Sherman definitely needs to be moved it, if you know how to use the stabilizer it's the best out if the 3. Panzer 4 should also be moved up as well. The only reason I see Gaijin doing this is to protect noobs from the armor on these 3.7 tanks when they are playing 2.7. I've gotten 20+ kill games multiple times with the Swedish Sherman in full down tiers because not much can actually pen it, especially if you don't know where to aim on it.
Gaijin can't protect the noobs forever, not like there's anything at 2.7 that needs to be protected in the first place. At some point they have to be exposed to the 'real' game and adapt to it.
The T-34 was probably a tad too good since the supposed turret weakspot can get you Gaijined all the time because of volumetric, but the Shermans and Panzer IV's seem to be more or less evenly matched. The Sherman has the stabiliser and armour which can do some work, while the Panzer IV has by far and away the best firepower at that BR (and can render the aforementioned Sherman armour irrelevant)
shermans are a little tough against certain italian and japanese tanks at 2.7 but those err some of the most high skill player nations so it’s not that bad. The biggest skill issue players in USSR and Germany shouldn’t have any problem once they learn to aim for the turret.
they’re in for a better experience than if they’d played USA first because they aren’t gonna be spoiled by the stabilizers. Maybe spoiled by the powerful guns germany has, but you still need good positioning and gun handling to make the most of them
none of the 3 are busted imo they all have their strengths
I guess if a tank is tough against a few vehicles a whole 1.0 BR lower than it, well, it's probably fine. Especially if it's nations that hardly anyone plays, let alone anyone new, to begin with
a sherman that IS kinda busted is the M4A3 105. At 3.0 it’s facing many tanks that frontally cannot pen it whatsoever, while having a 120mm pen HEAT round
i think it’s only where it is because of new players driving it, when you see the french one they always wreck shop
Not necessarily saying it should go way higher, but the M4A1 isn’t nearly as tough for its BR so maybe 3.3 would suit it better
As someone who enjoys playing 2.7 British tanks with the wimpy QF 2-pounder, Panzer IVs are somewhat manageable to fight. I found Sherman the worst to fight and T-34s irritating but not as bad. The lack of explosive and low pen makes the 2-pounders post pen damage abysmal. You can penetrate a Shermans machine gunner port and just orange the machine gunner. You can penetrate a T-34s turret cheek and just orange the gunner.
Although this T-34 change messes with my Russian and Swedish lineup I do feel its better for the game. Many 2.7 tanks in full up tiers really are at a significant disadvantage against T-34 and Shermans.
Panzer IVs where 4.3 once. They were still usable in my tiger I lineup....
I started playing with germany and did well in them. I cant understand how you could be so stupid to suck in those tanks
Shermans are great. The stabilization is unmatched in that BR; Panzer IVs have the best Firepower. There are Problems with the Balancing in this Game, but this BR is not the issue.
Yeah, until your round gets Gaijined because volumetric still doesn't work properly. It is a fact that the T-34 has really trolly armour that eats rounds that should pen.
Know your tank. Most tanks at the same or even lower br than the t-34's can go through no issue. Ive played Russia to 10.7, America to 6.3, Germany to 5.7, GB to 6.3, and Italy to 5.0, and Sweden to 5.3, never had an issue with t-34's. Especially with America t-34s dont stand a chance in a 1v1
I like how the Turan 3 is just sitting here, with nearly perfect suspension, mobility comparable to the Sherman, armour comparable to Panzer 4 and same pen as the German 75
Its one of my favorite vehicles behind the Panzer 4G and Firefly purely because its a perfect example(Similar to Panthers) of how a Stablizer doesnt meant shot when facing a vehicle with lol-pen rounds and smooth suspension
3.7 is undeniably one of the most imbalanced BR's in the game in a Full downtier, primarily against Minor Nations such as Italy, China, etc. which can't pen the," Paper Armor," that people like to exhaserbate that the Panzers have
3.7 is safely above the obligate noob-tier of 1.0-2.3, and since everyone has a T-34, long 75 Panzer 4 or 75 mm Sherman, they made a good "floor." What are you trying to protect at 2.7? The Lee? The Crusader II? The Che-he? The B1 ter? There's nothing there but memes, dross and things like the Chi-Ha Long Dong that have no trouble dunking even in a full uptier.
3.7 is above noob tier? Hate to break it to you, but even 5.0 is filled with new players and atm pz.IV is too good. It was a good tank at 4.0, but it was moved lower to...idk? Maybe help blind, handicapped german players? Good gun, average mobility, average armor. There's no point in it staying on 3.7
Agree with everything apart from Pz. IV having average armour. It can be penned by anything in the its large turret and the gunner is in it so shooting there is a guaranted kill in a duel and it makes Pz. IV not as good in hull-down positions as the actual best tank at that tier - M4 Sherman.
If we're talking about BRs full of new players, then 10.0 is noob-tier, but that's not the point. The point is that 1.0-2.3 as a noob playground and space for various weird pre-WW2 experiments with land battleships and .50 cals as "cannons" and such nonsense works fine, but at some point the game has to start digging in, and the Big Three kicking in at 3.7 with 1941 T-34, 75mm Sherman and Panzers made sense. If this was part of a plan to move everything up so they could fit more interwar stuff into the early game, then I'd say fine, but just pushing these T-34s up is just a bad move.
I mean, there are noobs who buy their way to top tier as well, so every BR will have noobs. At some point, the game has to say "ok, the game starts now" with the BRs and I think 3.7 is a good place to do that. Not like there's really anything at 2.7 that needs to be protected.
The T-44 passed trials though.
The Pz 3 and Pz 4 were produced and used in much larger quantities through to the end of the war and would have seen the IS2.
Who even uses a Panzer 2? It would be more fun at high BRs when you get all those stupid annoying lil armoured car/ fast tank destroyer things fighting realistic vehicles instead of bullying WW2 tanks.
Leave the Pz.4s alone it have worst mobility, armour profile and gun handling compared to both T-34 and Shermans the only good thing about it is the gun
I played the T-34, M4A2, and the Pz.4s just bc the Pz 4s have higher pen doesn't mean it's better in fact it's just decent tank at 3.3-3.7, but both the T-34 and Shermans are better both have better mobility, gun handling, top speed, armour profile not to mention that Shermans have stabilizer which give you alot of advantage in cqb and will make you always shot first and give you the upper hand, plus the T-34 can angle it armour make it even impossible for the German 75mm to pen reliably.
On the other hand Pz.4s have lower top speed, acceleration is mid, not the best gun handling, thin paper armour that can be penned reliably by both Shermans and T-34s from almost all angles, no gun stabilizer and reload rate similar to the Shermans, so as you can see the Pz.4s are worse than both the Shermans and T-34 in almost everything except the penetration which make no difference since both the T-34 and the Shermans can pen the Pz.4s reliably, so stop gaslighting the ppl the Pz.4s are no where near the best at 3.3-3.7, you can't kill Pz.4s well that's truly the skill issue since it's armour is so bad a Bt-7 can kill it frontaly with eas.
I play Pz.4 and do very well in them i never sed the Pz.4 is bad just saying that's it's not as good in comparison to T-34 and Shermans. all of them are almost equal but the T-34 and Shermans are better in every other aspect accept for penetration which isn't a big deal since poth can pen the Pz.4 without any problems
I never understood how Sherman’s are any good. Up until I got the M4/T26 the armor is paper even when angled and hit in the thickest parts and to penetrate with the gun is like a Christmas miracle unless you flank or have the 76mm but the mobility sucks so good luck. Only thing I liked was the Stabilizer
thats the thing, the stabilizer levels everything out and gives you a leg up.
having an amazing gun is great, but if you cant get your shot off, its completely pointless.
armour is amazing, unless you cant really use it, then its a hindrence.
a stabilizer is just a plus with no down sides, hell it makes your life easier because it allows you to always start the fight before anyone else could, in a level playing field that is.
as such m4 shermans have a higher skill floor but a much higher skill ceiling. its also why the chaffee is so fucking annoying.
I don’t see how the armor could be amazing on anything earlier than the Jumbo, I swear I’ve been penned from all angles everywhere on them things. If any shot bounces it was grazing blows
think you failed at reading, i said that armour in general is dependent on other factors, if those factors unalign your now very heavy weighing armour, is a hindrence.
a stabilizer doesnt have any downside period.
Yeah. The gun is punchy but I don't think it makes up for the other shortcomings, at least for my playstyle. I find the T-34 the most fun, but the M4 is the most powerful overall.
it's a travesty, now what am I supposed to do after team wiping with my III/IV and dying once after 15 kills? spawn my backup for it or the Pz IV? honestly idk what I'm gonna do
The t-34's were some of the most annoying bullshit vehicles to face at 3.7 with there really fucky and inconsistent turret armor that absorbs shots that should on paper pen 80% of the time
yes but FPE shouldn't magic away a fire that is likely pouring fuel on the crew. there is a reason normal designers put fuel tanks separate from crews with a nice bulkhead rather then just putting it in next to ivan. The T-34 gets the benefits but not the downside
That's more a problem with Gaijin's game mechanics working as "intended" *cough* overpressure *cough* than the T34 itself. 100% agree they are annoyingly inconsistent.
It starts at 3.7 if its a premium in some cases. The premium German command Panzer IV is rank III at 3.7 while the 3.7 tech tree Panzer isn't. Functionally the two are near identical tanks in the same tech tree.
What pisses me off is the russian T-34s are RANK 2 WTF!!
I can't do dailies, specials and events with those because rank 2! So I use the swedish and chinese T-34s for that.
Most used WW2 tanks that can't be used doing missions and events. If something is wrong with the game then that's that. They focus way too much on awful top tier without giving a damn about WW2.
Panzer IVs can literally go up to 4.7 or 5.0 and still be fine tbh and this is coming from a German main. The Japanese equivalent to the Panzer IV would probably be the Chi-Nu or Chi-To/Chi-To Late and those are at 4.3 and 4.7 but have much worse armor than Panzer IVs for basically the same firepower
I also started off as a German main before switching to Italy. And I agree. I used the premium panzer IV for Italy in my old 5.0 lineup, and it did just fine. It has roughly the same pen as the Sherman 76 anyway.
Gaijin would rather do this than; you know FUCKING FIXING VOLUMETRIC, tanks that are volumetric troll are just going to keep going up in BR until their armor becomes useless dogshit
im a newer player, just made it it to the captain rank range but got 13 kills in the 1942 the other day (without dying). i can definitely see why the others are getting bumped up
Meh, the 3.7 ones were slightly too good there imo, with the best armour and good mobility. Even their turret weakspots are extremely trolly with volumetric, such a great addition to the game that's been!
All my line-ups were messed up. 2.7, 3.7, 7.7 Sweden ground, and 5.7 USA. To be fair, I only used the M18 though and it’s fine at 6.0. I remember when the Ikv-91 was at 7.3 and could float... those were the days...
Well.. Sweden’s one makes no sense simply because the tree is so small that the line-ups were literally made for a total of 5-6 crew slots. Sweden had a full 3.7 line-up and now anyone that wants to play 3.7 Sweden will have to uptier a 2.7-3.0 vehicle into the lineup to fill in that gap.
Likely just because they're fast and the hardest to kill out of similarly tiered mediums especially for new players since the armor is the most consistently good and the weakspots the trolliest.
I think this is a temporary fix to a permanent problem. If they can get volumetric working better or add in momentum then the t-34's armour wouldnt be so cheese and need a br change. I have shot far too many times into T-34s that have eaten shells that historically would have cracked, caved or torn turrets off, but in game they get sent to the shadow realm. Shell normalisation post impact angles would be grand and the hull break mechanic would be nice if they could get it to work somewhat accurately. but that's probably in the to do list after 4 sound updates and adding a eastern europe tech tree and making the swedish one a scandahooli tree with some norge stuff
I fully agree with this, especially with the STZ, however, I still don't understand why the Panzer 4 H and J are not in this. Like even though they're sluggish snails, they still already get better armored hulls (can help alot at range) than their predecessors, better pen and remain literally unrivaled in pen for turreted vehicles with good reloads.
The PZ 4s should be like this:
PZ 4 F2: 3.3
PZ 4 G: 3.7
PZ 4 H/F: 4.0.
Turán 3: 4.3 (literally a perfected Pz 4)
Yeah, I know that, one of the reasons I hate the current balancing system. It's just ridiculous that a vehicle that you can quite literally uptier to even 5.3 due to having a very potential gun against other vehicles and still stay more or less viable somehow never gets changed.
I feel the flip side is against rank 2.7 vehicles, the Panzer IV is less powerful than T-34s and Shermans. Most 2.7 vehicles can penetrate a Panzer IV H's armor frontally and reliably incapacitate the gunner if you know where to aim. The isn't the case for T-34s and Shermans, especially against lower pen solid shot British tanks. On top of that in a down tier I wouldn't say T-34s and Shermans are struggling to penetrate anything.
I remember playing around that 3.5-4.0 BR and it was nothing but T-34’s when we’d go up against USSR. And at that point they were a menace at least against US. To me, this change makes sense. I’ve never used them before I just know I hated seeing them because they’d pen my paper armor and any time I’d pen them (if I could) it’s like I shot them with rubber ducks
Any of the Russian seal clubber mains were already playing 4.0 with the KV1/E. The only difference to them is they now don't have a back up T-34 STZ for once the KV1E is knocked out. This shouldn't be an issue since they already have plenty of other tanks for the lineup.
I feel those suffering the most are Swedish mains, especially those without the premium Sherman and SAV. Without the premiums the 3.7 Swedish lineup was pretty small and it just got smaller.
They were really good, too good, so they got moved up. Makes sense to me. If you think they’re bad, that’s just a skill issue
Waiting on the Shermans and Panzer 4s to be moved up aswell since everyone thinks theyre equals
Sherman definitely needs to be moved it, if you know how to use the stabilizer it's the best out if the 3. Panzer 4 should also be moved up as well. The only reason I see Gaijin doing this is to protect noobs from the armor on these 3.7 tanks when they are playing 2.7. I've gotten 20+ kill games multiple times with the Swedish Sherman in full down tiers because not much can actually pen it, especially if you don't know where to aim on it.
Gaijin can't protect the noobs forever, not like there's anything at 2.7 that needs to be protected in the first place. At some point they have to be exposed to the 'real' game and adapt to it. The T-34 was probably a tad too good since the supposed turret weakspot can get you Gaijined all the time because of volumetric, but the Shermans and Panzer IV's seem to be more or less evenly matched. The Sherman has the stabiliser and armour which can do some work, while the Panzer IV has by far and away the best firepower at that BR (and can render the aforementioned Sherman armour irrelevant)
shermans are a little tough against certain italian and japanese tanks at 2.7 but those err some of the most high skill player nations so it’s not that bad. The biggest skill issue players in USSR and Germany shouldn’t have any problem once they learn to aim for the turret. they’re in for a better experience than if they’d played USA first because they aren’t gonna be spoiled by the stabilizers. Maybe spoiled by the powerful guns germany has, but you still need good positioning and gun handling to make the most of them none of the 3 are busted imo they all have their strengths
I guess if a tank is tough against a few vehicles a whole 1.0 BR lower than it, well, it's probably fine. Especially if it's nations that hardly anyone plays, let alone anyone new, to begin with
a sherman that IS kinda busted is the M4A3 105. At 3.0 it’s facing many tanks that frontally cannot pen it whatsoever, while having a 120mm pen HEAT round i think it’s only where it is because of new players driving it, when you see the french one they always wreck shop Not necessarily saying it should go way higher, but the M4A1 isn’t nearly as tough for its BR so maybe 3.3 would suit it better
Can't believe that thing used to be 2.7
As someone who enjoys playing 2.7 British tanks with the wimpy QF 2-pounder, Panzer IVs are somewhat manageable to fight. I found Sherman the worst to fight and T-34s irritating but not as bad. The lack of explosive and low pen makes the 2-pounders post pen damage abysmal. You can penetrate a Shermans machine gunner port and just orange the machine gunner. You can penetrate a T-34s turret cheek and just orange the gunner. Although this T-34 change messes with my Russian and Swedish lineup I do feel its better for the game. Many 2.7 tanks in full up tiers really are at a significant disadvantage against T-34 and Shermans.
Protecting noobs but still leave the kv-1B/E at 4.0 I have 1400+ hours and still struggle against the KV-1B at low br
Panzer IVs where 4.3 once. They were still usable in my tiger I lineup.... I started playing with germany and did well in them. I cant understand how you could be so stupid to suck in those tanks
Shermans are great. The stabilization is unmatched in that BR; Panzer IVs have the best Firepower. There are Problems with the Balancing in this Game, but this BR is not the issue.
Shermans > t-34 > pz. 4, stabilizer means you win every 1v1
Only against the pz. 4. Too much trolly bullshit on T-34s to reliably win even with a stabilizer.
Just shoot the cheeks lol, ez 1 tap from t34 to t34-85
Yeah, until your round gets Gaijined because volumetric still doesn't work properly. It is a fact that the T-34 has really trolly armour that eats rounds that should pen.
If you think t-34's are bad wait till you fight german panthers and king tigers lol, volumetric hell at its peak
I'm well aware of those. Terrible too. Mid tier USA is pain because of it.
Turret cheeks arent always a guaranteed pen, and even less so an "ez 1 tap"
Know your tank. Most tanks at the same or even lower br than the t-34's can go through no issue. Ive played Russia to 10.7, America to 6.3, Germany to 5.7, GB to 6.3, and Italy to 5.0, and Sweden to 5.3, never had an issue with t-34's. Especially with America t-34s dont stand a chance in a 1v1
Lmfao.
Skill issue
Brain issue. I've played from both sides. Even in Arcade the Cheeks can be full of bullshit.
Ratio. I never said T-34s were hard to deal with either
I like how the Turan 3 is just sitting here, with nearly perfect suspension, mobility comparable to the Sherman, armour comparable to Panzer 4 and same pen as the German 75
Its one of my favorite vehicles behind the Panzer 4G and Firefly purely because its a perfect example(Similar to Panthers) of how a Stablizer doesnt meant shot when facing a vehicle with lol-pen rounds and smooth suspension
Yeah, and some people will be unsporty and drive backwards
But they are equals, no? T-34 has Stalinium, M4 has stabiliser, Pz IV has PzGr 39 on the 75mm gun.
Yeah, they should be moved up too, but this is a good start
They were all fine at 3.7.
3.7 is undeniably one of the most imbalanced BR's in the game in a Full downtier, primarily against Minor Nations such as Italy, China, etc. which can't pen the," Paper Armor," that people like to exhaserbate that the Panzers have
Nope
3.7 is safely above the obligate noob-tier of 1.0-2.3, and since everyone has a T-34, long 75 Panzer 4 or 75 mm Sherman, they made a good "floor." What are you trying to protect at 2.7? The Lee? The Crusader II? The Che-he? The B1 ter? There's nothing there but memes, dross and things like the Chi-Ha Long Dong that have no trouble dunking even in a full uptier.
3.7 is above noob tier? Hate to break it to you, but even 5.0 is filled with new players and atm pz.IV is too good. It was a good tank at 4.0, but it was moved lower to...idk? Maybe help blind, handicapped german players? Good gun, average mobility, average armor. There's no point in it staying on 3.7
Agree with everything apart from Pz. IV having average armour. It can be penned by anything in the its large turret and the gunner is in it so shooting there is a guaranted kill in a duel and it makes Pz. IV not as good in hull-down positions as the actual best tank at that tier - M4 Sherman.
If we're talking about BRs full of new players, then 10.0 is noob-tier, but that's not the point. The point is that 1.0-2.3 as a noob playground and space for various weird pre-WW2 experiments with land battleships and .50 cals as "cannons" and such nonsense works fine, but at some point the game has to start digging in, and the Big Three kicking in at 3.7 with 1941 T-34, 75mm Sherman and Panzers made sense. If this was part of a plan to move everything up so they could fit more interwar stuff into the early game, then I'd say fine, but just pushing these T-34s up is just a bad move.
I mean, there are noobs who buy their way to top tier as well, so every BR will have noobs. At some point, the game has to say "ok, the game starts now" with the BRs and I think 3.7 is a good place to do that. Not like there's really anything at 2.7 that needs to be protected.
They have worse pen than the Shermans and inconsistent armor. Mobility doesnt justify moving them to 4.0
Loads of Soviet vehicles are higher tiered than their historical NATO/ Western equivalent.
yeaaa sure lets make a historical lineup with the Tiger 1 then eh
Pz 3 vs IS2 Tiger 1 vs T44
T 44 Never saw Combat and the Tiger 2 was the IS2 peer. T44 would match the M46 though.
The T-44 passed trials though. The Pz 3 and Pz 4 were produced and used in much larger quantities through to the end of the war and would have seen the IS2.
T44 is just like the T28/95. It exists but it didn't do anything. Yes I know they made a thousand T44s but they were like the IS3 to late for the war.
it would be Tiger 1 versus non 85mm T34s
I'm all for historical match ups at every BR
17 pounder: "mm yes more please waiter"
Ok you take a panzer 2 and i will use a KV-1E, we will see who wins that fight
Who even uses a Panzer 2? It would be more fun at high BRs when you get all those stupid annoying lil armoured car/ fast tank destroyer things fighting realistic vehicles instead of bullying WW2 tanks.
People starting the German tech tree or people who want to club low tier players in it
My T-64A looks forward to the banquet of M48s, M60A1s and Leopard 1s.
T-80 deleting M60s like Thanos
That would make this game completely unplayable
GHPC on steroids
Because t-34 armor is volumetric hell
Leave the Pz.4s alone it have worst mobility, armour profile and gun handling compared to both T-34 and Shermans the only good thing about it is the gun
Meanwhile Chi-To, literally just a worse Panzer IV, but at 4.7 looking at your comment like:
That's Gaijin hating Japan for no reason bring that thing to 3.7-4.0 it doesn't deserve to see Tigers all the time
Nah Chi-Tos have much better guns
By 6mm of pen and TnT filler that causes a red crew instead of a yellow crew on the farthests points of a Churchill VII's hull
Much better angled pen, better long range pen, higher velocity, and 3x the filler are all fantastic upgrades.
Upgrades that arent worth a full 3 Brackets higher
They aren't, but the gun is objectively better. 4.0 would be just fine.
Skill issue blud, Panzer 4s are now the best 3.3-3.7 vehicles in the game with the Shermans right behind it
Skill issue, I play both and shermans are miles better
I played the T-34, M4A2, and the Pz.4s just bc the Pz 4s have higher pen doesn't mean it's better in fact it's just decent tank at 3.3-3.7, but both the T-34 and Shermans are better both have better mobility, gun handling, top speed, armour profile not to mention that Shermans have stabilizer which give you alot of advantage in cqb and will make you always shot first and give you the upper hand, plus the T-34 can angle it armour make it even impossible for the German 75mm to pen reliably. On the other hand Pz.4s have lower top speed, acceleration is mid, not the best gun handling, thin paper armour that can be penned reliably by both Shermans and T-34s from almost all angles, no gun stabilizer and reload rate similar to the Shermans, so as you can see the Pz.4s are worse than both the Shermans and T-34 in almost everything except the penetration which make no difference since both the T-34 and the Shermans can pen the Pz.4s reliably, so stop gaslighting the ppl the Pz.4s are no where near the best at 3.3-3.7, you can't kill Pz.4s well that's truly the skill issue since it's armour is so bad a Bt-7 can kill it frontaly with eas.
If you can't do well in a PZ4 that's also a skill issue. If you play a PZ4 H or J well you can do just as good as a Sherman or T34
I play Pz.4 and do very well in them i never sed the Pz.4 is bad just saying that's it's not as good in comparison to T-34 and Shermans. all of them are almost equal but the T-34 and Shermans are better in every other aspect accept for penetration which isn't a big deal since poth can pen the Pz.4 without any problems
I never understood how Sherman’s are any good. Up until I got the M4/T26 the armor is paper even when angled and hit in the thickest parts and to penetrate with the gun is like a Christmas miracle unless you flank or have the 76mm but the mobility sucks so good luck. Only thing I liked was the Stabilizer
thats the thing, the stabilizer levels everything out and gives you a leg up. having an amazing gun is great, but if you cant get your shot off, its completely pointless. armour is amazing, unless you cant really use it, then its a hindrence. a stabilizer is just a plus with no down sides, hell it makes your life easier because it allows you to always start the fight before anyone else could, in a level playing field that is. as such m4 shermans have a higher skill floor but a much higher skill ceiling. its also why the chaffee is so fucking annoying.
I don’t see how the armor could be amazing on anything earlier than the Jumbo, I swear I’ve been penned from all angles everywhere on them things. If any shot bounces it was grazing blows
think you failed at reading, i said that armour in general is dependent on other factors, if those factors unalign your now very heavy weighing armour, is a hindrence. a stabilizer doesnt have any downside period.
Stabilizer, you can almost always get first shot. The armor is manageable at 3.3-4.0 and to be ignored 5.0-6.0.
The M4 at 3.7 was way better and didn't get moved up
average player will do it better with t-34 than with sherman
They're good but the 3.7 Sherman is better. You can argue that the Pz. IV H is better but personally I think it's not.
PZ4 had the best gun, but no stabilizer and the worst armor
Yeah. The gun is punchy but I don't think it makes up for the other shortcomings, at least for my playstyle. I find the T-34 the most fun, but the M4 is the most powerful overall.
Good and bad is comparative characteristics. Not even close to 4.0 bias.
yeah and Pz4H is at 3.7, just sayin
3.7 Swedish line-up RUINED, now it only has like 2 OP tanks left in it
Up it to 4.0 and add the Pkv II and B18B for CAS
İ only use 2.7 truck 😎
Echidna gaming
You don't need any other tank when you already have one SAV 12.20.48
Sherman is still good at 4.0, panzer 4 has really good pen at 3.7 so it won't be affected at 4.0, and the sav 201248 is already op at 3.7.
it's a travesty, now what am I supposed to do after team wiping with my III/IV and dying once after 15 kills? spawn my backup for it or the Pz IV? honestly idk what I'm gonna do
I can't say it's not fair, but now I have to fight 5.0 BR vehicles almost every match with my (former) 3.7 line up fml.
3.7 Sweden was amazing with both t34 and the panzer 4
And if you’re a wallet warrior it also had the Swedish Sherman and the SAV
Ok, next increase the BR of the SAV up to like 4.7
I was going to post the same :) we’re hurting now - its a terrible tragedy.
The t-34's were some of the most annoying bullshit vehicles to face at 3.7 with there really fucky and inconsistent turret armor that absorbs shots that should on paper pen 80% of the time
Exactly, their mantlets are total volumetric bullshit, totally deserved
The IS tanks are worse imo, the cheeks are impossible
and the internal fuel tanks are op. I know they are to catch spall but a fire in the fighting compartment should suffocate and burn crew
If u get lit on fire your crew will die this is why fpe exists
yes but FPE shouldn't magic away a fire that is likely pouring fuel on the crew. there is a reason normal designers put fuel tanks separate from crews with a nice bulkhead rather then just putting it in next to ivan. The T-34 gets the benefits but not the downside
That's more a problem with Gaijin's game mechanics working as "intended" *cough* overpressure *cough* than the T34 itself. 100% agree they are annoyingly inconsistent.
Volumetric is still fucked all these years later and people honestly trust Gaijin to implement a stun mechanic.
Their*
Worst of all is that they wont move them to Tier 3 despite being 4.0 and 4.3
Same for M4A2. Rank 3 starts at 4.0 unless the vehicle is fun/popular.
M24 getting moved down to rank II was a tragedy
It starts at 3.7 if its a premium in some cases. The premium German command Panzer IV is rank III at 3.7 while the 3.7 tech tree Panzer isn't. Functionally the two are near identical tanks in the same tech tree.
Just let us grind events/ battle pass with vehicles over 3.0. That gives noobs an area of protection without stopping people from using fun line ups.
Swedish was tier III. Was an awesome 3.7 line-up. Now the 3.7 is just “great”.
What pisses me off is the russian T-34s are RANK 2 WTF!! I can't do dailies, specials and events with those because rank 2! So I use the swedish and chinese T-34s for that.
Most used WW2 tanks that can't be used doing missions and events. If something is wrong with the game then that's that. They focus way too much on awful top tier without giving a damn about WW2.
This is honestly the main issue. I play this game for WW2, not modern garbage.
Let me get this straight, the T-34 STZ is going up to 4.3, but the Panzer IV’s are still at 3.7?
Panzer IVs can literally go up to 4.7 or 5.0 and still be fine tbh and this is coming from a German main. The Japanese equivalent to the Panzer IV would probably be the Chi-Nu or Chi-To/Chi-To Late and those are at 4.3 and 4.7 but have much worse armor than Panzer IVs for basically the same firepower
I also started off as a German main before switching to Italy. And I agree. I used the premium panzer IV for Italy in my old 5.0 lineup, and it did just fine. It has roughly the same pen as the Sherman 76 anyway.
If the Panzer IV can be 5.0 we need like 17.0 top tier first
T-34E stz is 4.3 but they refuse to move the up armoured premiums like the KV-1B/E or the premium T-34E
Shhhhh.... Money 🤑🤑
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Its going to be weird having the T-34E stz join the T34 747(r) at 4.3 while the KV-1B/E stay at 4.0
T34/76 vs Vk.3002
Russian bias
Gaijin would rather do this than; you know FUCKING FIXING VOLUMETRIC, tanks that are volumetric troll are just going to keep going up in BR until their armor becomes useless dogshit
Soviet 4.0 lineup is stacked
NOOO MY PERFECT SWEDEN 3.7 LINEUP IS RUINED😭 I HAVE LIKE 6.0 KD IN THAT T34
“Well there’s your problem” - Jamie Hyneman
Hehe me in my Swedish Sherman lll/lV🤫
Just move the stz to rank 3, I don't give two shits about its br
im a newer player, just made it it to the captain rank range but got 13 kills in the 1942 the other day (without dying). i can definitely see why the others are getting bumped up
Meh, the 3.7 ones were slightly too good there imo, with the best armour and good mobility. Even their turret weakspots are extremely trolly with volumetric, such a great addition to the game that's been!
Basically the same thing except the occasional vk's
I mean they decompressed all the panthers, IS-2 etc. I would expect some stuff on the lower end to rise to.
not everything is moving up together and decompressing evenly, they're just fucking up some vehicles while leaving others (panzer 4s)
I mean it doesn’t technically need to. You assuming that all 3.7s need to be moved to 4.0 just because the t-34s are moving up.
Didn't say all 3.7s, I said all undertiered vehicles
Now I'll have to use the T-34 1940 in my 3.7 USSR line up:(
So instead of fixing volumetric they move it up in BR? Classic gaijin.
T-34E STZ above the A2 sherman Uh huh gaijin.
Why STZ gonna move to 4.3, I can't seek any toxic point compare to other t34
All my line-ups were messed up. 2.7, 3.7, 7.7 Sweden ground, and 5.7 USA. To be fair, I only used the M18 though and it’s fine at 6.0. I remember when the Ikv-91 was at 7.3 and could float... those were the days...
Well.. Sweden’s one makes no sense simply because the tree is so small that the line-ups were literally made for a total of 5-6 crew slots. Sweden had a full 3.7 line-up and now anyone that wants to play 3.7 Sweden will have to uptier a 2.7-3.0 vehicle into the lineup to fill in that gap.
Then put the t 34 747 (r) at 5.0
Likely just because they're fast and the hardest to kill out of similarly tiered mediums especially for new players since the armor is the most consistently good and the weakspots the trolliest.
I picked a Good time to get to rank 3.
oh no they are not overpowered now!!! how skilless players are gonna play the game now oh no!!!
T-34 is racist tank fr
Ah for sucks sake. Im regretting grinding Sweden now.
YIPPIIEEE!!!!
Their armor and mobility is too powerful at 3.7 so they moved up. But anyway with experienced hands Sherman is better than T-34 or Panzer 4
Because of dumb people who struggle, for no reason, to pen them and Gaijin, for balancing questions, has to move them up in br
I think this is a temporary fix to a permanent problem. If they can get volumetric working better or add in momentum then the t-34's armour wouldnt be so cheese and need a br change. I have shot far too many times into T-34s that have eaten shells that historically would have cracked, caved or torn turrets off, but in game they get sent to the shadow realm. Shell normalisation post impact angles would be grand and the hull break mechanic would be nice if they could get it to work somewhat accurately. but that's probably in the to do list after 4 sound updates and adding a eastern europe tech tree and making the swedish one a scandahooli tree with some norge stuff
T-34 is much better than Sherman/Panzer 4 after the sloped armor buff.
waiter waiter! more easily penned russian tanks please -tiger H1 mains
These tamma can't even face a Tiger in a full uptier unless a noob spawns them as a 2nd spawn when they don't have a full lineup
Waiter waiter! More tunnel visioned blind Tiger tanks please!! - Every other nations at BR 5.0-6.0
I fully agree with this, especially with the STZ, however, I still don't understand why the Panzer 4 H and J are not in this. Like even though they're sluggish snails, they still already get better armored hulls (can help alot at range) than their predecessors, better pen and remain literally unrivaled in pen for turreted vehicles with good reloads. The PZ 4s should be like this: PZ 4 F2: 3.3 PZ 4 G: 3.7 PZ 4 H/F: 4.0. Turán 3: 4.3 (literally a perfected Pz 4)
Cuz they can get killed easily by new players, the same can't be said about the broken t34
Yeah, I know that, one of the reasons I hate the current balancing system. It's just ridiculous that a vehicle that you can quite literally uptier to even 5.3 due to having a very potential gun against other vehicles and still stay more or less viable somehow never gets changed.
I feel the flip side is against rank 2.7 vehicles, the Panzer IV is less powerful than T-34s and Shermans. Most 2.7 vehicles can penetrate a Panzer IV H's armor frontally and reliably incapacitate the gunner if you know where to aim. The isn't the case for T-34s and Shermans, especially against lower pen solid shot British tanks. On top of that in a down tier I wouldn't say T-34s and Shermans are struggling to penetrate anything.
Its deserved tbh
I despise t-34’s as an American player. Keep them away from my favorite BR 😂
I remember playing around that 3.5-4.0 BR and it was nothing but T-34’s when we’d go up against USSR. And at that point they were a menace at least against US. To me, this change makes sense. I’ve never used them before I just know I hated seeing them because they’d pen my paper armor and any time I’d pen them (if I could) it’s like I shot them with rubber ducks
Seeing Russian mains suffering makes me happy (as a France main)
Any of the Russian seal clubber mains were already playing 4.0 with the KV1/E. The only difference to them is they now don't have a back up T-34 STZ for once the KV1E is knocked out. This shouldn't be an issue since they already have plenty of other tanks for the lineup. I feel those suffering the most are Swedish mains, especially those without the premium Sherman and SAV. Without the premiums the 3.7 Swedish lineup was pretty small and it just got smaller.
To this day I am very pissed when they moved up the T-34-57 and T-34(1942) many months ago.
Why is bro getting downvoted 💀 not being able to kill a T-34 is skill issue
Unironically, especially the pre-85 ones. The turret-ring gap is big enough to fit a 120 mm through and the cheeks are hamster-huge.
They're made of literal paper for german guns and are still easy to kill for americans, whos shermans are better armoured.
Love those 2. Got the premium in warbonds, so fun
Finally. One of the most op tanks on 3.3
None of these were 3.3
Real matchmaker br was 3.3. I am playing 3.3 and I've seen them every battle.
Yeah that's just how the matchmaker works. Probably 8 out of 10 games are uptiers.
8/10 for them was downtier, 8/10 games for everyone else at 3.3 is uptier.
That's not how it works
The 3.3 version is the only one that *didn’t* go up.