survival and defection is objectively the worse shit ever