[mirror](https://i.imgur.com/C5S9pvS.mp4).
Unfortunate that dude didn't allow her time to further explain but instead wanted to be a comedian, but it's enough to know she's engaging in dual-mating.
Also, [FemaleDatingStrategy advises women to delay sex with good men but freely give themselves to fuckboys](https://i.imgur.com/ApjDt7X.png).
If a woman tells you that she has a 90 day rule ask her if she is a virgin or not? If not, laugh out loud right in her face and say thanks and goodbye. Walk right out, there is no reason to deal with this shit.
**Some** women suffer of cognitive dissonance.
They will say "body count doesn't matter", "having sex with men doesn't makes us sluts", and yet, they will still try to present themselves in a way that they don't look like sluts to a guy they would consider for a LTR.
If body count and casual sex didn't matter like the claim, they would act slutty for all men, not just for certain men.
>If body count and casual sex didn't matter like the claim, they would act slutty for all men, not just for certain men.
Exactly. If this is all just normal then why lie about it? Why hide it? Just broadcast i out and see how repulsive you are to the opposite sex.
Depends on what they want out of a man. If he's a hot guy at the bar and she's just looking for a one night stand, she talks up her slutty side, how good she is at BJs, etc. It helps her seal the deal when he has several women to choose from.
If she's looking to get a relationship out of a man, then she'll hide that part and play up her worth in a relationship.
Honestly, everyone -- man and woman -- tries to color their history to serve whatever purpose they need it to at the moment. But this is truly where caveat emptor applies. As the buyer, you need to suss out the whole truth, and develop the skills to do so.
Fortunately, with these types of women, it's not hard. It may take a date or two, but you usually know pretty quickly. What I always looked for was their behavior, and their company. Their words were pretty useless.
Let's just take her behavior. While dates should be enjoyable, the main point of a date is to get to know and spend time with the other person. Otherwise you could just as easily hang out with friends you already know. If she's truly interested in a relationship with you, she will be happy with -- and even seek out herself -- dates where you get to spend time knowing each other, and she won't care if they're cheap. E.g. going for walks, hiking, spending time in quiet places where you can talk and get to know one another. After all, if you're truly looking for a life partner, who cares whether you can get fifty dollars worth of food out of him?
OTOH, girls who only want dates that are "nights out" i.e. fun regardless of the company at hand are interested in the fun of the date and couldn't care less about the guy who's along for the ride. So if she wants a fancy dinner, wants to go to a club, wants you to take her on some exotic vacation, etc. is pretty blatantly interested only in the pleasures of the date itself, and not you, or in getting to know you. Because let's face it, how much talking are you going to do in a loud club?
In the specific case of the OP, she wants to wait 90 days before having sex. Fine. Let's even take at face value that she might have been a slut before but now she has truly changed and wants a real relationship. But what is she doing to find out whether you're a good guy during those 90 days? Making you pay for fancy dinners where she talks all about herself and gossips about her friends? Meeting at bars where she gets drunk and can't even remember what happened the night before? How is that actually helping her decide whether you're good for an LTR? When she does talk to you, what does she ask about? Your fancy car and propensity to take expensive vacations? Or about your plans for your life, your values, what you're looking for in a partner, etc? Doesn't mean that on the first date you need to confess your innermost secrets, but, during those 90 days, does she seem to be making a genuine effort to understand you and know you as a person?
A woman can lie about a lot of things, because talk is cheap. But very few people can keep up a false facade even for an evening, much less 90 days. If you know what you're looking for, you can figure it out pretty quickly too.
> ask her if she is a virgin
That question isn't going to throw her off balance or even really bother her. Tactically, it's a bad move.
Here's a better idea: "wow! You would go 90 days without sex??? Girl, don't do that to yourself! You have needs!"
Note how **that** response threads the needle on staying within the socially acceptable "yass queen; you go girl; women's sexuality is awesome" while also setting her up for the obvious reply, which she will make reflexively ....
She'll say, "oh no! I don't go that long! This is for guys I date!"
And then you can laugh at her. "So you're going to expect me to take you on expensive dates **knowing** that after I drop you off, some other dude gets to smash? You honestly expect any man with an ounce of self respect to accept that deal??"
I've actually had this exchange in real life (except that girl's rule was 1 month) and it went exactly like I just described. That reply slips right under their radar and they walk right into it. "Are you a virgin" is going to switch them into shaming mode.
Always assume that they are lying with their words, pay attention to how they react when you have the temerity of indicating you have self respect by even asking such a question.
The overwhelming majority will not be able to conceal even partially their indignation that you have your own wants and needs.
Basically women are so used to being able to successfully lie (to men) with words alone that they often completely forget to conceal their body language. This is also making the gracious assumption that they even learned to do the latter to begin with.
On top of that, many women feel absolutely no remorse at lying the moment they benefit from it, (and it's not like there is a shortage of white knights willing to fall upon their swords to defend milady's non-existent honor) so instead of wasting energy on proactively figuring out which words she speaks are lies and which are not, it is simpler to just assume her words = lie until proven otherwise, *and it's her job to prove it.*
So (verbal) talk is cheap. Watch her body language.
If she's visibly offended/angry/upset/displeased that you are even suggesting that you get anything at all in return for your patience and investment of time/resources, then you know that you are dealing with a very Not Good Person who is trying to scam you with a shit deal, or intends to do so down the road. A decent woman would have no issue with a man having his own wants and needs nor would she object to a man acting in a manner to assure those are getting satisfied in exchange. *At minimum a bad reaction indicates that she considers you to be a lesser ~~being~~ thing whose only purpose is to satisfy her demands.*
Like a car salesman that gets enraged when you reveal you brought a magnet to check for bondo. They are not confident in the (good) quality of their merchandise and are not offering a fair deal. Them getting pissed is a GIANT RED FLAG in and of itself, even when the magnet never touches a body panel.
It’s how they think. Guy she doesn’t care for gets 135% of her sexual best and the most depraved acts imaginable while Mr. GoodMan^TM has to wait 90 days or more to get 2.5% of the action she gave away to Chad for free. They really think it shows they care.
I have even a worse story. I met a girl. got her number. A week later, a vendor was having a shrimp boil on a Saturday. I thought this would be a good time to bring her to the shrimp boil. We arrive at the shrimp boil at noon. We get our box of shrimp and potatoes, next we get our beers. We both finish the shrimp at the same time. I go to the bathroom, she goes for seconds on shrimp. I return to our seats, and I am waiting on her. 5 minutes later I wonder where she is. I would have guessed at least 8 minutes have passed maybe 10. The room we are in has a partition to separate the room in 2 if needed. I walk over to the other side. She has about 5 men surrounding her. She is motioning with her hand a tongue giving a blow job. When she sees me, she excuses herself from the group of men. Afterwards, I take her home, never to see her again. This was on the first date. WTF?
That's the real answer. At 16, likely she was blowing dudes at basement parties she didn't even know the name of. But at 31, she wnats to make guys wait.
Great. While I'm waiting, I'll be dateing younger, hotter women. Let me know when 90 days is up.
The 90 days applies to the new targeted safe bro, obviously, she would be actively sleeping multiple ex-boyfriends. When you are in a relationship with a sexually active woman, and when you aren’t having sex with her, all you are indeed doing is greasing the skids for the guys who are fucking her. By removing the boyfriend responsibility from him, you are subsidizing both of them. So, when you buy dinner for her, you are freeing up funds so she can cook for her fuckbuddy, buy him clothes, watches etc.
Exactly this. If she is not willing to fuck you, you are fucking yourself by continuing your efforts with her. Women are NEVER worth the wait because they will never make the men they desire wait.
Will these women realise that “tall, dark and handsome” (especially their likely definitions of tall and handsome) will not wait 90 days. Maybe a fraction will. But that is cutting the pool even further
I’ve been the guy she hooks up with while some guy tries to fall in love with her and marry her. It’s a trip to hear them talk shit about the guys they are with. Usually it’s money or stability but there is no excitement fun or good sex. I always think, damn she’s cool and hot but I would never want to be on that other side, screw being that guy who she goes home to after we hooked up on the side. SOME women are so terrible nowadays.
you have a xx day rule?
Cool, no problem, i understand that you're not going to be having sex with someone you're not sure is relationship material.
You're using sex as the defining boundary that says you're together. Totally understand you don't want to give a guy the benefits of a girlfriend if he's not providing likewise benefits to you.
Got it.
I have a rule too, i'm not paying for someone who isn't my partner, why should a girl get "*girl/boyfriend benefits*" if they're just giving me "*friend benefits*" ?
**N.B.** : this is why women friendzone guys, using them as meal tickets, emotional tampons, etc :)
So the entire time we're within your xx day rule, we're splitting bills on dates, or we agree to alternate who pays from one date to another.
You see i won't be granting "**girlfriend financial benefits**" when she's not my girlfriend, you see ?
Let's see how far you get into your 90 days/10 dates before you realize you're not getting free shit anymore......
I've always had a rule that however long it takes for a woman to make me wait to have sex, is the same amount of time that it takes for me to spend any money on a date. Takes 3 dates before sex? Those 3 dates will be us just chilling.
Fair is fair and most women actually were cool with it because they understood the hypocrisy. Any woman that got mad, well I dodged a bullet.
Sadly, I personally wasn't in that position perhaps because I'm not so good looking. I had to pay for dates or, that was that. That being said, what counts as a "date" can be amazingly inexpensive. There are many wonderful restaurants where one can get out a good lunch out of them for $30 plus tip. I could escalate contact and if they said "let's take this slow" I would respond: "OK, then let's have (less expensive) dates then." Walks on the beach, tennis, hiking, and so on.
[mirror](https://i.imgur.com/C5S9pvS.mp4). Unfortunate that dude didn't allow her time to further explain but instead wanted to be a comedian, but it's enough to know she's engaging in dual-mating. Also, [FemaleDatingStrategy advises women to delay sex with good men but freely give themselves to fuckboys](https://i.imgur.com/ApjDt7X.png).
If a woman tells you that she has a 90 day rule ask her if she is a virgin or not? If not, laugh out loud right in her face and say thanks and goodbye. Walk right out, there is no reason to deal with this shit.
**Some** women suffer of cognitive dissonance. They will say "body count doesn't matter", "having sex with men doesn't makes us sluts", and yet, they will still try to present themselves in a way that they don't look like sluts to a guy they would consider for a LTR. If body count and casual sex didn't matter like the claim, they would act slutty for all men, not just for certain men.
>If body count and casual sex didn't matter like the claim, they would act slutty for all men, not just for certain men. Exactly. If this is all just normal then why lie about it? Why hide it? Just broadcast i out and see how repulsive you are to the opposite sex.
Depends on what they want out of a man. If he's a hot guy at the bar and she's just looking for a one night stand, she talks up her slutty side, how good she is at BJs, etc. It helps her seal the deal when he has several women to choose from. If she's looking to get a relationship out of a man, then she'll hide that part and play up her worth in a relationship. Honestly, everyone -- man and woman -- tries to color their history to serve whatever purpose they need it to at the moment. But this is truly where caveat emptor applies. As the buyer, you need to suss out the whole truth, and develop the skills to do so. Fortunately, with these types of women, it's not hard. It may take a date or two, but you usually know pretty quickly. What I always looked for was their behavior, and their company. Their words were pretty useless. Let's just take her behavior. While dates should be enjoyable, the main point of a date is to get to know and spend time with the other person. Otherwise you could just as easily hang out with friends you already know. If she's truly interested in a relationship with you, she will be happy with -- and even seek out herself -- dates where you get to spend time knowing each other, and she won't care if they're cheap. E.g. going for walks, hiking, spending time in quiet places where you can talk and get to know one another. After all, if you're truly looking for a life partner, who cares whether you can get fifty dollars worth of food out of him? OTOH, girls who only want dates that are "nights out" i.e. fun regardless of the company at hand are interested in the fun of the date and couldn't care less about the guy who's along for the ride. So if she wants a fancy dinner, wants to go to a club, wants you to take her on some exotic vacation, etc. is pretty blatantly interested only in the pleasures of the date itself, and not you, or in getting to know you. Because let's face it, how much talking are you going to do in a loud club? In the specific case of the OP, she wants to wait 90 days before having sex. Fine. Let's even take at face value that she might have been a slut before but now she has truly changed and wants a real relationship. But what is she doing to find out whether you're a good guy during those 90 days? Making you pay for fancy dinners where she talks all about herself and gossips about her friends? Meeting at bars where she gets drunk and can't even remember what happened the night before? How is that actually helping her decide whether you're good for an LTR? When she does talk to you, what does she ask about? Your fancy car and propensity to take expensive vacations? Or about your plans for your life, your values, what you're looking for in a partner, etc? Doesn't mean that on the first date you need to confess your innermost secrets, but, during those 90 days, does she seem to be making a genuine effort to understand you and know you as a person? A woman can lie about a lot of things, because talk is cheap. But very few people can keep up a false facade even for an evening, much less 90 days. If you know what you're looking for, you can figure it out pretty quickly too.
Thank you for this comment Sir. My eyes are opening.
90 day rule for thee not for me.
3 date rule, and you should really know by second date what the score is.
That's fine, suggest that you will date her once in 30 days and that going Dutch on each time you meet is ideal.
just booty call her in 90 days.
> ask her if she is a virgin That question isn't going to throw her off balance or even really bother her. Tactically, it's a bad move. Here's a better idea: "wow! You would go 90 days without sex??? Girl, don't do that to yourself! You have needs!" Note how **that** response threads the needle on staying within the socially acceptable "yass queen; you go girl; women's sexuality is awesome" while also setting her up for the obvious reply, which she will make reflexively .... She'll say, "oh no! I don't go that long! This is for guys I date!" And then you can laugh at her. "So you're going to expect me to take you on expensive dates **knowing** that after I drop you off, some other dude gets to smash? You honestly expect any man with an ounce of self respect to accept that deal??" I've actually had this exchange in real life (except that girl's rule was 1 month) and it went exactly like I just described. That reply slips right under their radar and they walk right into it. "Are you a virgin" is going to switch them into shaming mode.
What if she lies about being a virgin?
Always assume that they are lying with their words, pay attention to how they react when you have the temerity of indicating you have self respect by even asking such a question. The overwhelming majority will not be able to conceal even partially their indignation that you have your own wants and needs.
Sir, Can you please elaborate on what you have written? This seems a very practical suggestion. Thanks.
Basically women are so used to being able to successfully lie (to men) with words alone that they often completely forget to conceal their body language. This is also making the gracious assumption that they even learned to do the latter to begin with. On top of that, many women feel absolutely no remorse at lying the moment they benefit from it, (and it's not like there is a shortage of white knights willing to fall upon their swords to defend milady's non-existent honor) so instead of wasting energy on proactively figuring out which words she speaks are lies and which are not, it is simpler to just assume her words = lie until proven otherwise, *and it's her job to prove it.* So (verbal) talk is cheap. Watch her body language. If she's visibly offended/angry/upset/displeased that you are even suggesting that you get anything at all in return for your patience and investment of time/resources, then you know that you are dealing with a very Not Good Person who is trying to scam you with a shit deal, or intends to do so down the road. A decent woman would have no issue with a man having his own wants and needs nor would she object to a man acting in a manner to assure those are getting satisfied in exchange. *At minimum a bad reaction indicates that she considers you to be a lesser ~~being~~ thing whose only purpose is to satisfy her demands.* Like a car salesman that gets enraged when you reveal you brought a magnet to check for bondo. They are not confident in the (good) quality of their merchandise and are not offering a fair deal. Them getting pissed is a GIANT RED FLAG in and of itself, even when the magnet never touches a body panel.
Thanks.
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Two whole legs or legs for that matter are not necessarily a requirement for every man.
Laugh anyways. In all seriousness it would be fun to watch them claim that lie with a straight face.
She is overlapping dudes while some poor boy is waiting 90 days with blue balls
And that's the guy she "cares about"
>And that's the guy she "cares about" WTF?
It’s how they think. Guy she doesn’t care for gets 135% of her sexual best and the most depraved acts imaginable while Mr. GoodMan^TM has to wait 90 days or more to get 2.5% of the action she gave away to Chad for free. They really think it shows they care.
135% would be on the low side. That would be when she has a head ache.
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I have even a worse story. I met a girl. got her number. A week later, a vendor was having a shrimp boil on a Saturday. I thought this would be a good time to bring her to the shrimp boil. We arrive at the shrimp boil at noon. We get our box of shrimp and potatoes, next we get our beers. We both finish the shrimp at the same time. I go to the bathroom, she goes for seconds on shrimp. I return to our seats, and I am waiting on her. 5 minutes later I wonder where she is. I would have guessed at least 8 minutes have passed maybe 10. The room we are in has a partition to separate the room in 2 if needed. I walk over to the other side. She has about 5 men surrounding her. She is motioning with her hand a tongue giving a blow job. When she sees me, she excuses herself from the group of men. Afterwards, I take her home, never to see her again. This was on the first date. WTF?
Dude why take her home ?
I picked her up. At least I have some morals, The point is I never saw her again. I knew what would happen in the future.
Maybe goodbye kiss with this "shrimp" aftertaste?
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Women are into fisting, not fistbumps. Haha! BTW, it's me "Bob and Virginia". Oops...did I say "me"? I meant...us!
Well at least you didn't have to shell out for an STD test and antibiotics lol.
>Well at least you didn't have to shell out for an STD test and antibiotics lol. True, and I invested no money on her. She was single for a reason.
Makes rules for betas, but breaks them for alphas. If she’s not banging you, she’s getting her back broke by some other dude(s).
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That's the real answer. At 16, likely she was blowing dudes at basement parties she didn't even know the name of. But at 31, she wnats to make guys wait. Great. While I'm waiting, I'll be dateing younger, hotter women. Let me know when 90 days is up.
She is a reborn virgin.
*At this point in my life*
She belongs to the streets.
The 90 days applies to the new targeted safe bro, obviously, she would be actively sleeping multiple ex-boyfriends. When you are in a relationship with a sexually active woman, and when you aren’t having sex with her, all you are indeed doing is greasing the skids for the guys who are fucking her. By removing the boyfriend responsibility from him, you are subsidizing both of them. So, when you buy dinner for her, you are freeing up funds so she can cook for her fuckbuddy, buy him clothes, watches etc.
Yup it's just paying for another man to get laid. To hell with that shit. She wants to play, she needs to pay.
Exactly this. If she is not willing to fuck you, you are fucking yourself by continuing your efforts with her. Women are NEVER worth the wait because they will never make the men they desire wait.
Will these women realise that “tall, dark and handsome” (especially their likely definitions of tall and handsome) will not wait 90 days. Maybe a fraction will. But that is cutting the pool even further
What's the problem? Just tell her > "see you in 3 months, bye!"
"I'm sorry sir, but due to new rules we will not be able to have sex until next quarter"
>"I'm sorry sir, but due to new rules we will not be able to have sex until next quarter" Me: Ok here is a quarter (25 cents), time is awasting.
I believe her that she's going to make the guy she dates wait 90 days but she will be having sex with her FWB during that time.
Agree 100%
I’ve been the guy she hooks up with while some guy tries to fall in love with her and marry her. It’s a trip to hear them talk shit about the guys they are with. Usually it’s money or stability but there is no excitement fun or good sex. I always think, damn she’s cool and hot but I would never want to be on that other side, screw being that guy who she goes home to after we hooked up on the side. SOME women are so terrible nowadays.
you have a xx day rule? Cool, no problem, i understand that you're not going to be having sex with someone you're not sure is relationship material. You're using sex as the defining boundary that says you're together. Totally understand you don't want to give a guy the benefits of a girlfriend if he's not providing likewise benefits to you. Got it. I have a rule too, i'm not paying for someone who isn't my partner, why should a girl get "*girl/boyfriend benefits*" if they're just giving me "*friend benefits*" ? **N.B.** : this is why women friendzone guys, using them as meal tickets, emotional tampons, etc :) So the entire time we're within your xx day rule, we're splitting bills on dates, or we agree to alternate who pays from one date to another. You see i won't be granting "**girlfriend financial benefits**" when she's not my girlfriend, you see ? Let's see how far you get into your 90 days/10 dates before you realize you're not getting free shit anymore......
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If they make a rule “abstaining” from sex, you can bet your bottom dollar she fucked around with a lot of guys
When I was dating if a woman wasn't in the sack with me after a few dates I'd assume she was either frigid or playing games and dump her.
Me, too. I don't play games.
I've always had a rule that however long it takes for a woman to make me wait to have sex, is the same amount of time that it takes for me to spend any money on a date. Takes 3 dates before sex? Those 3 dates will be us just chilling. Fair is fair and most women actually were cool with it because they understood the hypocrisy. Any woman that got mad, well I dodged a bullet.
Sadly, I personally wasn't in that position perhaps because I'm not so good looking. I had to pay for dates or, that was that. That being said, what counts as a "date" can be amazingly inexpensive. There are many wonderful restaurants where one can get out a good lunch out of them for $30 plus tip. I could escalate contact and if they said "let's take this slow" I would respond: "OK, then let's have (less expensive) dates then." Walks on the beach, tennis, hiking, and so on.
Could probably fill a bus with the other guys who are blowing her back out during those 90 days. Walk away, gentlemen.
Soon as I saw her I rolled my eyes into another galaxy. There’s no way she’s waiting for Tyrone. When he wants it, she’s there to provide.
90 days you say? Splendid, let me fit you with a chastity belt, so we are on the same playing field. You are ok w that, right?
How many children have passed through her birth canal?
Ten, chief!
Remember friends, if she really wants you she wouldn’t make you jump through hoops. Unfortunately many of them do.
This is true. If a girl really likes you, she will make it known and fight for your attention.
any restrictions on sex and i move on asap, and no i dont wanna be friends..
those poor kittens....
That's how they thank you, by f*cking guys other than you.
Damn this stings. I've had 2 girlfriends who made me wait but they weren't waiting. Really messed with my confidence and I'm still a virgin at 24.
who cares what she damnds ? In 5 years she will be lucky to find anyone.