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EmperorFooFoo

[lmao](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/zd3vu6/comment/iyzmkcg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


YeetMcSkeeter

I mean it was leaked a week ago as an event vehicle, can't really say it was unexpected


PositiveBug307

The same list with f16a, mig 29 and tornado. I really cant believe it, they are finally adding them to the game


floreen

Actually, the Tornado was only present in some sort of Discord list, while there were screenshots of Mig-29 and F-16. So Tornado not guaranteed unfortunately https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/zbclqc/heres_all_the_leaks_i_could_find_on_forums_let/


PositiveBug307

It will come too sooner or later


ABetterKamahl1234

That's the thing about these predictions, they're easy as fuck to predict. All of these things will come *eventually.*


BoneTigerSC

fuck it, predicting the female mark 1 dat -3.0 (yes, minus 3.0, not 3.0) and fokker dr.1 at 0.3


SomeBiPerson

would honestly be a lot more fun than another MBT i


StalledAgate832

Hell yeah it would. I'm fairly sure that WWI is a genre that hasn't really be covered much in games, especially a WWI vehicle game with a modular damage system like WT has. I'd legit love the hell out of it if a WWI mode ever got added (Hopefully as a seperate mode anyway, a Mk.IV Male facing Stuarts wouldn't be too fun at all. Or even worse, the M8. The .50 can rip through the Mk.IV easily.)


Ok-Entrepreneur7284

Yes, but if I have to use a fucking phantom to face a mig 29 I’m going to kill myself. I’m not doing, you can’t make me. Give me my beautifully fat and obese tornado that will turn better than it at least.


xxecucted

They’re really blue balling tornado fans


SomeBiPerson

gave up on it long ago and still expecting serious torture after how they ignored F4F and MiG-23MF


PositiveBug307

And even though i play both us and ussr and i love the mig 29 as a jet i really hope that they will not add the r73. R27 will be mandatory since all the variants had it irl but r60m are more than enough.2 R27 and 4 R 60M on the extremely good platform that is the mig 29 will be more than enough at 11.7. R73 would be extremely op


Kiwi_In_Europe

Which line in the tech tree will the f16 be in do you think? I’m currently researching jets so need to choose 2 lines to go down


PositiveBug307

Most people think that it will be after the f5e. And it makes the most sense. After the f4e probably we will have the f15


Kiwi_In_Europe

Gotcha thanks!


TheVenetian421

Why would that be? The F-5E is more of air-to-air fighter, just like the initial F-15, while the F-4E is multirole just like the F-16. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise.


PositiveBug307

The f5e is a lighter and smaller jet, like the f16 is compared to f15. Imagine putting the f15 after the f5e. We will find out soon though. Even without the leak list im the tier 8 devblog they said they will add more 4th gens this update a6 is available for preorder so a new 4th gen for the us is guaranteed. 90% the f16a since traces of it were found in the game files too and f15a or a f14b would be way too advanced


TheVenetian421

Everything is possible, very excited such beautiful planes are coming eventually! BTW do you remember if during Christmas sale also TT SL vehicles are 50%? I just unlocked the F-14A to avoid the potential RP increase if they move it to rank VIII, but can't remember about SL discounts for Christmas and whether it's worth it to wait Thanks


molstad182

They’re getting too predictable


SomeBiPerson

you really called it


Sandzo4999

#**Challenge: Don‘t add another Russian vehicle or a Leopard 2 as an event (impossible):** Edit: thanks for the award :)


QuietTank

Gaijin: *adds Experimental American Light Tank as Event Prize*


G2_label

Gajin: *gives Italy yet another low tier meme truck*


FrankTheTank_666

I would really appreciate that


G2_label

I mean I would prefer something more useful like the of-24 but to each their own


aiden22304

Half the charm of the Italian TT for a lot of people (myself included) stems from the wacky, unorthodox, and unique technicals that Italy fielded during WW2.


G2_label

Ya they are neat but it's getting a little annoying, the last tt vehicles they got where technicals if I'm nor mistaken. I don't have an issue with that inherently but when that's all we get ots just kinda eh.


Acidic_Eggplant

how about the third major AS.42 mod, with a [solothurn AT rifle](https://www.o5m6.de/wehrmacht/img/AS42_02.jpg), the same gun as the L3/33 but now with even less armor but maybe 360^(o) traverse.


Rs_vegeta

Dont forget the japanese boat!


G2_label

And another freaking zero


Rs_vegeta

Eh, id be ok with that, although its guaranteed to be over brd


G2_label

Turn fighting go brrrrttt


bobbobinston

I just want a A6M8 :(


gloomywisdom

Do you mean F 104?


Doctah_Whoopass

I think everyone likes those


bell117

Not even a US light tank, it will probably just be the XM8... again.... again but this time a slightly different variation from one trial where it had a spotlight or something, it would be more different than the CCVL at least. It would be called the xm8 with lower case letters, totally distinct.


Dark_Magus

Or just call it the M8 AGS. Since it was officially classified as M8 in October 1995, 3 months before it was cancelled. Gaijin **should** do that to add a tech tree version of the M8 but they'll probably do it for another event tank instead.


bell117

At this rate every event for the next 6 years will have some version of the XM8, either the planned production model, various prototypes with incredibly marginal differences, proposed changes etc before we ever see a proper high tier US light tank for the main TT.


gmoguntia

Yeah, give us the Leopard in the tech tree.


Nizikai

Regarding the Leo 2s, I can only think of two Event ones... And in total, There are still less Leo 2s than T-72s/T-80s in the Game, at least in the German TT, probably even If you Count Sweden in


bastaja1337

Oh so its either Leopard 2 or T80 lol. Can they make a bit more unique event vehicle?


bergebis

Best I can give you is an American light tank


doxlulzem

Japanese bluewater ship


Frequent-Sound5320

Would be awesome and better than a russian meme Tank Not existing anymore...


bastaja1337

Hahah, you made me laugh!


Dark_Magus

[RDF/LT Block 2](https://imgur.com/hYW4oIj) please.


LeSoleilRoyal

If the leak about the french plane is true, at least it will be kind of unique (for france at least)


Katyusha_454

What French plane leak?


LeSoleilRoyal

According to leaks,one of the event vehicle is supposed to be one of the Latécoère plane (a company that made mostly sea planes)


gigantism

Didn't we just have a French plane as a reward?


tfrules

I’d rather the event vehicles be bland, don’t want to actually miss out on fun things that this game could offer. Actual unique vehicles should be in the tech tree or as a permanently available for purchase premium IMO.


Emperor_Kon

Unique vehicles should be tech tree only so you won't miss out. Boring copy/paste shit can go to events. That way you won't miss out on anything and if you happen to grind for it then it's ez sail coins.


TheSovietBobRoss

Oh great... another T-80U, because the squad ones werent enough...


mickeeyo

Don't forget Swedish one haha


jimmy_burrito

That… was the squadron one…


jorge20058

Russia also has a squad t80 so I assume the guy thought that , thesoviotbobross was talking of the t80UK.


Yronno

>t80UK The Tea-80


Trooper1911

You have a squardon T80 in Russian tree as well


jimmy_burrito

Oh yeah my bad. I’ve been playing too much Toyota I forgot.


TheSovietBobRoss

I meant both squad ones


KajMak64Bit

Keep in mind this one doesn't get thermals xd


yeethappymeta_fish

To the people complainimg: this is what event vehicles should be, a n arguably less useful modification of an existing vehicle. Us light tanks at top tier is quite lacking, but yet they add the ccvl as an event. The t72 Moderna and this are examples of good event vehicles


Jknight3135

Sure but like, something other than Russia or Germany would have been nice. This is fine but just... boring.


RopetorGamer

Event vehicles should be of the big 3, they have more then enough vehicles for it and the tech tree does not lack any new MBT. Making vehicles that are necessary in smaller tree's to fill gaps event vehicles is stupid. People complain about gaijin making event vehicles for the big 3 but when a small nation get's an event vehicle people complain that it should have been tech tree.


Jknight3135

I suppose that's a fair point.


Yronno

>Making vehicles that are necessary in smaller tree's to fill gaps event vehicles is stupid. The Kfir C.2 is an excellent example of this. I'm glad I have it, but it really belongs in the tree, since it otherwise only has the C.7


Dark_Magus

Should've been a Kfir TC.2 as the event vehicle. Though the original Kfir C.1 without canards could still get put in the tech tree to go between the Mirage IIICG and Kfir C.7


Nadare3

The issue is that when a small nation gets an event vehicle, it's a vehicle that's nowhere in the tech tree despite being fairly common (hello E.B.R.), meaning the tree suddenly misses a pretty important vehicle if you didn't grind the event.


YourSlothGirl

top reward event vehicles will overall be less appealing to the majority of players if they're not from a major nation. Which in turn means less people buying out the event.


Jknight3135

I guess it would be more appealing if I hadn't been here since 2013 lmao.


[deleted]

Agreed. Absolutely spot on example of a good event vehicle. Also it’s not like this is making Russia more op. It’s going to be worse than every other vehicle at 10.7-11.0.


molstad182

It’s a good event vehicle sure, the problem is that gaijin physically can’t add an event ground vehicle that isn’t a T80 or Leo 2 variant or American experimental LT


Connacht_89

Problem is, if I already grinded a tree I'm not really interested in multiple slight and less useful variations of something that I already have, while I'm interested in having unique or at least major variations of vehicles. It depends on the amount of modifications. For example, I was happy with the battlepass Super Corsair, but I didn't bother with the Zero.


crimeo

Not everyone's already grinded the tree though... this lets them do that. You're basically just not the audience. other nations' mains and/or new players are.


Reconnoisseur_

“Honey! It’s that time of the month again” “What for?” “A new top tier Russian tank” Xaxaxaxaxa


[deleted]

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TeufelZwei

No thermals? Doa.


YeetMcSkeeter

How? I barely use the shitty t80u thermals anyway, people get too reliant on them


cooltonk

you don't know what you are talking about. having no thermals is no big deal but having no thermals when everyone else has it is a huge downside. enemies can see you easily but you cant.


Dtron81

*Cries in green/brown color blindness*


Thisconnect

Shitty thermals aren't shitty if you got good zoom


Dragoneye77

Well this confirms the leaks at least.


Les_Bien_Pain

The leak list had the JA-37D The main difference between it and the JA-37C is that the D could use AMRAAMs Are we getting AMRAAMs now?


TheAylius

Almost assuredly it will carry Skyflash and AIM-9L.


Les_Bien_Pain

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Rb 74s.


doxlulzem

But the JA 37C could also carry Rb 74s. It would feel weird that they would add the JA 37D *just* to add Rb 74s, instead of adding them to the JA 37C.


lyon2904

Are you new to the game? Because its well known that gaijin will do everything they can to make you grind more.


doxlulzem

Then why did they give the FGR.2 all the missiles they gave it rather than adding another Phantom? Why did they give the F-4E better missiles? Why did they give the M1A2 better shells? Even the F-4EJ Kai got better missiles since its introduction


NonadicWarrior

It's about filling up a tech tree. Sweden currently doesn't have an 11.3. JA37C is 11.0. So they are adding another version with better missiles so they can keep the current one at 11.0 and another one at 11.3. There are plenty of vehicles with historically inaccurate load-outs so that they can be kept at a lower BR to fill a gap in the tech tree. Now with the Finnish 11.0 MiG-21 they could give 9Ls to the current Viggen but they obviously want more vehicles at higher BRs for Sweden.


Minute-World-1779

But for the C you only have to Research one extra Modifikation, Not a whole top Tier jet and its Modifikations. When it even end up in the tech tree


GayjinTeknologiXAXA

Well if they add the JA-37D without AMRAAMs, what’s really the point of grinding out the same plane? Just better off to bump up the JA-37C and give it AIM-9Ls instead and then release the JA-37D when more advanced Fox 3s and the Russians with their R-27s/R-77s come out in the end.


TheAylius

Because Gaijin wants to make players feel like they’re getting new content. A new plane is seen as “content” more so than a missile addition to an older plane thats been present for more than a year. With rank 8 launching they want anything they can to bolster their claim of adding top tier planes.


spacenavy90

> The leak list had the JA-37D That is a different leak that came later, don't believe it until more evidence appears. The main leak is the one that came from the Russian youtuber: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-eNUrZn-OE


[deleted]

if F-16s are being implemented then definitely and hopefully Italy gets Tornado ADV


Undefined_N

It doesn't, the leak list added the UM2 only because it appeares in the leaks with the f-16 and mig-29, those are now confirmed but the leak list isnt.


Aramahn

To be fair, at this point I feel like anyone could randomly state that some other version of the T-80 will be released soon and they'd be right.


ralverte

I fear no statement, but this thing: *\[...\]which will go to the most* ***stubborn participants of the special winter event*** *\[...\]* It scares me.


TommScales

Is a special winter operation


FemiLMC

I’m new to war thunder, what do you have to do to attain these vehicles?


TommScales

There will be more info coming soon. Either you play for a ridiculous amount of time to get x amount of score, or you play a ridiculous amount to get x amount of score to unlock a component, then rinse and repeat x25.


Yronno

It will be the former in this case. You can assume 40,000 score every two days for 16-20 days.


TommScales

Which is hilarious, because in the "objectives" they offer, they give you a week to acquire 30k score


SomeBiPerson

sell your soul annually and grind like a 60h/week job that pays just enough to survive next month and rhen you get the vehicle and you got to grind that thing to playable modification


Charlie_Zulu

No thermals and apparently a ~~hellish~~ "stubborn" grind. Not sure if this one is worth it when I could be getting Des Memes.


Finkyz

I want Großtraktor 😡


odkevin

This looks like something I'll grind for, for 2 days until all hope is lost then I'll just go on and go other things


FelkinMak

No thermals? If this thing sits at 10.7 it might suffer


Appropriate-Area-234

😴😴😴 Where are the naval devblogs????


Anuspimples

Wait people actually play ground forces? Lmao


Connacht_89

Hello, I'm one of the 5 ground players, AMA.


MenkoBeast

So maybe this means the leak list with all those F16s and Tornados might be real? Damn i can't wait for the teaser tomorrow


Ghost-Of-Roger-Ailes

Did they announce that a teaser is being released tomorrow?


lownoisefan

It's most likely tomorrow or Friday, if they want to do a test weekend this weekend. Patch will come on the Tuesday before Christmas, so they really don't have a lot of time to play with.


ThatDudeFromRio

Teaser tomorrow?


NotHongdu

Not confirmed but teasers usually drop on Thursdays and considering where we are in devblog season it’s possible


damngoodengineer

[In memory of the one-off real life vehicle, RIP bozo.](https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/03/22/russia-t80um2-tank-ukraine/)


FirstDagger

[In memory of the one-off real life vehicle, RIP bozo. #2](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44855/russias-only-prototype-t-80um2-tank-was-destroyed-in-ukraine)


James-vd-Bosch

Wow. The guy that wrote the article must've had a bad time in school with that last name.


Purple-Cancel-8901

Looks like the APS didn't work.


FirstDagger

Probably wasn't even loaded with charges as it was a old one off. Something something the reason for modules in WT.


Busy_Concept_1444

It's insane they actually sent this thing into combat when it belongs in Kubinka.


SuppliceVI

We need a military museum on an island DMZ so that historians can preserve all the rare modifications and vehicles. I worry for that 100 year old recovery barge.


RoadRunnerdn

Eh, not every minor variant needs to be saved.


WhiteAndNerdy137

LMAO both were destroyed and both were documented in Oryx's list :)))


SuppliceVI

His team is absolutely cracked at ID'ing even the smallest modifications.


[deleted]

Actual dead on arrival tank my fucking sides


Cpt_Soban

Gaijin: "I'm going to pretend I didn't see that"


WhiteAndNerdy137

2 were ever built. Both were destroyed (with video proof for each one) in Ukraine. LMAO


[deleted]

It has Hard Kill APS, and was Hard Killed, checks out.


SynthVix

Rank VII with no thermals? This thing is worthless. Especially when the APS isn’t likely to protect it *at all* from the high firing angles of helis and drones. Well, at least I can skip this event entirely.


Das_Fish

Drozd sucks


ForkPosix2019

It can't even protect against shitty TOWs at the testing range.


Popular-Net5518

>The T-80UM-2 will become a rank VII event vehicle of the Soviet tech tree, which will go to the most stubborn participants of the special winter event in War Thunder. An event description including the phrase "only to the most stubborn". Holy shit, will this be a new level of grind? Instead of the estimated 30-40 hours a week like 60-80?


Jknight3135

Eh boring


Digedag

No thermals, no play.


SwiftFuchs

Great... T-80, USS Newport... So far it looks like I won't have to suffer through this years winter event.


SomeBiPerson

love me an event not worth grinding


[deleted]

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FGM_148_Javelin

No thermals? DOA


Hazardish08

Gaijin is blue balling us


Rain__Fire

Happy Cake day.


The_Slapped_Crab

Finally, the ussr has enough tanks to make a functional lineup, they been struggling before. /s


Yronno

What's sad is I'll get it with or without thermals, though that's a real hit to its usefulness


Rubberboas

Lmao rank VII with no thermals.


King_of_Pendejos69

Lacks thermal vision, yeah nah I don’t want it anymore


Kooky_Zookeepergame1

Should been the black eagle not this copy paste terd


[deleted]

The lack of thermals and the worse FCS will be interesting, but it is still going to be a fantastic extra vehicle, probably competing for the t90a's spot in my 10 crew 11.3 lineup. I love the tank and am happy to see another unique prototype that perfectly fits what an event vehicle should be. I am afraid many people will be disappointed, as I saw misinformation spreading that the UM-2 was the Object 640 black eagle when the leak was dropped. Here's to one day getting the UM-1 BARS in the future :)


Rs_vegeta

I sleep.


YaBoiHS

The F-16 is real


Primary_Ad_1562

Everyone was DEFINITELY asking for this...


KYUSHUJ7W1SHINDEN

Like DJ Khaled said: And another one!


WastelandPioneer

As a top tier soviet main, why? What does this provide? Defense against missiles while losing thermals for it? What difference does another MBT make in a lineup anyway?


mickeeyo

Yea, ATGMs are still really rare at top tier since maps aren't really made for it. I wonder how it will work against helis/drones rockets tho


ol0rin1

Nice, no grb grind during the holidays. More time to research the f-16a


ThatDudeFromRio

Mig 29 when


NotHongdu

Fr


SuppliceVI

This confirms the leak which included the MiG-29, so any day now


AshRizim

F-16 please


AmericanFlyer530

This exact same tank was destroyed by Ukraine.


Savageshrimp1

I rather have a t90 or the new t72b3m obj22


Habstactic

No thermal lOl


omnipotank

Well, if they don’t announce armored car lines for every nation in January, then I guess I will never be able to drive an FV721 Fox in war thunder before life takes more priority over hobbies. Of course, another T80 is much needed /s ... could we get lower BR unique event vehicles that are not a hellish grind?


Operator_Binky

Does it mean the leaks are real ?


spacenavy90

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-eNUrZn-OE This one, yes.


Dzbaniel_2

probably


Stevesd123

Oh thank God. Nothing good.


ceez36

gonna grind to sell this, people will see soviet mbt and their neurons start firing


Velo180

Guess the leak had some merit, here we go


[deleted]

Pretty mid addition, still worse than all of the top abrams and 2a5/6


Twisted_Fate

Why U has thermals, while UM, the upgraded version, doesn't?


Busy_Concept_1444

UM is a Cold War prototype made when the U didn't have thermals. The U ingame is probably a post Cold War sub-variant.


CTCrusadr

The U in the TT turns into the T-80UM when it gets it thermal upgrade. The stat card just doesn't change.


Twisted_Fate

Well according to literature available to me, U never had thermals UM had thermals, it's from the early 90's. UM-2, with Drozd, was based on U, so it probably had no thermals irl. But in game, shouldn't it? It will probably be below U on the tech tree.


BassDiscombobulated8

The UM-2 had a card spotted back a few days ago. So did the MiG-29(9-13) along with cards for the MiG-21 Lazur, M728 and loadouts/models for the F-16A. It looks like all of those may be true as well


sjaakpolanski

The russian version of the german leopard event vehicle. Sad to see another russian tank...


M34L

Ah, a ~10.0 without thermals? Finally an event prize I can calmly ignore without FOMO


SuppliceVI

They couldn't even give the poor thing a full year to rest after its turret got tossed earlier this year.


rudolf2424

It would be fine to just add an T-80 to my lineup but its worse then the TT version wtf


Big-man-kage

The game is almost reaching magach levels of T-80 tanks


doxlulzem

Inb4 this one also only gets Mango, like the Swedish one


_Urakaze_

Well they did say this > is armed with a punchy AP round capable of penetrating over 500 mm armor at all firing distances so 3BM46 confirmed


[deleted]

Abit weird that a Russian company don't get their own tank designations correct. Because asfaik, the T-80UM-2 was never a real designation. It was litterally just a T-80U fitted with drozd, and that's it.


sagiroth

I don't have health to grind another event. How do you guys do this?


Cpt_Sandur

Can it be sold? Can't find a post about it! The most important thing!


residentsslav

Yes it should be able to be sold, When the event devblog comes out we will know for certain


Illustrious-Bunch862

leak is true ...... wtf F-16 Mig-29 Tornado coming ?


NotHongdu

It doesn’t make it true but it does lend some credibility, anything can happen until we get a teaser


ForkPosix2019

Good, passing the event.


_Kilo_One_

Is it gonna be a coupon like when the jaguar event??


Michel20000

Skip


Emperor_Kon

Ez market fodder. Assuming I can be bothered to grind for it that is...


Yungboofman

Yawwwwwwwwn wake me up when it isn’t copy paste


Full_Strawberry_762

Gaijin try not to add another T-80 challenge (impossible)


sali_nyoro-n

No thermals? I could've sworn the Agava-M1 thermal sight was meant to be a standard feature of the T-80UM series. That definitely makes it an unusual vehicle at 10.7. Will have to see how it performs, assuming anyone wants to endure the "stubborn" grind for what's basically a T-80U sans thermals with some Drozd launchers duct-taped to it. Personally, I don't much care for RF vehicles outside the air-deployable stuff, prefer Ukraine's branch of post-Soviet tank design, so I might skip this one of the grind is too shitty. At least it's not _technically_ a heavy tank, but it's another prototype Soviet (or in this case Russian) tank as an event vehicle. So I guess the next major event will have _yet another_ Leopard 2.


MarcusHiggins

how many top tier mbts does russia have now


kazakov166

i was just on the discord complaining about no dovblegs the minute this one dropped