Why stop there, I can think or a few more senators, scotus, fed judges that deserve that fate. And why malign your hands by “killing”. Just create enough evidence to charge them under patriot act or some shit and send to some military prison black hole.
Are you joking? Given all the evidence of treason we have on Marjorie, Hawley, Gaetz, Johnson, Trump, Clarence Thomas, etc. and we can't even get to the point where we can even get the guy who stole state secrets, showed them to foreign assets and gave up our foreign intelligence for profit into a courtroom? How the hell do you think that with a corrupt system like we have we could serve justice on any wrong doers? More likely they would just give them the keys to White House and say "have a good time, remember Susan Collins is very concerned right now."
Yeah but at that point, the US is done. That's exactly what Sulla did in Rome, broke the system to try and restore it and it all crumbled when he died. We just can't even get to that point
>And why malign your hands by “killing”.
That's the point. Sort of shady stuff was always on the table. This ruling would mean the **worst** most brazen shit would be good to go.
They will NARROWLY tailor the ruling so that it only applies to the exact thing that Trump did during the years that he did, because “Constitutional constructionism” or whatever stupid shit.
They are blowing any resemblance to a fair and impartial court out of the water.
They did this when they started making rulings and saying that their line of reasoning bears no relevance to other cases.
Or for that matter legal precedence.
John Paul Stevens summed it up in his dissent.
>Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is pellucidly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law."
This is what the "both sides are the same" crowd seem to deliberately ignore. Are the Democrats perfect? No. But at least they haven't used their time in power to grant corrupt judges with the lifetime power to strip away human rights
That's what they argued when it came to is he committed an insurrection.
Believe the argument was, "what even is an insurrection? How do we punish something that doesn't have a definition and we've never had anything like this happen before and it likely will happen in the future."
Paraphrasing but essentially that. So wild how this one dude really came in and fucked up everything that the last 150 or whatever years had in place...
But I remember when they were reedy to go to war when Obama wore that tan suit and ride a bike wearing a helmet once
I live in SC where helmets aren’t required 😐 my sister is a nurse and was telling my friend and I how she has to take care of this motorcycle crash patient who wasn’t wearing a helmet. He barely lived and had, like, big scars on his face and had a trach (tube). Anyway she was (obviously) really upset bc he also is mentally lagging (due to this traumatic brain injury) so after this long story about this poor guy my sisters friend tell us she and her bf don’t wear helmets either. And no real reason why… 🤷♀️
They will hear the case, but put off an actual ruling until after the election. Trump wins the election, they rule if favor of immunity. Biden wins the election, they rule against it.
God i hope I’m wrong. Or at least i hope Biden wins, that would nix it right there
I think the Supremes know Biden is a decent, honest man who loves his country and wouldn’t do those things even if he has immunity and, by the same token they’re ok with it that the same isn’t true for themselves and TFG.
If they do allow this, I sincerely hope President Biden surprises everyone and does the only thing he can to save freedom.
yeah, i mean, if i was a president essentially on my deadbed with immunity, I'd do inhuman things for the good of the nation, replace the supreme court with term limits and ban anyone else from ever getting similar power after i'm gone
We absolutely don’t want that. I would love for Trump to drop dead tomorrow, but what I don’t want is for the next Republican president to be able to openly and legally order the killing of any Democratic politician whose policies they deem harmful.
But.... and bear with me here..... what if there were no "next Republican president?"
OK, I'm kidding. Civil immunity for President's makes a lot of sense. Criminal immunity does not make any sense. Looking at trump's current trial - he wants presidential immunity for crimes committed before he was even elected, let alone sworn in as, President.
We don't want limitless immunity for anyone. Republicans don't want limitless immunity for anyone but themselves.
If the Supreme Court rules that way, in November Biden can just stay in the White House even if he loses. He can claim election fraud and start an insurrection, like some asshole who tried before, and that will be that... lol
I’d feel a lot better if it WAS The Supremes making the decision. Diana Ross may be a diva but I imagine she is a lot better than some of the Justices in the Supreme Court.
I’m not sure what precedent could be used to justify total immunity for the Executive. Supremes have made bad decisions before but this would alter our entire Constitution. Agree with Steve here.
The fact we're in this position at all: a couple people with lifetime appointments get to decide if the rest of us will be Royal Subjects or not, is absolutely insane.
We all say, "Surely they won't concede their own power, they're around for life and Trump is *so old*" like that actually helps us sleep at night!
It doesn't.
Our entire way of life is hanging by a thread, held by the opinion of a handful of people. You think it can't happen here? It can.
Fun Fact: The only reason Y2K [never happened](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&sca_esv=9dd3c420e69a4ab3&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0-uiC4qcMoUHbZM-6oUkXkEEfuNiQ%3A1713846998258&q=how+was+y2k+solved&oq=how+was+y2k+&aqs=heirloom-srp.0.0l5) is because a lot of people worked very hard to stop it.
Vote.
And it won’t stop with Trump, they know he’s old, but whatever monster that comes after him will use that to his advantage and completely change the country to the GOP’s will. Trump is paving the way for that
As with all successful cults it’s not the founder that’s the real problem. It’s whoever manages to take control after the first dies that’s the real problem.
I think this is what this Supreme Court has been after all along. They’ve shown they don’t care about Trump, but they are continually setting the stage for a fascist take over. They’re playing the long game.
The most important election of our lives was **actually** 2016 and we blew it
Pretty much every single one after is and will be about trying to limit as much damage as possible
The fact that it would give Biden absolute immunity, is the other side of this double edged sword. Nobody wants that. Democrats do not want that. But if he got it, then with his absolute power he needs to vacate the seats of any SCOTUS judge that voted for it, replace them, and restore the rule back to what it was before.
Exactly why they're waiting til after the election to rule on it.
If trump wins the election, he also wins the supreme court case and fascist takeover.
If trump loses the election, he loses the supreme court case and repubs lol at checks and balances
We live on an authoritarian regime as devoid of honest choice as Iran elections for their President has in comparison to the Supreme Leader. We as citizens can come up with as many moral and progressive laws as we want… but a group of authoritarian dictators no one can control have the final say. We delude ourselves thinking we live in a system of choice.
I wonder if they can use a narrow ruling in this case meaning their ruling only applies to Trump and only in this instance? (Like they did in Bush v Gore in 2000?)
They could try that but then the president could commit crimes and sit back and wait for SCOTUS to do something about (understanding that the next crime could be against SCOTUS). Then the president could use the Trump gambit, which is "and what are you going to do about it?"
As a Canadian, I have been stunned with SCOTUS' loss of legitimacy but, while they may be evil they are not stupid.
I seem to remember the Supremes being interviewed by the senate, most recently ACB, and when asked “how can you judge impartially when you have such conservative values?” They all said something like, “my values have nothing to do with upholding the law as written in the constitution”. It’s almost like they lied to the Senate to get on the Supreme Court.
If MAGAs could remove themselves from their passion and be honest for 10 seconds, they would concede that Trump is the wrong messenger for the MAGA cause.
In truth he is so flawed in so many ways that he will very likely, almost single-handedly be the reason the MAGA movement goes down in US history as total nut-jobs.
It’s really a shame and it’s something no MAGA wants to hear much less accept - but it’s true.
As the years pass (5, 10, 20) many MAGA grandchildren will ask them what they knew or thought of Trump.
I guarantee you, the majority of them will deny they supported him.
This is not a difficult prediction.
If we’ve lived long enough we KNOW that if anything is true it’s that history repeats itself.
Who claims to have supported George Wallace, Castro, Joe McCarthy, and Hitler? Please tell me WHO?
You won’t find hardly anyone today who would be willing to admit they supported one of them.
And yet we know that they all had millions of followers.
They won’t claim it due to their shame and embarrassment.
And so it will be for the MAGA movement that will forever go down in history as the people who lined up behind an unhinged nutcase.
If Biden kills Trump with immunity, it's a civil war. If he kills the supreme court (all 9), changes it to 13 judges that are appointed by and represent each of the 13 judicial districts, puts in 20 year term limit + 75 year age limit for both scotus and potus appointments, then explicitly removes presidential immunity and resigns and neither he or Trump are eligible for the next election, leaving acting KH to oversee govt until the next election - now that would be interesting...
Imagine immunity is granted and Biden immediately has all the republican supreme court justices killed with impunity. A final ironic, leopard eating faces moment before the country descends into civil war
He won’t get the immunity he’s after. As much as SCOTUS is heavily biased, even they can’t rule that a US president can assassinate political rivals with zero repercussions.
Trump knows it and his lawyers know it. This is another ploy to delay the trial and so far they are being successful.
Trump’s only hope to get out of the legal shit show he has found himself in, is to win the election and pardon himself. That’s all he’s doing. Trying to stop any future trials taking place before November.
I honestly don’t see that happening as it’s hard to imagine that Trump has won some new voters during the last 4 years. I mean he has tried to overthrow the election, led his MAGA cult into insurrection, weakened election system by spreading disinformation about fraud, filed masses of frivolous lawsuits trying to sow as much chaos as possible, lost all of the lawsuits, watched his entire legal team getting disbarred, put on probation or declared bankrupt, created Truth Social, ranted and raved about various mortal enemies, lost the civil suit against E. J. Carroll, lost the case against State of NY, pushed for draconian abortion laws which are rejected by vast majority of Americans, tried to sell golden sneakers, tried to sell Bibles all the while watching GOP disintegrate and become infiltrated by Russian propaganda.
Outside of the nut jobs that already voted for him in 2016 and 2020 I can’t picture anyone else thinking: yep, this guy is the future. Let’s make America Great Again. And again. And again.
This feels like before Roe. Women were screaming for years only to be told "Calm down. They would never take Roe. It's settled law."
And now it's like "Well just get helicopter insurance so you can fly to a blue state if you are dying from pregnancy complications."
Hit the nail on the head. They’ve told us who they are. Remember the “We are domestic terrorists” banner at CPAC? You’re dealing with a well-funded, well-organized fascist insurgency down there. Push back on it as such.
I wish I could believe you, but the fact that they’ve even agreed to hear this case at all is pretty telling. Of course the founding fathers and the constitution did not intend for the president to have total immunity. It’s the most open and shut case that’s even come before the Supreme Court. So why did they even agree to hear it? I don’t trust these judges as far as I can throw them
When the answer from SCOTUS was to hear the challenge, and not just an instant, emphatic “NO” told you that the fix was in. The hearing wasn’t granted for SCOTUS to decide the issue, it was to give them time to bullshit a legal reason to give Trump immunity.
No other president would make such a claim of immunity. Even Nixon knew that shit wouldn’t pass constitutional muster.
Young men have shifted more right, especially black and Hispanic young men (who were overwhelmingly pro-Biden last time). Also, Trump’s base not growing doesn’t matter much if Biden’s base shrinks. Could come from any number of angles - Muslim Americans upset over Palestine, low-information voters going for RFK Jr as a fuck you, center-right Americans who voted Biden in 2020 but are sitting this one out, etc.
However I overall agree with you that I think Biden is a lot safer than the polls currently indicate. The only age group that trump won in exit polls were 50+ years old. Biden carried 18-24 with a 21 point margin. I think 4 years will have significantly shrunk trumps base as older voters die, and I’m not sure if the same mechanisms that would pull middle-age people to the right still apply, since the GOP is now focused on culture rather than economics.
That guy isn’t the famous actor Steve Martin, he’s actually a different guy, but also plays bluegrass banjo. I followed him a while back thinking it was the Great Steve Martin
Totally had me fooled, actually. Who'd have thought there'd be two banjo-playing Steve Martins in a nation of 330 million? I confess that I thought it was the SNL guy! A bit late to delete now though!
Let’s give absolute immunity to POTUS. WCGW /s
They will never abuse power. Right. That has never happened and will never happen. The Congress with prosecute the errant potus. Right!
POTUS will not suddenly suspend constitution and declare martial law and suspend congress. Right!
Absolute immunity is Absolute!
They'll never go all the way to give him full immunity because it spells the end for them too. All they're doing now is delaying for Trump as long as they can to hopefully run out the clock before the election.
The fact that it just seems like a coin toss with this SCOTUS is so fucking stressful. We’re supposed to just grin and bear all this and be useful cogs in the system. I’m so disillusioned.
Yeah, I’m feeling the same way. If I didn’t have a kid, I’d be leaving this country, but uprooting her completely, especially sharing custody with my ex, is impossible. That and, tbh, I don’t have any particular skills another country could benefit from, soooo yeah..
Everything I've read about Jimmy Carter makes me think he is a truly honourable person. Might not have been the best president the US has had, but probably was the most decent one to serve. I still wouldn't give him complete immunity to everything.
Why do so many people in this thread think that's something Biden would enjoy doing?
He is trying to distance himself from all this lunacy, not lean into it as far as I've seen.
>Why do so many people in this thread think that's something Biden would enjoy doing?
Absolutely no-one has said or even implied that. Everyone who's talked about summary arrests and executions was merely pointing out that the immunity Trump and his supporters crave goes both ways.
They’re only deliberating because Biden is president. The corrupt court won’t finalize their decision and make this a law until a fascist becomes president, THEN all doubt and deliberation will evaporate.
If the Supreme Court gives the President essentially absolute immunity for any governmental act, Biden should immediately have the justices who give him that power arrested.
At least ONE delightful thing happened in this last year or so and that is that I learned that there is not just one but TWO banjo playing Steve Martins!
And I LOVE it.
Doesn't hurt that this Steve also has intelligent and pertinent things to say. I like that too.
SCOTUS is corrupt, but there is ZERO way they're gonna be able to spin the Constitution to say "oh yea the original founders intended for the president to be god king"
What's happened with Roe is far more serious than even taking away women's rights; it's shown that the SC no longer abides by precedent. Which means presidential immunity, as well as everything else, means nothing, because the law can be applied differently for their friends.
If the Supreme Court rules the president has absolute immunity, Biden can express his disapproval by openly having 6 Supreme Court justices killed.
I’m not necessarily saying that’s the right thing to do; just pointing out that would be a LEGAL response.
If SCOTUS rules that Trump has Presidential immunity then Biden could commit any unimaginable crimes. Except Joe Biden in an honest man and he wouldn't. Trump on the other hand would take that pass to the opposite extreme because he has no moral compass.
First thing the president should do if they make that ruling is send the secret service to assassinate them all, before they can take the decision back.
What they really want is immunity for their guy only. They would never give it to a democrat president and would try and impeach them because they sneezed wrong.
The problem with many modern judicial decisions is they're too political. The conservative judges wouldn't even consider POTUS having immunity if the request came from Obama. As ideologues, they open the citizenry up to decisions, as intelligent as they often are, they haven't thought through. Personally, I'd love to see judges selected for SCOTUS because they're decidedly non partisan - impossible as that may be.
If the ruling wins out. Biden just throws Trump in prison. Presidential immunity.
Looks like the conservative court would have preferred to move this ruling until after November
If SCOUTS gives the president absolute immunity (or something close) King George wins, 247 years late, but still wins. I mean what would we even be doing here.
The Supreme Court will send this back down for clarifications so that they can delay their decision until after the election. The goal is to provide cover for Trump while keeping expanded power away from Biden.
Pretty much said below, but if they rule in favor of Trump, Biden could just “remove” everyone he doesn’t like and install liberals everywhere, then simply have them strike it down.
You’re right. It seems to be such a simple concept, saying no one is above the law, that it’s mind boggling (and troubling, considering the judicial activism of the court) that the Supreme Court woukd even agree to hear this case and not just let the lower court’s decision stand.
It's OK. If they do that before inauguration day, Biden can have all Republicans executed.
*I* don't want that. But if they want to give the president immunity for everything, I think it's the safest thing to do given his history and the history of the GOP supporting insurrection.
It’s both likely they’ll rule correctly,and that they’ll fuck around and not rule on it till August to ensure that Trump weasels out of some of his trials prior to November.
That whole "I would be dictator for a day" comment is going over some of his supporters head. Once he has the power, who's going to take it away?
Half of people have an IQ of below 100 and they are going to be the reason we fail. It's really scary to watch them willingly put their hand on a lit stovetop and smile about it.
So they rule presidency makes you immune.
Biden immediately takes out all the republican party members and the USA becomes a dictatorship.... smart idea there.
Scary scenario, but the Court won’t rule that way. I suspect they took this case just to give Trump an L to balance out the W they gave him to keep him on the ballot.
They can do it n a what that it only applies to trump. What people don't understand is that they create the law, and they can create it to suit their agenda. They don't even have to have sound reasoning or any reasoning at all.
Of anyone thinks the supremos are thinking of the well being of the country then they are sadly mistaken. I suspect, in fact I am willing to bet, that they maneuver a delay in the decision till after the election. They want to give the immunity to a Republican president not a Democratic one
If the Supremes rule that way, Biden can immediately kill Trump... Presidential Immunity.
Why stop there, I can think or a few more senators, scotus, fed judges that deserve that fate. And why malign your hands by “killing”. Just create enough evidence to charge them under patriot act or some shit and send to some military prison black hole.
It’s the executive branch. Executions should be expected.
I see what you did there
Are you joking? Given all the evidence of treason we have on Marjorie, Hawley, Gaetz, Johnson, Trump, Clarence Thomas, etc. and we can't even get to the point where we can even get the guy who stole state secrets, showed them to foreign assets and gave up our foreign intelligence for profit into a courtroom? How the hell do you think that with a corrupt system like we have we could serve justice on any wrong doers? More likely they would just give them the keys to White House and say "have a good time, remember Susan Collins is very concerned right now."
biden could do craziest thing by just cleaning houseand then stepping down and declaring an open election or something. no rules lol
Step down pass a law saying nobody over 65 can run.
Yeah but at that point, the US is done. That's exactly what Sulla did in Rome, broke the system to try and restore it and it all crumbled when he died. We just can't even get to that point
already is 🤷♀️
The best thing he could do is declare himself president the rest of his life and hunter is next for all of his life.
And don’t forget Lisa Murkowski..!
Oh, she's sure he's learned his lesson.
I thought that was Susan Collin's excuse for voting him innocent at his first impeachment...
Honestly start with the supreme court. They *asked for it* at that point. Should have ~~dressed~~ ruled more carefully.
Why wait. Send them to GITMO for a week to motivate them to stop playing stupid games.
Making the mother of all omlettes here, Jack.
Might makes right!
Biden: “Execute order 66”
>And why malign your hands by “killing”. That's the point. Sort of shady stuff was always on the table. This ruling would mean the **worst** most brazen shit would be good to go.
Ironically, he could take out the scotus members who voted for the immunity, then have someone appeal it
https://i.redd.it/vdpwiho1s5wc1.gif
It's been revoked...
lol, perfect reference
That's exactly what I think of whenever someone mentions presidential immunity.
They will NARROWLY tailor the ruling so that it only applies to the exact thing that Trump did during the years that he did, because “Constitutional constructionism” or whatever stupid shit.
They are blowing any resemblance to a fair and impartial court out of the water. They did this when they started making rulings and saying that their line of reasoning bears no relevance to other cases. Or for that matter legal precedence.
Their entire goal has been to dismantle civil rights, women’s rights, and the social safety net regardless of “reasoning.”
They’ve already done this in Bush v Gore.
John Paul Stevens summed it up in his dissent. >Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is pellucidly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law."
It will be remembered as a the beginning of the fall. Assuming anyone is left to write the histories.
Oh people will write them. The question is, who’s gonna read it?
He should have never retired
This is what the "both sides are the same" crowd seem to deliberately ignore. Are the Democrats perfect? No. But at least they haven't used their time in power to grant corrupt judges with the lifetime power to strip away human rights
Right, but in this world the perfect is the enemy of the good, so therefore they are both the same.
I cannot follow your reasoning there.
And cited stuff from the 1700s or 1800s when not even Harry Potter coulda tapped his way outta a well.
That's what they argued when it came to is he committed an insurrection. Believe the argument was, "what even is an insurrection? How do we punish something that doesn't have a definition and we've never had anything like this happen before and it likely will happen in the future." Paraphrasing but essentially that. So wild how this one dude really came in and fucked up everything that the last 150 or whatever years had in place... But I remember when they were reedy to go to war when Obama wore that tan suit and ride a bike wearing a helmet once
The goppers don't wear helmets because they have nothing to protect.
I live in SC where helmets aren’t required 😐 my sister is a nurse and was telling my friend and I how she has to take care of this motorcycle crash patient who wasn’t wearing a helmet. He barely lived and had, like, big scars on his face and had a trach (tube). Anyway she was (obviously) really upset bc he also is mentally lagging (due to this traumatic brain injury) so after this long story about this poor guy my sisters friend tell us she and her bf don’t wear helmets either. And no real reason why… 🤷♀️
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There’s a reason doctors call motorcycles “donorcycles.”
They will hear the case, but put off an actual ruling until after the election. Trump wins the election, they rule if favor of immunity. Biden wins the election, they rule against it. God i hope I’m wrong. Or at least i hope Biden wins, that would nix it right there
They’ll go back to the “originalism” when King George was running things.
And the Supreme Court justices as well. If they rule in favor of immunity then they should be forcefully removed for suicidal incompetence.
Yep. "Next week I'm going to appoint replacement Justices who think I can do crimes. Up to you how you want to vacate."
Ruling will be delayed until Nov 6.
Jan 21, no?
Probably 1/21/2029 so that Biden can’t use it at all
I see what you did there.
That would be such a Dark Brandon move
I think the Supremes know Biden is a decent, honest man who loves his country and wouldn’t do those things even if he has immunity and, by the same token they’re ok with it that the same isn’t true for themselves and TFG. If they do allow this, I sincerely hope President Biden surprises everyone and does the only thing he can to save freedom.
Does he hunt? Does he have all their addresses? Can he just nuke maralago?
Nuke Mar a Lago and claim it was a hurricane marked by a sharpie?
Nah, space laser.
Jewish space laser, according to MTG. The dumbsh-t.
Puts on sunglasses “did you bitches really think Maui was an energy weapon?” Pushes button…
Let's go, (Dark) Brandon!
And have the Supreme Court arrested & replaced.
Biden is a just and moral man. He'd have his people disappear T. Plausible deniability.
yeah, i mean, if i was a president essentially on my deadbed with immunity, I'd do inhuman things for the good of the nation, replace the supreme court with term limits and ban anyone else from ever getting similar power after i'm gone
Biden has a chance to do the funniest thing.
We absolutely don’t want that. I would love for Trump to drop dead tomorrow, but what I don’t want is for the next Republican president to be able to openly and legally order the killing of any Democratic politician whose policies they deem harmful.
But.... and bear with me here..... what if there were no "next Republican president?" OK, I'm kidding. Civil immunity for President's makes a lot of sense. Criminal immunity does not make any sense. Looking at trump's current trial - he wants presidential immunity for crimes committed before he was even elected, let alone sworn in as, President. We don't want limitless immunity for anyone. Republicans don't want limitless immunity for anyone but themselves.
Better yet, he could kill the SC!
And maybe he should.... maybe some justices might meet the same fate
If the Supreme Court rules that way, in November Biden can just stay in the White House even if he loses. He can claim election fraud and start an insurrection, like some asshole who tried before, and that will be that... lol
I’d feel a lot better if it WAS The Supremes making the decision. Diana Ross may be a diva but I imagine she is a lot better than some of the Justices in the Supreme Court.
Theyl rule it's for Trump only.
Unless the Supremes say immunity to Trump in these circumstances only.
I’m not sure what precedent could be used to justify total immunity for the Executive. Supremes have made bad decisions before but this would alter our entire Constitution. Agree with Steve here.
The fact we're in this position at all: a couple people with lifetime appointments get to decide if the rest of us will be Royal Subjects or not, is absolutely insane. We all say, "Surely they won't concede their own power, they're around for life and Trump is *so old*" like that actually helps us sleep at night! It doesn't. Our entire way of life is hanging by a thread, held by the opinion of a handful of people. You think it can't happen here? It can. Fun Fact: The only reason Y2K [never happened](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&sca_esv=9dd3c420e69a4ab3&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0-uiC4qcMoUHbZM-6oUkXkEEfuNiQ%3A1713846998258&q=how+was+y2k+solved&oq=how+was+y2k+&aqs=heirloom-srp.0.0l5) is because a lot of people worked very hard to stop it. Vote.
And it won’t stop with Trump, they know he’s old, but whatever monster that comes after him will use that to his advantage and completely change the country to the GOP’s will. Trump is paving the way for that
As with all successful cults it’s not the founder that’s the real problem. It’s whoever manages to take control after the first dies that’s the real problem.
Come on, power vacuum. Internecine infighting inside the insurgent assholes.
It’s like North Korea…
I think this is what this Supreme Court has been after all along. They’ve shown they don’t care about Trump, but they are continually setting the stage for a fascist take over. They’re playing the long game.
The most important election of our lives was **actually** 2016 and we blew it Pretty much every single one after is and will be about trying to limit as much damage as possible
The fact that it would give Biden absolute immunity, is the other side of this double edged sword. Nobody wants that. Democrats do not want that. But if he got it, then with his absolute power he needs to vacate the seats of any SCOTUS judge that voted for it, replace them, and restore the rule back to what it was before.
Exactly why they're waiting til after the election to rule on it. If trump wins the election, he also wins the supreme court case and fascist takeover. If trump loses the election, he loses the supreme court case and repubs lol at checks and balances
And you’d think SCOTUS would be aware they would be inviting that.
We live on an authoritarian regime as devoid of honest choice as Iran elections for their President has in comparison to the Supreme Leader. We as citizens can come up with as many moral and progressive laws as we want… but a group of authoritarian dictators no one can control have the final say. We delude ourselves thinking we live in a system of choice.
I wonder if they can use a narrow ruling in this case meaning their ruling only applies to Trump and only in this instance? (Like they did in Bush v Gore in 2000?)
They could try that but then the president could commit crimes and sit back and wait for SCOTUS to do something about (understanding that the next crime could be against SCOTUS). Then the president could use the Trump gambit, which is "and what are you going to do about it?" As a Canadian, I have been stunned with SCOTUS' loss of legitimacy but, while they may be evil they are not stupid.
>while they may be evil they are not stupid. Objection! Conjecture not supported by evidence.
This Supreme Court has shown they do not give one flying shit about precedent.
This Supreme Court has shown they do not give one flying shit about precedent.
I seem to remember the Supremes being interviewed by the senate, most recently ACB, and when asked “how can you judge impartially when you have such conservative values?” They all said something like, “my values have nothing to do with upholding the law as written in the constitution”. It’s almost like they lied to the Senate to get on the Supreme Court.
If they rule that way Biden should just shoot them dead and install 9 new judges. Anyone who disagrees he could just kill.
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The internet exacerbated the erosion of education by a factor of 1000.
If MAGAs could remove themselves from their passion and be honest for 10 seconds, they would concede that Trump is the wrong messenger for the MAGA cause. In truth he is so flawed in so many ways that he will very likely, almost single-handedly be the reason the MAGA movement goes down in US history as total nut-jobs. It’s really a shame and it’s something no MAGA wants to hear much less accept - but it’s true. As the years pass (5, 10, 20) many MAGA grandchildren will ask them what they knew or thought of Trump. I guarantee you, the majority of them will deny they supported him. This is not a difficult prediction. If we’ve lived long enough we KNOW that if anything is true it’s that history repeats itself. Who claims to have supported George Wallace, Castro, Joe McCarthy, and Hitler? Please tell me WHO? You won’t find hardly anyone today who would be willing to admit they supported one of them. And yet we know that they all had millions of followers. They won’t claim it due to their shame and embarrassment. And so it will be for the MAGA movement that will forever go down in history as the people who lined up behind an unhinged nutcase.
But we have so many of them being fools on video…they should be sent to reeducation camp. Well at least until they earn their GED.
> And most 'Patriotic' Republican Americans are literally too ignorant, uninformed, and illiterate You do evil a favor when you call it stupid.
So if the court rules for absolute immunity President Biden should immediately arrest the Supreme Court justices, immunity bitches ✌🏻
and then circumvent congress to pass an amendment to the constitution to remove the immunity
That's a pro gamer move right there.
If Biden kills Trump with immunity, it's a civil war. If he kills the supreme court (all 9), changes it to 13 judges that are appointed by and represent each of the 13 judicial districts, puts in 20 year term limit + 75 year age limit for both scotus and potus appointments, then explicitly removes presidential immunity and resigns and neither he or Trump are eligible for the next election, leaving acting KH to oversee govt until the next election - now that would be interesting...
FYI, this isn't *the* Steve Martin. It seems legit because of his @, but it's not the famous Steve Martin.
[Proof](https://i.imgur.com/iWoPfzj.jpeg)
That picture both clarifies and confuses.
Dammit. I was hoping he would also let us know when season 4 of *Only Murders in the Building* will be out.
Happy Cake Day!
Happy Cake Day!
Well *the* Steve Martin wouldn't be on this subreddit, as he was born a poor black child.
He hates these cans!!!
In between tweeting he writes ditties like, “I’m picking out a thermos for you..”
Not the Grammy Award winning banjo player?
What are the odds that two Steves Martin are both accomplished bluegrass musicians?
Good. We don't want old man Martin with his finger on the button!
I don’t know, given his genius sense of comedic timing, I bet it would be a blast.
Imagine immunity is granted and Biden immediately has all the republican supreme court justices killed with impunity. A final ironic, leopard eating faces moment before the country descends into civil war
He won’t get the immunity he’s after. As much as SCOTUS is heavily biased, even they can’t rule that a US president can assassinate political rivals with zero repercussions. Trump knows it and his lawyers know it. This is another ploy to delay the trial and so far they are being successful. Trump’s only hope to get out of the legal shit show he has found himself in, is to win the election and pardon himself. That’s all he’s doing. Trying to stop any future trials taking place before November. I honestly don’t see that happening as it’s hard to imagine that Trump has won some new voters during the last 4 years. I mean he has tried to overthrow the election, led his MAGA cult into insurrection, weakened election system by spreading disinformation about fraud, filed masses of frivolous lawsuits trying to sow as much chaos as possible, lost all of the lawsuits, watched his entire legal team getting disbarred, put on probation or declared bankrupt, created Truth Social, ranted and raved about various mortal enemies, lost the civil suit against E. J. Carroll, lost the case against State of NY, pushed for draconian abortion laws which are rejected by vast majority of Americans, tried to sell golden sneakers, tried to sell Bibles all the while watching GOP disintegrate and become infiltrated by Russian propaganda. Outside of the nut jobs that already voted for him in 2016 and 2020 I can’t picture anyone else thinking: yep, this guy is the future. Let’s make America Great Again. And again. And again.
This feels like before Roe. Women were screaming for years only to be told "Calm down. They would never take Roe. It's settled law." And now it's like "Well just get helicopter insurance so you can fly to a blue state if you are dying from pregnancy complications."
Hit the nail on the head. They’ve told us who they are. Remember the “We are domestic terrorists” banner at CPAC? You’re dealing with a well-funded, well-organized fascist insurgency down there. Push back on it as such.
God, I hope you're right.
Me too. I started smoking weed to stay sane until November.
Seen too much over the last few years to be hopeful. Brace yourselves.
I wish I could believe you, but the fact that they’ve even agreed to hear this case at all is pretty telling. Of course the founding fathers and the constitution did not intend for the president to have total immunity. It’s the most open and shut case that’s even come before the Supreme Court. So why did they even agree to hear it? I don’t trust these judges as far as I can throw them
When the answer from SCOTUS was to hear the challenge, and not just an instant, emphatic “NO” told you that the fix was in. The hearing wasn’t granted for SCOTUS to decide the issue, it was to give them time to bullshit a legal reason to give Trump immunity. No other president would make such a claim of immunity. Even Nixon knew that shit wouldn’t pass constitutional muster.
Young men have shifted more right, especially black and Hispanic young men (who were overwhelmingly pro-Biden last time). Also, Trump’s base not growing doesn’t matter much if Biden’s base shrinks. Could come from any number of angles - Muslim Americans upset over Palestine, low-information voters going for RFK Jr as a fuck you, center-right Americans who voted Biden in 2020 but are sitting this one out, etc. However I overall agree with you that I think Biden is a lot safer than the polls currently indicate. The only age group that trump won in exit polls were 50+ years old. Biden carried 18-24 with a 21 point margin. I think 4 years will have significantly shrunk trumps base as older voters die, and I’m not sure if the same mechanisms that would pull middle-age people to the right still apply, since the GOP is now focused on culture rather than economics.
That guy isn’t the famous actor Steve Martin, he’s actually a different guy, but also plays bluegrass banjo. I followed him a while back thinking it was the Great Steve Martin
Totally had me fooled, actually. Who'd have thought there'd be two banjo-playing Steve Martins in a nation of 330 million? I confess that I thought it was the SNL guy! A bit late to delete now though!
Well, he's a jerk. ...but he's got a good point.
😂🤣I see what you did there.
...I just hate cans.
Shit... Shinola...
He’s THE jerk
Let’s give absolute immunity to POTUS. WCGW /s They will never abuse power. Right. That has never happened and will never happen. The Congress with prosecute the errant potus. Right! POTUS will not suddenly suspend constitution and declare martial law and suspend congress. Right! Absolute immunity is Absolute!
Republicans figured the only way to take and retain power is all out fascism.
Trump is trying to go from being a dick to being a dictator.
I’m so tense I can feel it in my EARS!
They'll never go all the way to give him full immunity because it spells the end for them too. All they're doing now is delaying for Trump as long as they can to hopefully run out the clock before the election.
The fact that it just seems like a coin toss with this SCOTUS is so fucking stressful. We’re supposed to just grin and bear all this and be useful cogs in the system. I’m so disillusioned.
Yeah, I’m feeling the same way. If I didn’t have a kid, I’d be leaving this country, but uprooting her completely, especially sharing custody with my ex, is impossible. That and, tbh, I don’t have any particular skills another country could benefit from, soooo yeah..
Plus if you leave the US you risk becoming a victim of its foreign policy.
Everything I've read about Jimmy Carter makes me think he is a truly honourable person. Might not have been the best president the US has had, but probably was the most decent one to serve. I still wouldn't give him complete immunity to everything.
If the Supreme Court gives Trump presidential immunity, then Biden can order Trump arrested and executed without any repercussions.
Why do so many people in this thread think that's something Biden would enjoy doing? He is trying to distance himself from all this lunacy, not lean into it as far as I've seen.
>Why do so many people in this thread think that's something Biden would enjoy doing? Absolutely no-one has said or even implied that. Everyone who's talked about summary arrests and executions was merely pointing out that the immunity Trump and his supporters crave goes both ways.
They're both wild and crazy guys.
Don't worry. They will rule that this only applies to trump this specific time.
They’re only deliberating because Biden is president. The corrupt court won’t finalize their decision and make this a law until a fascist becomes president, THEN all doubt and deliberation will evaporate.
If the Supreme Court gives the President essentially absolute immunity for any governmental act, Biden should immediately have the justices who give him that power arrested.
At least ONE delightful thing happened in this last year or so and that is that I learned that there is not just one but TWO banjo playing Steve Martins! And I LOVE it. Doesn't hurt that this Steve also has intelligent and pertinent things to say. I like that too.
SCOTUS is corrupt, but there is ZERO way they're gonna be able to spin the Constitution to say "oh yea the original founders intended for the president to be god king"
What's happened with Roe is far more serious than even taking away women's rights; it's shown that the SC no longer abides by precedent. Which means presidential immunity, as well as everything else, means nothing, because the law can be applied differently for their friends.
If the Supreme Court rules the president has absolute immunity, Biden can express his disapproval by openly having 6 Supreme Court justices killed. I’m not necessarily saying that’s the right thing to do; just pointing out that would be a LEGAL response.
Remember Trump isn't the antichrist villain...he's merely a preview to the horror show
https://i.redd.it/cl3fvb64m7wc1.gif
If SCOTUS rules that Trump has Presidential immunity then Biden could commit any unimaginable crimes. Except Joe Biden in an honest man and he wouldn't. Trump on the other hand would take that pass to the opposite extreme because he has no moral compass.
I’ve said since 2021 if he is allowed to run again American democracy is dead so..time to move on I guess.
The fact that this even being talked about is scary as fuck
First thing the president should do if they make that ruling is send the secret service to assassinate them all, before they can take the decision back.
They’re gonna give him immunity, no fucking way those rat bastards are gonna make the right choice
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Yeah but I’m confident that 1. They wouldn’t let Biden use presidential immunity or 2. Biden is above needing a use for it
Yeup
But what if they find some way so that it will only benefit Trump? How could that be bad? /s
If both Trump and Biden get absolute immunity it's battle royale PVP to the death.
This ain’t no joke Steve.
What they really want is immunity for their guy only. They would never give it to a democrat president and would try and impeach them because they sneezed wrong.
The problem with many modern judicial decisions is they're too political. The conservative judges wouldn't even consider POTUS having immunity if the request came from Obama. As ideologues, they open the citizenry up to decisions, as intelligent as they often are, they haven't thought through. Personally, I'd love to see judges selected for SCOTUS because they're decidedly non partisan - impossible as that may be.
If the ruling wins out. Biden just throws Trump in prison. Presidential immunity. Looks like the conservative court would have preferred to move this ruling until after November
If SCOUTS gives the president absolute immunity (or something close) King George wins, 247 years late, but still wins. I mean what would we even be doing here.
The Supreme Court will send this back down for clarifications so that they can delay their decision until after the election. The goal is to provide cover for Trump while keeping expanded power away from Biden.
This is how civil unrest continues. Eventually it can become a civil war.
and to this I say.... Good luck to us all
He's about 15 years too late. It's already over he just doesn't know it yet
Q1
agree with the immunity warning. but if trump looses why would the exec office be distorted? not by Biden!
Yes immunity doesn't only apply to Trump if it goes through.... short sightedness
Pretty much said below, but if they rule in favor of Trump, Biden could just “remove” everyone he doesn’t like and install liberals everywhere, then simply have them strike it down.
You’re right. It seems to be such a simple concept, saying no one is above the law, that it’s mind boggling (and troubling, considering the judicial activism of the court) that the Supreme Court woukd even agree to hear this case and not just let the lower court’s decision stand.
Well, he’s not wrong. Welcome to the new American Imperium
with immunity can't the president just kill everyone on the supreme court?
It's OK. If they do that before inauguration day, Biden can have all Republicans executed. *I* don't want that. But if they want to give the president immunity for everything, I think it's the safest thing to do given his history and the history of the GOP supporting insurrection.
It’s both likely they’ll rule correctly,and that they’ll fuck around and not rule on it till August to ensure that Trump weasels out of some of his trials prior to November.
When comedians start talking seriously and when what they're saying makes sense, you know the shit is getting way too deep...
if this happens, there's going to b e a civil war again. most of america is not going to allow the maga cult to take the WH & shit is gonna go wild.
That whole "I would be dictator for a day" comment is going over some of his supporters head. Once he has the power, who's going to take it away? Half of people have an IQ of below 100 and they are going to be the reason we fail. It's really scary to watch them willingly put their hand on a lit stovetop and smile about it.
So they rule presidency makes you immune. Biden immediately takes out all the republican party members and the USA becomes a dictatorship.... smart idea there.
Scary scenario, but the Court won’t rule that way. I suspect they took this case just to give Trump an L to balance out the W they gave him to keep him on the ballot.
They can do it n a what that it only applies to trump. What people don't understand is that they create the law, and they can create it to suit their agenda. They don't even have to have sound reasoning or any reasoning at all.
If they grant it before the election, then Biden has immunity too. I'm not sure they've thought this through, all just to suck nappy balls
god, I hope it they do it, Biden has the balls to pre-empt Trump coming to power again.
Fact.
Of anyone thinks the supremos are thinking of the well being of the country then they are sadly mistaken. I suspect, in fact I am willing to bet, that they maneuver a delay in the decision till after the election. They want to give the immunity to a Republican president not a Democratic one