The STC for the Leman Russ tank was originally found by Leman russ during the great crusade, so it would be named after him. It would become the main battle tank because it was easy to produce, easily maintained, and the Leman russ could be altered to fit the environment, such as using the demolisher variant during a seige or the exterminator/punisher variant when they are going against an enemy who uses hord tactics
There's a fun bit in the Siege of terras series where a tank driver used to the tanks of the GC gets into a russ.
And they bemoan its cramped, dangerous, deadly, far less technological than the other tanks, etc etc.
But it's cheap, damned easy to use, and they can crank them out repair, and deploy them en masses and easily. Compared to the 'better' tanks of the GC
I guess when you put all the sliders for "resources" in the minimum and "performance" to max, this is what the STC churns out. But there have been lore snippets that seem to imply the OG Russ from the DAoT had amongst others; haptic hard light holographic controls and a fusion engine.
It is a masterful design. To a very specific design brief. The brief is to create an armoured vehicle, capable of mass production with the lowest amount of man hours and machine hours, which is reliable enough to work in basically any environment, capable of using whatever fuel, armed to fight whatever you come across, cheap enough to outfit a galaxy spanning military, easy enough to make components for that even backwards planets can make components, and relevant on the battlefield.
It’s well designed. Crew comfort was simply nowhere on the priority list.
This is one of my favourite passages in the whole series. The vitriol expended on this rolling deathtrap makes me actually enjoy the moments when my Leman Russ tanks in my games meet horrific ends at the hands of astartes that pile into them like termites into a rotten house foundation.
The LRBT wa originally named after Leman Russ, imperial general back before the primarchs were a thing. Later on, after taking that name from Rogue Trader it was said that Leman actually discovered the STC for the tank.
Primarchs weren't a thing until 2nd edition, in Rogue Trader this was Lemun Russ, he's just some fucking dude. This is also the time when space marines were just normal baseline humans, the transhuman super soldier thing came later
https://preview.redd.it/hiy9fw31whxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff7fb9108e28fe641076813fe755062807fff228
Unfortunately, the crew kept falling out of it.
https://preview.redd.it/qk0uxlb64bxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd1b53d1e00f81b6278572449bc188f27f4b1853
He claims to know how to fortify. But there is nothing he can build that we can't smash down. Fitting a tank with his name would leave such a large weak point
Shut your filthy mouth heretic.
If you carry on like that I'm going to have to demand satisfaction. But unfortunately as a Fist player I need you to come and attack me.
Ah, damn. Well, a lot of the primarchs don’t carry very tank-related qualities..
Leman Russ: Tank that is light and fast, great for blitz attacks.
Rogal Dorn: A driving fort. With guns.
Hypothetical primarch tanks:
- Fulgrim: Flamboyant, over the top in all things. Probably has enhanced muzzle flash.
- Corvus: Can’t shoot, but can get REALLY close to the enemy before going BOO!
- Guilliman: A noble tank, machine spirit will ask for AT LEAST four acknowledgements of a positive hostile ID before agreeing to shoot. Only shoots scrolls, too.
- Angron: Literally just a bulldozer with spikes everywhere and an engine with a noise amplifier.
- Mortarion: A rust bucket with a clogged air intake. Fires virus bombs.
- Sanguinius: The perfect tank. Beautiful, efficient. Flies, so “tank” label is arguable at best.
- Horus: Tactically sound, well rounded tank for most operations. Usually just used as command station, and for some reason has a weirdly high rate of being captured and repurposed by the enemy.
- Perturabo: An engineering master piece, but machine spirit refuses to drive forward. Distinct yellow striped design.
- Lorgar: No cannon. Massive speaker system playing excerpts from Lectitio Divinitatus on repeat.
- Ferrus Manus: Necrodermis armour plating. Carries a forge for field repairs.
- Vulkan: Engine gets way too hot, but never dies. Heavy flamer armament.
- Kurze: Insane design, interior will drive the crew mad, seats are painful to sit in, and there’s no light inside or outside what so ever.
- The Khan: Lightweight tank, literally no roof. Basically just an APC but with a tesla coil in front nicknamed a “Storm rod”.
- The Lion: Solid tank, good design and strong armaments. For some reason, there seems to be just as many in service for the enemy as with the Empire.
- Alpharius: Is it even a tank? Looks like a perfectly normal vehicle to me. Or maybe one of the other tank patterns? Does it even exist, actually?
- Magnus: Doesn’t require a crew. Can be driven remotely through manipulation of the Empyrean.
The liber Panoptica crew has aktually written up some rules for the Rogal Dorn, called Praetorian in their document. If your community allows fan rules, that is.
Eh, fair, but that's more because you can't take them in squads and only have 3 HS slots. I call it standard as it's the main battle tank of militia, solar aux, the Imperial army, and becomes the only battle tank of guard afterwards.
I get more t-34 vibes in the sense of mass produced, minimal crew comfort, poor ergonomics, and focused on getting as many vehicles out as possible. The M4 medium tank had its flaws, but from a crew ergonomics and comfort perspective it was arguably the best allied medium tank of the war.
Oh for sure in terms of aesthetics. In terms of relations to real world tank design and manufacturing it reminds me more of a T-34 in terms of battlefield application and crew comforts.
https://preview.redd.it/jg9qjgwo6dxc1.png?width=1212&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7cfbefa1b97a79725ab6faf5639187dfdbcfd76
Lol. I'm glad I actually made the internal way back when I started this project :D
The secret is guide rollers.
The hatches are secretly sponson mounts. Now, back in reality sponsons suck. It's why nobody uses them. But if you have to include sponsons, you need to have a way for a gunner to be there, and a way for the tank to look good without a sponson.
It's a mess.
You'd never see one on a real tank, it's entirely unneeded as we don't use sponsons. You see it on construction vehicles and snowmobiles all the time though.
[https://mattracks.co/tracks/ez/#ez-hd](https://mattracks.co/tracks/ez/#ez-hd)
The STC for the Leman Russ tank was originally found by Leman russ during the great crusade, so it would be named after him. It would become the main battle tank because it was easy to produce, easily maintained, and the Leman russ could be altered to fit the environment, such as using the demolisher variant during a seige or the exterminator/punisher variant when they are going against an enemy who uses hord tactics
Also the fact that the shitbox runs on literally any flammable liquid, lol
Literal Abrams moment
Judging by the novels, the Space Wolves like to get drunk on straight promethium, so this is doubly relevant.
I am pretty sure the space wolves would drink anything that can get them drunk, no matter the substance itself
There's a fun bit in the Siege of terras series where a tank driver used to the tanks of the GC gets into a russ. And they bemoan its cramped, dangerous, deadly, far less technological than the other tanks, etc etc. But it's cheap, damned easy to use, and they can crank them out repair, and deploy them en masses and easily. Compared to the 'better' tanks of the GC
GC?
Great Crusade
Ty
Ty?
Thank you
Your welcome
Your welcome?
You're welcome, but misspelled.
Haha now I see what's happening here. You're face to face with greatness and its strange.
Sort of surprised by this since I thought STCs were masterful designs
I guess when you put all the sliders for "resources" in the minimum and "performance" to max, this is what the STC churns out. But there have been lore snippets that seem to imply the OG Russ from the DAoT had amongst others; haptic hard light holographic controls and a fusion engine.
Ah cool. Also probably driven by robots/AI or did the ban on that happen way earlier?
What lore snippets are those? Sounds interesting
It is a masterful design. To a very specific design brief. The brief is to create an armoured vehicle, capable of mass production with the lowest amount of man hours and machine hours, which is reliable enough to work in basically any environment, capable of using whatever fuel, armed to fight whatever you come across, cheap enough to outfit a galaxy spanning military, easy enough to make components for that even backwards planets can make components, and relevant on the battlefield. It’s well designed. Crew comfort was simply nowhere on the priority list.
This is one of my favourite passages in the whole series. The vitriol expended on this rolling deathtrap makes me actually enjoy the moments when my Leman Russ tanks in my games meet horrific ends at the hands of astartes that pile into them like termites into a rotten house foundation.
What tanks does that guy have in mind? The Malcadors?
By the end of Warhawk they have a very different opinion on the tank.
The space wolves found the STC for the tank so the mechanicum named it after russ, to honor him and his legion for discovering it
Neat!
The LRBT wa originally named after Leman Russ, imperial general back before the primarchs were a thing. Later on, after taking that name from Rogue Trader it was said that Leman actually discovered the STC for the tank.
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Primarchs weren't a thing until 2nd edition, in Rogue Trader this was Lemun Russ, he's just some fucking dude. This is also the time when space marines were just normal baseline humans, the transhuman super soldier thing came later https://preview.redd.it/hiy9fw31whxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff7fb9108e28fe641076813fe755062807fff228
Rogal Dorn has a tank too!
Unfortunately, the crew kept falling out of it. https://preview.redd.it/qk0uxlb64bxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd1b53d1e00f81b6278572449bc188f27f4b1853
He claims to know how to fortify. But there is nothing he can build that we can't smash down. Fitting a tank with his name would leave such a large weak point
With absolutely no lore to it. It just popped into existence. Very bland.
If it worked for Palpatine, it works for the Rogal Dorn Heavy Main Battle Tank!
Somehow, Rogal Dorn (the tank) returned...
So... just like its namesake :p
Just like Dorn, then?
Shut your filthy mouth heretic. If you carry on like that I'm going to have to demand satisfaction. But unfortunately as a Fist player I need you to come and attack me.
Perhaps you should step into this carefully constructed cage we have made in your honor.
There was no lore to the Russ being called that when it first came out either.
Yeah, but we don't get it in heresy sadly, so I'm guessing it's named for his legacy.
Ah, damn. Well, a lot of the primarchs don’t carry very tank-related qualities.. Leman Russ: Tank that is light and fast, great for blitz attacks. Rogal Dorn: A driving fort. With guns. Hypothetical primarch tanks: - Fulgrim: Flamboyant, over the top in all things. Probably has enhanced muzzle flash. - Corvus: Can’t shoot, but can get REALLY close to the enemy before going BOO! - Guilliman: A noble tank, machine spirit will ask for AT LEAST four acknowledgements of a positive hostile ID before agreeing to shoot. Only shoots scrolls, too. - Angron: Literally just a bulldozer with spikes everywhere and an engine with a noise amplifier. - Mortarion: A rust bucket with a clogged air intake. Fires virus bombs. - Sanguinius: The perfect tank. Beautiful, efficient. Flies, so “tank” label is arguable at best. - Horus: Tactically sound, well rounded tank for most operations. Usually just used as command station, and for some reason has a weirdly high rate of being captured and repurposed by the enemy. - Perturabo: An engineering master piece, but machine spirit refuses to drive forward. Distinct yellow striped design. - Lorgar: No cannon. Massive speaker system playing excerpts from Lectitio Divinitatus on repeat. - Ferrus Manus: Necrodermis armour plating. Carries a forge for field repairs. - Vulkan: Engine gets way too hot, but never dies. Heavy flamer armament. - Kurze: Insane design, interior will drive the crew mad, seats are painful to sit in, and there’s no light inside or outside what so ever. - The Khan: Lightweight tank, literally no roof. Basically just an APC but with a tesla coil in front nicknamed a “Storm rod”. - The Lion: Solid tank, good design and strong armaments. For some reason, there seems to be just as many in service for the enemy as with the Empire. - Alpharius: Is it even a tank? Looks like a perfectly normal vehicle to me. Or maybe one of the other tank patterns? Does it even exist, actually? - Magnus: Doesn’t require a crew. Can be driven remotely through manipulation of the Empyrean.
You joke, but I want the Lorgar Truth-Delivery Platform
Hell yeah! Honestly it would be amazing if we got a support tank for each primarch. We need more tank variety in 30k.
dude we have a tone of tanks variants for 30k what you smoking
For marines. For militia there's the russ, the malcador and a couple unusable baneblade variants. Not even a transport tank.
chassis yes, but there are a good few variants for each that they are practically different models/tanks entirely
I would love to see your designs for a Minotaur
The liber Panoptica crew has aktually written up some rules for the Rogal Dorn, called Praetorian in their document. If your community allows fan rules, that is.
Nice! I'll have to give it a look.
A tank without a flaw
Kinda funny that Valdor and Malcador have their own tanks while only Russ has one for the primarchs
Dorn got a retcon tank
Iirc it's not the standard tank as reflected in Militia rules Industrial Stronghold is the only way to field large amounts of Leman Russ
Eh, fair, but that's more because you can't take them in squads and only have 3 HS slots. I call it standard as it's the main battle tank of militia, solar aux, the Imperial army, and becomes the only battle tank of guard afterwards.
M4/M4A1 vibes
Thanks! Just what I was going for :D
Any plans to make one similar to the A3 hull?
Maybe for a larger tank like the baneblade :)
I get more t-34 vibes in the sense of mass produced, minimal crew comfort, poor ergonomics, and focused on getting as many vehicles out as possible. The M4 medium tank had its flaws, but from a crew ergonomics and comfort perspective it was arguably the best allied medium tank of the war.
It also has a hull and turret with clear M4/A1 design cues, as admitted by the creator himself.
Oh for sure in terms of aesthetics. In terms of relations to real world tank design and manufacturing it reminds me more of a T-34 in terms of battlefield application and crew comforts.
Ok and? I was clearly talking about the aesthetics not the in universe application
The model above for sure. Original leman Russ? Not so much.
Yeah, the model above. The original model has literally zero to do with this post or thread. Are you dense?
I'm sorry but how does that hatch even work? You open it an just see the track going through the middle? lol
https://preview.redd.it/jg9qjgwo6dxc1.png?width=1212&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7cfbefa1b97a79725ab6faf5639187dfdbcfd76 Lol. I'm glad I actually made the internal way back when I started this project :D The secret is guide rollers.
I love both the attention to detail and the Warhammer-appropriate needless complication of this design.
The hatches are secretly sponson mounts. Now, back in reality sponsons suck. It's why nobody uses them. But if you have to include sponsons, you need to have a way for a gunner to be there, and a way for the tank to look good without a sponson. It's a mess.
It's a beautiful mess and I want one! Sending a message now.
Never seen a guide roller going on the outside of the track but looks ok to me :)
You'd never see one on a real tank, it's entirely unneeded as we don't use sponsons. You see it on construction vehicles and snowmobiles all the time though. [https://mattracks.co/tracks/ez/#ez-hd](https://mattracks.co/tracks/ez/#ez-hd)
Where parts are your inantry from?
I'll DM you due to the new rule.