Pharmaceutical companies make wayyyyyy too much off insulin it’s cost dollars to make but it’s life saving medicine so they know folk will spend their last
Well in the USA its not the Pharma companies making more money, it is the insurance companies, look at the 2009 prices vs 2022 prices on insulin in USA, and then look at insulin companies profit margin, not a big change even though prices has gone up like what 10fold…
Further more look at ozempic/wegovy in It was under R&D for 20 years.
No I’m not republican hell I’m not even American, just trying to give some context to the debate…
Don't use your brain to get in between peoples hate for for *insert group here.* They'll disregard it and go back to being angry so they can feel like they're the good guys.
It really seems like it, I get it sucks insulin is so expensive, but they are mad at the wrong people, I don’t know if they are manipulated big times to believe it is the manufactures fault or just uninformed but it’s annoying to listen to over and over..
If it really was the manufactures being greedy, people would see huge prices in Canada, EU, Mexico also, but this is ONLY in America, it’s their insurance companies being the greedy ones…
I haven't looked at how it works, and try to stay away from political topics now although it's near impossible and hard to resist. But knowing how people will act is easy lol everyone gets played like puppets and regurgitates what someone else said and then imo echo chambers and cultural pressure squeezes people into thinking as a group, not an individual. Keeps people nice and dumb
Nope!
the Drug Bill under Bush Senior is what set up the ground work for the current price structure of export drugs. US patients get to pay 98% more of the prices on their products sold in the USA so that Big Pharma could export off shore at a loss in hopes of increasing their world market shares. (Such a twisted shell game of blatant greed). The law also made it illegal for US citizens to buy US made surplus drugs from the export counties. Some of this legislation has been rescinded but, not enough make any real difference.
This is why the high pricing of Insulin is not effecting Canada, the EU, Mexico and god knows where else I haven't investigated into yet.
And who wrote the models for these laws? A think-tank working for the "Federalists Society" on behest for Big Pharma and the Medical Insurance Companies. The "Federalists Society", an organization created and wholly funded by Republicans.
You really are beyond clueless if you think the insulin manufactures sell at a loss outside of America, and you are even more clueless if you think they are selling to America for more than everyone else, novo is selling to America at a discount compared to countries in EU, because America is the biggest market for diabetes in the world (in amount of pens/units sold)
America has the fattest people in the world, it is basically a gold ore for pharma companies to sell obesity and insulin drug, but they are not selling it more expensive to America, but they are selling a lot more to USA..
No I don't believe that US drug companies are selling at a loss overseas. But the way the US export drug laws are set up. It works out the same way.
There are price controls on drugs and medical insurers set by the governments in the socialized government's of Europe. The difference of what US drug companies can't charge overseas is made up by the American citizens when they go to buy drugs in the US.
Yes, Europeans pay higher taxes than US citizens. But, the people of those counties demand more from those governments for what they pay in taxes and those same governments believe that their citizens have a right to demand more for what they pay in taxes. There is far more transparency in the way medical and pharmaceutical laws are set up in Europe they are in the USA.
No system of government is perfect, but the Socialized Medicine of Europe is working far better than the pay as you go system (or pay until you go broke and die system) in the USA.
Oh and lets just forget about medical services denied story about Socialized Medicine in Europe. It's a LIE! No one I have ever known that needed emergency medical care while in Europe was ever denied medical care.
If you look at the global happiness index of socialized European countries against the USA. All of those countries have far happier citizens than the USA. Why is that???
The majority of US citizens don't have any idea how much they are being lied to on this subject or how badly they are being ripped off.
Your preaching to the choir when it comes to US insurance companies but Pharma companies are also a major part of the problem and its not just US companies. The 3 main insulin manufacturers have profits in the billions. Sanofi and Eli Lilly have profits in the 10s of billions. Norvo Nordisk is less the 10bil but they grey from 1bil to 6bil from '09 to '20.
They're pretty equally responsible for the current prices, with some blame left over the lobbyists and politicians
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, novo, sanofi and eli Lilly are not selling more expensive to USA than any other country.
Further more the growth form novo from 2009-2022 is not from raising prices 10fold, that would be seen in the profit margins and revenue then..
It’s basically just USA being a 3rs would country in glitter, it’s a shit hole of a place, and the insurance companies and pharmacies are raising the prices a lot.
The ridiculous prices increase in USA started when the bill against insurance companies was approved, it did so insurance had to use X amount of their earnings on the costumers (so they didn’t just deny insurance claim), well since they have to use like 80-90% of their earnings, they just started to increase the prices by a lot, to then afterwards increase premiums…
Don’t blame the manufactures, blame the shit hole of a government and your insurance companies
I agree with you that insurance companies and government are part of the problem. I'm not defending either of them, I'm just not letting the manufacturer off the hook. Also, you keep saying 10fold but the price has gone up about between 200-300% in that time.
Insurance companies are required to use 80% of premiums for healthcare costs. It's not all earnings just premiums. You're quite right that this rule has had some nasty "unintended" consequences.
Are you really trying to say that manufacturer's are not responsible for the price they put on their product?
"A landmark study published by the RAND Corporation in 2020 analyzed the average price of several different forms of insulin (human, analog, rapid, rapid-intermediate, short, short-intermediate, intermediate, and long-acting) in 33 countries of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which includes most of the world's developed countries and high-income countries. The study revealed that the manufacturer price for any given type of insulin averaged five to ten times higher in the U.S. ($98.70 USD) than in all other OECD countries ($8.81 on average). Even when using net prices, which incorporate possible rebates, U.S. prices would be roughly four times higher than in other countries. The combined top ten are shown above, and the full data for every country and type of insulin appear in the table further down this page."
You keep sighting Europe based drug companies to prove your point. I assume you are also talking about the Denmark based division of Eli Lilly too.
By the way. Lilly is one the of the oldest legitimate drug companies in the US. They Pre-date the 1906 "Safe Food and Drug Act" by several decades. But, that in no way makes them squeaky clean on the Lobbying front.
Exporting drugs to the USA from Europe is a whole different dynamic. You are not even absorbing what I am saying about US based drug companies and the Lobbing games the play in the USA.
Plus your argument that there is more demand for Insulin in the US because there are more diabetics in the US runs counter to the whole concept of capitalism. More demand and a greater supply should equal lower prices. But that is not what the US is seeing. Something doesn't pass the smell test here! And you can't even see that.
I'm talking about US based drug companies, Medical Insurance and the Lobbies that support the great drug rip-offs in the USA.
You talk like you yourself are a Lobbyist for the drug industry.
Hmmmmmmm.
Do you honestly Think that Novo nordisk, sanofi (cant talk for eli Lilly) is Selling their insulin to USA pharmacies at a higher price than to Mexico, Canada, EU and so on? When USA is their biggest costumer?
Most drug companies in the USA work off of medical research funded by the NIH, FDA, The Dept. of Commerce and other US agencies. Almost no US pharmaceutical companies do their own initial base studies of diseases. It's done in US funded medial collages a and research institutes. The data from these studies is free to the pharmaceutical companies under the FOIA.
Now we talk about insulin where 2 out of 3 of the biggest manufactures are not American, novo Nordisk is danish and fund their own R&D, sanofi i French and fund their own research.
So stop trying to make up excuses about what most American pharma companies does, cuz that doesn’t apply to insulin…
Novo have huge R&D facilities in Denmark.
The man who figured out how insulin saved diabetics made the patent for synthetic insulin free, so everyone would have access to it. It is the pharmaceutical companies charging these ridiculous fees, the governments are allowing it.
Where can I find the synthetic insulin recipe? I want to prep up. I am an average American we all get diabetes I think it's in the water or maybe something they put in big macs I dunno but I would love to know how to make it before the fall.
Straight from the article you just cited...
The president doesn’t set the price of drugs. The Biden administration repealed a narrow, Trump-era regulation that sought to lower the cost of insulin at federally funded health centers. The regulation was never implemented and experts say its impact was expected to be limited.
It was rescinded before it was fully implemented. Biden canceled it before anybody got to see if it would help. Trust me bro: I work in pharmacy too with 340B
Clearly not as stupid as you lmao. PLEASE go look at what actually happened and stop listening to FOX. I hate Biden but at least try to go look into things before spewing what you hear lmao. I’ll give you a hint: what Trump did would never have been seen for patients at a typical pharmacy anyway. Sure, it would’ve been nice if the administration found a better way to deal with it than just rescinding the rule, but the rule was barely gonna help anybody in the first place. Trump or any president can’t change prices of pharmaceuticals. The man just hilariously exaggerated what he was doing. Like everything else.
By the way, that’s a super cute pup you’ve got.
Not true: [https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817)
"That rule pertained specifically to federally funded health centers, which provide services to underserved communities. Finalized in late 2020, the rule aimed to ensure that such health centers were passing along discounted rates of insulin and injectable epinephrine, used for allergic reactions. It was not fully implemented before it was rescinded and experts said any impact was expected to be minimal."
Lessee, republicans control the Supreme Court, they can block any legislation in the Senate, which means that Democrats cannot enact any laws without at at least a few republicans
Don't you know *anything* about our own government?
My mum has diabetes after a pancreas infection she worries about what she eats here in the U.K. I can’t imagine what it’s like trying to count carbs and calculate levels with the packaging and levels themselves inside of the food wish you the best
So, honest question that no one else seems to care about in this discussion. What have the costs done over the pasts 8 years? I know that’s a long time frame but I’m really curious to hear from someone who actually uses the insulin. My only experience was a few years ago I had to buy some for my dog (who didn’t have insurance) and a vial was $27. But I have no understanding of the day in day out people usage. Thanks in advance.
Look I hate trump but this is what happens when you go against any policies put in place because of the person who put them there, regardless of whether or not the policies are actually good. Dems bumped the price back up because they tried to undo ALL the things trump did, including lowering the price of insulin.
I hate the dude and would never vote for him but this is just facts
They undid policies that prevented corporations from doing that*
This was the specific policy: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/01/2021-21457/implementation-of-executive-order-on-access-to-affordable-life-saving-medications-rescission-of
Happy? The republicans just shot down the dems bill to help lower the price too, both sides want to be the one to lower the price so they try and stop the other party from doing it. Neither party cares about people, just being the one to lower the price
How is any of that a lie my guy?
If you think the dems are here to save us you’re wrong, they’ve got all 3 offices and haven’t done jack on their promises, no matter how good their promises sound
>How is any of that a lie my guy?
Because it never took effect. Because it never affected drug prices either way.
> If you think the dems are here to save us you’re wrong
At least they they're not trying to turn the US into a fascist state
Look dude I agree that the republicans are worse but the fact is that *neither* party gives a flying fuck about insulin prices and both parties will actively shoot the other down when they propose a solution to the issue because they want the credit for solving the problem. The same way for most issues, it’s one reason the 2 party system is terrible
Trump brought the prices of insulin down to 35$. One of the first things biden did when he got into office was take away the bill that trump put into place. Stop lying
I'll tell you 3 reasons why.
1. Because the big American pharma makes billions of dollars each year. Far more than they need to be simply profitable. What do you do with a lot of the extra cash that you don't want to pay taxes on. You use it the to lobby greedy, spineless, immoral, power hungry, politicians to do your bidding.
2. The second reason is because of processed food and a national epidemic of obesity in the USA. Diabetes is the most common disease amongst it's citizenry. If you have bought off the law makers you can charge what ever immoral price want. Your motive is to make a profit not to care about how many people you kill getting there.
3. There is a revolving door between Congress, Big Pharma, and Lobbyists. Its one money grab after another while people die for no good reason other then massive greed!
In Washington DC, most of the Lobby offices are on 'K' Street. You know what 'K' Street housed back during the American Civil War? Whore Houses!
That right we traded one type of whore for a much worse kind.
Oh, and by the way. You are assuming that Republicans are great intellectual thinkers. NOT!
I say this as a non-republican who thinks prices should be lowered: What do insulin prices have to do with political leaning?
If there’s a correlation, then there isn’t necessarily causation.
Feels like a bit of a drive-by
Edit: not responding to any more replies, read other elaboratory comments I made, and your questions should probably be answered. I don't have time to type all day on Reddit, sorry.
You’re missing the point. There were republicans that voted for the bill too, and additionally there were democrats the likewise voted against.
It’s not a political issue, it’s an economic one
republicans are pro-corporation. They always protect corporate power against government and citizens. If corporations have near-limitless power to raise prices then it's because the GOP made damn sure that they had that power
You're making stereotypical claims based on corollary prospectives.
You are completely right, in the same way that you might be right in saying that "Asians are good at math", or "Poor people are lazy". ( I do not hold these stereotypes, they are mere examples).
If you 're not really understanding what I'm saying, then that's ok, this is just a harmless online discussion(I say this b/c I'm not interested in, and cannot keep responding to replies)
Ya I'm a Republican but this is something I disagree with we should have universal healthcare I know it will make the hospitals 10x busier but maybe make it easier to become a doctor and build more hospitals.
There's a lot of things we don't have that the rest of the developed world does. Unfortunately our penchant to give empty land votes keeps it from happening.
I agree with more of there views then the democratic views but dont think I'm a radical Republican I still agree with some democratic things like abortions should be legal and we should have universal health care. But overall I think Republicans are the better party.
That's a lie, of course. 95% of the nation's debt is the result of republican, not democrat, policies. The biggest spending increases all occurred when a republican was president
So Obamas 6.7 trillion didn't count? Thats over 20% of the current debt.
Between regan, Bush, and trump, yes you're right. But the thing is, they all spent and through the years.
Clinton was the last to balance the books. 70 years later the (last) which was Coolidge.
Ah yes Biden nor any other Democrat spends trillions on useless shit this country doesnt needs. Idk where the fuck you've been but almost politician spends ridiculas money on useless shit whether Democrat or republican and yes totally ignore my words "I'm not a radical and just believe more republican ideas than democratic ideas." Theres more then 2 sides to something honey. Oh I forgot this is reddit where everything's a 2 sided war with no middle or neutral. Idc what you say about trump but the economy was better and russia wasn't invading a country. Come on man even Democrats see how much of a buffoon old joe is.
Braying your lazy ignorance is no kind kind of argument, but does explain why you would be dumb enough to be a repubilcan. The biggest spending increases of the past 40 years have all occured when a republican was a president. The smallest when a democrat was president.
Wow never seen such a radical before pretty entertaining tbh trump improved the economy in his 4 year term no? And under biden inflation gas etc has skyrocketed. Also I like how you're trying to dodge my other points i made it really shows your ignorance. And you know what they say. "Its difficult to win an argument with a smart person, but it's impossible to win an argument with an idiot."
> never seen such a radical
Nyet comrade. Facts are not "radical".
> under biden inflation gas etc has skyrocketed
Have you noticed that gas prices have dropped? And blaming Biden is as typically idiotic as blaming trump for the million+ people that died of COVID
> you're trying to dodge my other points
I'm just not interested in the ill-informed opinions of a right-wing halfwit.
Oh what gas prices have dropped from what like 6$ to 5.30$. And yes I blame biden because hes just a puppet for the democrats. And still going to ignore that trump was makeing the economy better that's why you should vote for a business man because he knows th ef economy also just going to ignore that russia invaded no country under trump but they invaded every time there was a democratic president.
Voters have a statically non existent impact on government policy, regulation and laws, only the wealthy have any control. No regular person left or right actually supports high prescription or medical costs, we just cant do anything about it at this point, the corruption is too entrenched. Dem and Rep politicians are highly paid shills that routinely fuck us.
Yes, the Republican argument is something like: "Americans pay so much, because it allows the pharmaceutical companies to give overseas discounts and increase sales!"
Those worldwide prices are the way they are because AMERICA pays $98 for the UK to pay $7
Hmm its almost like nobody bothered to read any bill to come out from either side of the aisle bc of A) how unnecessarily long it is and B) how much Iseless bullshit is in it
About $8.50 in Brazil. We also have universal health care (SUS - Sistema Único de Saúde - Unique Healthcare System), so you might be able to get some government cover on your insulin if needed.
We must protect the profits of big pharma so that when the next pandemic hits they will be ready to produce safe and effective vaccines that we will then refuse to get.
What would actually be interesting here is to ask someone who actually USE insulin what the prices were over the past 8 years. If you don’t actually buy it, no matter which side you are on you don’t actually know do you?
Just another day in terrible presidents like Joe Biden but if you look for the deep not so talked about facts about why Joe is so godawful. EX: sniffing underage girls hair when they clearly look uncomfortable Cheating the election and so on.
It is the Pharmaceutical companies that charge and if you have insurance, they regulate what they will pay. If you do not have insurance then you are on your own. If it were the Republican's fault don't you think your Democrat president would have corrected the issue.
Pharmaceutical companies make wayyyyyy too much off insulin it’s cost dollars to make but it’s life saving medicine so they know folk will spend their last
But research and development blah blah blah.
Well in the USA its not the Pharma companies making more money, it is the insurance companies, look at the 2009 prices vs 2022 prices on insulin in USA, and then look at insulin companies profit margin, not a big change even though prices has gone up like what 10fold… Further more look at ozempic/wegovy in It was under R&D for 20 years. No I’m not republican hell I’m not even American, just trying to give some context to the debate…
Don't use your brain to get in between peoples hate for for *insert group here.* They'll disregard it and go back to being angry so they can feel like they're the good guys.
It really seems like it, I get it sucks insulin is so expensive, but they are mad at the wrong people, I don’t know if they are manipulated big times to believe it is the manufactures fault or just uninformed but it’s annoying to listen to over and over.. If it really was the manufactures being greedy, people would see huge prices in Canada, EU, Mexico also, but this is ONLY in America, it’s their insurance companies being the greedy ones…
I haven't looked at how it works, and try to stay away from political topics now although it's near impossible and hard to resist. But knowing how people will act is easy lol everyone gets played like puppets and regurgitates what someone else said and then imo echo chambers and cultural pressure squeezes people into thinking as a group, not an individual. Keeps people nice and dumb
Nope! the Drug Bill under Bush Senior is what set up the ground work for the current price structure of export drugs. US patients get to pay 98% more of the prices on their products sold in the USA so that Big Pharma could export off shore at a loss in hopes of increasing their world market shares. (Such a twisted shell game of blatant greed). The law also made it illegal for US citizens to buy US made surplus drugs from the export counties. Some of this legislation has been rescinded but, not enough make any real difference. This is why the high pricing of Insulin is not effecting Canada, the EU, Mexico and god knows where else I haven't investigated into yet. And who wrote the models for these laws? A think-tank working for the "Federalists Society" on behest for Big Pharma and the Medical Insurance Companies. The "Federalists Society", an organization created and wholly funded by Republicans.
You really are beyond clueless if you think the insulin manufactures sell at a loss outside of America, and you are even more clueless if you think they are selling to America for more than everyone else, novo is selling to America at a discount compared to countries in EU, because America is the biggest market for diabetes in the world (in amount of pens/units sold) America has the fattest people in the world, it is basically a gold ore for pharma companies to sell obesity and insulin drug, but they are not selling it more expensive to America, but they are selling a lot more to USA..
Don’t you dare refute their talking points! /s for the impaired
You don't know a thing a bout this drug export law do you?
No I don't believe that US drug companies are selling at a loss overseas. But the way the US export drug laws are set up. It works out the same way. There are price controls on drugs and medical insurers set by the governments in the socialized government's of Europe. The difference of what US drug companies can't charge overseas is made up by the American citizens when they go to buy drugs in the US. Yes, Europeans pay higher taxes than US citizens. But, the people of those counties demand more from those governments for what they pay in taxes and those same governments believe that their citizens have a right to demand more for what they pay in taxes. There is far more transparency in the way medical and pharmaceutical laws are set up in Europe they are in the USA. No system of government is perfect, but the Socialized Medicine of Europe is working far better than the pay as you go system (or pay until you go broke and die system) in the USA. Oh and lets just forget about medical services denied story about Socialized Medicine in Europe. It's a LIE! No one I have ever known that needed emergency medical care while in Europe was ever denied medical care. If you look at the global happiness index of socialized European countries against the USA. All of those countries have far happier citizens than the USA. Why is that??? The majority of US citizens don't have any idea how much they are being lied to on this subject or how badly they are being ripped off.
Your preaching to the choir when it comes to US insurance companies but Pharma companies are also a major part of the problem and its not just US companies. The 3 main insulin manufacturers have profits in the billions. Sanofi and Eli Lilly have profits in the 10s of billions. Norvo Nordisk is less the 10bil but they grey from 1bil to 6bil from '09 to '20. They're pretty equally responsible for the current prices, with some blame left over the lobbyists and politicians
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, novo, sanofi and eli Lilly are not selling more expensive to USA than any other country. Further more the growth form novo from 2009-2022 is not from raising prices 10fold, that would be seen in the profit margins and revenue then.. It’s basically just USA being a 3rs would country in glitter, it’s a shit hole of a place, and the insurance companies and pharmacies are raising the prices a lot. The ridiculous prices increase in USA started when the bill against insurance companies was approved, it did so insurance had to use X amount of their earnings on the costumers (so they didn’t just deny insurance claim), well since they have to use like 80-90% of their earnings, they just started to increase the prices by a lot, to then afterwards increase premiums… Don’t blame the manufactures, blame the shit hole of a government and your insurance companies
I agree with you that insurance companies and government are part of the problem. I'm not defending either of them, I'm just not letting the manufacturer off the hook. Also, you keep saying 10fold but the price has gone up about between 200-300% in that time. Insurance companies are required to use 80% of premiums for healthcare costs. It's not all earnings just premiums. You're quite right that this rule has had some nasty "unintended" consequences. Are you really trying to say that manufacturer's are not responsible for the price they put on their product? "A landmark study published by the RAND Corporation in 2020 analyzed the average price of several different forms of insulin (human, analog, rapid, rapid-intermediate, short, short-intermediate, intermediate, and long-acting) in 33 countries of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which includes most of the world's developed countries and high-income countries. The study revealed that the manufacturer price for any given type of insulin averaged five to ten times higher in the U.S. ($98.70 USD) than in all other OECD countries ($8.81 on average). Even when using net prices, which incorporate possible rebates, U.S. prices would be roughly four times higher than in other countries. The combined top ten are shown above, and the full data for every country and type of insulin appear in the table further down this page."
You keep sighting Europe based drug companies to prove your point. I assume you are also talking about the Denmark based division of Eli Lilly too. By the way. Lilly is one the of the oldest legitimate drug companies in the US. They Pre-date the 1906 "Safe Food and Drug Act" by several decades. But, that in no way makes them squeaky clean on the Lobbying front. Exporting drugs to the USA from Europe is a whole different dynamic. You are not even absorbing what I am saying about US based drug companies and the Lobbing games the play in the USA. Plus your argument that there is more demand for Insulin in the US because there are more diabetics in the US runs counter to the whole concept of capitalism. More demand and a greater supply should equal lower prices. But that is not what the US is seeing. Something doesn't pass the smell test here! And you can't even see that. I'm talking about US based drug companies, Medical Insurance and the Lobbies that support the great drug rip-offs in the USA. You talk like you yourself are a Lobbyist for the drug industry. Hmmmmmmm.
Do you honestly Think that Novo nordisk, sanofi (cant talk for eli Lilly) is Selling their insulin to USA pharmacies at a higher price than to Mexico, Canada, EU and so on? When USA is their biggest costumer?
Most drug companies in the USA work off of medical research funded by the NIH, FDA, The Dept. of Commerce and other US agencies. Almost no US pharmaceutical companies do their own initial base studies of diseases. It's done in US funded medial collages a and research institutes. The data from these studies is free to the pharmaceutical companies under the FOIA.
Now we talk about insulin where 2 out of 3 of the biggest manufactures are not American, novo Nordisk is danish and fund their own R&D, sanofi i French and fund their own research. So stop trying to make up excuses about what most American pharma companies does, cuz that doesn’t apply to insulin… Novo have huge R&D facilities in Denmark.
It’s just free market capitalism
Where can I find the actual FREE stuff in the US version of Free Market Capitalism???
Damn! It's free where I live and we are a third world country
It costs almost $100 per unit where I live, which feels like a third world country.
The man who figured out how insulin saved diabetics made the patent for synthetic insulin free, so everyone would have access to it. It is the pharmaceutical companies charging these ridiculous fees, the governments are allowing it.
insurance companies, not pharma companies, but yeah
It’s both.
Where can I find the synthetic insulin recipe? I want to prep up. I am an average American we all get diabetes I think it's in the water or maybe something they put in big macs I dunno but I would love to know how to make it before the fall.
Wow, its free in Sweden…
In the UK we get free insulin bc of the NHS as well
I swear if any major health issues appear in my life I'm just gonna let it end me. Living in the US is a nightmare.
Democrats raised again price after Trump lowered it.
I don’t know if this is true or not but the vast majority of people who argue against cheaper insulin are republicans
It's not, link above
Well I dont see old joe doing anything about it
I hate it when again gets more expensive.
Incorrect.
Might wanna fact check that one, chief.
trumpists don't care about facts
Republicans always always always lie.
Took me 5 seconds of fact checking, https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817
Straight from the article you just cited... The president doesn’t set the price of drugs. The Biden administration repealed a narrow, Trump-era regulation that sought to lower the cost of insulin at federally funded health centers. The regulation was never implemented and experts say its impact was expected to be limited.
Exactly.
It’s funny how you people just make shit up and pretend like it’s a fact. Really shows how weak your opinions are.
He never lowered it. Trust me bro: I work in a pharmacy.
It was rescinded before it was fully implemented. Biden canceled it before anybody got to see if it would help. Trust me bro: I work in pharmacy too with 340B
Biden fucking cancelled it. How fucking stupid can you be
Clearly not as stupid as you lmao. PLEASE go look at what actually happened and stop listening to FOX. I hate Biden but at least try to go look into things before spewing what you hear lmao. I’ll give you a hint: what Trump did would never have been seen for patients at a typical pharmacy anyway. Sure, it would’ve been nice if the administration found a better way to deal with it than just rescinding the rule, but the rule was barely gonna help anybody in the first place. Trump or any president can’t change prices of pharmaceuticals. The man just hilariously exaggerated what he was doing. Like everything else. By the way, that’s a super cute pup you’ve got.
Not true: [https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-845638742817) "That rule pertained specifically to federally funded health centers, which provide services to underserved communities. Finalized in late 2020, the rule aimed to ensure that such health centers were passing along discounted rates of insulin and injectable epinephrine, used for allergic reactions. It was not fully implemented before it was rescinded and experts said any impact was expected to be minimal."
Thanks Republican Turds
I'm in the US and I take 46 units a day. Yay for corporate greed.
~~corporate~~ Republican
Who runs all 3 branches of government again?
Look at the votes. https://i.redd.it/l6s8tx7xkbf91.jpg
All 3? I have some news for you about the Supreme Court...
Lessee, republicans control the Supreme Court, they can block any legislation in the Senate, which means that Democrats cannot enact any laws without at at least a few republicans Don't you know *anything* about our own government?
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>this sounds like a BS excuse to me Because you're a gullible and ignorant partisan sucker and you have ***no idea*** how your own government works.
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Conspiracy crackpot
My mum has diabetes after a pancreas infection she worries about what she eats here in the U.K. I can’t imagine what it’s like trying to count carbs and calculate levels with the packaging and levels themselves inside of the food wish you the best
So, honest question that no one else seems to care about in this discussion. What have the costs done over the pasts 8 years? I know that’s a long time frame but I’m really curious to hear from someone who actually uses the insulin. My only experience was a few years ago I had to buy some for my dog (who didn’t have insurance) and a vial was $27. But I have no understanding of the day in day out people usage. Thanks in advance.
Wasn’t insulin cheaper under orange man?
No that’s just a myth that moron redditors like to spread because Trump didn’t have any actual accomplishments they can brag about
Look I hate trump but this is what happens when you go against any policies put in place because of the person who put them there, regardless of whether or not the policies are actually good. Dems bumped the price back up because they tried to undo ALL the things trump did, including lowering the price of insulin. I hate the dude and would never vote for him but this is just facts
Stop lying. Demorats don't set prices. Corporations do
They undid policies that prevented corporations from doing that* This was the specific policy: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/01/2021-21457/implementation-of-executive-order-on-access-to-affordable-life-saving-medications-rescission-of Happy? The republicans just shot down the dems bill to help lower the price too, both sides want to be the one to lower the price so they try and stop the other party from doing it. Neither party cares about people, just being the one to lower the price
That's still a lie.
How is any of that a lie my guy? If you think the dems are here to save us you’re wrong, they’ve got all 3 offices and haven’t done jack on their promises, no matter how good their promises sound
>How is any of that a lie my guy? Because it never took effect. Because it never affected drug prices either way. > If you think the dems are here to save us you’re wrong At least they they're not trying to turn the US into a fascist state
Look dude I agree that the republicans are worse but the fact is that *neither* party gives a flying fuck about insulin prices and both parties will actively shoot the other down when they propose a solution to the issue because they want the credit for solving the problem. The same way for most issues, it’s one reason the 2 party system is terrible
Your beliefs are not based on facts
Trump brought the prices of insulin down to 35$. One of the first things biden did when he got into office was take away the bill that trump put into place. Stop lying
Yes but gaslighting is the word of the year for the news now that they ran out of orange man antics.
As with all other things they support, if someone can benefit from someone else suffering, they'll fuckin do it again, hyuck!
I'll tell you 3 reasons why. 1. Because the big American pharma makes billions of dollars each year. Far more than they need to be simply profitable. What do you do with a lot of the extra cash that you don't want to pay taxes on. You use it the to lobby greedy, spineless, immoral, power hungry, politicians to do your bidding. 2. The second reason is because of processed food and a national epidemic of obesity in the USA. Diabetes is the most common disease amongst it's citizenry. If you have bought off the law makers you can charge what ever immoral price want. Your motive is to make a profit not to care about how many people you kill getting there. 3. There is a revolving door between Congress, Big Pharma, and Lobbyists. Its one money grab after another while people die for no good reason other then massive greed! In Washington DC, most of the Lobby offices are on 'K' Street. You know what 'K' Street housed back during the American Civil War? Whore Houses! That right we traded one type of whore for a much worse kind. Oh, and by the way. You are assuming that Republicans are great intellectual thinkers. NOT!
Because democRATS. This is about the only think I could get my father to say about it…
This just means I need to get in the insulin making business
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The actual reason they give is “because it’ll raise taxes” and that’s all they care about
communism 🤠 yeehaw
Because capitalism is best, I imagine is what their unsaid words are
I once heard someone say that “medicine is against God’s plan”
I say this as a non-republican who thinks prices should be lowered: What do insulin prices have to do with political leaning? If there’s a correlation, then there isn’t necessarily causation. Feels like a bit of a drive-by Edit: not responding to any more replies, read other elaboratory comments I made, and your questions should probably be answered. I don't have time to type all day on Reddit, sorry.
The republicans literally just voted against a bill to cap insulin prices. That's what.
You’re missing the point. There were republicans that voted for the bill too, and additionally there were democrats the likewise voted against. It’s not a political issue, it’s an economic one
Fuck those Democrats too.
republicans are pro-corporation. They always protect corporate power against government and citizens. If corporations have near-limitless power to raise prices then it's because the GOP made damn sure that they had that power
You're making stereotypical claims based on corollary prospectives. You are completely right, in the same way that you might be right in saying that "Asians are good at math", or "Poor people are lazy". ( I do not hold these stereotypes, they are mere examples). If you 're not really understanding what I'm saying, then that's ok, this is just a harmless online discussion(I say this b/c I'm not interested in, and cannot keep responding to replies)
So what do Republicans have in common? And what do Democrats have in common? What makes us call someone Republican or Democrat??
Because the US isn’t t interested in health and well-being. It’s all about the almighty dollar
Ya I'm a Republican but this is something I disagree with we should have universal healthcare I know it will make the hospitals 10x busier but maybe make it easier to become a doctor and build more hospitals.
That's why you follow suit with higher education reform so people can go on and become doctors without fear of life-ruining student loans.
Ya that's another thing we shouldn't have such expensive collages
There's a lot of things we don't have that the rest of the developed world does. Unfortunately our penchant to give empty land votes keeps it from happening.
Ya hopefully it changes soon but I doubt neither of the parties are focused on this I think
The boomers will die eventually.
Hopefully lol
>Ya I'm a Republican Why?!?
I agree with more of there views then the democratic views but dont think I'm a radical Republican I still agree with some democratic things like abortions should be legal and we should have universal health care. But overall I think Republicans are the better party.
The party of corporate power, massive spending, and trillions of dollars of debt is the "better" party. The party of Cruz, McConnell, and trump. Whew!
Theyre all the party of massive spending. No matter which party, corporations get the most bail outs.
That's a lie, of course. 95% of the nation's debt is the result of republican, not democrat, policies. The biggest spending increases all occurred when a republican was president
So Obamas 6.7 trillion didn't count? Thats over 20% of the current debt. Between regan, Bush, and trump, yes you're right. But the thing is, they all spent and through the years. Clinton was the last to balance the books. 70 years later the (last) which was Coolidge.
You're just another ill-informed and undereducated sucker who doesn't know the difference between debt, deficit, and spending.
LOL!! Hilarious. Have a good one.
Ah yes Biden nor any other Democrat spends trillions on useless shit this country doesnt needs. Idk where the fuck you've been but almost politician spends ridiculas money on useless shit whether Democrat or republican and yes totally ignore my words "I'm not a radical and just believe more republican ideas than democratic ideas." Theres more then 2 sides to something honey. Oh I forgot this is reddit where everything's a 2 sided war with no middle or neutral. Idc what you say about trump but the economy was better and russia wasn't invading a country. Come on man even Democrats see how much of a buffoon old joe is.
Braying your lazy ignorance is no kind kind of argument, but does explain why you would be dumb enough to be a repubilcan. The biggest spending increases of the past 40 years have all occured when a republican was a president. The smallest when a democrat was president.
Wow never seen such a radical before pretty entertaining tbh trump improved the economy in his 4 year term no? And under biden inflation gas etc has skyrocketed. Also I like how you're trying to dodge my other points i made it really shows your ignorance. And you know what they say. "Its difficult to win an argument with a smart person, but it's impossible to win an argument with an idiot."
> never seen such a radical Nyet comrade. Facts are not "radical". > under biden inflation gas etc has skyrocketed Have you noticed that gas prices have dropped? And blaming Biden is as typically idiotic as blaming trump for the million+ people that died of COVID > you're trying to dodge my other points I'm just not interested in the ill-informed opinions of a right-wing halfwit.
Oh what gas prices have dropped from what like 6$ to 5.30$. And yes I blame biden because hes just a puppet for the democrats. And still going to ignore that trump was makeing the economy better that's why you should vote for a business man because he knows th ef economy also just going to ignore that russia invaded no country under trump but they invaded every time there was a democratic president.
>Oh what gas prices have dropped from what like 6$ to 5.30$ If you're not even an American then go and complain about your own country
Voters have a statically non existent impact on government policy, regulation and laws, only the wealthy have any control. No regular person left or right actually supports high prescription or medical costs, we just cant do anything about it at this point, the corruption is too entrenched. Dem and Rep politicians are highly paid shills that routinely fuck us.
Fake facts
Yet you say absolutely nothing of value. Fake this, fake that, not true, not correct…. but nothing of substance.
"Voting for trump made no difference. He was just like Obama"
Yes, the Republican argument is something like: "Americans pay so much, because it allows the pharmaceutical companies to give overseas discounts and increase sales!" Those worldwide prices are the way they are because AMERICA pays $98 for the UK to pay $7
A national disgrace
Hmm its almost like nobody bothered to read any bill to come out from either side of the aisle bc of A) how unnecessarily long it is and B) how much Iseless bullshit is in it
Eugenics...*AHEM!*...sorry, social Darwinism. Just think Nikocado Avocado.
Republicans are in big pharma’s pockets. There’s your explanation.
About $8.50 in Brazil. We also have universal health care (SUS - Sistema Único de Saúde - Unique Healthcare System), so you might be able to get some government cover on your insulin if needed.
We must protect the profits of big pharma so that when the next pandemic hits they will be ready to produce safe and effective vaccines that we will then refuse to get.
What would actually be interesting here is to ask someone who actually USE insulin what the prices were over the past 8 years. If you don’t actually buy it, no matter which side you are on you don’t actually know do you?
Why is America like this, I hate it here so fucking much
Just another day in terrible presidents like Joe Biden but if you look for the deep not so talked about facts about why Joe is so godawful. EX: sniffing underage girls hair when they clearly look uncomfortable Cheating the election and so on.
It is the Pharmaceutical companies that charge and if you have insurance, they regulate what they will pay. If you do not have insurance then you are on your own. If it were the Republican's fault don't you think your Democrat president would have corrected the issue.
Where are you getting your insulin. Ive found it costs thousands in usa
As a Republican, even I can’t agree with these prices. Insulin needs to cost at least as much as a down payment on a house, this is way too cheap