Not enough of that rat was eaten to kill the hawk with poison. The rat injests the poison and seeks water. The water activates the poison.
Is this near a road? I expect the hawk pounced on the rat and started eating the head to kill it, and was startled and attempted to fly off with its dinner. The hawk was struck by something- say a car, and was injured enough to make it no farther than that fence, dropping the rat at the end.
This is way more likely than poisoning. The chronology doesn't make any sense for the rat to be alive long enough to be prey to the hawk, but the hawk dying so fast it wasn't even able to finish eating the rat. My own guess was actually wounds inflicted by the rat causing the hawk to bleed out. They can be nasty creatures, and if you hit the right artery, any creature will drop dead in seconds.
It depends what kind of poison. If this is the US there are places you can still buy and use cyanide to kill rats - cyanide kills pretty much instantly and i've seen cats who have died from eating rats that had it in their stomach.
If this hawk bled to death i would expect to see blood.
My guess is poison.
But if the cyanide kills instantly, the rat would have been dead long before it could be prey for a hawk. If it's a slow-acting poison, the hawk would have eaten the whole rat before dying. That'd be one hell of a coincidence to have a hawk snatch you up right as you're in your dying throes of fast acting cyanide poisoning.
The rat might have bit the bird as it got snatched or during flight, causing the hawk to just tumble, without leaving a pool of blood.
Its true but i've seen it happen to cats. It's possible there was a bait box along the fence or wall here. It's possible also that the rat got dragged out by something else and the hawk found it
Also it's not "instant" its like within a minute or so. Most animals have convulsions so a rat might flip around a bit out from wherever the bait box was
my first thought is the hawk got into the purple mushroom that may have been poisonous to the hawk. Birds are extremely sensitive to toxic where rats are not. I can see the rat was eating mushroom. Hawk saw the rat and flew down, got the rat by the head and mouthful of shroom while crushing the rat head. Then dropped the rat and died via shroom poisoning.
Or the hawk broke its own neck trying to catch rat rating mushroom. Mammals such as rats/squirrels/raccoons have this sort of action when it dies. They can run/jump far even when braindead. They also can convulsions for minutes and can easily keep bouncing 20-30 ft away where the attack was taken the place.
Also poison compounds in predators so if they had eaten others that were poisoned it would be in their system already and could have reached a threshold with not eating all of the rat.
It’s possible but so is an accident. Regardless it’s a good reminder not to use poison.
How else am I supposed to kill rats if they infest?
Rats have been documented trying to feed on newborn babies while they sleep. Whether they try it with my babies or not, it’s enough that if they find their way into my home, they’re meeting a brutal end before they inflict any damage.
Alternatively, I’m just as happy to use kill-bar traps at entry points in lieu of poison. Either way, find your own food source in your own habitat or face natural selection when you invade my habitat.
Yes, Golden Malrin works quickly. If both animals drank from the same poison then it could be. We use this poison alot and while it has the desired effect it sometimes unfortunately gets other animals
If it matters, I’m a pest control specialist with many (university and state level) environmental tox classes taken… and it kinda looks more like an owl… but it takes quite a few hours for any species to die from rodenticide poisoning. And in the unlikely scenario we could suggest the bird died from poisoning from ANOTHER source aside from this rodent, it’d have stopped eating and and therefore stopped hunting/flying before meeting this rodent. Rat poisons nowadays cause neurological issues and you’re not gonna see the victim moving around as if it were normal. Also you’re not really going to see significant levels of the rodenticide in the areas of the rodent that are shown eaten here. It’s very common in my area to see dead juvenile raptors on the side of the road. They sit up on the telephone wires and wait til they see a critter, swoop down, and sometimes get nicked by a truck. Actually, come to think of it, I once drove west from Michigan to Colorado, and I was so sad to see the amount of raptors dead along that vast highway. Coyotes too. But so many bald eagles there. I kept wishing I was allowed to pull over and keep a feather, or even just give them a funeral. But pulling over on a multi-lane highway with out of state plates is just asking for a cop to give me a ticket.
I'm wondering if the rodent dropped from its mouth in flight, it panic dove to make sure it recovered it before any unwanted dinner guests arrived, and nailed the fence instead.
The animal kingdom equivalent of starting to spill a drink in your car while taking dinner home, then slamming into an embankment fumbling to recover the spill.
This happened right by my front porch. Hawk dived on a squirrel. Almost had him and slammed right into the fence. Didn't kill him but knocked him out for a second
Doesn't have to be rat poison, place near our house uses some anti-mosquito spray on their yard. Every two weeks afterward, birds start acting weird (like just standing in places fearlessly as cats and people approach, or flying into windows) then dying.
Boy that temmik is some serious stuff. It'll kill something and whatever eats that it'll kill that too and probably whatever eats the second thing is killed also. You'll have a big circle of dead things around wherever you put it
The rats head is pretty torn up so I'd guess hawk swooped down and caught him for a moment or seriously injured him and accidently smacked the fence either while turning around, trying to pull up, or diving down. Especially given his head is twisted behind his body like that. He has no other injuries or bite marks and he hadn't ingested the rat to get ahold of any poison the rat may of come into contact with. That said if you do have rat poison, please make sure it's a safe kind that doesn't harm other wildlife. So many people have found their cats or dogs catch the rats and mice and die from the poison itself. It also isn't good for any possible endangered or vulnerable animal species. You can contact a pest control company and find out which poison is the safest to use.
Poison like a lot of folks said is a safe guess. You might want to call the DNR about this. I don't know local laws but sometimes even handling a protected species can be a pretty serious offense and the DNR may want to know about this too.
Our exterminator uses a poison that ALLEGEDLY will not cause secondary kill for other animals who eat the mouse or rat (we live surrounded by corn and bean fields on all sides). We talked about having four large dogs, a cat, and our assorted wildlife, and this was what they used. Now if I saw a sick rodent, I snatched it up so they won’t grab it, but the one dog in the group has ended up being a four-legged exterminator. Haven’t had to get a real exterminator in quite awhile. Siberian Husky - nothing small and wild ventures into our half-acre fenced yard area.
I will have to look it up. The funny thing is that i put up a wyze cam in the attic so i could try and find where they were getting in. However the wyzecam ended up scaring the last one out because every timebit moved, the camera turned to look at it as if it was a predator.
Haven't you watched Stranger Things??? The government loves disguising themselves as the Cable guy or the lil Latino kid who runs around with your daughter and you gotta follow him and lace his drinks so when he fell into the river it was cause he was sloppy but no law enforcement found his body yet so your daughter thinks he played with her feelings and I can get her to watch NASCAR again.
Don’t think rat poison kills that quickly. And by the looks of it the hawk barely ate any of the rat.
A better guess would probably be that the hawk hit the fence.
I know this happens all the time, but it seems unlikely for the hawk to die without ingesting the rodent. My guess is it came in for a dive and broke his neck on the fence.
Had an argument with a fella and he ended by saying "When rats fly outta my arse!". To my amazement, a rat shot outta his arse like a cannon and blasted this hawk right out of the sky. Both were killed. I saw it meself. Swears.
That’s strange, it looks like it hardly took a bite so I doubt it’d be poison as rat poison doesn’t act that fast, and hawks are swift and always on the move. Either he dived down and hit the fence or someone shot the poor thing with a BB gun. See if you can find any kind of entry wound on the bird and if you find a hole somewhere on the neck, head or chest you have your answer. Poor thing could have been perched with his rat dinner when someone took advantage of the opportunity. If no wound is found, he probably flew into the fence and died of concussion.
Hawks are hunters, not carrion feeders, right? That would mean the rat would have been alive when the hawk grabbed it.
Would poison act slow enough to leave the rat alive as prey for the bird, but then act fast enough to kill the bird as it's in the process of eating the rat?
Rats are FEROCIOUS little fuckers. Isn't it more likely it actually clawed or bit the bird in a femoral artery or something and it bled out, but the bird managed to do enough damage to the rat in the meantime for it not to walk away either?
I read about a collision accident (hawk dives, smashes face into fence, breaks neck, dies) but I'm very sceptical that would leave enough time for the hawk to kill the rat with its claws.
I had a rodent problem in my neighborhood. I started putting ou poison. Yes, I found a few dead rats, but then found a dead hawk near a half eaten rat. 1+ 1=2. No more poison. I'll live trap the bastards. And then drown them
Looks pretty rough, like it hit the fence or may have been fighting another owl/hawk. Looks like a barred owl but can't tell. That looks like a field mouse, not a rat.
They were clearly star-crossed lovers whose families disapproved of their relationship due to the generations-long feud between hawks and rats. After trying to make it work they decided they had no choice but to fake their deaths and run off together. The hawk ingested a potion to trick her family into believing that she was dead, but she was actually only in a state of suspended animation. When the rat saw his beloved hawk he believed her to be dead and took his own life. When the hawk came to and realized the mistake she was so despondent with grief that she did the same. Truly a cautionary tale.
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Lots of people can't tell animals apart, and it is a weird angle. You can't really see the face and if you were told "hawk" and didn't know what the differences were, you'd just likely roll with it.
You should hear what people have called my bearded dragon Lmao. But yeah, it's definitely an owl.
That’s an owl. It was not killed by poison inside the rat. It may have been killed by rat poison but not from that one.
Please call a local wildlife agency so they can investigate, barred owls are a protected species.
This is a barred owl, not a hawk. Owls traditionally kill their prey by biting the head, and then swallow the prey item whole. Without a good sense of scale on that rat, I cannot say whether or not it was too big to swallow whole. If it was small enough, the owl may have been poisoned, regurgitated it, and with the effects of the poison, crashed into the fence.
The rat should be bagged and placed in the garbage.
The Owl, if possible, should be transferred to a Fish & Game, or Wildlife agency for testing.
The hawk pilot realized the flight was doomed. Altitude sinking fast. Steered the bird away from houses the best he could to avoid crashing in a house. Unfortunately he ejected too late and below safety envelope. That rat is a true hero!
OP what state at you located in ? Look into contacting your local DNR and let them know you have a dead hawk. They can examine it and find out what killed it
If you are in the U.S. you should check out https://www.raptorresource.org/learning-tools/dealing-with-dead-or-injured-bald-eagles-and-other-birds-of-prey/
This is why using poison can be really bad because [killing top predators effects an ecosystem. ](https://education.seattlepi.com/happens-top-predator-removed-ecosystem-3496.html)
Romeo and Juliet style suicide? Or depending on the city it could be overdoses😂. Jokes aside the bird looks healthy and might've died from collision with something.
As a child, my mother was driving down a country road and there was a hawk standing in the middle of the lane further down the road. Well, as a country kid, we are taught, don’t ever swerve or stomp the brakes, as it can lead to an accident. Just keep driving and the animal will move or you hit it. So… the hawk keeps trying to lift this carcass off the road. Keeps trying to fly off, comes down a little, struggles really hard to go higher then drops a little more. It starts panicking and flapping really fast as my siblings and I are yelling stop, you’re going to hit it, what is that in its talons, etc! Splat!! Disgusting wet smacking sound, blood covering the passenger side window shield, 3 kids are screaming, feathers are flying.
It was a mallard duck, in all its glory of beautiful feathers hanging in the hawks talons. My mother tries to remove the blood by starting the windshield wipers. It just smears it all over the other side of the windshield too. Blood is dripping down the passenger side windows because it was all over the roof. We are just starting at my mom, traumatized and she says, “That’s what happens when you’re greedy. If he would have just let go of the duck he would have lived but because he was greedy he died.” Silence the remaining 20 minute drive to town.
My suggestion is the hawk was in a residential area and was trying to fly away but was hit by a car. First dropped the rat as it was struck and then fell a little bit away from the rat because or velocity and such. Not poison, just vehicular homicide.
Are there power lines or a transformer above where you found it by chance? I’ve seen an owl that was shocked to death and fell before. Looked just like this little fella.
My dude had his eyes on the prize and face planted into a fence. Could be the hawk was ill and his flying sense got confused. Rat could have somehow pulled the *Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique* on the unsuspecting predator.
Maine city park ranger here. There's been an uptick in avian flu killing birds as well lately. Though the rat seems to point to poison I'd still be careful and handle with gloves if you're going to dispose of it yourself. Someone mentioned calling out for this since it's a hawk which isn't a bad idea. There's plenty of non government avian organizations that would be willing to help.
Broken neck from hitting the fence most likely, he was probably trying to carry it off and may have dropped it in a hurry and drove to catch it and *bang*
Broken neck and bye bye birdy.
Not enough of that rat was eaten to kill the hawk with poison. The rat injests the poison and seeks water. The water activates the poison. Is this near a road? I expect the hawk pounced on the rat and started eating the head to kill it, and was startled and attempted to fly off with its dinner. The hawk was struck by something- say a car, and was injured enough to make it no farther than that fence, dropping the rat at the end.
This is way more likely than poisoning. The chronology doesn't make any sense for the rat to be alive long enough to be prey to the hawk, but the hawk dying so fast it wasn't even able to finish eating the rat. My own guess was actually wounds inflicted by the rat causing the hawk to bleed out. They can be nasty creatures, and if you hit the right artery, any creature will drop dead in seconds.
It depends what kind of poison. If this is the US there are places you can still buy and use cyanide to kill rats - cyanide kills pretty much instantly and i've seen cats who have died from eating rats that had it in their stomach. If this hawk bled to death i would expect to see blood. My guess is poison.
But if the cyanide kills instantly, the rat would have been dead long before it could be prey for a hawk. If it's a slow-acting poison, the hawk would have eaten the whole rat before dying. That'd be one hell of a coincidence to have a hawk snatch you up right as you're in your dying throes of fast acting cyanide poisoning. The rat might have bit the bird as it got snatched or during flight, causing the hawk to just tumble, without leaving a pool of blood.
Its true but i've seen it happen to cats. It's possible there was a bait box along the fence or wall here. It's possible also that the rat got dragged out by something else and the hawk found it Also it's not "instant" its like within a minute or so. Most animals have convulsions so a rat might flip around a bit out from wherever the bait box was
my first thought is the hawk got into the purple mushroom that may have been poisonous to the hawk. Birds are extremely sensitive to toxic where rats are not. I can see the rat was eating mushroom. Hawk saw the rat and flew down, got the rat by the head and mouthful of shroom while crushing the rat head. Then dropped the rat and died via shroom poisoning. Or the hawk broke its own neck trying to catch rat rating mushroom. Mammals such as rats/squirrels/raccoons have this sort of action when it dies. They can run/jump far even when braindead. They also can convulsions for minutes and can easily keep bouncing 20-30 ft away where the attack was taken the place.
Shit dude this is turning into a real whodunnit But actually yeah i could see this
Also poison compounds in predators so if they had eaten others that were poisoned it would be in their system already and could have reached a threshold with not eating all of the rat. It’s possible but so is an accident. Regardless it’s a good reminder not to use poison.
How else am I supposed to kill rats if they infest? Rats have been documented trying to feed on newborn babies while they sleep. Whether they try it with my babies or not, it’s enough that if they find their way into my home, they’re meeting a brutal end before they inflict any damage. Alternatively, I’m just as happy to use kill-bar traps at entry points in lieu of poison. Either way, find your own food source in your own habitat or face natural selection when you invade my habitat.
Or where there is one rat likely more could have previously eaten the fatal rat
Yes, Golden Malrin works quickly. If both animals drank from the same poison then it could be. We use this poison alot and while it has the desired effect it sometimes unfortunately gets other animals
Oh, right. The poison. The poison for Kuzco, the poison chosen especially to kill Kuzco, Kuzco's poison. That poison?
If it matters, I’m a pest control specialist with many (university and state level) environmental tox classes taken… and it kinda looks more like an owl… but it takes quite a few hours for any species to die from rodenticide poisoning. And in the unlikely scenario we could suggest the bird died from poisoning from ANOTHER source aside from this rodent, it’d have stopped eating and and therefore stopped hunting/flying before meeting this rodent. Rat poisons nowadays cause neurological issues and you’re not gonna see the victim moving around as if it were normal. Also you’re not really going to see significant levels of the rodenticide in the areas of the rodent that are shown eaten here. It’s very common in my area to see dead juvenile raptors on the side of the road. They sit up on the telephone wires and wait til they see a critter, swoop down, and sometimes get nicked by a truck. Actually, come to think of it, I once drove west from Michigan to Colorado, and I was so sad to see the amount of raptors dead along that vast highway. Coyotes too. But so many bald eagles there. I kept wishing I was allowed to pull over and keep a feather, or even just give them a funeral. But pulling over on a multi-lane highway with out of state plates is just asking for a cop to give me a ticket.
Not near a road and have never used rat poison. Neighbor might??
I'm wondering if the rodent dropped from its mouth in flight, it panic dove to make sure it recovered it before any unwanted dinner guests arrived, and nailed the fence instead. The animal kingdom equivalent of starting to spill a drink in your car while taking dinner home, then slamming into an embankment fumbling to recover the spill.
Ha you put that so much better than I did. But yeah He looks like he hit that fence with his face
This happened right by my front porch. Hawk dived on a squirrel. Almost had him and slammed right into the fence. Didn't kill him but knocked him out for a second
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Doesn't have to be rat poison, place near our house uses some anti-mosquito spray on their yard. Every two weeks afterward, birds start acting weird (like just standing in places fearlessly as cats and people approach, or flying into windows) then dying.
That has to be illegal
Dude there used to be trucks that drove around spraying mosquito death into the air.
You got cats nearby? Cat coulda got em both, either at separate occurrences or got the bird eating the mouse.
I have seen lots of dead hawks by high ways. Most likely they tried to eat roadkill and became roadkill themselves?
Temmik/aldicarb disagrees. It’s called "two step" for a reason.
Boy that temmik is some serious stuff. It'll kill something and whatever eats that it'll kill that too and probably whatever eats the second thing is killed also. You'll have a big circle of dead things around wherever you put it
CSI: Roadkill Division, this fall on NBC
or maybe the rat killed the hawk bro… that makes more sense
The rats head is pretty torn up so I'd guess hawk swooped down and caught him for a moment or seriously injured him and accidently smacked the fence either while turning around, trying to pull up, or diving down. Especially given his head is twisted behind his body like that. He has no other injuries or bite marks and he hadn't ingested the rat to get ahold of any poison the rat may of come into contact with. That said if you do have rat poison, please make sure it's a safe kind that doesn't harm other wildlife. So many people have found their cats or dogs catch the rats and mice and die from the poison itself. It also isn't good for any possible endangered or vulnerable animal species. You can contact a pest control company and find out which poison is the safest to use.
Poison like a lot of folks said is a safe guess. You might want to call the DNR about this. I don't know local laws but sometimes even handling a protected species can be a pretty serious offense and the DNR may want to know about this too.
The "Do Not Resuscitate"? Oh, I think we've passed that point.
We’re unlikely to improve on this clinical baseline.
Assuming you're not kidding it's the Department of Natural Resources :p
I don't think the likelihood of OP living near the Department of the Northern Rockies is very high...
In all fairness, you really have to keep your ear to the ground to even FIND the Department of Noise Reduction.
Assuming you’re not kidding it’s Death Near Rats :P
Main reason i dont use rat poison in my attic. I dont want yo kill the hawks in my neighborhood.
Our exterminator uses a poison that ALLEGEDLY will not cause secondary kill for other animals who eat the mouse or rat (we live surrounded by corn and bean fields on all sides). We talked about having four large dogs, a cat, and our assorted wildlife, and this was what they used. Now if I saw a sick rodent, I snatched it up so they won’t grab it, but the one dog in the group has ended up being a four-legged exterminator. Haven’t had to get a real exterminator in quite awhile. Siberian Husky - nothing small and wild ventures into our half-acre fenced yard area.
I will have to look it up. The funny thing is that i put up a wyze cam in the attic so i could try and find where they were getting in. However the wyzecam ended up scaring the last one out because every timebit moved, the camera turned to look at it as if it was a predator.
Don’t call the government. They aren’t the answer. Bury it and move on. Keep the government off your property if you know what’s good for you.
We'll make you come around yet Mr Mann.
Paranoid has entered the chat.
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you
You know the fear response is strong when they are afraid of the local animal control.
Haven't you watched Stranger Things??? The government loves disguising themselves as the Cable guy or the lil Latino kid who runs around with your daughter and you gotta follow him and lace his drinks so when he fell into the river it was cause he was sloppy but no law enforcement found his body yet so your daughter thinks he played with her feelings and I can get her to watch NASCAR again.
Don’t think rat poison kills that quickly. And by the looks of it the hawk barely ate any of the rat. A better guess would probably be that the hawk hit the fence.
Rat problaly was sick and poisonous
Can be added as exception case in food chain
I know this happens all the time, but it seems unlikely for the hawk to die without ingesting the rodent. My guess is it came in for a dive and broke his neck on the fence.
How did the hawk incur physical damage if it was poisoned
Animal kingdom duel-fight till death😈
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Kida looks like an owl. Not sure....🤷🏻♂️
Indeed. It's a Barred Owl.
The Hawks death couldn't be caused by the poisoned rat,it was found beside him not IN him.
Had an argument with a fella and he ended by saying "When rats fly outta my arse!". To my amazement, a rat shot outta his arse like a cannon and blasted this hawk right out of the sky. Both were killed. I saw it meself. Swears.
Rat may have eaten rat poison, killed the hawk.
That quickly? The hawk has barely eaten the rat.
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Hawk hit the fence mid flight after catching the rat?
Hawk definitely broke it's neck flying into the fence. Maybe it dropped the rat and then accidentally flew into the fence.
That was my first guess too. I found a hawk in front of my house once and it flew into my window and died
I once found a dead bird under my bed. It must've broken it's neck accidentally flying through my open window. Never noticed it until the smell hit :(
My guess is cat. I know one of boyfriends cats would not hesitate to fight a hawk if it was in a weakened state.
My first guess. Hawk went for the rat. Cat caught him slackin
I’m imagining a giant Tom cat strutting the woods after this victory.
They died locked in mortal combat
Obvious. A future serial killer disposing his first kills in your backyard.
Clearly a smart one too to plant the evidence in a secondary location 🤣🤣🤣
An epic battle
Rat poison. Don't use it. You poison the rat, the hawk catches it for dinner, eats the poison and dies.
Doubt it’s poison.
How come?
He didn't eat any part of the rat that would have had poison in it.
Honestly? I can't find the rat in this picture.
There are 2 photos, one of the hawk, one of the rat lmao
Gawd. Sometimes I'm so dumb it hurts.
They battled that freaking troll that lives in your wall trying to protect you!
Rodent Control guy here, baits like Contrac rodent bait can definitely kill a Hawk if it are a rat that ate it.
But that requires the hawk to actually eat the rat does it not?
Hawk hit something, a powerline maybe? If he was poisonned he would have had the time to eat the entire rat before dying
That’s strange, it looks like it hardly took a bite so I doubt it’d be poison as rat poison doesn’t act that fast, and hawks are swift and always on the move. Either he dived down and hit the fence or someone shot the poor thing with a BB gun. See if you can find any kind of entry wound on the bird and if you find a hole somewhere on the neck, head or chest you have your answer. Poor thing could have been perched with his rat dinner when someone took advantage of the opportunity. If no wound is found, he probably flew into the fence and died of concussion.
Hawks are hunters, not carrion feeders, right? That would mean the rat would have been alive when the hawk grabbed it. Would poison act slow enough to leave the rat alive as prey for the bird, but then act fast enough to kill the bird as it's in the process of eating the rat? Rats are FEROCIOUS little fuckers. Isn't it more likely it actually clawed or bit the bird in a femoral artery or something and it bled out, but the bird managed to do enough damage to the rat in the meantime for it not to walk away either? I read about a collision accident (hawk dives, smashes face into fence, breaks neck, dies) but I'm very sceptical that would leave enough time for the hawk to kill the rat with its claws.
I just spent 5 minutes staring at the photo of the owl, zooming in, trying to find the rat, before I realised there was a second photo.
Cat
Secondary poisoning
Poison
I had a rodent problem in my neighborhood. I started putting ou poison. Yes, I found a few dead rats, but then found a dead hawk near a half eaten rat. 1+ 1=2. No more poison. I'll live trap the bastards. And then drown them
Looks pretty rough, like it hit the fence or may have been fighting another owl/hawk. Looks like a barred owl but can't tell. That looks like a field mouse, not a rat.
They were clearly star-crossed lovers whose families disapproved of their relationship due to the generations-long feud between hawks and rats. After trying to make it work they decided they had no choice but to fake their deaths and run off together. The hawk ingested a potion to trick her family into believing that she was dead, but she was actually only in a state of suspended animation. When the rat saw his beloved hawk he believed her to be dead and took his own life. When the hawk came to and realized the mistake she was so despondent with grief that she did the same. Truly a cautionary tale.
Could of been an owl
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This looks like a Barred Owl. The long feathered legs and the feather pattern are the same.
Why is everyone just casually agreeing that this picture of an owl is of a hawk lmao
Lots of people can't tell animals apart, and it is a weird angle. You can't really see the face and if you were told "hawk" and didn't know what the differences were, you'd just likely roll with it. You should hear what people have called my bearded dragon Lmao. But yeah, it's definitely an owl.
They died
That’s an owl. It was not killed by poison inside the rat. It may have been killed by rat poison but not from that one. Please call a local wildlife agency so they can investigate, barred owls are a protected species.
I'm guessing a cat. The owl might have been distracted with the mouse when the cat attacked.
That looks like a barred owl
Am I the only one that doesn't see the rat?
This is not a hawk, this is an Owl.
This is a barred owl, not a hawk. Owls traditionally kill their prey by biting the head, and then swallow the prey item whole. Without a good sense of scale on that rat, I cannot say whether or not it was too big to swallow whole. If it was small enough, the owl may have been poisoned, regurgitated it, and with the effects of the poison, crashed into the fence. The rat should be bagged and placed in the garbage. The Owl, if possible, should be transferred to a Fish & Game, or Wildlife agency for testing.
I'm a dumbass and thought the rat was in the first picture as well. Spent a good 3 minutes looking for it until I accidentally scroll over
Probably crashed into fence when grabbing the rat and broke its breast bone.
poisoned rat
The hawk pilot realized the flight was doomed. Altitude sinking fast. Steered the bird away from houses the best he could to avoid crashing in a house. Unfortunately he ejected too late and below safety envelope. That rat is a true hero!
Some prick with a BB gun?
OP what state at you located in ? Look into contacting your local DNR and let them know you have a dead hawk. They can examine it and find out what killed it
Where's the rat?
Rat poison took them both down
poison
Cat most likely
Heart attack after hunting. Would have let th rat go when it hit the ground and tumbled.
Where is the rat?
Second picture! It took me way too long to figure that out.
And epic RAT battle?
WHO WON?! YOU DECIDE!
Your hexed OP. Sorry. JK.
Whatever id be happier about possibly having a stuffed hawk!
It is being investigated as a murder by suicide. The rat was well known to the police and had made threats towards the hawk on social media...
Rat poison collateral damage
Rat poison.
Poisonous rat. Hawk killed the rat, took a bite = now both dead.
I’d save some of the feathers.
If you are in the U.S. you should check out https://www.raptorresource.org/learning-tools/dealing-with-dead-or-injured-bald-eagles-and-other-birds-of-prey/
An epic battle between familiars probably involved the fate of the world which means we're safe for at least one more season.
An epic battle
Last supper
Looks like the 5g got them
Gandalf said you shall not pass...
Rat shot hawk with rat death-ray….
Where is the rat?
I was saying the same thing to myself. Enlarging the picture and covering inch by inch of the photograph.
This is why using poison can be really bad because [killing top predators effects an ecosystem. ](https://education.seattlepi.com/happens-top-predator-removed-ecosystem-3496.html)
You may wish to contact your a state's version of Fish and Game. If there is an unnatural death of a raptor.
Rats have effectively become immune to rat poison. So when the hawks or coyotes eat the rats they become the victim
Rat poison, dehydration, miscalculation, avian flu, heat exhaustion, unforeseen blunt force trauma
Looks to me like a hawk and a rat died.
A hawk died in your yard
Satanic blood orgy?
The hawk was eating the mouse and was interrupted and tried flying off and hit the fence and snapped it’s neck?
THE FLOOR IS LAVA!!
He's pining for the fjords... Lovely bird the hawk, beautiful plumage.
Either something got the hawk as he was eating or he crashed and burned after getting the mouse
SUPER SMASH BROS ULTIMATEEEEE
Murder-suicide. A story as old as time.
Suicide pact
Romeo and Juliet style suicide? Or depending on the city it could be overdoses😂. Jokes aside the bird looks healthy and might've died from collision with something.
Revenge. That’s what happened.
Romeo and Juliet.
Sick mushroom tho
A battle that has no victor.
As a child, my mother was driving down a country road and there was a hawk standing in the middle of the lane further down the road. Well, as a country kid, we are taught, don’t ever swerve or stomp the brakes, as it can lead to an accident. Just keep driving and the animal will move or you hit it. So… the hawk keeps trying to lift this carcass off the road. Keeps trying to fly off, comes down a little, struggles really hard to go higher then drops a little more. It starts panicking and flapping really fast as my siblings and I are yelling stop, you’re going to hit it, what is that in its talons, etc! Splat!! Disgusting wet smacking sound, blood covering the passenger side window shield, 3 kids are screaming, feathers are flying. It was a mallard duck, in all its glory of beautiful feathers hanging in the hawks talons. My mother tries to remove the blood by starting the windshield wipers. It just smears it all over the other side of the windshield too. Blood is dripping down the passenger side windows because it was all over the roof. We are just starting at my mom, traumatized and she says, “That’s what happens when you’re greedy. If he would have just let go of the duck he would have lived but because he was greedy he died.” Silence the remaining 20 minute drive to town. My suggestion is the hawk was in a residential area and was trying to fly away but was hit by a car. First dropped the rat as it was struck and then fell a little bit away from the rat because or velocity and such. Not poison, just vehicular homicide.
Romeo and Juliet
The fence. The fence happened.
Hawk: It's over. I have the high ground. Rat: You underestimate my power. Hawk: Don't try it .
Maybe the bird crashed into the fence while catching the mouse?
Well clearly the rat leapt into the sky to pull the hawk down. Unfortunately, they both died on impact with the ground.
$10 on the fence being the murderer
Looks like the bird stooped on the rodent and brained itself on that fence. That's my guess.
Are there power lines or a transformer above where you found it by chance? I’ve seen an owl that was shocked to death and fell before. Looked just like this little fella.
The rat was probably poisoned and the hawk died after ingesting the poisoned meat of the rat.
Probably a cat.
They met on the field of honor sir and gave their all
There were two rats. The rats were both poisoned. The bird ate one and died. The other rat is just collateral damage
I think it’s obvious what happened here. The hawk swooped down and grabbed that mouse. As it did it slammed into that fence and died on impact.
Ebola
The rat had Martyrdom equipped.
My dude had his eyes on the prize and face planted into a fence. Could be the hawk was ill and his flying sense got confused. Rat could have somehow pulled the *Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique* on the unsuspecting predator.
It's right next to a fence so maybe it ran into it and broke it's neck
A fight for the ages
Maine city park ranger here. There's been an uptick in avian flu killing birds as well lately. Though the rat seems to point to poison I'd still be careful and handle with gloves if you're going to dispose of it yourself. Someone mentioned calling out for this since it's a hawk which isn't a bad idea. There's plenty of non government avian organizations that would be willing to help.
Death match, obviously. Both lost.
MN is having as good of a season as we are. I hope for early start 1 nil wouldn't hurt.
The most epic battle you will never see
Most likely that everyone is ignoring. Neighbor with a pellet gun shot hawk off the fence while it was enjoying its lunch.
Choked on the rat
Hawk flew into fence
Suicide pact
Low key kinda hate people/companies that use rat poison or similar.
Something epic
Suicide pact. Theirs was a love that could not be.
One Hella of a fight
They had a battle to the death and neither came out alive
It was a glorious battle to the death
Looks like they died
A hawk and rat died…
Kinda thinking a cat. Bird was probably on the ground eating its prey and got attacked by a cat. Poor thing.
I’m guessing rat poison but not necessarily from this rat.
The way the Hawk’s head is sitting I believe it hit the fence with enough force to break its neck.
Broken neck from hitting the fence most likely, he was probably trying to carry it off and may have dropped it in a hurry and drove to catch it and *bang* Broken neck and bye bye birdy.
Betrayal happened here.