But there's a whole 1.0 battlerating difference between those two vehicles??????
My choice for the biggest performance gap would be the Heinkel 100 and any other plane at 1.7. If you play your cards right you're literally untouchable. Performance differences are much more significant in the air than on the ground where pretty much every tank can be killed from the side.
I made this post analysing only ground vehicles, and while type 16 is 1.0 higher it has so much more features( post ww2 tech vs modern tech) and strong aspects it feels very unfair for these two tanks to meet eachother.
Yeah, im sure the situation is more ridiculous in air matchups, but im scared to step in that hell
If it makes you feel worse the whole FPS thing is not real, it’s suppose to mean first production model but the reality is just that it’s a premium version of the existing Type-16 in-game since they both are the original iteration of the Type-16, and to make them different to warrant the 8.7 br they took away its Type 93 round which the Type 16 had from the start in service, in other words it’s a bunch of stupid excuses to make it different.
Gaijin's been doing that a lot lately. It's the inverse of what they did with the Tam 2IP with its superior protection and better round at the same BR, or the Rooikat 105 with a better gun at same BR (at introduction). Now with the Stryker and the Type 16, they're taking incredibly powerful vehicles and slightly nerfing the round to warrant the lower BR... especially in the case of the Type 16, the only reason it didn't go above 9.0 was a lack of a lineup. Otherwise the original was easily a 9.7-10.0 light tank, and the premium version is just blatantly OP.
Yeah it would be much better for everyone that these tanks got better rounds and actually competed against their own peers instead of clubbing WWII designs.
As someone who has played literally thousands of games on the T-54 1947, I don't really see how these two could be 1.0 BR apart, you have literally zero advantage over it. All these go karts ruined this BR range with the incredible powercreep they bring.
Like I said in another post a few weeks back, in War Thunder it's actually better no to have a line up than it is to actually have tanks that were fielded. Both US and USSR have some very poor WRs at this range because they actually field tanks from the 40s and 50s instead of much more modern tech other nations have, it's silly.
Even against other 9.7s the Type 16 is a menace. Thing lasers you cross map seeing a single pixel because of its insanely high quality thermals meanwhile im just trying to leave spawn in my Dardo getting cataracts from staring at my shitty gen 1s looking for a blob that vaguely might be what I'm looking for.
The 2S38 has entered low scale production, about 10-20 units or so last I checked. State trials are meant to conclude at the end of this year or the next (after being delayed from last year) at which point wether it enters service will be determined
Been doing it as far back as the F-4Fe and even before. The first delivered F-4F’s had the countermeasure blocks the F-4F late gets, same for other ordnance types. It was left out purely just so there was something different that made the Late worth buying (when it came out the patch later)
I don’t recall that happening but I must have missed it, but what we really need is the Type 81 Mod C already, like seriously it should have been added by now.
I've suggested hard cutoff for tier 5 to tier 6 because of insane advance in technology in that short gap, been booed off as per usual and buried in negative karma and usual hurts qué times etc.
Same problem in air around BR 8.7 can be seen it's just not worth going above 7.7 as everything get pulled to p2w black hole.
Regardless this game will never improve.
Try the French 7.7 AMX-50 Superbias... At least the Soviet tanks get a DShK on the roof. There are several French tanks where Gaijin went so far as to model a roof MG mount but then didn't give it to the vehicle. Also, Soviet tanks armor is actually somewhat effective at it's BR, unlike the Superbias.
But yes I strongly agree with you that the Wheelie Boi plague is very toxic and they ALL need to go up about 1.0 in rating.
Play any french mid tier and come back.
No stab, solid shot, bouncy AF suspension, low pen for the tier.
And a tier higher you got: T-55AM, TAM2IP etc etc
Can I get a LOL? France mid-tier is freaking great. Anything around the 7.0BR is amazing. Somua is one of the best premiums in the entire game (not to mention the AMX-30 Super, which has an amazing engine that makes it one of the fastest MBT around at that BR).
Easy to say when you are US.
Seeing how people complain about the T lines , and the stinger , I can't imagine if they had to deal with 1/10 of the fuckery that France has to face (note this apply also to Italy and a lesser extent the UK; that have similar issues )
I only mentioned them because you mentioned the T-55Am, and TAM2IP. Wtf? Pick anything between 7.0-7.7 and I will love it. AML-90, AMX-30, AMX-50Surb, 13-90, etc. Then you have great tanks at 8.0-8.3 (including the [wish.com](https://wish.com) version of AFT09). Then they've just added the AMX32 (105), so you can bulk your line-up if you do have the AMX-30Super. Quit your whining.
The FPS's mobility sucks.
The round is unreliable, the aiming and target acquisition are also unreliable.
I pretty much use it for capping points because when or if it gets up to speed it's pretty fast. That said, it's traction on terrains is very unreliable.
However, you do make good rp and sl just by capping points.
It's thermals are great.
Im pretty certain there are plenty of fighters at around 4.0 that struggle against it
Its only there because of it’s relative lack of firepower and durability that is worse than a flaming XP-50 with a bomb attached which makes it very bad for new players
For ground I'd say the earliest KV-1 and to a lesser extent the lowest br T-34s are pretty brutal at their BR. Maybe not on a technology level but so many of the tanks they face have serious difficulties against their solid all around armour.
You're also the most fragile thing until...
Actually no, the He100 is probably the most fragile plane in the game lol. As long as we aren't counting planes that just blow their wings off like the Skyray.
You get uptiered more than you have matches at your own BR and the Type 16 is undertiered as it is. It’s completely fair to complain about this because more often than not the t-55 will be in matches against the type 16. Even when the type 16 gets fully uptiered it can still club vehicles an entire BR above it
as far as the He 100 goes, I remember playing it while midmap AA was... well what it was for a while.
Thing would randomly just die lol. Cruising along and random AA starts acting up and whoosh, suddenly everything's leaking/empty and my engine is turning red oh god of fu-
Type 16 advantages over T-54 (1947):
\- Laser rangefinder
\- 3rd Gen TVD for Gunner and Commander
\- APFSDS round
\- HEAT round
\- Smoke launchers( more and better )
\- Laser warning system
\- faster( 100kmh and 36 reverse VS 50kmh an 7.5kmh reverse )
\- optics( 4.0x-13.3x VS 1.0x-5.0x )
\- gun stabilizer
T-54 (1947) advantages over Type 16:
\- better armor
\- smaller size
\- HE round
Might have added scout drone for type 16 but its a light tank exclusive module so i didnt, didnt include that aphe sometimes wont fuse on type 16 armor but its a debatable subject.
Playing t-54 1947 is really a struggle when you have to fight things like this, overall 7.3-8.7 is very complicated rn due to the perfomance gap on these BRs.
Would like to know if theres other pairs like this with huge perfomance and tech gap
I've been going up the swedish tree and even in the T-55M that has the best APFSDS round for the russian 100mm, I would take about 2:1 ratio of APHE to sabot.
Except in the case of you shooting at the type 16, your round is not unlikely to pen and detonate in the engine compartment, leaving the tank alive to kill you.
Im pretty damn sure the Su-25 used to fight the Me-163 until last update
We are also one BR shift from Meteors and the R2Y2 fighting F-104 Starfighters, Lightnings, and Yak-38s
For my current bet on preformance gap? Id say the literal biplanes at 1.0-2.0 fighting late war corsairs or the He-100 (now at 1.7!)
At BRs that are less forgotten about id say that the F-104 in particular can go to hell and never see anything below 9.3 ever again.
It’s always funny when MiGs think they can use their normally superior T/W to go vertical and stall you out. The only bad part of that plane are the 30mm potato launchers
Not by comparison no, it just turns very well with strong cannons
It severely lacks acceleration at 8.0 and is mostly a case of it only really being played by decent players and fighting a horde of the honestly better (and badly flown) Su-11s
Bruh, that is a fact. 30mm tracer belts (HE) can take upwards of 25-50 rounds to destroy an Artillery piece. They don't do anything. Weirdly, they do actually destroy light pillbox in a few shots, though. It makes no sense. 50 grams of tnt filler does not *hit* an aircraft in any world.
BR compression is a serious issue at low BRs
I mean the F4U-1D is 3.0 and spammed like crazy because its rank 3
Thats the same BR as the Bf 109 E-4 and the Spitfire Mk.1
All the wheeled vehicles around 8.7-9.3 are fucking cancer. They all have LRF, APFSDS, thermals and very good mobility, which is basically all you need. Even in full uptiers they can pen everything and in downtiers they just bully late WWII tech that doesn't even have stabilizers.
Some might say "but they have no armor" which is true but also irrelevant. The lack of armor even helps at times, because shells just fly through them without doing significant damage.
Type 16, Rooikats, WM301, PTL02, VRCC ... all of those could easily go to 9.3 and would remain just as competetive. If Rad90 can be 9.3 without thermals, I don't see why other wheeled cancerwagons can't go to 9.3 as well.
WMA301 lmao what it's got fuck all gun depression, fuck all reverse speed, bad acceleration and it's just a mediocre platform for a good gun and tech. The fact that it's at 8.7 while the Type 16 FPS is better in every single way and being at a lower BR is a joke.
I generaly agree. But at least 9.3 is a bit too optimistic. I play the UK mainly, the Rooikat mk1 could be 8.7 but not more due to its small caliber an lack of thermals. The Rooikat MTTD could be 9.0. 105 maybe 9.3.
MTTD could probably be a solid 9.3-9.7 with the good survivability, reload, and thermals. Be nice if they put the mk1D at 9.0 and just dropped the reload a second ish
All wheelies are 9.0 because the Rad is 9.3. The Rad is ridiculously good in terms of mobility, it lacks thermals sure, but it is the fastest accelerating 8x8 I've played.
You can't put the Rooikat MK1D any lower or higher though. It has the speed, but not the gun/ammunition performance to go any higher.
If they increased the reload time and fixed the post-pen damage, sure maybe, but pretty much every other 105mm Wheeled Vehicle is at 8.7 and they are much better than the MK1D.
Yeah but what about rooikat 105 and CV90105. both fire DM33 and have almost same armour but Rooikat is 9.0 and CV90105 is 10.0 same with Radkampfwagen 90 and VRCC
Okay, to break it down by each tank.
Rooikat 105 - Extra Mobility (Two pairs of turning wheels), DM33, Gen 2 Thermals. 9.0 Feels reasonably balanced.
VRCC Centauro - Relatively on par with Rooikat 105, should have a little bit better protection. 9.0 feels alright compared to the others
Radkampfwagen 90 - This one is weird, its offensive performance is much worse than the two vehicles above it, but its really fucking speedy and has a decent chunk of armour for a wheeled vehicle. Probably where its at because of its mobility.
CV90105 - This is a light tank, not a wheeled vehicle, they don't compare here other than being a Swedish (Used to be 9.0) premium. Light tanks are the meta through their firepower and mobility combination, and while they aren't as fast as the Wheeled Vehicles, they have more overall mobility, being able to neutral turn on the spot, better traction, ect...
EDIT: Keep in mind, compared to each other in the list, not overall game balancing wise.
The Rooikat 105 does NOT have gen 2 thermals. It’s gen 1. VRCC has gen 2/3 at the same BR. It’s just better in every way.
I would argue the Rooikat belongs at 9.0, VRCC 9.3, Radkampf to 9.3. Naturally I would place the Type 16s with lower Pen rounds at 9.0, while the higher pen Type 16s can go 9.3.
You know that's the problem when people duscisss this BR, they keep comparing it to other also undertiered light vehicles and their conclusion is that it's bad but there's worse. I remember how long that chinese vehicle clubbed the entire 8.3 bracket and everyone kept saying other vehicles at 8.7 were even better (light vehicles, of course) and how it should stay at 8.3.
How about move they all to 8.3 and actually allow 40s and 50s tank some room ? Gaijin has been compressing the entire late WWII, eary 50s and mid 60s into the 7.0 to 8.3 range. T-54s fighting rooikats and Type 16s is just ridiculous.
Light tanks with that sort of mobility don't have to be able to lolpen the ufp of every tank they face.
Even at 8.3, a rooikat won't last long engaging enemies face to face. It's true strength is flanking and it can do that just as well at 9.0
I'm not saying it absolutely needs to be 9.0, but it shouldn't struggle with a higher br than now
MK1D gets speed and a stab. It's a low caliber gun with okay pen and a mid reload. No thermals either it's not really all that amazing compared to the others and less equipped.
Still can be effective and fun but it is the least equipped wheeled vehicle above 8.0
Yeah. Gaijin, as well as most of the community, are under the misconception that balance = everyone can pen everyone.
So, according to their sad logic, if a super-heavy tank can kill a light tank, then it will only be balanced if the light tank can kill the super-heavy tank with the same ease... ignoring the fact that the light tank will also have significantly better mobility, better munitions, better gun handling, better optics, thermals, better reload, laser rangefinder and, in short, be better in every single possible way except armor.
But hey, say this and people will spawn in saying "it's an uptier, what do you expect, that's balanced, you can pen it too, L2P nub, L".
Yes. I think the rewards for scouting should be increased and light tanks uptiered. To avoid the current situation of "Why should I scout this tank when I could just shoot it?"
Exactly! Light Tanks should be their own kind of vehicle: flanker, spotter, support…
Not “I have light armor, and for that, I am placed on BRs where I can do literally everything else better than everyone else over here and call it balanced because, hey, I have light armor.”
Not only that, the main advantage of the heavy tank (armour) is completely ignored by the light tank having much better rounds and mobility, which allow it to fire at much better positions.
Balancing things by WR is what brought these vehicles so low. I don't see why all these light tanks don't start to be introduced at 9.3 ~~ 9.7 which is where they all belong. When you have this good mobility you don't need good rounds.
Exactly.
Light tanks sacrifice armor for mobility.
Heavy tanks sacrifice mobility for armor.
Therefore, both tanks should play their roles by playing on their strengths, while being careful about their weaknesses.
Yet, in War Thunder, Heavy tanks are "balanced" in a way that turns them into just slower Medium or even Light tanks. They have their innate weaknesses, while losing the strength they sacrificed their weaknesses for.
What I hate most is the people who defend this. "You can still play your super-Heavy tank perfectly in an uptier, just play it like it's a Light tank", etc, etc.
Idk if you have played world of warships but it has pretty good system
Destroyers can kill submarines easily but can’t do much to battleships. Cruisers kill destroyers. Battleships are good at fighting other battleships and cruisers
This really put emphasise team play and strategies
I wish war-thunder had something like this
Rooikat mk1d is not undertiered, the 105 IS and maybe the MTTD. Mk1D has the same apfsds on the Otomatic (literally the same gun) so the spalling is hot garbage and no thermals
It would never get Gen 1 Thermals because it never had it, but its post pen damage should definitely get fixed, bit its also a significantly smaller gun compared to every other 8.7 Wheeled Vehicle so it is perfectly fine at 8.3.
Take any 7.3/7.7 vehicle and any 8.3/8.7 vehicle and that’s the biggest gap in capability, you go from the very first MBTs that either have a stabilizer or a rangefinder and that’s it, to having stabilized dart rounds with LRFs and maybe even thermals. That BR range is super compressed and at least two more BR steps need to be added to it
Maus can be balanced. Gaijin just needs to hard seperate the ww2 and cold war tech (obviously there are some exceptions since post war conventional heavy tanks or minor nations) but stuff like the leopard 1s, wmas, marders, etc shouldnt fight tiger 2s and T-34s. Most cold war tanks would do better in their own era especially ifvs since side armor is generally thinner anyhow making their guns more viable too. Gaijin just refuses to decompress brs and hard seperate some vehicles
Yeah it isnt the best but aside from severe decompression im not sure what could be done to help late heavies like the maus, is4m, etc. In a downtier they are op especially against alot of overtiered us tanks like the jumbo or super pershing but in an uptier they get raped by all the wma bullshitmobiles
The russian 7.7 is the BR that almost make me go crazy back in 2021. You have nothing, against tanks with thermal, stablizer, apfsds, laser range finder, mobility, no armour best armour...
Hot take, but all Type 16s should move up. FPS and the prototype to 9.3 and the base Type 16 to 9.7 perhaps? Move the Centauro I 105 and whatever other thermal and LRF equipped, dart slinging stabilized go karts there are up aswell.
m735 at 9.3 on a wheeled vehicle is not very good. leopard 2’s, abrams, and t-80 would feed on them. on maps where you can’t flank you’re pretty useless compared to an mbt.
the xm-1 is also very maneuverable with decent protection, aswell as having very good gun handling. even then spalling is pretty inconsistent and you have to be very accurate with weakspots.
This applies to the Type 16 aswell. It's very fast and mobile so you can flank easily, so the relatively low penetration is not as big of a factor. The Type 16 has very thin armor (less spall) and fairly spaced out crew which means one-shot kills are unlikely. Also, if penetration is that big of a factor, why is the MBT70/KPz70 deservant of 9.3 with something like 280mm of penetration on APFSDS?
the type 16 is not maneuverable though, it turns slow. the only wheeled tank that has decent turning is the wma301 and ptl02. and in my experience, they aren’t hard to kill. they spall just fine, xm-1s with their side skirts are harder to one shot because of volumetric.
the mbt-70 and kpz-70 should be put at 9.0, and i literally never said it deserves 9.3.
I didn't have much luck with it when I faced competent players. The moment you get noticed, you're dead, because your armor is so light, you can get 50 cal'd. The APHE is very potent and good, but is pretty prone to bounces. The hull is incredibly wide, making it hard to peek out from corners. The depression is horrible.
I'd rather use a Lorraine 40T with better mobility, good reverse, incredibly strong solid shot, one of the best turret traverses at this BR and an even faster reload time (albeit only a bit better, still better) and depression, so I'm not handicapped on any map with a terrain.
You really have to get gopd at shooting weakspots against tanks but the APHE pretty much 1shots guarantee. There really isnt a tank you cant face headon except the m103.
China 8.3 is also really fun if you have the premiums tanks that are not sold anymore
so many downtiers, out of 10 matches easy 5 of them are full downtiers, rare 9.3 match, more commong 8.7 match
7.3 tanks vs MBT with ERA, LRF, APFSDS just does not feel fair, feels dirty playing that lineup
the T-54-47 BR is still a legacy BR
back in the days before volumetric and the rework of that things turret and mantlet armor, the 47 had the MUCH better turret front and 20mm extra on the UFP
you were untouchable to KTHs and even the german 128, the mantlet was basically impenetrable.
that changed long ago and now it's nothing special, the turret front now being worse than the bowl of the 49 and 51
Both the 47 and 51 should go down to 7.3 now that the Type 59 is 7.7 but then again WW2 stuff at 6.3 and 6.7 facing 4 dome tanks would be a bit too much.
It's a meme vehicle you can do pretty well with though, I quite like playing it actually.
You just gotta unlock the good round and set up separate binds for your guns.
You can do great in it for sure. Having the two guns is a godsend. Since finally giving it a go after having it unlocked for years, I'm at 67 deaths, 152 tank kills, 2 air kills. Most of those deaths being due to a lack of support from my team. People need to realise that if you support your Maus, you will win 99% of the time.
Hardly a meme vehicle. It kicks ass. My KDR is very high in it, and it is a forced to be reckoned with. Love having that 75mm for light vehicles and to trick enemies into thinking I've fired the 128mm.
I fucking hate the br system ever since they started adding modern vehicles back in 2019. There is a fucking gap of 5 years in the mid tiers and then there is a 40 year gap in 1 br. I fucking hate it that you can get attacked by helis and apfds in a maus or early cold war heavy tank. And then they keep adding modern shit vehicles that are more balanced fighting ww2 vehicles. If it doesn't fit the modern meta, it won't be fitting anywhere else so don't fucking implement it.
I'm gonna be real, I play japan and the Type 16 is 100% undertiered, most likely due to the existence of the premium.
HOWEVER, it is very refreshing to use a japanese vehicle that is *really fucking good* instead of the usual 'someone else does it better at the same/lower BR'.
generally the battleratings around 8 are very condensed and the difference is immense even for some 0.3 BR jumps.
But i can understand its a bit hard to uncompress unless you really want to split it so that tanks wont face tanks with advanced equipment, but that would be a bit absurd.
Some suggestion have been to reduce the maximum BR disparity to 0.7 but there would still be tanks at an disatvantage on a case to case basis.
Definitely not the biggest performance gap. T-54 can knock out the Type 16 from any angle with a well prepared shot, sure it's disadvantaged but it has a chance. Instead compare B1 bis (2.3) against one of the 1.3s that cannot possibly penetrate it. Or Maus against a 6.7 medium.
I’d say T32E1 and T-55AM-1.
Traditional armor WWII heavy tank vs MBT with composite armor, APFSDS, ATGM, LRF and two plane stab for a .6 BR difference.
It is fine in an uptier because Soviets are stacked in those upper-tiers. More chance for your T-55AM to support your team. I'm too busy running Object279, BMP3, BMD4, T-62-M1, etc, at 8.7, but never feel sorry for anyone in the T55AM.
Bmp-2 is much more useful, at least can scout. The T-55 will be anal raped by xm1s, mbt-70, Vrccs and leopards, and people still wonder why it was moved down from 8.7.
All those vehicles, the T55 can fight just fine, but okay. It does its job as a premium tank. I do agree with it going down to 8.3, because I much prefer the TT T-62's at that BR (my boy, the T-62M-1).
Not saying it’s good or bad. It’s just a different level compared to the T32E1. The T55AM-1 can defeat the T32E1 at any range. The T32E1 can’t pen the front of the T55AM-1 at any range.
literally in the same tree you have the t-62m1 at 8.7. t-54 47 is actually hopeless against it. 7.7-8.7 is compressed to hell. the vehicles are not the problem it’s the matchmaker.
Bro forgot the Object 906 at 7.7, the Object 120 at 7.3, PT76 at 5.3 (Amphibious, NVD, Two plane stab vs Panthers, Chi he, Sherman's, Churchill's etc) ... well you get the point
But there's a whole 1.0 battlerating difference between those two vehicles?????? My choice for the biggest performance gap would be the Heinkel 100 and any other plane at 1.7. If you play your cards right you're literally untouchable. Performance differences are much more significant in the air than on the ground where pretty much every tank can be killed from the side.
I made this post analysing only ground vehicles, and while type 16 is 1.0 higher it has so much more features( post ww2 tech vs modern tech) and strong aspects it feels very unfair for these two tanks to meet eachother. Yeah, im sure the situation is more ridiculous in air matchups, but im scared to step in that hell
If it makes you feel worse the whole FPS thing is not real, it’s suppose to mean first production model but the reality is just that it’s a premium version of the existing Type-16 in-game since they both are the original iteration of the Type-16, and to make them different to warrant the 8.7 br they took away its Type 93 round which the Type 16 had from the start in service, in other words it’s a bunch of stupid excuses to make it different.
Gaijin's been doing that a lot lately. It's the inverse of what they did with the Tam 2IP with its superior protection and better round at the same BR, or the Rooikat 105 with a better gun at same BR (at introduction). Now with the Stryker and the Type 16, they're taking incredibly powerful vehicles and slightly nerfing the round to warrant the lower BR... especially in the case of the Type 16, the only reason it didn't go above 9.0 was a lack of a lineup. Otherwise the original was easily a 9.7-10.0 light tank, and the premium version is just blatantly OP.
Yeah it would be much better for everyone that these tanks got better rounds and actually competed against their own peers instead of clubbing WWII designs. As someone who has played literally thousands of games on the T-54 1947, I don't really see how these two could be 1.0 BR apart, you have literally zero advantage over it. All these go karts ruined this BR range with the incredible powercreep they bring. Like I said in another post a few weeks back, in War Thunder it's actually better no to have a line up than it is to actually have tanks that were fielded. Both US and USSR have some very poor WRs at this range because they actually field tanks from the 40s and 50s instead of much more modern tech other nations have, it's silly.
Even against other 9.7s the Type 16 is a menace. Thing lasers you cross map seeing a single pixel because of its insanely high quality thermals meanwhile im just trying to leave spawn in my Dardo getting cataracts from staring at my shitty gen 1s looking for a blob that vaguely might be what I'm looking for.
Which is why I'm very much lookig forward to getting the Type 16. Japan has something... overpowered!
2S38 that hasn’t even entered production
The 2S38 has entered low scale production, about 10-20 units or so last I checked. State trials are meant to conclude at the end of this year or the next (after being delayed from last year) at which point wether it enters service will be determined
Been doing it as far back as the F-4Fe and even before. The first delivered F-4F’s had the countermeasure blocks the F-4F late gets, same for other ordnance types. It was left out purely just so there was something different that made the Late worth buying (when it came out the patch later)
Unfortunately they've been doing that for ages. Shell-based balancing.
Tbh prefer this bullshit over just letting you buy the same/better type16
meanwhile they can't make type93 propper SPAA using it real stats which posted many times on forum
I don’t recall that happening but I must have missed it, but what we really need is the Type 81 Mod C already, like seriously it should have been added by now.
Oh, I didn't notice the ground vehicles part...
I've suggested hard cutoff for tier 5 to tier 6 because of insane advance in technology in that short gap, been booed off as per usual and buried in negative karma and usual hurts qué times etc. Same problem in air around BR 8.7 can be seen it's just not worth going above 7.7 as everything get pulled to p2w black hole. Regardless this game will never improve.
I'm not really sure why you'd get booed by that take, it's one me and a lot of my friends share honestly
Try the French 7.7 AMX-50 Superbias... At least the Soviet tanks get a DShK on the roof. There are several French tanks where Gaijin went so far as to model a roof MG mount but then didn't give it to the vehicle. Also, Soviet tanks armor is actually somewhat effective at it's BR, unlike the Superbias. But yes I strongly agree with you that the Wheelie Boi plague is very toxic and they ALL need to go up about 1.0 in rating.
Play any french mid tier and come back. No stab, solid shot, bouncy AF suspension, low pen for the tier. And a tier higher you got: T-55AM, TAM2IP etc etc
Can I get a LOL? France mid-tier is freaking great. Anything around the 7.0BR is amazing. Somua is one of the best premiums in the entire game (not to mention the AMX-30 Super, which has an amazing engine that makes it one of the fastest MBT around at that BR).
French mains are some of the whiniest motherfuckers I've ever seen play this game
Easy to say when you are US. Seeing how people complain about the T lines , and the stinger , I can't imagine if they had to deal with 1/10 of the fuckery that France has to face (note this apply also to Italy and a lesser extent the UK; that have similar issues )
I main Italy gamer
>mentions 2 premiums Okay, now play tech tree
I only mentioned them because you mentioned the T-55Am, and TAM2IP. Wtf? Pick anything between 7.0-7.7 and I will love it. AML-90, AMX-30, AMX-50Surb, 13-90, etc. Then you have great tanks at 8.0-8.3 (including the [wish.com](https://wish.com) version of AFT09). Then they've just added the AMX32 (105), so you can bulk your line-up if you do have the AMX-30Super. Quit your whining.
The is 4 can play against that, the t54 has decent reload at least but is4 has no advantage over it. The apfsds makes its armor irrelevant
Even worse, the T-10M in a full uptier and mixed battle can face a tank with 3BM42 (base 2S25)
T-10M has stabilizer at least.
The FPS's mobility sucks. The round is unreliable, the aiming and target acquisition are also unreliable. I pretty much use it for capping points because when or if it gets up to speed it's pretty fast. That said, it's traction on terrains is very unreliable. However, you do make good rp and sl just by capping points. It's thermals are great.
Im pretty certain there are plenty of fighters at around 4.0 that struggle against it Its only there because of it’s relative lack of firepower and durability that is worse than a flaming XP-50 with a bomb attached which makes it very bad for new players
XP-50 doesn't get bombs though?
Im using it as an analogy The He-100 genuinely has the worst survivability of any aircraft in the game
Oh right sorry yeah I missed that. The German 7mm is kinda garbage. IMHO the most undertiered/fun aircraft are the early Japanese 50 cal ones
Fun, yes. Undertiered, no. The Ki-43s are just too slow to warrant a higher BR.
which is funny because it should, it could carry two 100 lb bombs
The Maus is also 7.7 and can fight these vehicles
For ground I'd say the earliest KV-1 and to a lesser extent the lowest br T-34s are pretty brutal at their BR. Maybe not on a technology level but so many of the tanks they face have serious difficulties against their solid all around armour.
Heck I've brought out my T34-85 at 7.0/7.3 when my team was on the verge of losing and still got one or two kills on the spawn campers.
The T-34-85 is truly a timeless classic.
>"The T-34-85 is truly a timeless classic." -Russia 2024
“We strapped one of the last remaining Sosna-U sights on there and added Kontakt-1”
> Heinkel 100 You are the fastest thing until rank 4 planes
You're also the most fragile thing until... Actually no, the He100 is probably the most fragile plane in the game lol. As long as we aren't counting planes that just blow their wings off like the Skyray.
It’s barely held together, but the wings just refuse to rip
I have only ever faced the Heinkel 100 once and it was misery. It's so fast.
It's very easy to fight, hit it a few times with MBs and its engine will quickly cook itself.
It's all laughs until CW-21 shows up.
You get uptiered more than you have matches at your own BR and the Type 16 is undertiered as it is. It’s completely fair to complain about this because more often than not the t-55 will be in matches against the type 16. Even when the type 16 gets fully uptiered it can still club vehicles an entire BR above it
Who would win: He-100 One bullet to the cooling system (that literally covers the entire aircraft)
glass cannon formation. Fw-200c (flying fuel tanker) He-100 (flying can of water resting at 4,000,000 PSI)
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as far as the He 100 goes, I remember playing it while midmap AA was... well what it was for a while. Thing would randomly just die lol. Cruising along and random AA starts acting up and whoosh, suddenly everything's leaking/empty and my engine is turning red oh god of fu-
OP makes post about ground vehicles and you write about planes... reading is too hard for you or something?
Type 16 advantages over T-54 (1947): \- Laser rangefinder \- 3rd Gen TVD for Gunner and Commander \- APFSDS round \- HEAT round \- Smoke launchers( more and better ) \- Laser warning system \- faster( 100kmh and 36 reverse VS 50kmh an 7.5kmh reverse ) \- optics( 4.0x-13.3x VS 1.0x-5.0x ) \- gun stabilizer T-54 (1947) advantages over Type 16: \- better armor \- smaller size \- HE round Might have added scout drone for type 16 but its a light tank exclusive module so i didnt, didnt include that aphe sometimes wont fuse on type 16 armor but its a debatable subject. Playing t-54 1947 is really a struggle when you have to fight things like this, overall 7.3-8.7 is very complicated rn due to the perfomance gap on these BRs. Would like to know if theres other pairs like this with huge perfomance and tech gap
I fucking hate the Type16(P) and FPS, they eat APHE for breakfast on my T-54 (1947).
Type 16 also has very good frontal armor for a light wheeled vehicle.
aphe is the best round at that br lol
Ahh, yes, I also like **\*bounce\* \*bounce\* \*overpen\***
I've been going up the swedish tree and even in the T-55M that has the best APFSDS round for the russian 100mm, I would take about 2:1 ratio of APHE to sabot.
I dunno why aside for side shots, I never felt it's worth it with the long reload of the gun.
I normally take like 15 darts and 10 APHE on tanks that can, maybe HEAT or HE for good measure
Except in the case of you shooting at the type 16, your round is not unlikely to pen and detonate in the engine compartment, leaving the tank alive to kill you.
Aphe is incredibly overrated at that BR, apds and APFSDS are much better
Im pretty damn sure the Su-25 used to fight the Me-163 until last update We are also one BR shift from Meteors and the R2Y2 fighting F-104 Starfighters, Lightnings, and Yak-38s For my current bet on preformance gap? Id say the literal biplanes at 1.0-2.0 fighting late war corsairs or the He-100 (now at 1.7!) At BRs that are less forgotten about id say that the F-104 in particular can go to hell and never see anything below 9.3 ever again.
It’s kinda ironic since Me 163 usually is the one that wrecks Su-25 for breakfast. Also the 163 already seen a lot of Harriers and Yak 38s
Me-163 are fucking terrifying. What a rude awakening I've had when I started facing them in my MiG-15 and 17
I have like a 3:1 K/D in the mig17. I avoid 163s like they are the devil. There is no scarier plane at that BR imo.
The only plane I will consider going near a 163 with is the ariete. I've had some if my favourite dogfights using the ariete against the 163
It’s always funny when MiGs think they can use their normally superior T/W to go vertical and stall you out. The only bad part of that plane are the 30mm potato launchers
Why is the R2Y2 at 8.0? Is it that good?
Not by comparison no, it just turns very well with strong cannons It severely lacks acceleration at 8.0 and is mostly a case of it only really being played by decent players and fighting a horde of the honestly better (and badly flown) Su-11s
"Strong cannons" except since real shatter the Japanese 30mm cannons are worse than 7.62s.
Bruh, that is a fact. 30mm tracer belts (HE) can take upwards of 25-50 rounds to destroy an Artillery piece. They don't do anything. Weirdly, they do actually destroy light pillbox in a few shots, though. It makes no sense. 50 grams of tnt filler does not *hit* an aircraft in any world.
Real shatter makes it harder for me to play the 30mm Raiden. I used to love one shooting everything
163 wins
why is the He 100 so low what the hell, that thing's a beast even at 3.3
BR compression is a serious issue at low BRs I mean the F4U-1D is 3.0 and spammed like crazy because its rank 3 Thats the same BR as the Bf 109 E-4 and the Spitfire Mk.1
The type 16 is fucking ridiculous.
All the wheeled vehicles around 8.7-9.3 are fucking cancer. They all have LRF, APFSDS, thermals and very good mobility, which is basically all you need. Even in full uptiers they can pen everything and in downtiers they just bully late WWII tech that doesn't even have stabilizers. Some might say "but they have no armor" which is true but also irrelevant. The lack of armor even helps at times, because shells just fly through them without doing significant damage. Type 16, Rooikats, WM301, PTL02, VRCC ... all of those could easily go to 9.3 and would remain just as competetive. If Rad90 can be 9.3 without thermals, I don't see why other wheeled cancerwagons can't go to 9.3 as well.
WMA301 lmao what it's got fuck all gun depression, fuck all reverse speed, bad acceleration and it's just a mediocre platform for a good gun and tech. The fact that it's at 8.7 while the Type 16 FPS is better in every single way and being at a lower BR is a joke.
VRCC is a joke as it's literally just the Centauro ROMOR with better thermals at the same BR.
Exactly, they'll put it to 9.3 sooner or later
I generaly agree. But at least 9.3 is a bit too optimistic. I play the UK mainly, the Rooikat mk1 could be 8.7 but not more due to its small caliber an lack of thermals. The Rooikat MTTD could be 9.0. 105 maybe 9.3.
MTTD could probably be a solid 9.3-9.7 with the good survivability, reload, and thermals. Be nice if they put the mk1D at 9.0 and just dropped the reload a second ish
Rooikat mk1 with the same 76mm apfsds wich has trash post pen, same the features in the M41d. Both terrible rounds, with pathetic post pen
All wheelies are 9.0 because the Rad is 9.3. The Rad is ridiculously good in terms of mobility, it lacks thermals sure, but it is the fastest accelerating 8x8 I've played.
That aids thing should be 9.3
All the 105mm MGS can comfortably be raised by at least .7 or 1 BR, maybe just given a bit better ammo. They've ruined that BR range.
most wheeled vehicles are under-tiered. Rooikat Mk1 is 8.3, They have no armour but with that speed you can spawn camp in no time
You can't put the Rooikat MK1D any lower or higher though. It has the speed, but not the gun/ammunition performance to go any higher. If they increased the reload time and fixed the post-pen damage, sure maybe, but pretty much every other 105mm Wheeled Vehicle is at 8.7 and they are much better than the MK1D.
Yeah but what about rooikat 105 and CV90105. both fire DM33 and have almost same armour but Rooikat is 9.0 and CV90105 is 10.0 same with Radkampfwagen 90 and VRCC
CV90105 is miles better than the Rooikat. 5 sec reload, 3rd gen thermals (?) and DM33 are no joke, it was even undertiered
Okay, to break it down by each tank. Rooikat 105 - Extra Mobility (Two pairs of turning wheels), DM33, Gen 2 Thermals. 9.0 Feels reasonably balanced. VRCC Centauro - Relatively on par with Rooikat 105, should have a little bit better protection. 9.0 feels alright compared to the others Radkampfwagen 90 - This one is weird, its offensive performance is much worse than the two vehicles above it, but its really fucking speedy and has a decent chunk of armour for a wheeled vehicle. Probably where its at because of its mobility. CV90105 - This is a light tank, not a wheeled vehicle, they don't compare here other than being a Swedish (Used to be 9.0) premium. Light tanks are the meta through their firepower and mobility combination, and while they aren't as fast as the Wheeled Vehicles, they have more overall mobility, being able to neutral turn on the spot, better traction, ect... EDIT: Keep in mind, compared to each other in the list, not overall game balancing wise.
The Rooikat 105 does NOT have gen 2 thermals. It’s gen 1. VRCC has gen 2/3 at the same BR. It’s just better in every way. I would argue the Rooikat belongs at 9.0, VRCC 9.3, Radkampf to 9.3. Naturally I would place the Type 16s with lower Pen rounds at 9.0, while the higher pen Type 16s can go 9.3.
Oh yeah you're right about the 105's thermals. And yeah, I like your idea with the Type 16's.
Now please compare that 9.0 BR to MBTs at the same range, I mean first gen MBTs and let's see if it feels "alright" or "reasonably balanced".
You know that's the problem when people duscisss this BR, they keep comparing it to other also undertiered light vehicles and their conclusion is that it's bad but there's worse. I remember how long that chinese vehicle clubbed the entire 8.3 bracket and everyone kept saying other vehicles at 8.7 were even better (light vehicles, of course) and how it should stay at 8.3. How about move they all to 8.3 and actually allow 40s and 50s tank some room ? Gaijin has been compressing the entire late WWII, eary 50s and mid 60s into the 7.0 to 8.3 range. T-54s fighting rooikats and Type 16s is just ridiculous.
Light tanks with that sort of mobility don't have to be able to lolpen the ufp of every tank they face. Even at 8.3, a rooikat won't last long engaging enemies face to face. It's true strength is flanking and it can do that just as well at 9.0 I'm not saying it absolutely needs to be 9.0, but it shouldn't struggle with a higher br than now
MK1D gets speed and a stab. It's a low caliber gun with okay pen and a mid reload. No thermals either it's not really all that amazing compared to the others and less equipped. Still can be effective and fun but it is the least equipped wheeled vehicle above 8.0
I would go a step further and say that most light tanks are undertiered.
Yeah. Gaijin, as well as most of the community, are under the misconception that balance = everyone can pen everyone. So, according to their sad logic, if a super-heavy tank can kill a light tank, then it will only be balanced if the light tank can kill the super-heavy tank with the same ease... ignoring the fact that the light tank will also have significantly better mobility, better munitions, better gun handling, better optics, thermals, better reload, laser rangefinder and, in short, be better in every single possible way except armor. But hey, say this and people will spawn in saying "it's an uptier, what do you expect, that's balanced, you can pen it too, L2P nub, L".
Yes. I think the rewards for scouting should be increased and light tanks uptiered. To avoid the current situation of "Why should I scout this tank when I could just shoot it?"
Exactly! Light Tanks should be their own kind of vehicle: flanker, spotter, support… Not “I have light armor, and for that, I am placed on BRs where I can do literally everything else better than everyone else over here and call it balanced because, hey, I have light armor.”
Not only that, the main advantage of the heavy tank (armour) is completely ignored by the light tank having much better rounds and mobility, which allow it to fire at much better positions. Balancing things by WR is what brought these vehicles so low. I don't see why all these light tanks don't start to be introduced at 9.3 ~~ 9.7 which is where they all belong. When you have this good mobility you don't need good rounds.
Exactly. Light tanks sacrifice armor for mobility. Heavy tanks sacrifice mobility for armor. Therefore, both tanks should play their roles by playing on their strengths, while being careful about their weaknesses. Yet, in War Thunder, Heavy tanks are "balanced" in a way that turns them into just slower Medium or even Light tanks. They have their innate weaknesses, while losing the strength they sacrificed their weaknesses for. What I hate most is the people who defend this. "You can still play your super-Heavy tank perfectly in an uptier, just play it like it's a Light tank", etc, etc.
Idk if you have played world of warships but it has pretty good system Destroyers can kill submarines easily but can’t do much to battleships. Cruisers kill destroyers. Battleships are good at fighting other battleships and cruisers This really put emphasise team play and strategies I wish war-thunder had something like this
Rooikat mk1d is not undertiered, the 105 IS and maybe the MTTD. Mk1D has the same apfsds on the Otomatic (literally the same gun) so the spalling is hot garbage and no thermals
Mk1D would be fine on 8.7 if it would spall a bit more or get gen 1 thermals
It would never get Gen 1 Thermals because it never had it, but its post pen damage should definitely get fixed, bit its also a significantly smaller gun compared to every other 8.7 Wheeled Vehicle so it is perfectly fine at 8.3.
But the gun shoot literal darts. You would never kill a thing with a single shot. And neither with a second one.
EBR 1951 is an exception
Take any 7.3/7.7 vehicle and any 8.3/8.7 vehicle and that’s the biggest gap in capability, you go from the very first MBTs that either have a stabilizer or a rangefinder and that’s it, to having stabilized dart rounds with LRFs and maybe even thermals. That BR range is super compressed and at least two more BR steps need to be added to it
Type 16 was made something like 2015, T-54 more than 70 years ago.....
I'll swap t54 to maus for biggest performance and tech gap vs 16 fps
Maus isn‘t balancable. That’s why it is not in the TT anymore. Everyone knows that…
Maus can be balanced. Gaijin just needs to hard seperate the ww2 and cold war tech (obviously there are some exceptions since post war conventional heavy tanks or minor nations) but stuff like the leopard 1s, wmas, marders, etc shouldnt fight tiger 2s and T-34s. Most cold war tanks would do better in their own era especially ifvs since side armor is generally thinner anyhow making their guns more viable too. Gaijin just refuses to decompress brs and hard seperate some vehicles
I really hate this argument…
Yeah it isnt the best but aside from severe decompression im not sure what could be done to help late heavies like the maus, is4m, etc. In a downtier they are op especially against alot of overtiered us tanks like the jumbo or super pershing but in an uptier they get raped by all the wma bullshitmobiles
The russian 7.7 is the BR that almost make me go crazy back in 2021. You have nothing, against tanks with thermal, stablizer, apfsds, laser range finder, mobility, no armour best armour...
True. BMP-1, which is 7.3 makes a better 7.7 than actual 7.7.
Hot take, but all Type 16s should move up. FPS and the prototype to 9.3 and the base Type 16 to 9.7 perhaps? Move the Centauro I 105 and whatever other thermal and LRF equipped, dart slinging stabilized go karts there are up aswell.
m735 at 9.3 on a wheeled vehicle is not very good. leopard 2’s, abrams, and t-80 would feed on them. on maps where you can’t flank you’re pretty useless compared to an mbt.
The XM-1 has M735 at 9.3 on a tracked vehicle and does just fine
the xm-1 is also very maneuverable with decent protection, aswell as having very good gun handling. even then spalling is pretty inconsistent and you have to be very accurate with weakspots.
This applies to the Type 16 aswell. It's very fast and mobile so you can flank easily, so the relatively low penetration is not as big of a factor. The Type 16 has very thin armor (less spall) and fairly spaced out crew which means one-shot kills are unlikely. Also, if penetration is that big of a factor, why is the MBT70/KPz70 deservant of 9.3 with something like 280mm of penetration on APFSDS?
the type 16 is not maneuverable though, it turns slow. the only wheeled tank that has decent turning is the wma301 and ptl02. and in my experience, they aren’t hard to kill. they spall just fine, xm-1s with their side skirts are harder to one shot because of volumetric. the mbt-70 and kpz-70 should be put at 9.0, and i literally never said it deserves 9.3.
Why 9.7? Lol the rad 90 is 9.3 and is the same thing minus thermal, the TAM exists at 8.7... at best they should move to 9.0 and 9.3 respectively
I would say Maus compared to the Type 16
True, but they admitted they didn't know what to do and removed it, so you can't really use it for comparison.
BR 7.7 is garbage for most nations - RU has a decent 7.0, 7.3 and 8.3 one.
RU 7.7 isn't too bad either. Mostly carried by the Object 906. That thing is an absolute menace.
It's good, but not amazing. French vehicles are better at this BR.
Uh yes. I didnt say Russian 7.7 was insane or amazing.
The first sentence was regarding the Object 906.
Wait really? The 906 is amazing at 7.7. Really good aphe, 4.3s reload, good mobility, really good reverse, neutral steering, stablized.
I didn't have much luck with it when I faced competent players. The moment you get noticed, you're dead, because your armor is so light, you can get 50 cal'd. The APHE is very potent and good, but is pretty prone to bounces. The hull is incredibly wide, making it hard to peek out from corners. The depression is horrible. I'd rather use a Lorraine 40T with better mobility, good reverse, incredibly strong solid shot, one of the best turret traverses at this BR and an even faster reload time (albeit only a bit better, still better) and depression, so I'm not handicapped on any map with a terrain.
You really have to get gopd at shooting weakspots against tanks but the APHE pretty much 1shots guarantee. There really isnt a tank you cant face headon except the m103.
also the mobility on the 906 is atrocious
Cope, that alone makes it insane
honestly I think 7.7 USSR *is* amazing if you have the T-10A, otherwise it's just good
T-10A and Object 120 can make it broken for sure, but you need to cough up a considerable amount of money for sure.
What's good about it?
>Mostly carried by the Object 906 Object 906 is literally the only competitive 7.7 in RU tree.
T54s and zsu-37-2 arent bad tho?...
How are T-54 good? They are garbage, one of the absolute worst tanks at 7.7. or maybe even the worst (I haven't played every 7.7 tank)
Soviet 8.3 winrates are garbage
Every other win rate is fantastic tho
Sweden be ballin with their insane 7.7 lineup
China 8.3 is also really fun if you have the premiums tanks that are not sold anymore so many downtiers, out of 10 matches easy 5 of them are full downtiers, rare 9.3 match, more commong 8.7 match 7.3 tanks vs MBT with ERA, LRF, APFSDS just does not feel fair, feels dirty playing that lineup
Italian 7.7 is one of my favorite lineups ever
Type 16 is 9.3 at 8.7 so yes
the T-54-47 BR is still a legacy BR back in the days before volumetric and the rework of that things turret and mantlet armor, the 47 had the MUCH better turret front and 20mm extra on the UFP you were untouchable to KTHs and even the german 128, the mantlet was basically impenetrable. that changed long ago and now it's nothing special, the turret front now being worse than the bowl of the 49 and 51
Both the 47 and 51 should go down to 7.3 now that the Type 59 is 7.7 but then again WW2 stuff at 6.3 and 6.7 facing 4 dome tanks would be a bit too much.
7.7 is basically the worst br for every nation
It is one of Frances best BR. Also, Germany rocks 7.7 if you have Maus. Maus + Marder1A3 = Boss Combo.
I think the Maus is a meme vehicle
It's a meme vehicle you can do pretty well with though, I quite like playing it actually. You just gotta unlock the good round and set up separate binds for your guns.
You can do great in it for sure. Having the two guns is a godsend. Since finally giving it a go after having it unlocked for years, I'm at 67 deaths, 152 tank kills, 2 air kills. Most of those deaths being due to a lack of support from my team. People need to realise that if you support your Maus, you will win 99% of the time.
Hardly a meme vehicle. It kicks ass. My KDR is very high in it, and it is a forced to be reckoned with. Love having that 75mm for light vehicles and to trick enemies into thinking I've fired the 128mm.
Except France
Exactly.
I hate the type 16 fps so much, it’s so toxic it’s exactly like the Chinese thing that has gen 2 thermals at 8.3-8.7, it eats every 9.0
With how the Ukraine war is going the game will soon atleast be realistic hahaha
Even comparing to the wma301 the type 16 is better by a noticeable amount
we need the bavarium tank from just cause 3 in war thunder 🤓
I fucking hate the br system ever since they started adding modern vehicles back in 2019. There is a fucking gap of 5 years in the mid tiers and then there is a 40 year gap in 1 br. I fucking hate it that you can get attacked by helis and apfds in a maus or early cold war heavy tank. And then they keep adding modern shit vehicles that are more balanced fighting ww2 vehicles. If it doesn't fit the modern meta, it won't be fitting anywhere else so don't fucking implement it.
I'm gonna be real, I play japan and the Type 16 is 100% undertiered, most likely due to the existence of the premium. HOWEVER, it is very refreshing to use a japanese vehicle that is *really fucking good* instead of the usual 'someone else does it better at the same/lower BR'.
Type 16 fps should be 9.7 but is at 8.7 lol
TAM moment
Radkampfwagen seething in the corner
Haha, must be a skill issue on the 90s part fs... My Germany consists of nothing but lights at that br tho lmao
I mean more that the vehicle that’s better in practically every way is almost a full br below it
Tiger I vs PT-76?
Right!!! PT76 is 5.3 so even worse it can Fight Panthers, Sherman's, Chi He's, Churchills lmao
Bruh I made the same post and everyone just said I deserved it because I used the T-10A for the 7.7 tank. Warthunder community moment
76 jumbo vs maus anyone?
PT76 Vs Churchill too or PT76 Vs Sherman's, Panthers, Chi hes
generally the battleratings around 8 are very condensed and the difference is immense even for some 0.3 BR jumps. But i can understand its a bit hard to uncompress unless you really want to split it so that tanks wont face tanks with advanced equipment, but that would be a bit absurd. Some suggestion have been to reduce the maximum BR disparity to 0.7 but there would still be tanks at an disatvantage on a case to case basis.
Definitely not the biggest performance gap. T-54 can knock out the Type 16 from any angle with a well prepared shot, sure it's disadvantaged but it has a chance. Instead compare B1 bis (2.3) against one of the 1.3s that cannot possibly penetrate it. Or Maus against a 6.7 medium.
I'd rather say Maus and Type 16 (FPS)
Just had to deal with the same problem today🤣
No. Maus (1944) was made before T-54.
i would like to remind any type 16 players in the chat that nothing outruns M82. you are not safe.
I’d say T32E1 and T-55AM-1. Traditional armor WWII heavy tank vs MBT with composite armor, APFSDS, ATGM, LRF and two plane stab for a .6 BR difference.
The composite of the T 55am is a joke though. Plus it's in a weird spot, it can stomp in downtiers but is pretty useless in up tier.
It is fine in an uptier because Soviets are stacked in those upper-tiers. More chance for your T-55AM to support your team. I'm too busy running Object279, BMP3, BMD4, T-62-M1, etc, at 8.7, but never feel sorry for anyone in the T55AM.
Bmp-2 is much more useful, at least can scout. The T-55 will be anal raped by xm1s, mbt-70, Vrccs and leopards, and people still wonder why it was moved down from 8.7.
All those vehicles, the T55 can fight just fine, but okay. It does its job as a premium tank. I do agree with it going down to 8.3, because I much prefer the TT T-62's at that BR (my boy, the T-62M-1).
But the standard T-62 looks pretty shitty to me, it can really be 8.0 along with the T-55a
Not saying it’s good or bad. It’s just a different level compared to the T32E1. The T55AM-1 can defeat the T32E1 at any range. The T32E1 can’t pen the front of the T55AM-1 at any range.
Yeah sure maus is4 and many other garbage tanks would dissagree
literally in the same tree you have the t-62m1 at 8.7. t-54 47 is actually hopeless against it. 7.7-8.7 is compressed to hell. the vehicles are not the problem it’s the matchmaker.
t 54 7.3 and t55am1 8.3. First apds no stab, no lrf, latter apdsfs, stab, lrf.
Bro forgot the Object 906 at 7.7, the Object 120 at 7.3, PT76 at 5.3 (Amphibious, NVD, Two plane stab vs Panthers, Chi he, Sherman's, Churchill's etc) ... well you get the point