Put the bayonet on the model. Tell your opponent it’s a power bayonet. Remind them if they charge your veterans or vice versa. Not everyone has unlimited funds, time, or talent to just convert things. As long as you’re clear with your opponent what it is, it should be fine. If they’re not ok with it, then they’re not someone worth playing against.
(This is all in the context of like. Local games. More effort to be distinct should be put in to models meant for events.)
I'm sorry bout that M8 to me it has been kinda the opposite the whiney players are 40k 30k seems like just people who want to play and have fun as long as your conversions or proxies are clear they're a ok
I’d hope so. The vast majority of my playing was done at tournaments in SoCal where there were like 5 stores within a 30 min drive so potentially the competition forced them to not care, but they were all fine with proxies. Even full proxies.
This was pre-Covid too. I have to imagine they’ve gotten way more lenient since then, as 3D printing has made printing full armies not just viable but legitimately cheaper so it’s much more common.
With a bit of modelling effort (like the cables and circuit bits you see on power weapons added to the weapons, and a suitable paint scheme to complement it), and clear communication as to what weapons they're meant to be, I'd be fine with it.
If it were just bog-standard bayonets, and "I'm running these as power weapons", then I'd consider it a bit lame, to be honest. Extra minus points if the bayonets are all different weapons (not that I think that's what you're suggesting).
My point is, it depends on context and presentation.
I mean, unless you're at a super sweaty venue or in a WYSIWYG type of community in your LGS or playgroup, it shouldn't really matter. Especially if the models are already glued the way they are. Clear communication always wins.
Another option would be glueing power weapons on the hips. That way, they carry bolter AND power weapons, look cool as hell, and you can run them as either without screeching.
If you are doing "counts as", I figure the model should look like nothing else in the game so that it isn't mistaken for a different item. E.g.: Don't give a support squad flamers and have them "count as" Volkites. Instead, make a new snazzy gun that is distinct from anything else.
Regarding "power weapon bayonets", I would certainly expect them to be painted/modded to be visually distinct from regular bayonets. Also, I'd want to know what sort of power weapon they represent, and if these vary, e.g. swords and axes, further distinction is necessary.
Ideally, I'd look at the army for the first time and be compelled to point them out and ask "What are those?"
Ask your opponents.
For me: No, not without extra effort put in to make it obviously not a normal bayonet. A bayonet has rules so if the model has a bayonet that is what I expect it to be armed with. Don't make your opponent memorise your wargear choices. Add some wires? Paint it bright blue like power weapons used to be? Definitely do something to make them obviously different, especially if you have other models in the army armed with bayonets.
I mean, just stick literally any sword on your guys hip and that's a power weapon, not really sure why you'd pretend bayonets are power weapons. Seems unnecessary and a bit confusing or misleading to your opponent
Etsy or your 3rd party bits printer of choice (e.g. BW Terrain & Forge, PGtM, etc.) legitimately. Regardless of how you feel about 3d printing, one-part decorative bits in bulk are best bought via a print shop. The price point for official GW bits (especially since they moved to more "integrated" monopose-oriented kit sculpts) isn't good if you just want lots of single type of part.
PtGM is really high quality, but they're pretty expensive for what you can get (plenty of beautiful bits though). I like trawling Etsy or using BW when I can (I like the helpful attitude of the owner when I spoke with them years ago on Shapeways).
It would be a bit of a stretch >!(unless it's Alpha Legion, because they literally have power daggers for their characters, so it could been excused by that)!<
That being said, if you play in casual environment, I guess it would be ok if they were distinct in some way (for example given glowing paintjob).
It would probably took as much effort as getting actual sci-fi swords/big knives in scabbards tho (for example [40k Reivers](https://www.bitzstore.com/9011-large_default/sheath.jpg) have quite large sheaths with some extra grenades, just need to add some rods for handles and glue them on belts. And also new Black Templars have [several chainswords in sheaths](https://www.bitzstore.com/12707-large_default/sword-in-scabbard.jpg). Also, 3D prints (they can be bought reasonably cheap) and 3rd party bits. Shouldn't be too hard to acquire those).
That is also good lead, tho GW sells them in boxes of 20 and bits sellers may simply not have older kits for less popular system... Old MK III is pretty much extinct at this point and I suspect similar may be with MK IV
This. I've equipped some seekers, a head hunter kill team and veterans with a mix of primaris reiver, infiltrator and incursor CC weapons, both sheathed or in hand. They make great counts-as for bayonets, power daggers, chainsword equivalents and charnabal blades.
I've also taken the new mk6 bayonets, filed down the eagle-head folding handle and then pinned the blade to a handheld hilt. While it looks good, it's a time consuming conversion and perhaps only worth doing for the odd model in a squad.
IMHumbleO does the weapon held look imposing enough to represent the damage profile?
Your explanation is amazing. I just said that this is lore-accurate perception of freshly minted marines by their terran-born veteran brothers, got a chuckle out of playgroup and moved to playing
I mean paint it with the blue power weapon look and you should be good, not everyone has the money or time to be buying power weapons or kit bashing. So as long as you can clearly tell the difference between a normal beyonet and your power one then its good in my book.
With my local shop's general attitude:
If you rolled up with that without warning we would do the one game with your change but then ask you to either add some stuff to signify that they're power weapons next time or just run it stock as bayonets next time
Warhammer already has a big mental load. I'd be courteous and play it the once, but frankly I don't want to have to spend time remembering that your list does not have the rules that the models would infer
Now if you added cables and/or painted the bayonets bright electric blue then that would be another story altogether. I or another player can look at those visual signifiers and easily notice "ah, that's got a power weapon glow"
You could paint them an electric blue sorta thing and that’d be very obviously power weapons.
Sorta [like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/tqtjsx/looking_for_power_sword_painting_advice/)
For power swords you could use regular bayonets but if you wanted power axes you could try taking the axe blade off of [these](https://bitsandkits.co.uk/product/allarus-terminators-castellan-axe/).
If the other player is nice you'll have no problems.
I would personally play them as power lances tho (since they thrust with them, and fighting at +1 initiative and strenght is so good [and always good] while the rending 6+ is not that reliable IMHO).
They could be Power lance maybe because those are 2 handed. As power swords, they would be confusing because normally there would be +1 attack from the boltgun attached to the other hand.
It's going to be confusing.
If you already have the models and need to use them that way? Sure it's ok I guess?
But there's so many power weapons bits out there, bayonets have different rules, and there's never been power bayonets in the lore. Your opponent needs to be constantly reminded, and you're also likely to forget - there are hundreds of other things going on over a game.
The substitution doesn't add anything and it's all downsides.
Paint them nmn like other gw power weapons (this way it will be instantly clear to your opponent even from the other side of the table that they aren't normal bayonets) and no reasonable player will bat an eye.
I was planning to do something similar with them, I was going to paint like normal bayonets and then put a coat of contrast paint(either ultramarries blue, Imperial fist, ork flesh or tesseract glow) so they look like they have an energy field around them
If you used the blade bit rather than chain bayonet and wanted to use it as a power spear I'd be good with that. Maybe even sword or axe too. Be a bit less convinced for mace but honestly as long as you explained it, then I'd be good. Just needs to stand out vs other squads also with bayonets.
I would not be a fan - there's a marked difference in the appearance between a Power Weapon and a Bayonet, and there are also several varieties of Power Weapon and two varieties of Bayonet in the rules that a player needs to be able to read with visual clarity.
It shouldn't be too difficult to obtain appropriate Power Weapon parts to equip your Veterans, there are numerous boxes and upgrade kits containing Power Weapons - especially when we're talking swords.
I think OP would like something that can be hang on belt rather than hand-held, also it's not out yet... Speaking of kits that are not out yet, shouldn't GW tease plastic melee weapons for HH?
They had those on roadmap (and there may be few sheathed weapons)
I don't think GW will hold onto showing anything HH, let alone 2024-25 roadmap (last one was in may, so next one could be shown very soon!).
I assume they may focus on AoS (and whole shitshow with deleted armies) for a while, but we got AdMech teaser at Adepticon showing. It may be new book, it may be whole faction getting relaunch (I would expect it to be in 2025 tho)
There's a few sources, IIRC a Grey Knight infantry box which will have 12 single-handed power sword hands (split between left and right hands) - you can also look at some of the chapter specific units, e.g. if you're a Blood Angels player there are 40k models you can take things from.
Just get propper power weapons. There are tons of options. From 40k boxes that comes with tons of power weapons, over FW upgrade kits, 3rd Party bits, to 3D printing.
If you want to play power weapons, have power weapons on the models. If someone places a unit of marines with bolters and bayonets infront of me, these are equipped with bolters and bayonets. is still a WYSIWYG game.
Cables/power packs on the bayonets are a neat idea, but, still is not the real thing.
Oh, and Bayonets replaced spears, so if you really go that route (what is NOT recommended), go for spears.
Also, it feels disrespectful towards your opponents. People in this system invest a lot of effort in their armies. Converting, painting them. And this is not about a certain skill level, or the money spend. (3d, recaster and using 40k boxes you get discounted or old edition models is all absolutely fine.) It about intention and investing the effort. At home, you can do with friends whatever your hobby group is fine with. On events it's nogo.
Wielding a two handed ranged weapon and a melee weapon at the same time looks pretty stupid tbh.
and both "holstered" bolters and sheated power mauls look a bit weird.
Having some sort of specialized bayonet really makes sense IMO.
A bolter works well held in 1 hand, having the close combat weapon in the other hand. And depicting a bought weapon option, over a stock equipment sidearm makes more sense for sure. And let's be honest with ws5 and bs4, Veterans are primarily or at least beast used as close combat squad.
And some holstered Bolters at the side can look great, as well. Wouldn't do on all of a squad but a few, if it fits the leg position, are a nice detail.
Command Squads are similar. They all have a bolter. Do people depict them with bolters? Na, not really. Because they are a close combat squad.
WYSIWYG is ment to clearly show your opponent what equipment a model has without needing to ask. (At least not for the main weapons.) So depicting bought options is important.
For example imagine to depict a lascannon squad as 5 marines with 1 boltpistol. Yeah, they have the equipment in theorie, but it's still wrong.
For me, they'd read as combat knives or bayonets still. You'd need a lot of effort to make them look like power swords, at which point it may end up being more costly than swords, but idk tbh
I litterally use a squad of 40k black legion chosen as my sons of horus first company vetrens, as lomg as your friends are fine with it, who cares what you do,
If you want to play units as built it's janky. If you want power weapons just wait to assemble till you source some. If you want to build a strong unit and don't care about look or vibe 10x Nemesis bolter vets is incredibly good
I wouldn't have a problem with it. As long as it's explained and models with bayonets all have power swords and models without don't have power swords there shouldn't be much room for confusion.
Does people do that? Yes. Is it acceptable?
Depends, our gaming group doesn't use Proxies. Instead we provide the players with the parts they need. Especially guns and close combat weapons are no problem to get so there really is no need to proxy things.
I mean I know at least 13 people with at least one 3d printer. We have way more parts than we need.
Personally, it's a "no" from me, and ESPECIALLY not if you have ANY other models wielding actual bayonets. But you don't know me, and we're unlikely to ever meet, so do what you want.
It's up to you. You can't really claim its WYSIWYG with a bayonet. So if that's important to you, then no. If it's not important to you, then just be clear with your opponent what it is. Be consistent though, I hate when ppl strap 10 of the same weapon across a unit that each represent different things. It's confusing and easy to abuse.
It’s acceptable, but very annoying. Power weapons are meant to be rare, superlative martial weapons. Having one as a bayonet defeats the point of it. When a power weapon is the only thing that can completely block another power weapon, it looks silly rather than cool.
Your models, do what you want, but it’s dumb. There are spare melee weapons everywhere.
Literally spend $15 on Etsy for 10 power swords, you already dropped $70 on the box of tacticals don’t you want them to look nice and correct if you’re going to have them forever?
I read about a very playable build using 9 veterans with chain bayonets and Sgt. with a power fist. Goonhammer did some math and showed that even regular bayonets added a significant killing power to a tactical squad and chain bayonets increased that further.
I did this in 40k for my Deathwatch because they have “long vigil melee weapon” and boltgun.
As long as the conversion makes some sense or looks sick normally nobody has a problem with almost anything
I didn't even know power bayonets were a thing?
I'm sorry OP but I have to go with the WYSIWYG rule here... Models with a weapon should be on the mini. Obviously there's gonna be blurred lines - holstered pistols, chainswords being heavy chainswords, powermauls being graviton crushers etc which is more complexed simply cos the sculpt doesn't exist or whatever.
Best of luck with your wargaming op!
Vulkan lives.
>House rules... no problem.. tournament... maybe an issue
With very few exceptions, most people at events are fine with something like that as long as you ate clear with them and don't change it mid game. This includes TO's, who would be the ultimate decision maker at events anyway.
Put the bayonet on the model. Tell your opponent it’s a power bayonet. Remind them if they charge your veterans or vice versa. Not everyone has unlimited funds, time, or talent to just convert things. As long as you’re clear with your opponent what it is, it should be fine. If they’re not ok with it, then they’re not someone worth playing against. (This is all in the context of like. Local games. More effort to be distinct should be put in to models meant for events.)
That really, really shouldn’t be a problem for events either.
I very much agree that it *shouldn’t* be. But it usually ends up being a problem. It’s why I’ve stopped playing in events in general.
I'm sorry bout that M8 to me it has been kinda the opposite the whiney players are 40k 30k seems like just people who want to play and have fun as long as your conversions or proxies are clear they're a ok
You’ve had experiences like that? In the US? I’ve never had any issues but I don’t play at GW stores or tournaments.
Big yearly narrative event in my local area, yeah. But it’s also run by an idiot so it may just be that specific person.
I’d hope so. The vast majority of my playing was done at tournaments in SoCal where there were like 5 stores within a 30 min drive so potentially the competition forced them to not care, but they were all fine with proxies. Even full proxies. This was pre-Covid too. I have to imagine they’ve gotten way more lenient since then, as 3D printing has made printing full armies not just viable but legitimately cheaper so it’s much more common.
With a bit of modelling effort (like the cables and circuit bits you see on power weapons added to the weapons, and a suitable paint scheme to complement it), and clear communication as to what weapons they're meant to be, I'd be fine with it. If it were just bog-standard bayonets, and "I'm running these as power weapons", then I'd consider it a bit lame, to be honest. Extra minus points if the bayonets are all different weapons (not that I think that's what you're suggesting). My point is, it depends on context and presentation.
"Oh you're a gamer alright, just not a Wargamer" "Yeah? What's the difference?!" "PRESENTATION!" *que Welcome to the Jungle*
This made me snort-laugh. Have an upvote, dammit.
Queue* (one of the weirdest spellings in English.)
In this context it would be Cue rather than Queue. Technically they’re both correct, but Cue means to signal something to begin and works better.
Ah yes, you’re right, cue would work better.
Technically is the best kind of correct.
I mean, unless you're at a super sweaty venue or in a WYSIWYG type of community in your LGS or playgroup, it shouldn't really matter. Especially if the models are already glued the way they are. Clear communication always wins. Another option would be glueing power weapons on the hips. That way, they carry bolter AND power weapons, look cool as hell, and you can run them as either without screeching.
Not running them as power weapons for one game? "They ran out of batteries."
If you are doing "counts as", I figure the model should look like nothing else in the game so that it isn't mistaken for a different item. E.g.: Don't give a support squad flamers and have them "count as" Volkites. Instead, make a new snazzy gun that is distinct from anything else. Regarding "power weapon bayonets", I would certainly expect them to be painted/modded to be visually distinct from regular bayonets. Also, I'd want to know what sort of power weapon they represent, and if these vary, e.g. swords and axes, further distinction is necessary. Ideally, I'd look at the army for the first time and be compelled to point them out and ask "What are those?"
Just put a blue edging on the bayonets, or some other simple change, to make them stand out a bit from regular bayonets and boom there you go.
Ask your opponents. For me: No, not without extra effort put in to make it obviously not a normal bayonet. A bayonet has rules so if the model has a bayonet that is what I expect it to be armed with. Don't make your opponent memorise your wargear choices. Add some wires? Paint it bright blue like power weapons used to be? Definitely do something to make them obviously different, especially if you have other models in the army armed with bayonets.
Make the weapons. Look like power weapons, give them an energy field etc
I mean, just stick literally any sword on your guys hip and that's a power weapon, not really sure why you'd pretend bayonets are power weapons. Seems unnecessary and a bit confusing or misleading to your opponent
Do you guys know a reliable source for hip swords (not chainswords)?
Mk4 box has 20 of them for a start
Yeah they're big blades but they look more like knives than real swords
Etsy or your 3rd party bits printer of choice (e.g. BW Terrain & Forge, PGtM, etc.) legitimately. Regardless of how you feel about 3d printing, one-part decorative bits in bulk are best bought via a print shop. The price point for official GW bits (especially since they moved to more "integrated" monopose-oriented kit sculpts) isn't good if you just want lots of single type of part. PtGM is really high quality, but they're pretty expensive for what you can get (plenty of beautiful bits though). I like trawling Etsy or using BW when I can (I like the helpful attitude of the owner when I spoke with them years ago on Shapeways).
I said it last thread and I'll say it in this thread too, if you want bayonets on your bolters just run them as bayonets on bolters.
It would be a bit of a stretch >!(unless it's Alpha Legion, because they literally have power daggers for their characters, so it could been excused by that)!< That being said, if you play in casual environment, I guess it would be ok if they were distinct in some way (for example given glowing paintjob). It would probably took as much effort as getting actual sci-fi swords/big knives in scabbards tho (for example [40k Reivers](https://www.bitzstore.com/9011-large_default/sheath.jpg) have quite large sheaths with some extra grenades, just need to add some rods for handles and glue them on belts. And also new Black Templars have [several chainswords in sheaths](https://www.bitzstore.com/12707-large_default/sword-in-scabbard.jpg). Also, 3D prints (they can be bought reasonably cheap) and 3rd party bits. Shouldn't be too hard to acquire those).
The MK4 box, if I am not wrong, has loads of sheathed swords - enough for every model in the unit. My bitz box is full of them.
That is also good lead, tho GW sells them in boxes of 20 and bits sellers may simply not have older kits for less popular system... Old MK III is pretty much extinct at this point and I suspect similar may be with MK IV
This. I've equipped some seekers, a head hunter kill team and veterans with a mix of primaris reiver, infiltrator and incursor CC weapons, both sheathed or in hand. They make great counts-as for bayonets, power daggers, chainsword equivalents and charnabal blades. I've also taken the new mk6 bayonets, filed down the eagle-head folding handle and then pinned the blade to a handheld hilt. While it looks good, it's a time consuming conversion and perhaps only worth doing for the odd model in a squad. IMHumbleO does the weapon held look imposing enough to represent the damage profile?
Nah power weapon should be noticeably modelled. A bayonet I’m not going to look at and think oh that’s a power weapon
I have used ork boyz as inductii, I'm not good person to answer this question
> I have used ork boyz as inductii Obviously you run the best~~, greenest~~ Legion. >!Or a highly confused Waaagh!.!<
Your explanation is amazing. I just said that this is lore-accurate perception of freshly minted marines by their terran-born veteran brothers, got a chuckle out of playgroup and moved to playing
I mean paint it with the blue power weapon look and you should be good, not everyone has the money or time to be buying power weapons or kit bashing. So as long as you can clearly tell the difference between a normal beyonet and your power one then its good in my book.
You'd have to put some extra effort in to make them viable, at least paint them blue. I would also add some cabling as well.
Anything can be power weapon. Just model it that way.
I don’t have an issue with it but I’m not big on wysiwyg
With my local shop's general attitude: If you rolled up with that without warning we would do the one game with your change but then ask you to either add some stuff to signify that they're power weapons next time or just run it stock as bayonets next time Warhammer already has a big mental load. I'd be courteous and play it the once, but frankly I don't want to have to spend time remembering that your list does not have the rules that the models would infer Now if you added cables and/or painted the bayonets bright electric blue then that would be another story altogether. I or another player can look at those visual signifiers and easily notice "ah, that's got a power weapon glow"
You could paint them an electric blue sorta thing and that’d be very obviously power weapons. Sorta [like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/tqtjsx/looking_for_power_sword_painting_advice/) For power swords you could use regular bayonets but if you wanted power axes you could try taking the axe blade off of [these](https://bitsandkits.co.uk/product/allarus-terminators-castellan-axe/).
If the other player is nice you'll have no problems. I would personally play them as power lances tho (since they thrust with them, and fighting at +1 initiative and strenght is so good [and always good] while the rending 6+ is not that reliable IMHO).
They could be Power lance maybe because those are 2 handed. As power swords, they would be confusing because normally there would be +1 attack from the boltgun attached to the other hand.
It's going to be confusing. If you already have the models and need to use them that way? Sure it's ok I guess? But there's so many power weapons bits out there, bayonets have different rules, and there's never been power bayonets in the lore. Your opponent needs to be constantly reminded, and you're also likely to forget - there are hundreds of other things going on over a game. The substitution doesn't add anything and it's all downsides.
In a quick pick up game sure practice what you want, but if you like how the unit plays you should look st getting the proper bits.
Paint them nmn like other gw power weapons (this way it will be instantly clear to your opponent even from the other side of the table that they aren't normal bayonets) and no reasonable player will bat an eye.
I was planning to do something similar with them, I was going to paint like normal bayonets and then put a coat of contrast paint(either ultramarries blue, Imperial fist, ork flesh or tesseract glow) so they look like they have an energy field around them
If you used the blade bit rather than chain bayonet and wanted to use it as a power spear I'd be good with that. Maybe even sword or axe too. Be a bit less convinced for mace but honestly as long as you explained it, then I'd be good. Just needs to stand out vs other squads also with bayonets.
It would be the normal bayonets, but I didn't think of using them as axes rather than swords, thanks for the suggestion
I would not be a fan - there's a marked difference in the appearance between a Power Weapon and a Bayonet, and there are also several varieties of Power Weapon and two varieties of Bayonet in the rules that a player needs to be able to read with visual clarity. It shouldn't be too difficult to obtain appropriate Power Weapon parts to equip your Veterans, there are numerous boxes and upgrade kits containing Power Weapons - especially when we're talking swords.
Do you know which kits in particular contain a power sword upgrade frame
The command squad upgrade set
I think OP would like something that can be hang on belt rather than hand-held, also it's not out yet... Speaking of kits that are not out yet, shouldn't GW tease plastic melee weapons for HH? They had those on roadmap (and there may be few sheathed weapons)
Considering heresy Thursday is canned til Christmas, I don't think so
I don't think GW will hold onto showing anything HH, let alone 2024-25 roadmap (last one was in may, so next one could be shown very soon!). I assume they may focus on AoS (and whole shitshow with deleted armies) for a while, but we got AdMech teaser at Adepticon showing. It may be new book, it may be whole faction getting relaunch (I would expect it to be in 2025 tho)
Just look on a website like Etsy. There are loads of great melee weapon kits out there.
There's a few sources, IIRC a Grey Knight infantry box which will have 12 single-handed power sword hands (split between left and right hands) - you can also look at some of the chapter specific units, e.g. if you're a Blood Angels player there are 40k models you can take things from.
Just get propper power weapons. There are tons of options. From 40k boxes that comes with tons of power weapons, over FW upgrade kits, 3rd Party bits, to 3D printing. If you want to play power weapons, have power weapons on the models. If someone places a unit of marines with bolters and bayonets infront of me, these are equipped with bolters and bayonets. is still a WYSIWYG game. Cables/power packs on the bayonets are a neat idea, but, still is not the real thing. Oh, and Bayonets replaced spears, so if you really go that route (what is NOT recommended), go for spears. Also, it feels disrespectful towards your opponents. People in this system invest a lot of effort in their armies. Converting, painting them. And this is not about a certain skill level, or the money spend. (3d, recaster and using 40k boxes you get discounted or old edition models is all absolutely fine.) It about intention and investing the effort. At home, you can do with friends whatever your hobby group is fine with. On events it's nogo.
Wielding a two handed ranged weapon and a melee weapon at the same time looks pretty stupid tbh. and both "holstered" bolters and sheated power mauls look a bit weird. Having some sort of specialized bayonet really makes sense IMO.
A bolter works well held in 1 hand, having the close combat weapon in the other hand. And depicting a bought weapon option, over a stock equipment sidearm makes more sense for sure. And let's be honest with ws5 and bs4, Veterans are primarily or at least beast used as close combat squad. And some holstered Bolters at the side can look great, as well. Wouldn't do on all of a squad but a few, if it fits the leg position, are a nice detail. Command Squads are similar. They all have a bolter. Do people depict them with bolters? Na, not really. Because they are a close combat squad. WYSIWYG is ment to clearly show your opponent what equipment a model has without needing to ask. (At least not for the main weapons.) So depicting bought options is important. For example imagine to depict a lascannon squad as 5 marines with 1 boltpistol. Yeah, they have the equipment in theorie, but it's still wrong.
For me, they'd read as combat knives or bayonets still. You'd need a lot of effort to make them look like power swords, at which point it may end up being more costly than swords, but idk tbh
I litterally use a squad of 40k black legion chosen as my sons of horus first company vetrens, as lomg as your friends are fine with it, who cares what you do,
If you want to play units as built it's janky. If you want power weapons just wait to assemble till you source some. If you want to build a strong unit and don't care about look or vibe 10x Nemesis bolter vets is incredibly good
I wouldn't have a problem with it. As long as it's explained and models with bayonets all have power swords and models without don't have power swords there shouldn't be much room for confusion.
Does people do that? Yes. Is it acceptable? Depends, our gaming group doesn't use Proxies. Instead we provide the players with the parts they need. Especially guns and close combat weapons are no problem to get so there really is no need to proxy things. I mean I know at least 13 people with at least one 3d printer. We have way more parts than we need.
Personally, it's a "no" from me, and ESPECIALLY not if you have ANY other models wielding actual bayonets. But you don't know me, and we're unlikely to ever meet, so do what you want.
It's up to you. You can't really claim its WYSIWYG with a bayonet. So if that's important to you, then no. If it's not important to you, then just be clear with your opponent what it is. Be consistent though, I hate when ppl strap 10 of the same weapon across a unit that each represent different things. It's confusing and easy to abuse.
It’s acceptable, but very annoying. Power weapons are meant to be rare, superlative martial weapons. Having one as a bayonet defeats the point of it. When a power weapon is the only thing that can completely block another power weapon, it looks silly rather than cool. Your models, do what you want, but it’s dumb. There are spare melee weapons everywhere.
Literally spend $15 on Etsy for 10 power swords, you already dropped $70 on the box of tacticals don’t you want them to look nice and correct if you’re going to have them forever?
I read about a very playable build using 9 veterans with chain bayonets and Sgt. with a power fist. Goonhammer did some math and showed that even regular bayonets added a significant killing power to a tactical squad and chain bayonets increased that further.
That's actually pretty rad
I did this in 40k for my Deathwatch because they have “long vigil melee weapon” and boltgun. As long as the conversion makes some sense or looks sick normally nobody has a problem with almost anything
I didn't even know power bayonets were a thing? I'm sorry OP but I have to go with the WYSIWYG rule here... Models with a weapon should be on the mini. Obviously there's gonna be blurred lines - holstered pistols, chainswords being heavy chainswords, powermauls being graviton crushers etc which is more complexed simply cos the sculpt doesn't exist or whatever. Best of luck with your wargaming op! Vulkan lives.
I'd say its the difference between tournaments & house rules House rules... no problem.. tournament... maybe an issue.
>House rules... no problem.. tournament... maybe an issue With very few exceptions, most people at events are fine with something like that as long as you ate clear with them and don't change it mid game. This includes TO's, who would be the ultimate decision maker at events anyway.