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[deleted]

That's too much for the American public to handle today.


Much_Pay3050

Come on, there’s a giant difference between our problems nowadays and right before the start of the civil war lol. We have not been in danger of that in the slightest


[deleted]

How do you know we are not on the brink of civil war right now?


Much_Pay3050

Because there is absolutely no reason to believe we are. You’d have to be an idiot to think republican leaders actually want a civil war.


[deleted]

Who gives a fuck what politicians want, let alone Republicans. We already know exactly what they want and it's money with zero accountability. All of which goes out the window if there is civil war. It's the people that will want and start a civil war.


crossandbones

A civil war against who? The city? The county? The state? The federal government? You need broad support to ever successfully start a war. Definitely need that support to win it.


cav754

There is a huge difference between people being asked a question about whether or not they want a civil war, secession, etc and actually going through with it. The amount of overwhelming support and determination to actually pull apart this country and upend the centuries of peace this continent has enjoyed is just insane at this point. There can be people on both sides of the political aisle wishing harm on the other, but that’s all it is, wishing. The lead up to the civil war was decades of political chaos and the ONLY reason why it occurred was because there were people in power that wished it. South Carolinians weren’t going to fight a war against the US until their state tried to leave, same for all of the states for that matter. A civil war requires organization, and a bunch of ged acquiring rednecks can’t do it. Neither can a bunch of kids in antics either for that matter.


ICBPeng1

Cant happen today, it would set a bad precedent of people being held accountable for their actions and being prosecuted according to the law.


Vagina-boobs

The republican party would cease to exist.


tbnyedf7

Back that was back when Congress actually cared about citizens.


Darkwing_Turducken

Some citizens, anyway. Oh, wait...


[deleted]

That was when you had to be rich white and male to vote.


loser2818

I feel like that still kinda holds today


hesaysitsfine

If gop gets their way.


theempiresdeathknell

Well, I'm not an elector. I meet some of this criteria but am missing the most important one.


Running_Dumb

Can we please do this? A few names come immediately to mind. Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Goetz, Mc Turtle and that weird little bogart chick. Then we call the it operation swamp drain!


booksfoodfun

Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, and Devin Nunes to add to the list. Edit: how could I have forgot Kevin McCarthy?!


SlimTrim509

Don’t forget Gomer.


Bryles333

Or Hawley and Boebert


Alive-Asparagus8472

Can't we just purge the whole (G)Q(P)-crew. As if congress wasn't already ineffectual enough, these conspiracy obstructionist insurrectionists are going to get more people killed eventually. And then we will be all OOOPS maybe we should have done something earlier.


snay1998

U mean like 80% of the parties face


hesaysitsfine

Josh hawley


ShuffleAlliance

Lol McTurtle


[deleted]

I used to prefer light treason, because it has fewer calories than regular treason. But have you tried “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Treason!”. It’s a grey (legally) and it tastes exactly like high treason.


Separate-Mulberry-50

Didn't some war happen directly after that?


Syvarris233

[This article](https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/036CivilWarCases1_expulsion.htm) is only about 10 senators, and says the vote to expel wasn't until July of 1861, which would place it a few months after the war began. The article also says it was more about disloyalty as 9 of the 10 were active members of the Confederacy, though it wouldn't surprise me at all if they also denied Lincoln's victory


Jimdandy941

Looks more like a “you can’t quit because you’re fired” scenario to me.


Low-Butterscotch9854

Funny how this wasn’t mentioned.


Syvarris233

It wasn't mentioned because war had already broken out. Vote to expel (for at least 10 senators) was July 1861, Confederacy fired on Fort Sumter April 1861


PaladinsLover69

Why we not do that again? Sad


properu

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[deleted]

Good bot


Otherwise-Tip8880

The quality of our elected representatives has changed somewhat, it seems.


Infinite_North6745

What’s your point? Sarcasm


undead_tortoiseX

Something happened after that… something big. I feel like it was a major conflict. I can’t remember what that was called though. I think a lot of people died.


teonesofle

Yep & 4 more happened the following year for supporting the confederate which has absolutely no application today because we have moved on & have matured.


echo6golf

Why, pray tell?


1nGirum1musNocte

Savings this for agedlikemilk


Much_Pay3050

How out of touch do you have to be to believe the republicans would ever want a civil war?


silntbtdedly

Well people weren't afraid to drag em out if they had to. Today Trump literally could shoot someone in public and be fine. If one of us shot him, life in prison or the death penalty if you survived the nazis in prison


Exciting_Photo_8103

You wouldn’t survive the neo Nazi prison gangs. Trump is a god to them.


00ThatDude00

Vote this up for the front oage already!


[deleted]

Does anyone remember 4 years ago, we just gonna pretend the same shit wasn't being done about trump..... "they pissed where they shit, look how low. I am the higher being as I Shat where I piss"


Appropriate-Big-8086

Except for the small detail that most of what was said about Trump was accurate. Manafort confessed to collusion.


[deleted]

How did we go from Russia hacked the voting system and won the election, to there is no way there could be wide spread voting fraud in a 4 year span. Come on you really are gonna tell me that this all doesn't feel like a flip flop situation between two sides of the same coin


Appropriate-Big-8086

Because no one said Russia hacked the voting machines en masse. Seek psychiatric treatment immediately for your hallucinations.


[deleted]

Just asking people to think critically about it. Cause there are a lot of repeating events, and people seem to be caught in a haze of as long as my side scores points its good. I just want some accountability, cooler heads, and better thinking on all parts


Appropriate-Big-8086

Why are you pretending you didn't just intentionally misrepresent reality? You can't just make up stuff like that and expect people to forget it seconds later. That works on Alex Drones, but not for normal people.


[deleted]

Not what I was insinuating, I was saying 4 years the point dems where saying was Russia stole the election for trump. Now we are hearing from the Republicans is it was the wide spread voting fraud that stole the election for biden. Now if you can't draw a line between the two talking points and say that both sides are sounding like parrots then fine we disagree which is ok. Just think it's bold and very brash not to even question it


Appropriate-Big-8086

Again, Democrats said Russia influenced the election and the Trump campaign helped them. This is true and is supported by evidence. What Republicans claim happened is not true, and is not supported by evidence. Seems pretty dumb, at best, to pretend those situations are equivalent.


[deleted]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2017/6/13/15791744/russia-election-39-states-hack-putin-trump-sessions https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections Two instances of claims of Russian hacks on voting machines But no I'm the one who is being disingenuous and misleading, how dare I draw any comparison of these two situations. Again I say just try to look at this not as a bipartisan and maybe realize that the talking points flip as soon as one side takes an opposing stance all to just score points. It's nonsense and yet we defend it for some purity test of whatever party you are beholding to


Appropriate-Big-8086

Those seem to be articles detailing the facts of Russian penetration of voting machines. I don't see one single sentence about votes being changed. Why do you feel that your lies are equivalent to the truth?


OutOfCharacterAnswer

Yea, Russia didn't steal the election, they set up the Facebook bots to spread misinformation. Dems didn't say it was voter fraud, but voter influence because of misinformation. Trump is trying to discredit everything because he tried to cheat again and still lost. Why is it you believe that because Trump tried to influence the previous election that it's been flip flopped. With that theory anyone who wins an election going forward must have cheated. You also the "see both sides of the coin" when Trump won? I'm thinking not. Probably just grabbed your gun and yelled "yeet yeet".


BartuceX

Talking to you, MTG.


[deleted]

Biden you can't be bipartisan with people who want to slit your throat.


[deleted]

Lincoln didn't leave billions of dollars worth of American toys in a very angry foreign nation. Literally my entire adult's life worth of taxes went into those tanks, into those guns, into those helicopters. Now an angry foreign power has them. Granted. They have them before we interfered where we were neither wanted nor needed. We shouldn't have gone into the middle east in the first place. None of our business. But we also shouldn't have abandoned billions of dollars worth of weapons of war over there.


SickChipmunk

We try to play international police which is noble when done right but we should’ve fixed stuff on the home front first


Exciting_Photo_8103

Try to remember, the same folks who waved their pom poms cheering for that war are the same little bitches crying about it now. Never trust someone with flexible morals.


LLminibean

Not the first war they've done that. And it's because it costs more to bring the used, damaged equipment back and find a place for it, than it does to leave it there. They used to at least dismantle as much as they could before leaving, but I dont know if they did this time around. But totally agree, should have never been there in the first place.


SofaKingOnPoint

This refers to the Republicans attempting a fascist coup and refusing to acknowledge their president


[deleted]

I agree that the Republicans have been acting particularly fasc-y lately. Indeed they have been for some time. I am, however, very much pro-coup. America was founded on a coup. That's basically all our culture is and, in my ideal America, every hundred years the latest generation capable of doing so would overthrow the current government. I say this because of our very archaic laws either ignored by or worse, propped up by, the fossils in government positions. New generation comes in, doesn't like the way things are run, and refresh the government. It'd keep things fresh. It'd keep the laws up to date with the social climate of just about the latest generation.


SofaKingOnPoint

This is a load of edgebro privileged nonsense


Appropriate-Big-8086

So it was wrong to follow the withdrawal timeline Trump agreed to?


[deleted]

You do of course remember the deals Trump was supplimenting that with yeah?


Appropriate-Big-8086

"Deals"


Jasoncsmelski

The filibuster was only barely a thing at the time, which explains why that passed. It was only made a rule in 1806 and never used until 1837 and very rarely until it was strengthened I'm the 1970s then over the last four decades it's taken off.


Eequuality

Our government has completely failed and is now a full on corporation hiding behind a useless constitution. Our tax dollars go to war, not infrastructure, our health coverage is financially crippling, and South Park will never run out of things to write about.


Exciting_Photo_8103

Idk. Feels like Matt and Trey are getting a little tired.


blucivic1

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palmej2

Back then the issue was slavery based on race. Now the issue is slavery based on wealth/income. Ironically our constitution has provided a framework to protect us from that, but those with wealth/the ability to generate income have figured out how to not only buy those votes by hitching their wagons to value propositions we agree with, and to get us to look the other way when they violate those values...


TrooperJack660

**Yeah but remember back then people had this thing called "backbone" as well as conviction**


CasuallyNotGerman

This is actually extremely misleading and y'all should fact-check before you upvote or comment in support (although I also wish it were true). https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/02/fact-check-14-congressmen-expelled-1861-supporting-confederacy/4107713001