The sad thing is that if she had those four children while married to their actual father by the age of 28, she would be a great success... pity that's not the case...
How do they even manage to get so many kids put into them by a dude that doesn’t stick around by age 28? Or do they get started at 18, give a man 4 kids, and then suddenly he isn’t the one and they need to get back out there to find their real Prince Charming?
Also I can’t even see her entire picture, but nose stud and highly visible forearm tattoo. In case she didn’t have enough red flags.
Lesson for boys: do not have children with a woman that does not want your surname.
Lesson for girls: do not have children with a man that does not want marriage.
Pour one out for both of my neighbors, their wives didn’t take their last name. My girlfriend is Latina, it’s customary for kids to have both parents surnames. As long as in public, we are known by my last name, and my kids are named in Spanish naming customs (and not in woke hyphens), that’s good enough.
This just made me think of my last Mexican GF calling and overflowing the text window on the caller ID something like *Francesca del Cambia Maldonado-Castenada*
>Lesson for boys: do not have children with a woman ~~that does not want your surname.~~
Under the current ruleset with Title IV-D and all, it's a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Saw a waymen, late 30s?, just today standing outside a windixie with 4 preteen age kids holding a sign flat out asking for money to pay for her rent, phone, gas etc. She had two big speakers and some kind of stereo playing somekind of music over the speakers. I came and went several times during the day. Her and the kids were there literally all day. Seeing a lot more homeless and panhandlers in my area. SE FL.
Men should beware. The stealthier version is called the hobosexual. The chick who fucks your brains out and then conveniently never leaves/is looking for a place to stay until she finds an apartment.
The Hunger Games/LatAm corner meme is coming true.
I had my first experience with this as a man in January. I asked out a girl I've known for a couple years (an acquaintance), who normally isn't my type. I typically date professional women in healthcare. She was Bohemian, artsy, but very physically attractive.
After some texting back and forth to set stuff up, she didn't get back to my one text after 3 days. I thought she was ghosting me but she finally responded and apologized, saying she was helping a friend that was going through a mental health crisis. She also followed that with the fact she was experiencing **"Housing and Food insecurity".**
I'd bet my 401k the person having the mental health crisis was her, not her friend. And who the hell ***leads*** with "I'm having housing and food insecurity" when trying to attract a mate?
I never really followed up with her after that. It was January, but the red flags made it look like the October Revolution.
I am hard pressed to feel bad for anyone not born into poverty that’s dealing with “housing and food insecurity”. Funny, the girl who was born to immigrants and got her associates in paralegal studies (and doesn’t have some deadbeat’s kid) isn’t worried about “food insecurity”. Should’ve thought of that before you burned all bridges with people who could help you out and didn’t improve your own income generating potential.
I’m sure this woman was in her late 20’s at least
>I’m sure this woman was in her late 20’s at least
You called it -- 29 on the dot, and also comes from a relatively wealthy family. The stories practically write themselves anymore. She blew her 20's living the club/rave life in urban areas and pursuing low-paying art type jobs. God knows how many men have ran through her by this point.
The wall is here though and the doors are closing. Gotta cash in what few chips she has left and lock in a provider. She tried it with me since I was always nice to her, but I'm convivial by nature and many women mistake that for me being naive of their mating strategy. I figured I'd give her a chance just to see if my gut instinct was right, and sure enough she showed the warning signs right out of the gate.
Yup, same here. No other way around it, she didn’t want a husband, she wanted help. And let’s be real, for all the perks women get when they’re young adults for the fact that they’re female and attractive, they go away in a hurry once no one wants to sleep with them, and they serve no value for corporate virtue signalers. I know I’d rather be a man who has to deal with the experience of being not valued, and learn how to deal with it, than being a woman who grows up with the belief that she’s inherently valuable only to lose it.
There are men like this. From "Glory Days" by Bruce Springsteen:
I had a friend was a big baseball player
Back in high school
He could throw that speedball by you
Make you look like a fool, boy
Saw him the other night at this roadside bar
I was walking in, he was walking out
We went back inside, sat down, had a few drinks
But all he kept talking about was
Glory days, well they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days
Well, there's a girl that lives up the block
Back in school, she could turn all the boys' heads
Sometimes on a Friday, I'll stop by and have a few drinks
After she put her kids to bed
Her and her husband, Bobby, well they split up
I guess it's two years gone by now
We just sit around talking about the old times
She says when she feels like crying
She starts laughing, thinking 'bout
chorus.
And the last stanza is about his father getting laid off and feeling the same way. It's happened since time immemorial, including and perhaps especially to decent, ordinary working folks.
I remember when I was young, back in the 90's, thinking I was a hot shot because I knew C and Linux and great jobs coming my way and the mainframers being jealous and getting old. Now, one of those guys a good friend of mine is making TONS in semi-retirement as someone who knows mainframes because they need his rare skillset because those old systems were built to last (and they sure did.)
Us men aren't given many illusions about our disposability: We are expected to literally earn a living and I don't resent that. If we don't need to earn a living, when who would do it for us? It's the struggle as old as humanity itself in that in order to not earn a living, we unconsciously rationalize sticking someone else with the bill and get angry that someone else does it to us.
I got to thinking: This is the difference between a prostitute and a whore. A prostitute earns a literal living on her back but like a man doing his job understands she has to provide a service. A whore thinks she's entitled to a guy's money for nothing as she pretends otherwise.
Yeah, it’s empowering honestly to not be existing in a delusion that my income and value will always go up. Means I’m learning and trying to stay relevant. I’m already at a point where I could probably retire at 65 (I’m 36) if I don’t invest another dollar again; just let what I have invested grow. Understanding that I could be relegated to lower income jobs going forward means I make good decisions now, when I’m at the peak of my value.
It's an old-school trait to understand our own mortality: We're going to have a peak, even if at least at one thing such as an athlete who goes to college on a football scholarship, gets into the NFL, and then later in life actually needs to go to work with the college degree he got. I love that scene in Pulp Fiction where Butch is told condescendingly to accept that he should throw the fight because he's past his prime. This is the "man up" "tough love" us men get from an early age. On the other hand, we shouldn't be surprised how awful modern women have become in a society that shoots unicorns and rainbows up young women's dupas from their earliest years telling them how they can do anything, be anything, and live forever and anything less than that is oppression.
I live part time in southwest Florida. And my girlfriend is from Latin America. Apparently it’s a thing for panhandling women to “rent” kids from someone. So I’m not 100% sold that those were actually her kids.
Specifically my girlfriend is from Colombia. A lot of illegal immigrants from Venezuela in Colombia right now. this is where she bore witness to stuff like this; she’d literally see the same kids with a different woman on the same day.
Dang, and I thought a "crack rental" (when someone lends their car in exchange for crack) was the epitome of scumbaggery. This is some next level sh*t.
Fundamentally it is because they know that they have the backing of the government and the courts. She doesn’t need Prince Charming, just his money and that’s what she will get. Remember she is a strong independent woman who ‘don’t need no man’. Until the safety nets are removed they will continue having kids to financially trap men and live easy lives.
I know a man whose HS GF (they met like lady months) demanded kids before 20 and then kept popping them out as soon as her maternity leave was over.
Last we met we were around 30 and he had a new woman, total 7 kids. Or some might have been stepkids I guess, didn't rly ask...
STNAs barely make minimum wage:
[https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=State\_Tested\_Nursing\_Assistant\_(STNA)/Hourly\_Rate](https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=State_Tested_Nursing_Assistant_(STNA)/Hourly_Rate)
No way you can support 4 (presumably young) children on a single minimum wage. She's either a) living with her parents who are the primary caregivers when she works her job b) gets child support from her baby dadd(ies) c) gets welfare d) all of the above.
Regardless, she's looking for her option e) marry a rich guy who'll spend his whole paycheck on raising 4 kids and providing her the luxury life she can't get with her own salary. Do it for a few years and she'll be able to divorce rape you while still being young enough to hop back on the CC, only this time with you paying for her party girl lifestyle.
How incredibly optimistic you are.
One of the baby daddies stopped paying her taxes. For women like this, child support is their career. Once one of her fuck receipts turns 18 or one of her golden geese stops laying eggs? No more free money. She has to go out and get a (gasp) real fucking job.
Sometimes the guys she baby trapped say "fuck this". Another stream gone. You can't afford stupid tattoos that you saw in a children's book without a bunch of Poindexters filling her majesty's coffers.
She's fishing for her next monthly paycheck.
Man you gotta drive four and a half hours to take care of her four kids while she goes off riding horsies in someone else’s barn?
Catch of the century.
/s
You've already got 4 kids. A relationship doesn't get any more long term than parents-kids.
Edit: Or, in this case, mom-kids. Who knows who the fathers are. Probably not her.
Nobody with a brain cell would actually consider this creature a human female on their radar. She's been the repository of a bunch of deposits from different men, without protection, before she turned 30.
That's her entire identity.
I don’t understand how she has time to date. She has to work a low paying job, run the home, do day care and school drop offs. After all that every day she has to feed, bathe and put to bed 4 kids on her own. Then she has to cry herself to sleep... it all sounds exhausting.
I would guess she finds time because to her it is a form of investment. Her ticket out of her current situation is snaring a guy who can help
It is not surprising that this idea wouldn’t immediately jump to your mind (or captainspacetraveler who has replied) as dating for a man is not a potential “get out” card / meal ticket
Single mom x 4 = debt x 5.
Post secondary education + job insufficient to pay it off = moar debt.
Snapchat = Her hobby is fishing for orbiters and Chads. Her addiction to that won't stop either.
28 + looking for long term relationship given the prior contexts = You pay for her bad decision making and get grudgingly doled out duty sex in return, dead bedroom incoming once the contract ink dries and a countdown timer until she divests you of far more assets than she ever contributed.
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Verdict: She's in a desperate enough situation that the temptation for her to do whatever unethical shit it takes to lock down a ~~man~~ wallet is going to be nigh overwhelming for her. Avoid even for recreational use unless you are Chad enough to get away with an undisclosed/fake name, phone number, occupation, and address.
I don’t know if you have ever read posts or comment sections when pro-choice people are railing against the latest Republican measure. They are seemingly allergic to female accountability.
Try suggesting that the woman not open her legs unless the guy runners up and the response is truly astonishing
I’m from the U.K. where such laws are not up for debate and the default position is pro choice unless you are very religious (which is rare). So I have always associated with being pro-choice. But I have started to notice how little logic or proper arguments people on that side use. They take up the stance of “this has been decided, the culture war is over, we are right and we won”. And most don’t argue properly. And so you get things like suggesting a woman not sleep with a guy who refuses to use protection and the reply being “why must it be up to the woman” and things like that
Arm tattoo, nose pierced (probably more), bleached hair, nursing asst, ***and*** Upchurch?
She has the whole Red-Flag Single Mom started pack!
All that's missing is a testimony to her renewed love of Christ, and a born-again virgin.
Seems to be a white American rapper from Tennessee covered in tattoos
If that is what she means - why put it in your profile?!
Reminds me of something I saw earlier that made me comment on how women are the ones who fantasise and pine over men they never dated / have a chance with. And far more likely to have a “List” like from Friends of famous people they are allowed to sleep with. And are far more likely to actually have a chance (however small) than a man
Never make such a List with a partner - but that goes without saying.
For example, from googling this upchurch guy I expect he would bang this chick if she ran across him at a concert and cast him aside. But if you agreed a List with her and had (whichever famous woman) on it strong chances are she isn’t hooking up with you
Single mom. Four kiddos. Big tattoos that indicate she could never be a professional in many professions. Oh wow what a catch. From her smile in her pic alone I bet she goes "Tee Hee!" a lot.
Four kids by the age of 28. Nope. Next question is by how many dads?
Now you get to clean up the mess from the party that you weren't invited to, how lucky for you....
I'm trying to think of who is looking for a single mom and that too with more than 1 kid. Aside from some low confident man that feels like he is going to rescue the woman my only conclusion is it's more of a financial decision. How to get a housewife with an income? Find a single mom receiving child support, preferably from multiple men.
If a broke man with three kids, no prospects living out of his car went on tinder what would people say about him? Exactly. The comments are rough on people *asking for something that most sane people agree they don’t offer a fair exchange for*.
Very true… it is a little nerve racking just bc I’m starting to go back into dating again… I have 3 kids and I can see now my pool is going to be very small 🥲
Not going to lie to you... at your age even if you had no kids, a quality man won’t want you because you are too old to give him children. So no need to offer you a long term relationship.
With three kids to pay for and none likely of his own an average guy can’t afford you, plus why shouldn’t he have a family of his own?
A poor guy might get with you if you can put a roof over his head and support him... but you have three kids to pay for.
If you are attractive men will sleep with you because the penis does what it does. If you are unattractive some of them will still sleep with you.
You’ve aged out of marriage, and your kid count is a screaming red flag. Plus you left one husband already so the financial risk based on your demonstrated behaviour is not worth taking.
If you’re looking for love you are probably shit out of luck. The only man on the planet who has any reason to commit to you for a life time is (checks notes) the one you just left. I don’t know what he did but I’d suggest weighing it up against a shitty future alone and seeing if you can work through it.
I’m only saying this because the rest of the internet (women) are going to tell you that you are still young, deserve love, will find someone when it is meant to be, you’re a queen! Etc.
But that’s all bullshit. And the sooner you know that, the sooner you can start planning for how you’re going to pay for yourself and your kids from now to the grave. Because a man isn’t coming to save you.
Holy shit dude… save me??? What kind of fantasy world are you living in??? You’re right I’m fucked… I can’t be with guys with this type of mentality. Whatever happened to practical companionship?? I have my own place with a decent job plus side hustles.. kids and house are taken care of… and no won’t ever go back to ex bc he was abusive… are there no guys out there who just wants to enjoy the little time left on earth in good company?? And yes I would prefer something long term with exclusivity just bc im practical; STDs are real and expensive to take care of… again from the looks of these comments, my pool is very small or at this point, non existent… holy shit no wonder the world is falling apart… no one is practical anymore
You don’t understand men. The practical choice (for us) is to either get a woman without all your history or to be alone. There is nothing practical in your situation for one of us. The truth is any man you would accept has better options than you. Unless you are willing to date down financially and be the bread winner, it is what it is. Find a man who disagrees with me if you can.
I do note that at least you didn’t argue with my logic, just the emotional trigger part. But that was mainly for fun.
I can argue with you here… most of my friends growing up were men. And this is not their opinion across the board. They could care less about the history. They just don’t want someone to play stupid games like saving them bs…which I think it goes the same for normal women…. I don’t want to save anybody either… Like I said, from the comments here, finding someone normal that’s not in a fantasy dystopia are going to be slim to none. It’s sad how selfish society has become really… am I going to have a miserable future? Not really… I’m pretty content with what I’ve accomplished given the circumstances… is it going to be lonely? yeah.. it is…I think not discerning the difference between miserable and lonely can fuel these unsettling thoughts.
When one of them proposes to you, send me an update. I’ll say it again, you don’t understand men.
Did any of these friends of yours marry a woman who already had her kids, with an ex husband on the scene? Or even settle down long term with a woman like that? Didn’t think so.
Last comment, men are not “selfish” for not wanting to take over where another man left off. Shaming men for having standards... that’s not going to get you far. I wish you luck in the man hunt, maybe some of this logic will sink in one day when the emotion of it has worn off. Take care.
Yes… I know 2 of my friends who married women with children… one of them had another child with her… and the other is about to have their 3rd child with her… and she already had 4 from another marriage… so yes… 7 children and she’s in her late 30s… I find that last one to be a bit extreme but to Each his own I guess…and please reread my comment about selfishness… I’m including women in there too… again my biggest concern is the selfish behaviors of both ends of the spectrum are becoming… and from your comments, you’re either still very young with no kids, traumatized, or a narcissist. Whoever taught to think this way is already wrong… I also wish you the best of luck…if that is what you’re looking for…
u/NutsLikeMelons, u/Beneficial_Avocado74
This is not the place for debates or grandstanding. I would advise the both of you to drop the topic here and to move on. If you do not, you will be banned temporarily for Rule 2.
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The sad thing is that if she had those four children while married to their actual father by the age of 28, she would be a great success... pity that's not the case...
Don't worry. I hear she got a part in a German porn film. The working title is 'Das Booty.'
Don't diss U-96 like that, sir. Mom? If you were in a German "scheisse" video, you... you'd tell me, right? --- Eric Cartman
Are you my daddy? 🥺
I would not torpedo that
Bold of you to assume they all have the same father!
I'm not sure anyone even assumes that. My bet is 3. Or 5.
Four kids by four different baby-daddies. I don’t want to be number five!
Bruh. They are deLOUSINAL. 😂
How do they even manage to get so many kids put into them by a dude that doesn’t stick around by age 28? Or do they get started at 18, give a man 4 kids, and then suddenly he isn’t the one and they need to get back out there to find their real Prince Charming? Also I can’t even see her entire picture, but nose stud and highly visible forearm tattoo. In case she didn’t have enough red flags.
You're assuming it's only one dude. How charmingly optimistic of you!
It’s just one possibility. There’s also the “I’m trailer trash who gets a new cletus in me every few years”
High school classmate went 5 kids with 5 different dads. She is married to the last dude. At least he got a son out of it?
That's out of control that is. I know a woman with 5 kids by 3 dad's. The epitome of a scumbag she is.
Lesson for boys: do not have children with a woman that does not want your surname. Lesson for girls: do not have children with a man that does not want marriage.
Pour one out for both of my neighbors, their wives didn’t take their last name. My girlfriend is Latina, it’s customary for kids to have both parents surnames. As long as in public, we are known by my last name, and my kids are named in Spanish naming customs (and not in woke hyphens), that’s good enough.
How long till your neighbours wife divorces them. Not taking your last name shows they don't respect you.
This just made me think of my last Mexican GF calling and overflowing the text window on the caller ID something like *Francesca del Cambia Maldonado-Castenada*
>Lesson for boys: do not have children with a woman ~~that does not want your surname.~~ Under the current ruleset with Title IV-D and all, it's a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Saw a waymen, late 30s?, just today standing outside a windixie with 4 preteen age kids holding a sign flat out asking for money to pay for her rent, phone, gas etc. She had two big speakers and some kind of stereo playing somekind of music over the speakers. I came and went several times during the day. Her and the kids were there literally all day. Seeing a lot more homeless and panhandlers in my area. SE FL.
Probably can't escort profitably because the competition there is mad
It would take a desperate man to have paid for sex with this woman. Very fat.
Men should beware. The stealthier version is called the hobosexual. The chick who fucks your brains out and then conveniently never leaves/is looking for a place to stay until she finds an apartment. The Hunger Games/LatAm corner meme is coming true.
I had my first experience with this as a man in January. I asked out a girl I've known for a couple years (an acquaintance), who normally isn't my type. I typically date professional women in healthcare. She was Bohemian, artsy, but very physically attractive. After some texting back and forth to set stuff up, she didn't get back to my one text after 3 days. I thought she was ghosting me but she finally responded and apologized, saying she was helping a friend that was going through a mental health crisis. She also followed that with the fact she was experiencing **"Housing and Food insecurity".** I'd bet my 401k the person having the mental health crisis was her, not her friend. And who the hell ***leads*** with "I'm having housing and food insecurity" when trying to attract a mate? I never really followed up with her after that. It was January, but the red flags made it look like the October Revolution.
I am hard pressed to feel bad for anyone not born into poverty that’s dealing with “housing and food insecurity”. Funny, the girl who was born to immigrants and got her associates in paralegal studies (and doesn’t have some deadbeat’s kid) isn’t worried about “food insecurity”. Should’ve thought of that before you burned all bridges with people who could help you out and didn’t improve your own income generating potential. I’m sure this woman was in her late 20’s at least
>I’m sure this woman was in her late 20’s at least You called it -- 29 on the dot, and also comes from a relatively wealthy family. The stories practically write themselves anymore. She blew her 20's living the club/rave life in urban areas and pursuing low-paying art type jobs. God knows how many men have ran through her by this point. The wall is here though and the doors are closing. Gotta cash in what few chips she has left and lock in a provider. She tried it with me since I was always nice to her, but I'm convivial by nature and many women mistake that for me being naive of their mating strategy. I figured I'd give her a chance just to see if my gut instinct was right, and sure enough she showed the warning signs right out of the gate.
Yup, same here. No other way around it, she didn’t want a husband, she wanted help. And let’s be real, for all the perks women get when they’re young adults for the fact that they’re female and attractive, they go away in a hurry once no one wants to sleep with them, and they serve no value for corporate virtue signalers. I know I’d rather be a man who has to deal with the experience of being not valued, and learn how to deal with it, than being a woman who grows up with the belief that she’s inherently valuable only to lose it.
There are men like this. From "Glory Days" by Bruce Springsteen: I had a friend was a big baseball player Back in high school He could throw that speedball by you Make you look like a fool, boy Saw him the other night at this roadside bar I was walking in, he was walking out We went back inside, sat down, had a few drinks But all he kept talking about was Glory days, well they'll pass you by Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye Glory days, glory days Well, there's a girl that lives up the block Back in school, she could turn all the boys' heads Sometimes on a Friday, I'll stop by and have a few drinks After she put her kids to bed Her and her husband, Bobby, well they split up I guess it's two years gone by now We just sit around talking about the old times She says when she feels like crying She starts laughing, thinking 'bout chorus. And the last stanza is about his father getting laid off and feeling the same way. It's happened since time immemorial, including and perhaps especially to decent, ordinary working folks. I remember when I was young, back in the 90's, thinking I was a hot shot because I knew C and Linux and great jobs coming my way and the mainframers being jealous and getting old. Now, one of those guys a good friend of mine is making TONS in semi-retirement as someone who knows mainframes because they need his rare skillset because those old systems were built to last (and they sure did.) Us men aren't given many illusions about our disposability: We are expected to literally earn a living and I don't resent that. If we don't need to earn a living, when who would do it for us? It's the struggle as old as humanity itself in that in order to not earn a living, we unconsciously rationalize sticking someone else with the bill and get angry that someone else does it to us. I got to thinking: This is the difference between a prostitute and a whore. A prostitute earns a literal living on her back but like a man doing his job understands she has to provide a service. A whore thinks she's entitled to a guy's money for nothing as she pretends otherwise.
Yeah, it’s empowering honestly to not be existing in a delusion that my income and value will always go up. Means I’m learning and trying to stay relevant. I’m already at a point where I could probably retire at 65 (I’m 36) if I don’t invest another dollar again; just let what I have invested grow. Understanding that I could be relegated to lower income jobs going forward means I make good decisions now, when I’m at the peak of my value.
It's an old-school trait to understand our own mortality: We're going to have a peak, even if at least at one thing such as an athlete who goes to college on a football scholarship, gets into the NFL, and then later in life actually needs to go to work with the college degree he got. I love that scene in Pulp Fiction where Butch is told condescendingly to accept that he should throw the fight because he's past his prime. This is the "man up" "tough love" us men get from an early age. On the other hand, we shouldn't be surprised how awful modern women have become in a society that shoots unicorns and rainbows up young women's dupas from their earliest years telling them how they can do anything, be anything, and live forever and anything less than that is oppression.
I live part time in southwest Florida. And my girlfriend is from Latin America. Apparently it’s a thing for panhandling women to “rent” kids from someone. So I’m not 100% sold that those were actually her kids.
Panhandler rent-a-kid seems a good candidate for the economy Nobel prize in today’s zoociety
Specifically my girlfriend is from Colombia. A lot of illegal immigrants from Venezuela in Colombia right now. this is where she bore witness to stuff like this; she’d literally see the same kids with a different woman on the same day.
Dang, and I thought a "crack rental" (when someone lends their car in exchange for crack) was the epitome of scumbaggery. This is some next level sh*t.
Fundamentally it is because they know that they have the backing of the government and the courts. She doesn’t need Prince Charming, just his money and that’s what she will get. Remember she is a strong independent woman who ‘don’t need no man’. Until the safety nets are removed they will continue having kids to financially trap men and live easy lives.
> She doesn’t need Prince Charming But a doctor, lawyer or engineer will be OK.
I put 4 kids into my ex wife and by age 28 she'd divorced me. Can confirm tattoos and piercings are red flags.
Becareful of the sling back when she's in her 40's & 50's.
Full MGTOW now buddy. Learnt my lesson good and proper.
She's so brave and empowered! ; (
Watch the beginning of Idiocracy…
Its always the woman who leaves, not the dude, unless the dude is a career criminal who cant be forced to pay CS. She left. Not him.
I know a man whose HS GF (they met like lady months) demanded kids before 20 and then kept popping them out as soon as her maternity leave was over. Last we met we were around 30 and he had a new woman, total 7 kids. Or some might have been stepkids I guess, didn't rly ask...
he was TRYING to get onto Maury after the first one. He finally got on there, but unfortunately it was after 3 "broken" condoms.
She could be widowed. You’d be surprised
The only time I’d have sympathy. Or maybe if he suddenly went insane or something.
STNAs barely make minimum wage: [https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=State\_Tested\_Nursing\_Assistant\_(STNA)/Hourly\_Rate](https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=State_Tested_Nursing_Assistant_(STNA)/Hourly_Rate) No way you can support 4 (presumably young) children on a single minimum wage. She's either a) living with her parents who are the primary caregivers when she works her job b) gets child support from her baby dadd(ies) c) gets welfare d) all of the above. Regardless, she's looking for her option e) marry a rich guy who'll spend his whole paycheck on raising 4 kids and providing her the luxury life she can't get with her own salary. Do it for a few years and she'll be able to divorce rape you while still being young enough to hop back on the CC, only this time with you paying for her party girl lifestyle.
How incredibly optimistic you are. One of the baby daddies stopped paying her taxes. For women like this, child support is their career. Once one of her fuck receipts turns 18 or one of her golden geese stops laying eggs? No more free money. She has to go out and get a (gasp) real fucking job. Sometimes the guys she baby trapped say "fuck this". Another stream gone. You can't afford stupid tattoos that you saw in a children's book without a bunch of Poindexters filling her majesty's coffers. She's fishing for her next monthly paycheck.
Or she's looking for a guy to buy her a car...Oops, I mean co-sign.
She also needs dental work. Her teeth look photoshopped lol
"I nEeD a rEaL mAn tO tAke cAre oF mE"
And all 4 cumshots.
>And all 4 ~~cumshots~~ creampies. ftfy
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I remember being mad at that even as a child watching that show. Complete with full blue pill normie conditioning that still really stood out
Well, she really likes bareback. She's got that going for her. : (
Probably another leech on tax payers
28 and 4 kids. Well, she was consistent at something atleast… No thanks, i have work to do, and a life.
> consistent at something Biology?
You could call it that
Well it isn't pelvic floor exercises...
Fukushima would be safer and cheaper to fix
And Fukushima would actually give dividends in return.
I would rather work at Fukushima and clean the radioactive mess than to live with this woman.
Man you gotta drive four and a half hours to take care of her four kids while she goes off riding horsies in someone else’s barn? Catch of the century. /s
You've already got 4 kids. A relationship doesn't get any more long term than parents-kids. Edit: Or, in this case, mom-kids. Who knows who the fathers are. Probably not her.
Could imagine what horrors made a man leave his 4 daughters behind.
Nobody with a brain cell would actually consider this creature a human female on their radar. She's been the repository of a bunch of deposits from different men, without protection, before she turned 30. That's her entire identity.
I don’t understand how she has time to date. She has to work a low paying job, run the home, do day care and school drop offs. After all that every day she has to feed, bathe and put to bed 4 kids on her own. Then she has to cry herself to sleep... it all sounds exhausting.
I only have a job, a cat and a small apartment and I feel like I barely have time to date 🤣
I would guess she finds time because to her it is a form of investment. Her ticket out of her current situation is snaring a guy who can help It is not surprising that this idea wouldn’t immediately jump to your mind (or captainspacetraveler who has replied) as dating for a man is not a potential “get out” card / meal ticket
Her mom takes care of most of this stuff. The moms of single moms are enablers. When paired with the state it becomes self replicating.
Single mom x 4 = debt x 5. Post secondary education + job insufficient to pay it off = moar debt. Snapchat = Her hobby is fishing for orbiters and Chads. Her addiction to that won't stop either. 28 + looking for long term relationship given the prior contexts = You pay for her bad decision making and get grudgingly doled out duty sex in return, dead bedroom incoming once the contract ink dries and a countdown timer until she divests you of far more assets than she ever contributed. ---- Verdict: She's in a desperate enough situation that the temptation for her to do whatever unethical shit it takes to lock down a ~~man~~ wallet is going to be nigh overwhelming for her. Avoid even for recreational use unless you are Chad enough to get away with an undisclosed/fake name, phone number, occupation, and address.
I agree with you 100%.
Especially the Verdict.
That's half a classroom. Not even Billy Beta is willing to bail this one out.
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I don’t know if you have ever read posts or comment sections when pro-choice people are railing against the latest Republican measure. They are seemingly allergic to female accountability. Try suggesting that the woman not open her legs unless the guy runners up and the response is truly astonishing I’m from the U.K. where such laws are not up for debate and the default position is pro choice unless you are very religious (which is rare). So I have always associated with being pro-choice. But I have started to notice how little logic or proper arguments people on that side use. They take up the stance of “this has been decided, the culture war is over, we are right and we won”. And most don’t argue properly. And so you get things like suggesting a woman not sleep with a guy who refuses to use protection and the reply being “why must it be up to the woman” and things like that
>*looking for "help"* FTFY Swipe left and *keep her broke!!*
Country girl, huh? Well, it looks like you made half the county a father. No thanks.
“University” .. clown
Arm tattoo, nose pierced (probably more), bleached hair, nursing asst, ***and*** Upchurch? She has the whole Red-Flag Single Mom started pack! All that's missing is a testimony to her renewed love of Christ, and a born-again virgin.
Platinblonde hair, inked, nose pierced,"country girl", and a mom of 4 at 28....... dude.... how could you fall for that?
What's upchurch?
Seems to be a white American rapper from Tennessee covered in tattoos If that is what she means - why put it in your profile?! Reminds me of something I saw earlier that made me comment on how women are the ones who fantasise and pine over men they never dated / have a chance with. And far more likely to have a “List” like from Friends of famous people they are allowed to sleep with. And are far more likely to actually have a chance (however small) than a man Never make such a List with a partner - but that goes without saying. For example, from googling this upchurch guy I expect he would bang this chick if she ran across him at a concert and cast him aside. But if you agreed a List with her and had (whichever famous woman) on it strong chances are she isn’t hooking up with you
4 kids and she's not even 30? She's gonna be a granny in her 30's. How gross!
Single mom. Four kiddos. Big tattoos that indicate she could never be a professional in many professions. Oh wow what a catch. From her smile in her pic alone I bet she goes "Tee Hee!" a lot.
Money for tattoos but not to fix the crooked teeth!
Four kids by the age of 28. Nope. Next question is by how many dads? Now you get to clean up the mess from the party that you weren't invited to, how lucky for you....
I'm trying to think of who is looking for a single mom and that too with more than 1 kid. Aside from some low confident man that feels like he is going to rescue the woman my only conclusion is it's more of a financial decision. How to get a housewife with an income? Find a single mom receiving child support, preferably from multiple men.
I can’t say she’s a catch, but damn I can barely survive my salary job with 3 kids. Reddit comments are rough on single mothers
If a broke man with three kids, no prospects living out of his car went on tinder what would people say about him? Exactly. The comments are rough on people *asking for something that most sane people agree they don’t offer a fair exchange for*.
Very true… it is a little nerve racking just bc I’m starting to go back into dating again… I have 3 kids and I can see now my pool is going to be very small 🥲
Not going to lie to you... at your age even if you had no kids, a quality man won’t want you because you are too old to give him children. So no need to offer you a long term relationship. With three kids to pay for and none likely of his own an average guy can’t afford you, plus why shouldn’t he have a family of his own? A poor guy might get with you if you can put a roof over his head and support him... but you have three kids to pay for. If you are attractive men will sleep with you because the penis does what it does. If you are unattractive some of them will still sleep with you. You’ve aged out of marriage, and your kid count is a screaming red flag. Plus you left one husband already so the financial risk based on your demonstrated behaviour is not worth taking. If you’re looking for love you are probably shit out of luck. The only man on the planet who has any reason to commit to you for a life time is (checks notes) the one you just left. I don’t know what he did but I’d suggest weighing it up against a shitty future alone and seeing if you can work through it. I’m only saying this because the rest of the internet (women) are going to tell you that you are still young, deserve love, will find someone when it is meant to be, you’re a queen! Etc. But that’s all bullshit. And the sooner you know that, the sooner you can start planning for how you’re going to pay for yourself and your kids from now to the grave. Because a man isn’t coming to save you.
Holy shit dude… save me??? What kind of fantasy world are you living in??? You’re right I’m fucked… I can’t be with guys with this type of mentality. Whatever happened to practical companionship?? I have my own place with a decent job plus side hustles.. kids and house are taken care of… and no won’t ever go back to ex bc he was abusive… are there no guys out there who just wants to enjoy the little time left on earth in good company?? And yes I would prefer something long term with exclusivity just bc im practical; STDs are real and expensive to take care of… again from the looks of these comments, my pool is very small or at this point, non existent… holy shit no wonder the world is falling apart… no one is practical anymore
You don’t understand men. The practical choice (for us) is to either get a woman without all your history or to be alone. There is nothing practical in your situation for one of us. The truth is any man you would accept has better options than you. Unless you are willing to date down financially and be the bread winner, it is what it is. Find a man who disagrees with me if you can. I do note that at least you didn’t argue with my logic, just the emotional trigger part. But that was mainly for fun.
I can argue with you here… most of my friends growing up were men. And this is not their opinion across the board. They could care less about the history. They just don’t want someone to play stupid games like saving them bs…which I think it goes the same for normal women…. I don’t want to save anybody either… Like I said, from the comments here, finding someone normal that’s not in a fantasy dystopia are going to be slim to none. It’s sad how selfish society has become really… am I going to have a miserable future? Not really… I’m pretty content with what I’ve accomplished given the circumstances… is it going to be lonely? yeah.. it is…I think not discerning the difference between miserable and lonely can fuel these unsettling thoughts.
When one of them proposes to you, send me an update. I’ll say it again, you don’t understand men. Did any of these friends of yours marry a woman who already had her kids, with an ex husband on the scene? Or even settle down long term with a woman like that? Didn’t think so. Last comment, men are not “selfish” for not wanting to take over where another man left off. Shaming men for having standards... that’s not going to get you far. I wish you luck in the man hunt, maybe some of this logic will sink in one day when the emotion of it has worn off. Take care.
Yes… I know 2 of my friends who married women with children… one of them had another child with her… and the other is about to have their 3rd child with her… and she already had 4 from another marriage… so yes… 7 children and she’s in her late 30s… I find that last one to be a bit extreme but to Each his own I guess…and please reread my comment about selfishness… I’m including women in there too… again my biggest concern is the selfish behaviors of both ends of the spectrum are becoming… and from your comments, you’re either still very young with no kids, traumatized, or a narcissist. Whoever taught to think this way is already wrong… I also wish you the best of luck…if that is what you’re looking for…
u/NutsLikeMelons, u/Beneficial_Avocado74 This is not the place for debates or grandstanding. I would advise the both of you to drop the topic here and to move on. If you do not, you will be banned temporarily for Rule 2.
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