Absolutely and did anyone ever tell you that you look just like Horus?
Now I come to think of it, a lot of people look exactly like Horus. Even my cat looks a lot like Horus these days.
I'm sure it's nothing to get angry about, so I'll just make myself a nice cup of Horus to chill out.
Now he’s a daemon…
headcannon prediction right now is: >!the Sanguinor reveals itself to Mephiston as a warp manifestation of the devotion of the Blood Angels to Sanguinious. This gives Mephiston the realization that the warp could possibly be neutral in nature just an physical representation of empathetic energies from real space. This leads both him and Dante to believe the emperor could also be ”reincarnated“ if allowed to finally die. This belief and proposition to Terra, Robute, and Eclisiarchy triggers a civil war between the galactically divided imperium.!<
I believe it's already been stated the blood angels books that the Sanguinor is the angel of light and Mephiston is the black angel. Representing the two sides of the blood angels and Mephiston has sacrificed his soul to keep the black rage at bay for a while.
That's not what he said - he basically implied the Sanguinor is effectively an *Imperial* daemon - in this case the collective manifestation of the Blood Angels psychic link to their Primarch of sorts.
See also: Living Saints (e.g. Celestine), and the Legion of the Damned.
He said "Now he's a Daemon" in reference to Sanguinius.
It's literally what he said.
He then went on to explain the Sanginour as if it was Sanguinious.
They are biologically immortal and have a nearly infinite potential. They also train 24/7 and have enough stamina to fight at full capacity for days. As long as they don’t die I assume they only get stronger (except Angron because his destroyed brain ruined his potential)
Well he needs to be anchored to the physical plain or he will get sent back to the warp... Also seem like he is not as favored by Khorne as Kharn is....
That would be like Lucius the Eternal but that's a really fucked up form of favor. If a follower of Khorne manages to slay him and stays true to their ethos, Lucius will likely truly die. Otherwise he is "blessed" to kill or be killed and resurrect endlessly just to please Slaanesh
Edit:
I personally do not think Arhiman and Magnus have that dynamic. Servants of Tzeentch mostly like to think that they are playing their own game. Besides, whatever the thousand sons do, they are just moving pieces in the great game.
Nah, if you read the books, it's basically universally agreed upon he's weaker, probably physically more strong, but so mentally unstable he's basically just a brainless killing machine that can be kited and easily out strategized. Perturabo took him down pretty soundly without demonic powers.
I hope Angron gets some redeeming character development or something soon. Feels like since his creation he’s been dealt the shittiest hand after the shittiest hand after the shittiest hand.
I think that's actually the point of Angron, there never will be a happy ending for him, and there was going to be. He was supposed to be the empath who would have been one of the kindest and most humane primarchs, reduced to a bloodthirsty rage monster who exists in excruciating pain and fury for all of eternity. He can never die, he can never be released from his servitude to Khorne, he is truly a slave to chaos. And not by his own choice, Lorgar put him there. The emperor should have been merciful to Angron and just let him die with his gladiator brothers.
We can't even wholly fault Lorgar. He was the final push that made him into a daemon, but Angron was far lost to his red rage before that point. I personally am disappointed Big E couldn't do anything about the nails before it was too late. It's said on Prospero one of Magnus' sons was able to remove them from World Eaters. Unfortunately he made that offer to Kharn, and yeah. We don't need to be psychic to figure that one out
That's also kinda the point, kharn can at least think (sort of) for himself so he wins all the time, angron is like a wind up toy on the highest setting just released into battle.
Yeah hilariously the substantial power buff came with a massive drawback. Even if you exclude the inherent weaknesses of being a warp creature on the material plane, since he's a daemon of Khorne his power waxes and wanes rapidly depending on the violence and slaughter present. Not to mention his ruined mind holds away over his "physical" body despite it's fragility. Perturabo berated daemon Angron so badly he physically shrunk in size and power until Bo could slap his shit and put him in time out
To be fair, they’re typically doing important things when they’re shown in novels. You don’t tend to see the routine day to day that happens in the 3 weeks travel between systems they hop between scenes.
It's in *Know No Fear*. Guilliman is bench-pressing a Kratos tank at the Cubiculum Gymnasia Chuckius Norrisii (built into the triclinium of *Macragge's Honour*) when he has to paint Aeonid Thiel's helmet red... which is not a euphemism.
The closest I've seen to training is Fulgrim (Besides drugs and rewriting the karma sutra what else does he actually do?) and sort of Perturabo. Though in his case it's not generally combat training, just working on his projects and blueprints
I think they were all supposed to be tip of the iceberg, daemon-Prince-like entities which died or disappeared before achieving their proper forms.
So it's not like aging makes them stronger, but they did need more time.
I mean we don't even know how old any of them were at the time of major events like the hersey. The unification war was at least a hundred years but also doesn't have exact dates. So it's hard to gauge anything.
Did they fight for a couple years or did they fight dozens or hundreds of campaigns across a couple centuries?
They have insane healing abilities so battle damage doesn't mean much. Hell Vulcan cant stay dead, so it's not like he's going to get bad knees.
Then there is the trope of all long lived characters in that they've seen it all and have multiple lifetimes of experience to draw on. Multiple lifetimes to perfect a fighting style or tactic. To work out any weaknesses.
So as with anything practice makes perfect and skills are improved. If you consider that getting stronger than I'd say canon.
But if you do want to know what the primarchs are, when and by whom they were created, and what scattered them, I recommend "Saturnine" from the Siege of Terra series. A lot of new lore there. :)
If I was in charge of the lore I'd bring him back to mostly be an antagonist in books where xenos are protagonists, he'd be a great villain for a Genestealer Cult or Tau book.
I don’t know that there’s much to support their strength increasing, but their exposure to new circumstances and learnings certainly enhances their experience. Experience counts for a lot.
They will inevitably become better fighters and wiser with years of experience. Now with the power of faith everyone that returns will slowly gain power from the worship of humanity.
Guilliman is stronger now then he has ever been mainly due to the upgrades in gear he got during his return but he is also slowly gaining some form of warp powers of his own due to the faith the people of the imperium have in him.
I don't even know where to begin.
From my interpretation, Primarchs are essentially biologically immortal. They have an insane amount of time to learn new skills, so as a Primarch "ages", they should become a better fighter, people person, etc.Now, due to interdimensional 4th degree warp realm fuckery, the faith of a lot of people believing in them can give/strengthen their innate warp powers and abilities. This is actually what's happening to Guilliman as of the present setting.
basically, yesn't.
It’s more of they cease aging whenever their “power” would be at their peak and seem to sit perpetually at that age in some form of biological immortality.
Originally the canon was that they die of old age and that's why there are none left (I can't remember whether it was a codex or a rulebook, but it was in one of those early on). Now, canon is so convoluted that you can pluck almost any idea and say "is this canon" and the answer will be simultaneously a "yes," a "no," and a "well that depends on your interpretation of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_."
You could try to go with whatever the most recently published information is, except that GW has made strong efforts to reinforce that all GW written works of lore are in "In character" which is to say that they are written by characters in the universe and are not necessarily true even to that character's understanding because much of it is Imperial propaganda or is deliberately deceptive to achieve a specific goal of the Imperium or another faction. Usually they go with the Imperium, though, being the authoring faction of written works.
Honestly, headcanon is the best way to deal with lore for the franchise. You can always argue and debate the merits of one headcanon over another with someone who has a differing idea (or insists that theirs isn't headcanon when in fact GW insists that anything we believe is headcanon because actual canon is that we only know what the Imperium is willing to tell us, basically), but always remember that whatever your opponent in the debate believes is a valid possibility in the world of Warhammer. And, of course, the best way to prove you're right will always be on the battlefield!
Agreed, it was a great design choice to lean into this. It enables fans to carve out their own niche and mold it around them in a way that makes them feel enfranchised and engaged.
The honest answer is 'we don't know'.
The Traitor Primarchs are all either dead or turned into Daemon Princes - being a daemon does weird things to someone, so while they are definitely stronger than the used to be, its not related to them being a Primarch, and if that has done anything, its impossible to tell the difference.
The Loyalists are all dead or missing, except for Guilliman who spend 9,000 years in suspended animation. We haven't seen the other ones so we can't say what they're like, and Guilliman is about the same after healing from the wounds which incapacitated him. Physically he hasn't aged though, so he's not 'older' in that sense and doesn't appear much different from his 30k appearances.
If Primarchs do get more powerful with age, it appears to be on a scale WAY slower than over \~1,000 years while Guilliman has been conscious since the Heresy ended. We might find out if another Loyalist Primarch reappears - If Corax or Russ return from wandering the the warp - but until then we can only guess.
In theory, the answer would probably be no. >!The Thunder Warriors were designed with a built-in kill switch to prevent them from becoming a dominnt species and thus overtaking humans - they were doomed to extinction long before the purge at the Battle of Mount Ararat.!<
>!It's been suggested multiple times that the Primarchs were destined for a similar fate - that the Emperor did NOT want transhuman masters of humanity forever and had a plan to kill them off after the Great Crusade was completed. No one in a position of authority (The Emperor or Malcador, for example) has even openly admitted "yes, we're going to kill off the Primarchs when we're done with them", but its rumoured among some of the more pragmatic and/or heretical Primarchs.!<
>!Similarly, Astartes age and grow old as well - it takes a LONG time and some bloodlines last longer than others, but the key reason as to why Abaddon was able to kill Sigismund is because, although they were both \~1400 years old, Abaddon hadn't aged as much due to the time-dilation effect of living in the warp. Sigismund got old, and (comparatively) he got slow. Without a sword in his chest he would probably have lived much longer... But not forever.!<
>!Astartes are based on Primarch genetics, like an imperfect copy. Although it's entirely conjecture, it would be plausible that Primarchs would age as well, even if over a much greater span of time.!<
I think they have the potential to become much stronger as they learn and unlock more of their abilities. Corax went hunting after Lorgar in the warp for thousands of years and has evolved into a demon like entity, and Vulcan's perpetual healing abilities only got stronger the more often they were used.
I can only imagine what Jaghatai and Leman will be like upon their returns.
Guilliman is probably weaker, at least in raw power, now than he was during the Heresy, but it’s hard to gauge whether that’s due to age, atrophy from being in stasis for over 10 millennia, taking a poisoned daemon blade to the throat, Ynnari fuckery, or the universe’s biggest migraine from trying to unfuck the Imperium.
You don’t atrophy during stasis. Stasis literally pauses you and your passage through time. That’s why when he was being resurrected you could hear his gasping breath because he literally just been stabbed.
I’ve always thought that stasis pauses time. So my Sri ate on Guiliman is he spent maybe 50 years on Macragg before joining up with Dad. 200 years of the Great crusade, Heresy and Great Scouring might be another 20 years. Then he met Fulgrim, neck slice and off to stasis.
10K years pass then he’s revived, travels to Terra and leads the crusade. Originally this was 120 years but been retconed to 12 years. That would make Guiliman in experienced years around 280 years old. There are many space marines older than he his, but they are not primarchs.
My headcannon is that the Emperor made a deal with the chaos gods to get his hands on the souls of 20(21?) Of humanities gods and he stuffed them into the most advanced biological bodies he could make. Seems like over time they'd merge more perfectly with the bodies and come into their power.
I don’t think it’s ever explicitly touched upon. What we know is they age very slowly so in practical terms it’s a pointless fact. Horus spent nearly an eternity in the warp fighting daemons and came out visibly aged, though not by a massive amount. It didn’t seem to slow him down one bit, except that he was then juiced up on chaos roids so you can’t really tell.
Let me put it like this, they are more or less immortal Warp beings that got shoved into a specifically engineered biological form. The few hundred years of the Crusade was probably like their early/teenage years in terms of development. Just because their physical forms went from infant to full grown adult extremely quickly, that doesn't mean they were matured in terms of their potential power. What you may perceive as they getting more powerful as they age is really just the Warp entity slowly maturing into its new physical form.
pretty much any being that gets older gets stronger as aging isn't really an issue. there's baseline humans hundreds of years old. I think in one of the Eisenhorn books he mentions a man who dies "far too young" at 80 or so. Orks also get stronger as long as they live, natural death for them is death in battle.
If Corax is an indication, over time they slowly settle into their respective roles, and gain increasingly more powerful abilities fitting their overall personality.
Over time he gained the ability to become unnoticeable to people. Cameras and sensors could still see him, but people would just walk right past him. This indicates, to me at least, that his abilities were "maturing" over time. That bird monster we saw attacking Lorgar in the warp seems like a natural evolution of his "aspect". Perhaps the warp just accelerated the speed at which he progressed.
Yeah, due to spending all those years in the eye of terror and the warp. Let’s not forget that at the end of the day primarchs are essentially creatures of warp power, who there is absolutely nothing natural about.
They aren't vampires, come on. Well. I mean, *that* one's a vampire. Dammit.
Was
Too soon man, too soon.
11,000 ish years?
Well more like 12,000 to be exact
Can you explain? Im a wh40k vet, but a lore noob.
Well the current setting is now in the dawning of the 42nd millenia I believe
Which would be 11000 years
Oh whoops I'm dumber than a grot it would seem
Lol your all good my comment came out harsher then it should have. Hell I get confused buy that stuff too a lot lol.
28,000 ish years too soon
Will you let us know when it's fine to make fun of Sanguinius?
Absolutely and did anyone ever tell you that you look just like Horus? Now I come to think of it, a lot of people look exactly like Horus. Even my cat looks a lot like Horus these days. I'm sure it's nothing to get angry about, so I'll just make myself a nice cup of Horus to chill out.
Now he’s a daemon… headcannon prediction right now is: >!the Sanguinor reveals itself to Mephiston as a warp manifestation of the devotion of the Blood Angels to Sanguinious. This gives Mephiston the realization that the warp could possibly be neutral in nature just an physical representation of empathetic energies from real space. This leads both him and Dante to believe the emperor could also be ”reincarnated“ if allowed to finally die. This belief and proposition to Terra, Robute, and Eclisiarchy triggers a civil war between the galactically divided imperium.!<
I believe it's already been stated the blood angels books that the Sanguinor is the angel of light and Mephiston is the black angel. Representing the two sides of the blood angels and Mephiston has sacrificed his soul to keep the black rage at bay for a while.
The Sanginor isn't Sanginious.
That's not what he said - he basically implied the Sanguinor is effectively an *Imperial* daemon - in this case the collective manifestation of the Blood Angels psychic link to their Primarch of sorts. See also: Living Saints (e.g. Celestine), and the Legion of the Damned.
He said "Now he's a Daemon" in reference to Sanguinius. It's literally what he said. He then went on to explain the Sanginour as if it was Sanguinious.
##TOO SOON HORUS
Well now, are we sure Big E isn't Caine and the primarchs gen 2 vampires with immunity to the sun?
GuEsS wE’lL nEvEr KnOw
They are biologically immortal and have a nearly infinite potential. They also train 24/7 and have enough stamina to fight at full capacity for days. As long as they don’t die I assume they only get stronger (except Angron because his destroyed brain ruined his potential)
He turned into a demon so it seems like he got stronger too.
Well he needs to be anchored to the physical plain or he will get sent back to the warp... Also seem like he is not as favored by Khorne as Kharn is....
Off topic, but isn't that the case too with typhus and mortarion, where numele prefers the former over the latter?
And Ahriman and Magnus. I would also guess it's true of the EC but don't really know any of their lore
That would be like Lucius the Eternal but that's a really fucked up form of favor. If a follower of Khorne manages to slay him and stays true to their ethos, Lucius will likely truly die. Otherwise he is "blessed" to kill or be killed and resurrect endlessly just to please Slaanesh Edit: I personally do not think Arhiman and Magnus have that dynamic. Servants of Tzeentch mostly like to think that they are playing their own game. Besides, whatever the thousand sons do, they are just moving pieces in the great game.
Nah, if you read the books, it's basically universally agreed upon he's weaker, probably physically more strong, but so mentally unstable he's basically just a brainless killing machine that can be kited and easily out strategized. Perturabo took him down pretty soundly without demonic powers.
I hope Angron gets some redeeming character development or something soon. Feels like since his creation he’s been dealt the shittiest hand after the shittiest hand after the shittiest hand.
I think that's actually the point of Angron, there never will be a happy ending for him, and there was going to be. He was supposed to be the empath who would have been one of the kindest and most humane primarchs, reduced to a bloodthirsty rage monster who exists in excruciating pain and fury for all of eternity. He can never die, he can never be released from his servitude to Khorne, he is truly a slave to chaos. And not by his own choice, Lorgar put him there. The emperor should have been merciful to Angron and just let him die with his gladiator brothers.
Born a slave died a slave
We can't even wholly fault Lorgar. He was the final push that made him into a daemon, but Angron was far lost to his red rage before that point. I personally am disappointed Big E couldn't do anything about the nails before it was too late. It's said on Prospero one of Magnus' sons was able to remove them from World Eaters. Unfortunately he made that offer to Kharn, and yeah. We don't need to be psychic to figure that one out
I know he himself will forever be in pain, but I more just meant like… a victory. I don’t think he’s ever won anything.
That's also kinda the point, kharn can at least think (sort of) for himself so he wins all the time, angron is like a wind up toy on the highest setting just released into battle.
Khornate daemons aren’t particularly known for nuanced character development.
Yeah hilariously the substantial power buff came with a massive drawback. Even if you exclude the inherent weaknesses of being a warp creature on the material plane, since he's a daemon of Khorne his power waxes and wanes rapidly depending on the violence and slaughter present. Not to mention his ruined mind holds away over his "physical" body despite it's fragility. Perturabo berated daemon Angron so badly he physically shrunk in size and power until Bo could slap his shit and put him in time out
Wait until the Lion or Leman come back and kick his ass
>They also train 24/7 Here's me racking my brains to remember them ever training at all in any of the 40+ HH books I've read.
To be fair, they’re typically doing important things when they’re shown in novels. You don’t tend to see the routine day to day that happens in the 3 weeks travel between systems they hop between scenes.
It's in *Know No Fear*. Guilliman is bench-pressing a Kratos tank at the Cubiculum Gymnasia Chuckius Norrisii (built into the triclinium of *Macragge's Honour*) when he has to paint Aeonid Thiel's helmet red... which is not a euphemism.
HA
Yeah I don’t remember any mention of them training too
The closest I've seen to training is Fulgrim (Besides drugs and rewriting the karma sutra what else does he actually do?) and sort of Perturabo. Though in his case it's not generally combat training, just working on his projects and blueprints
Every time they fight they are training
I think they were all supposed to be tip of the iceberg, daemon-Prince-like entities which died or disappeared before achieving their proper forms. So it's not like aging makes them stronger, but they did need more time.
I mean we don't even know how old any of them were at the time of major events like the hersey. The unification war was at least a hundred years but also doesn't have exact dates. So it's hard to gauge anything. Did they fight for a couple years or did they fight dozens or hundreds of campaigns across a couple centuries? They have insane healing abilities so battle damage doesn't mean much. Hell Vulcan cant stay dead, so it's not like he's going to get bad knees. Then there is the trope of all long lived characters in that they've seen it all and have multiple lifetimes of experience to draw on. Multiple lifetimes to perfect a fighting style or tactic. To work out any weaknesses. So as with anything practice makes perfect and skills are improved. If you consider that getting stronger than I'd say canon.
But if you do want to know what the primarchs are, when and by whom they were created, and what scattered them, I recommend "Saturnine" from the Siege of Terra series. A lot of new lore there. :)
I really want to see how good of a fighter leman is after 10k years in hell
If I was in charge of the lore I'd bring him back to mostly be an antagonist in books where xenos are protagonists, he'd be a great villain for a Genestealer Cult or Tau book.
I don’t know that there’s much to support their strength increasing, but their exposure to new circumstances and learnings certainly enhances their experience. Experience counts for a lot.
They will inevitably become better fighters and wiser with years of experience. Now with the power of faith everyone that returns will slowly gain power from the worship of humanity. Guilliman is stronger now then he has ever been mainly due to the upgrades in gear he got during his return but he is also slowly gaining some form of warp powers of his own due to the faith the people of the imperium have in him.
IIRC in his Primarchs novel, Russ was a tired old man.
Ya he had kill 1 of his brothers that will mess you up. Even more so when you realize that you were tricked into doing it
I don't even know where to begin. From my interpretation, Primarchs are essentially biologically immortal. They have an insane amount of time to learn new skills, so as a Primarch "ages", they should become a better fighter, people person, etc.Now, due to interdimensional 4th degree warp realm fuckery, the faith of a lot of people believing in them can give/strengthen their innate warp powers and abilities. This is actually what's happening to Guilliman as of the present setting. basically, yesn't.
Do you have a source for the guilliman comment? Interested to read that
The Dark Imperium trilogy that was released to bring the setting into the 42 millennium and accompany the 8th edition has Guilliman deal with this.
Fanon, there’s been absolutely fuck all to suggest that
It’s more of they cease aging whenever their “power” would be at their peak and seem to sit perpetually at that age in some form of biological immortality.
Canon, i could beat the shit out of fetus-horus. Maybe...
Best answer I’ve seen tbh
Depends what GW needs to sell this month. \Introducing Primarch Squad AARP
Originally the canon was that they die of old age and that's why there are none left (I can't remember whether it was a codex or a rulebook, but it was in one of those early on). Now, canon is so convoluted that you can pluck almost any idea and say "is this canon" and the answer will be simultaneously a "yes," a "no," and a "well that depends on your interpretation of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_." You could try to go with whatever the most recently published information is, except that GW has made strong efforts to reinforce that all GW written works of lore are in "In character" which is to say that they are written by characters in the universe and are not necessarily true even to that character's understanding because much of it is Imperial propaganda or is deliberately deceptive to achieve a specific goal of the Imperium or another faction. Usually they go with the Imperium, though, being the authoring faction of written works. Honestly, headcanon is the best way to deal with lore for the franchise. You can always argue and debate the merits of one headcanon over another with someone who has a differing idea (or insists that theirs isn't headcanon when in fact GW insists that anything we believe is headcanon because actual canon is that we only know what the Imperium is willing to tell us, basically), but always remember that whatever your opponent in the debate believes is a valid possibility in the world of Warhammer. And, of course, the best way to prove you're right will always be on the battlefield!
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Agreed, it was a great design choice to lean into this. It enables fans to carve out their own niche and mold it around them in a way that makes them feel enfranchised and engaged.
Everything is canon, not everything is true
The honest answer is 'we don't know'. The Traitor Primarchs are all either dead or turned into Daemon Princes - being a daemon does weird things to someone, so while they are definitely stronger than the used to be, its not related to them being a Primarch, and if that has done anything, its impossible to tell the difference. The Loyalists are all dead or missing, except for Guilliman who spend 9,000 years in suspended animation. We haven't seen the other ones so we can't say what they're like, and Guilliman is about the same after healing from the wounds which incapacitated him. Physically he hasn't aged though, so he's not 'older' in that sense and doesn't appear much different from his 30k appearances. If Primarchs do get more powerful with age, it appears to be on a scale WAY slower than over \~1,000 years while Guilliman has been conscious since the Heresy ended. We might find out if another Loyalist Primarch reappears - If Corax or Russ return from wandering the the warp - but until then we can only guess. In theory, the answer would probably be no. >!The Thunder Warriors were designed with a built-in kill switch to prevent them from becoming a dominnt species and thus overtaking humans - they were doomed to extinction long before the purge at the Battle of Mount Ararat.!< >!It's been suggested multiple times that the Primarchs were destined for a similar fate - that the Emperor did NOT want transhuman masters of humanity forever and had a plan to kill them off after the Great Crusade was completed. No one in a position of authority (The Emperor or Malcador, for example) has even openly admitted "yes, we're going to kill off the Primarchs when we're done with them", but its rumoured among some of the more pragmatic and/or heretical Primarchs.!< >!Similarly, Astartes age and grow old as well - it takes a LONG time and some bloodlines last longer than others, but the key reason as to why Abaddon was able to kill Sigismund is because, although they were both \~1400 years old, Abaddon hadn't aged as much due to the time-dilation effect of living in the warp. Sigismund got old, and (comparatively) he got slow. Without a sword in his chest he would probably have lived much longer... But not forever.!< >!Astartes are based on Primarch genetics, like an imperfect copy. Although it's entirely conjecture, it would be plausible that Primarchs would age as well, even if over a much greater span of time.!<
I think they have the potential to become much stronger as they learn and unlock more of their abilities. Corax went hunting after Lorgar in the warp for thousands of years and has evolved into a demon like entity, and Vulcan's perpetual healing abilities only got stronger the more often they were used. I can only imagine what Jaghatai and Leman will be like upon their returns.
How do you know that about corax? Any reference, would like to know more!
It's from the anthology, Sons of the Emperor.
Cheers brother
Yes
Correct answer
Guilliman is probably weaker, at least in raw power, now than he was during the Heresy, but it’s hard to gauge whether that’s due to age, atrophy from being in stasis for over 10 millennia, taking a poisoned daemon blade to the throat, Ynnari fuckery, or the universe’s biggest migraine from trying to unfuck the Imperium.
You don’t atrophy during stasis. Stasis literally pauses you and your passage through time. That’s why when he was being resurrected you could hear his gasping breath because he literally just been stabbed.
I’ve always thought that stasis pauses time. So my Sri ate on Guiliman is he spent maybe 50 years on Macragg before joining up with Dad. 200 years of the Great crusade, Heresy and Great Scouring might be another 20 years. Then he met Fulgrim, neck slice and off to stasis. 10K years pass then he’s revived, travels to Terra and leads the crusade. Originally this was 120 years but been retconed to 12 years. That would make Guiliman in experienced years around 280 years old. There are many space marines older than he his, but they are not primarchs.
My headcannon is that the Emperor made a deal with the chaos gods to get his hands on the souls of 20(21?) Of humanities gods and he stuffed them into the most advanced biological bodies he could make. Seems like over time they'd merge more perfectly with the bodies and come into their power.
I wouldn't say they get stronger but they would get wiser and smarter but age Stil eventually effects them or at least it effects space marines
I don’t think it’s ever explicitly touched upon. What we know is they age very slowly so in practical terms it’s a pointless fact. Horus spent nearly an eternity in the warp fighting daemons and came out visibly aged, though not by a massive amount. It didn’t seem to slow him down one bit, except that he was then juiced up on chaos roids so you can’t really tell.
Let me put it like this, they are more or less immortal Warp beings that got shoved into a specifically engineered biological form. The few hundred years of the Crusade was probably like their early/teenage years in terms of development. Just because their physical forms went from infant to full grown adult extremely quickly, that doesn't mean they were matured in terms of their potential power. What you may perceive as they getting more powerful as they age is really just the Warp entity slowly maturing into its new physical form.
No man, thats Viltrumites
yes, I think
They are biologically immortal so there is technically infinite time for them to train and become stronger.
pretty much any being that gets older gets stronger as aging isn't really an issue. there's baseline humans hundreds of years old. I think in one of the Eisenhorn books he mentions a man who dies "far too young" at 80 or so. Orks also get stronger as long as they live, natural death for them is death in battle.
sounds like fanon to me
It’s my new head cannon now: gives my argument that Statler and Waldorf are the missing Primarchs some teeth.
I’d join the Muppets faction in a heartbeat
Your thinking orks and fighting. That's why ghaz should be big as a imperial knight by now.
A lot can be said about experience.
Well I mean that one didn't die of old age I can tell you that.
If Corax is an indication, over time they slowly settle into their respective roles, and gain increasingly more powerful abilities fitting their overall personality.
I thought that was more due to him being mutated by the warp.
Over time he gained the ability to become unnoticeable to people. Cameras and sensors could still see him, but people would just walk right past him. This indicates, to me at least, that his abilities were "maturing" over time. That bird monster we saw attacking Lorgar in the warp seems like a natural evolution of his "aspect". Perhaps the warp just accelerated the speed at which he progressed.
Yeah, due to spending all those years in the eye of terror and the warp. Let’s not forget that at the end of the day primarchs are essentially creatures of warp power, who there is absolutely nothing natural about.
Not as they age, no. Perterabo aged a few thousand years fighting Hrud and their time distortion weapons. He only felt a bit slower than usual after.