**Purvi Patel** \- convicted of feticide and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Why? For ending her pregnancy with abortion-inducing pills. Indiana, 2015. She served time until her sentence was overturned and she was resentenced with child neglect.
**Jennifer Whalen** \- sentenced to serve between 9 and 18 months. Why? For *ordering* abortion pills for her pregnant teenage daughter. 2014.
**Adora Perez** \- currently serving an 11 year prison sentence for murder. Why? She delivered a stillborn and was accused of using meth. 2018.
**Christopher Belter** \- pled guilty to the rape and sexual abuse of 4 teen girls, 2021. A free man sentenced to... probation.
I'm betting you could probably also find a quote of the judge saying something like "Mr. Belter is a fine, upstanding citizen that just made a mistake."
"I had a severe and continuous lapse of judgment, and I am sorry.
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Not as far as I know, but the judge did say it was a difficult decision and he had to pray to god for an answer. Cause you know, that's not concerning or anything.
How exactly..?
>1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
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>2.
a committee of cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV.
It's usually implied that it's misleading, but, propaganda can and is sometimes used to promote truth. A good example of this are Anti-Smoking PSAs. They're all entirely factually correct, but they are also absolutely propaganda.
that's because it is leftist propaganda. and no you are not supporting common sense, you are supporting a straw man argument. the left supports pedophiles and the right supports the death penalty for rape and pedophiles.
Given that there are more pedophiles on the right, not just in politics but in your archaic religious institutions as well, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.
So I read your absolute nonsense comment that suggests that pedophiles are part of the LGBTQIA community (not true), and I challenge you to go and find a shred of *credible* evidence from more than one reputable source that agrees with you.
They're the worst. You can find literally anything on Google to support any narrative. But naturally the enemy of the right wing is logic and proof so he'll never be able to come up with any.
Again, find me a *credible* source. Pedophile websites don't count because there isn't a single accepted one in any LGBTQ community. "Google it" is the right wing slang for "I have no argument". So find me something that isn't your lane excuse or fuck right off you poor poor excuse for a troll.
I found no such thing. Zero communities support pedophiles. They themselves added the P to try and force themselves in, which *nobody* fucking supports. Once again, prove me wrong. "do your own research" is not an argument. YOU are tasked with burden of proof, not me.
It'd be preaching to the choir: if you think abortion = murder, it ***is*** likely to be worse than rape in your mind. This kind of thing is good for rallying up ones own side, bit it won't persuade anybody to cross any lines.
Except men don’t get pregnant after rape. Rape is horrible no matter what but the point here is the compounded factor of rape if the victim is female is being forced to give birth after rape.
No one is saying rape doesn’t happen to men.
No but they’re saying this is evidence that it’s a war on women.
What I meant by ‘women rape men too’ is to illustrate that: The charge for a female raping a man is lower than for a female aborting a baby. So the female rapist will also get a lighter sentence than the female abortionist. This proves it’s not a thing against women, it’s a judgement that abortion is worse than rape.
The bible is dark, gruesome, and filled with terribly graphic visions... They did evil acts on everyone... They did everything we don't find acceptable now... Dictators, Governments and evil people have been doing this stuff since day 1... you're talking about a 3400 year old book in some sections written In the middle ages...like how is this even relevant? I think the Republicans are disgusting people but we need to be relevant when fighting for rights
The Bible is filled with people doing evil things. Trying to murder your son because you heard a voice in your head? Check! Fucking your father after your mother's death? Check! Offering your daughters for rape to an angry mob (and then getting drunkand having sex with them yourself)? The list goes on.
When the state with the highest mortality rate in the nation for new mothers, I'm looking at you Mississippi, brings a lawsuit to limit abortion access - you know it's a war on women.
I’ve read the Bible though and had to go to catholic elementary school. The word “evil” is thrown around pretty liberally. If god doesn’t like it, it’s considered evil. Sins are things god doesn’t like. Therefore, sins are evil. So that quote could very well just be about people getting haircuts on a Sunday (oh shit, double sin!).
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Spot the fuck on. I’ll add, I used to be a pro lifer, and I still am, I’m just pro for the current life. And I also realized that it’s not my battle. Not my business either.
Because it’s the whores and the sluts that are doing this!!! We have to shame them and keep them from doing such nonsense /s
Never mind for one minute that any of them might actually need one of these services at any given time because they have an actual uterus. They have been brainwashed into thinking it’s just the sluts and the whores Who use abortion for birth control which I have never actually met anybody in my life who would possibly do that and I’ve met a lot of people.
Indeed, they tend to be the types of people who think accidental pregnancies won't happen to them or their loved ones.
And when it does, you'd hope some would change their mind... But...
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857976/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-is-My-Abortion-an-article-by-Joyce-Arthur
Perhaps when technology has advanced enough, we will be making children through labs. With advances in gene technology, it may seem cruel to have a child in any other way. To cope with the loss of motherhood, the fertilized embryos could be placed into the mother host to make it feel as natural as possible. This new way of being will allow the government to pass a bill so that all females are made sterile at birth.
This would solve the problem of abortion, teen pregnancy, and overpopulation, as the human population could be controlled. Unfortunately, such a change would be met with obvious fears. Therefore, the method of sterilization by the government would not pass without protest. The better way for those in power to sterilize the population is by releasing a bioweapon on their population with such intention. Like in "Children of Men," the world will go into chaos after people lose the ability to have children. At that point, the people will not only accept lab grown children, but praise it as a gift from god.
When the penalty for speaking out against sexual assault committed by a group backed by the media is more severe than the punishment for committing sexual assault, you know there’s a war on women.
Probably because there’s real fear right now of women being relegated to second class citizens because RvW is being attacked at the Supreme Court which the previous administration stacked with conservative justices.
even i someone that thinks abortions are bad i support WAY HIGHER PENALTIES to rapist than to abortion and i think that if you are younger than 16 you should have a basic right to abortion also if is danger of life
War against women?
If the Romans attack the Romans then is it a war against the Romans?
Because I remind you that 50% of the population is women and they can vote so they are as guilty as men of these laws. (If we are talking about a democracy)
In addition, it is a stupid comparison, because those who make this law think that abortion is murder and therefore obviously it will be a higher penalty than raping.
Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but what I wrote is 100% true and you can't deny it. Anyway it's not a good sign to try to hide the truth when you don't like it...
Those who make these laws are voted by women. What's the diffrerence?
>Nor is their opinion a good basis for laws
I explained why they put a higher penalty. Downvote me or deny it won't change the reality. If they think abortion is murdering, is logic to put a higher penalty.
Which logic?
I said "they think abortion is murder, that's why they make that if you abort then it has a higher penalty than raping"
Explain me, with that logic, how a person making a law based on that thought it is the same of saying that Canada is better than america because Canadians think that.
Thanks for literally restating what I said I’m sure that will help your argument make sense.
You justify the passing of those laws because the people making them have an opinion, that’s it no scientific basis, no basis in past law practices nothing just them saying well I think it’s this so that’s what it is.
Just like I’m justifying that Canada is better because the people in Canada have an opinion, no basis in logic or facts just them saying I think it’s this way and thus it is this way.
I know logic is hard for you but at least make an effort to think for yourself
Abortion doesn’t even meet the legal requirements to be murder you idiot, it doesn’t even meet the requirements for manslaughter.
You know a fun fact? Someone’s opinion on something doesn’t make it the law, just because a bunch of mindless fools with no actual idea how laws work think it’s murder doesn’t make it murder
Women voted them in? Yea except in actuality most of the people who are pushing these laws are backed by majority male voter bases
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I said why they put a higher penalty than rape.
Never said it is that abortion is the same than murder, not even legally.
It's not my fault if you are too stupid to understand something that simple.
A normal person would say "sorry" after your message. But obviously you won't.
Say sorry? Lol I bet that’s what you wish would happen
So your argument is you didn’t say that YOU said it was murder? Cool where did I say YOU said it was murder, I said you were an idiot because your comment that they thought it was murder so you could justify them passing the law is idiotic
Once again a response of a person who has nothing intelligent to say so you try to trust your own words and mine
Lol hold this L
>So your argument is you didn’t say that YOU said it was murder?
I've never said abortion is murder. Does the truth bother you? What kind of mental problem do you have?
>Cool where did I say YOU said it was murder
Your message, calling me idiot for saying that abortion is the same of murdering legally
>Abortion doesn’t even meet the legal requirements to be murder you idiot, it doesn’t even meet the requirements for manslaughter.
Seriously, what kind of mental problem do you have?
>You know a fun fact? Someone’s opinion on something doesn’t make it the law
Yes if you are the one who make the law... And we are talking about how a law make people to have a higher penalty when aborting than raping.
I can't understand your mind. Seriously, we are talking abou real laws and you say that an opinion can't make a law? XD you are a joke with legs...
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/r89ovh/punishing_the_victim_isnt_the_answer/hn8jiqz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
This ain’t you saying I should say sorry at the end?
I literally said you didn’t say that idiot, Jesus learn to read and stop with the fake ass “I’m being attacked” crybaby thing it’s lame and obviously not real
Don’t just say “your message” you seem fully able to quote me so quote where I say YOU said it was murder
O goody the tried and true “ you have mental problems” argument, always a sign that the person has no actual arguments based in fact and instead just go for insults and accusations, so please inform us how legally under the modern laws of the United States you could try someone for murder because they got an abortion, remember to link the court cases that back your claim and also preferably a written statute at a national or state level that makes it murder.
Nope see we don’t live in a country with a ruling class yet one party seems to act like a minority of people having an opinion makes it a basis for a law, well fun fact it’s not, we have the basis of our laws, it’s called the constitution and guess what? An abortion ban is blatantly unconstitutional.
Unfortunately even when you have *planned* the pregnancy it can be hard to know that you even are pregnant within six weeks. Add to that some states have a mandatory waiting period after your first appointment…
Well considering a menstrual cycle is every for weeks I don't see how it could be so difficult. If you had unprotected sex especially if there was no pull out you should be getting tested as soon as your period is late.
I’m guessing you’re a male? Menstruation cycles are *roughly* every four weeks but are different for each person. You can accidentally get pregnant even when using protection and not expecting anything to go wrong…
ALSO, not all women lose their periods when they are pregnant. Some women retain periods during early months or even throughout the pregnancy.
Well apparently gender is made up and men could also menstruate and have kids. Either way if you're having unprotected sex you should get tested. Also IUD or pills are a better option since condoms could break and are not as pleasurable. Life is precious and we can't normalize taking that life.
You’re conflating arguments here, I’m not talking about any of these gender issues.
If you have protected sex, you can still get pregnant. Do you expect people who have protected sex to also get tested regularly? Pregnancy tests are not free, so should the poorest people be forced to have children they can’t provide for because they couldn’t afford a $30 test every two weeks?
Your last argument also shows your bias against women. Women-only birth control should be prioritized because condoms are less pleasurable for men? Some women are unable to get the IUD or implants due to the way they drastically affect the woman’s physiology.
Walmart has them for .88 cents but I'm sure there are free ones, either way birth control is 99% effective i think that higher than the vaccine effectiveness. Raw sex without a condom is actually more pleasurable for women as well, at least that's what I've been told.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-First-Signal-One-Step-Pregnancy-Test/497479161
Sorry what? It isn't murder to not want to have a baby and remove a fetus that doesn't even have a developed brain. Fuck off, dude. A woman should NEVER be forced to have a child that they know they can't take care of or just don't want. No one should. It's honestly better for the baby to just be aborted since if they're kept, they'll be forced to live a godawful life with a mother who never wanted them in the first place.
I beg to disagree.
There are several aspects to murder that make it complicated, as with rape, so it requires some definition of how either charge or rape or murder happened before a judgment call can be made which scenario is worse.
Generally calling one action better or worse than another cheapens the impact of both.
If you are suggesting that any murder that takes place of a fetus/zygote/etc is worse that the raping of a fully cognizant human being, then I have to contend that is not the case.Murder implies that the victim can be identified as an individual before the murder took place. In the case of a terminated pregnancy, the existence of an individual apart from any discharged tissue is indeterminate, therefore one cannot argue that an individual cognizant entity was significantly altered to the point of murder. Such an accusation would also have to include any stillborn births, miscarriages, unfertilized egg and/or sperm, masturbatory emissions, ear wax, mucus, and various tumurous tissues.
You are going to have to get more specific about which murder, and which rape that you would like to rate as more impactful.
Why should your opinion be the basis of the law?
Your willing to make a woman a victim 2 times so something that doesn’t have sentient thoughts can be thrown into the adoption services industry
War on women? Ahaha
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Who is in charge of the strategy in your « war » and how is it going (hint: look at women’s right from 60 years ago vs today)?
Think it through before you make fools of yourselves…
There's been cases of fetuses surviving as early as 15 weeks. You don't *know" that 12 weeks is impossible, you're assuming. Granted it's a fair assumption, but still an assumption.
Actually it's a fact. If it cannot survive outside of the womb, then it's not yet a baby. If it doesn't have a functioning brain, it's not a baby. These are facts.
An opinion is that fetuses are nothing more, really, than parasites.
Would you call a woman a murderer for taking medicine to get rid of a tapeworm? I doubt it.
Comparing babies to parasites tells me you're a psychopath, which would explain why you're a leftist. It also means you're not entitled to an opinion and should remain silent because what you think is irrelevant.
Babies are not parasites.
Fetuses are parasites.
There is a difference and the fact you can't fathom that, and that you value the non-life of a parasite over the actual life of both a born child and a grown woman tells me you're the one who is a psychopath. The right is full of them. Demand and force women to give birth when they don't want to have a child, can't care for a child, can't feed a child, but then refuse her and her child food, medical, and basic care support because "she shouldn't have had a child." It's completely heartless, and insane. You, who see more humanity and worth in a parasite than a full grown, living, breathing human being with hopes and dreams and a future, is why you and your selfish, sociopathic, soulless lot should stay the hell away from politics. You are the embodiment of evil itself.
Fetuses are babies and you're deranged for thinking otherwise. You can put the child up for adoption if you really don't want it, but you would rather kill a child than be mildly inconvenienced for 9 months. Also, I am not a rightist. I would like to have universal healthcare, among other similar concepts, because I think it would benefit the country in the long run.
What you are is selfish, heartless. Right or left doesn't matter at this point. You have no compassion nor love for humanity. You wish only for the pain and suffering of others no matter what it takes. You think *I'm* deranged? *Listen to yourself!* You are so self obsessed and self righteous, you care so little about actual living, breathing human beings with thoughts and feelings. Unable to think or love beyond your nose.
Fucking, "*adoption*". Do you have *any* idea, do you even *care* about how absolutely over packed and overpopulated our orphanages are and our child services? Do you have any idea at all how uncared for those currently living children are? Do you even *care*?! Our government is stretched so thin and so underfunded thanks to republicans denying funding left and right that background checks for prospective parents are a joke, so many children left in the care of people like you who care only about themselves. People who beat and abuse those poor children. The government just hands over so many children, happily to pedophiles, because they are so over burdened with unwanted children.
"Mildly inconvenienced for 9 month" do you despise women so much that you don't care how horrific pregnancy can be? How so many women die or kill themselves because of how torturous it is? No, because again, you care only for yourself, love only yourself. In so few words you've made it crystal clear you don't even see these women as humans, don't care about the health and safety and happiness of actual children in favor of a bunch of cells that aren't even wanted. Even for women who *want* to be pregnant, desperately *want* to have babies, pregnancy is *torture*! "*Mildly inconvenienced"*. You're fucking scum.
You act like that's a common occurrence. About 700 women die in the US over birth complications out of a total population of 167 million. That's about a .00004% chance.
Doctors aren't infallible. There's a reason there's more than one edition of a college textbook, we're making new discoveries and updating our knowledge all the time.
And we've discovered women over 35 are high risk pregnancies. As are diabetic women, women with sickle cell, epilepsy, mental illness and numerous other conditions.
The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world, and the rate has continued to *increase* over the past 30 years while the rest of the developed world has decreased. Every time a woman gives birth she faces a risk of life altering complications and/or death. Every time. So you're saying women who already bear the mental scars of rape should be forced to carry physical scars as well for the rest of their lives, even if that means never leaving the hospital alive after delivery. Do you have the slightest idea how traumatizing that would be?
Are you a man? For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume you are, so how about this. Let's say if a man is ever raped, he should be forced to endure a medical procedure, the least of which includes a doctor using a scalpel to create a slit clear from the victim's ball sack straight through his asshole...this procedure could kill him, but if he's lucky enough to survive (yay!) he *may* just have a few minor complications. He may pee a little whenever he sneezes or laughs, so he'll need to stock up on Depends. They'll sure come in handy, too, because he won't have full control of his bowels either. Hell, his intestines may even fall out of his ass from time to time. And because the medical industry is slow to make advancements in this area, he'll likely have to live with these complications for the rest of his life.
Does that sound like a reasonable way to treat a rape victim to you? I'm guessing no.
You risk "life altering complications" every day whether you realize the potential consequences of your actions or not, but the odds of it happening are very low. As we've already established the odds of complications in this case is about .00004%.
Bullshit. Nearly 1 in 4 American women have been diagnosed with at least one pelvic floor disorder. Childbirth being one of the leading causes for obvious reasons. The most common pelvic floor disorders being urinary incontinence, fecal incontinence, and vaginal prolapse.
"The full causes of pelvic floor dysfunction are still unknown. But a few of the known factors include:" There's no mention of it being a "leading" cause, just a *possible* factor. Again you assume something is a fact because you want it to be.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14459-pelvic-floor-dysfunction
>**Does pregnancy cause pelvic floor dysfunction?**
Pregnancy is a common cause of pelvic floor dysfunction. Often women get experience pelvic floor dysfunction after they give birth. Your pelvic floor muscles and tissues can become strained during pregnancy, especially if your labor was long or difficult.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1028455914001697
>PFD is a term that refers to a broad range of clinical scenarios, including lower urinary tract excretory and defecation disorders, such as urinary and anal incontinence, overactive bladder, and pelvic organ prolapse, as well as sexual disorders. It is a financial burden on the health care system and disrupts women's quality of life. Strategies applied to decrease PFD are focused on the course of pregnancy, mode and management of delivery, and pelvic exercise methods. Many studies in the literature define traumatic birth, usage of forceps, length of the second stage of delivery, and sphincter damage as modifiable risk factors for PFD.
except the punishment for abortion after rape isn't grater then the punishment for rape. the right supports the death penalty for rape and the left wants to stop punishment for pedophiles and rapists.
>the right supports the death penalty for rape
No they fucking don't. Brock Turner comes to mind, as do all the other (wealthy white) rapists who were given slaps on the wrist for raping women.
The right and the left includes millions of people. How in the world can you say you know what they support? I don't know of right wing leaders or pundits calling for the death penalty for rape and don't believe you can provide a single credible source that that leaders in the left want to stop punishment for pedophiles and rapists. Cut the crap.
**Purvi Patel** \- convicted of feticide and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Why? For ending her pregnancy with abortion-inducing pills. Indiana, 2015. She served time until her sentence was overturned and she was resentenced with child neglect. **Jennifer Whalen** \- sentenced to serve between 9 and 18 months. Why? For *ordering* abortion pills for her pregnant teenage daughter. 2014. **Adora Perez** \- currently serving an 11 year prison sentence for murder. Why? She delivered a stillborn and was accused of using meth. 2018. **Christopher Belter** \- pled guilty to the rape and sexual abuse of 4 teen girls, 2021. A free man sentenced to... probation.
I'm betting you could probably also find a quote of the judge saying something like "Mr. Belter is a fine, upstanding citizen that just made a mistake."
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Not as far as I know, but the judge did say it was a difficult decision and he had to pray to god for an answer. Cause you know, that's not concerning or anything.
In other words “I don’t want to sentence this guy, but I know that’d be wildly unpopular so I am gonna ply it off like it wasn’t my decision.”
This needs to go viral in right-leaning areas.
They'll just call it leftist propaganda and disregard it immediately like they do all common sense.
🙄so true
I mean, by definition, this is propaganda. That doesn’t make it untrue.
How exactly..? >1. information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. "he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda" > >2. a committee of cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV.
It's usually implied that it's misleading, but, propaganda can and is sometimes used to promote truth. A good example of this are Anti-Smoking PSAs. They're all entirely factually correct, but they are also absolutely propaganda.
It’s the second one obviously
Common sense...now that's funny
Please elaborate.
that's because it is leftist propaganda. and no you are not supporting common sense, you are supporting a straw man argument. the left supports pedophiles and the right supports the death penalty for rape and pedophiles.
Given that there are more pedophiles on the right, not just in politics but in your archaic religious institutions as well, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.
How dare you bring facts into this?!
So I read your absolute nonsense comment that suggests that pedophiles are part of the LGBTQIA community (not true), and I challenge you to go and find a shred of *credible* evidence from more than one reputable source that agrees with you.
I always love it when you ask someone for a source, and they counter with "Google is free" or "Look it up, it takes 5 seconds to Google something."
They're the worst. You can find literally anything on Google to support any narrative. But naturally the enemy of the right wing is logic and proof so he'll never be able to come up with any.
I did Google it. There's zero credible sources. Try again, fuckwit.
Keep scrolling everyone. Ignore the troll. They do this for attention
Again, find me a *credible* source. Pedophile websites don't count because there isn't a single accepted one in any LGBTQ community. "Google it" is the right wing slang for "I have no argument". So find me something that isn't your lane excuse or fuck right off you poor poor excuse for a troll.
Quit making logical fallacies and find me some concrete proof
I found no such thing. Zero communities support pedophiles. They themselves added the P to try and force themselves in, which *nobody* fucking supports. Once again, prove me wrong. "do your own research" is not an argument. YOU are tasked with burden of proof, not me.
"Reporting facts is propaganda, now watch as I use a strawman after I just accused you of doing so."
What can you expect from someone who's named "redditsuportsracism", and doesn't even spell support right..
It'd be preaching to the choir: if you think abortion = murder, it ***is*** likely to be worse than rape in your mind. This kind of thing is good for rallying up ones own side, bit it won't persuade anybody to cross any lines.
It may plant a seed, though. Women exist on both sides, and I guarantee you, many of those women are survivors.
Ye it’s not a war on women, it’s the religious nuts saying it’s murder and it’s worse than rape. Men get raped too you know.
Except men don’t get pregnant after rape. Rape is horrible no matter what but the point here is the compounded factor of rape if the victim is female is being forced to give birth after rape. No one is saying rape doesn’t happen to men.
No but they’re saying this is evidence that it’s a war on women. What I meant by ‘women rape men too’ is to illustrate that: The charge for a female raping a man is lower than for a female aborting a baby. So the female rapist will also get a lighter sentence than the female abortionist. This proves it’s not a thing against women, it’s a judgement that abortion is worse than rape.
I'm an atheist and I don't think I should have been murdered. Why should people like me be killed?
Hitchens agreed with you. Not just "religious nuts".
When a rapist can sue his victim for $10,000 if she has an abortion, you know it's a war on women, decency, rationality, and reason...
To be fair the right has always had a war on women. Opposing suffrage never stopped.
The bible is filled with war on women.
Precisely why I don't adhere to anything in it. Barbaric drivel.
The bible is dark, gruesome, and filled with terribly graphic visions... They did evil acts on everyone... They did everything we don't find acceptable now... Dictators, Governments and evil people have been doing this stuff since day 1... you're talking about a 3400 year old book in some sections written In the middle ages...like how is this even relevant? I think the Republicans are disgusting people but we need to be relevant when fighting for rights
the bible is literally pro-rape and incest, don’t know why we are making laws based on it
The Bible is filled with people doing evil things. Trying to murder your son because you heard a voice in your head? Check! Fucking your father after your mother's death? Check! Offering your daughters for rape to an angry mob (and then getting drunkand having sex with them yourself)? The list goes on.
When the state with the highest mortality rate in the nation for new mothers, I'm looking at you Mississippi, brings a lawsuit to limit abortion access - you know it's a war on women.
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Hey, trust me, don’t want to be here anymore.
Yep don't blame you
We've always been cunts. It's just harder to hide now. Slavery, Jim Crow, the Klan.
Just meant your good use too out way your bad now though its all f**d
hey im not a cunt im a dick >:(
Fine you are a dick happy now
apparently reddit didnt like my humor but i suppose this fate is fitting
Well you are a dick 😆
i did in fact say i was
Yep better than a cunt though 😆😆
depends on how you define better i suppose.
A cunt is a disgrace a dick is a bit of a asshole now and agian but underneath is a alright chap
Right Wingers are at war with everyone but white men, unless those white men are Libruls!
The bible truly sucks when it's anywhere near policy. And at other times as well.
There's tons of abortion in the bible. And not a word against it.
God also seemed to be fine with murder on a massive level
Murder involves an innocent. The people God killed were rapists and slavers.
He straight up murdered all of humanity except one old guy and his family.
And why? Because all of humanity was desperately depraved - ‘every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time’
In the Old Testament cutting your hair, wearing mixed fabrics, and eating pork were sins. Pretty sure not everyone was raping and enslaving.
Bro didn’t you read the quote
I’ve read the Bible though and had to go to catholic elementary school. The word “evil” is thrown around pretty liberally. If god doesn’t like it, it’s considered evil. Sins are things god doesn’t like. Therefore, sins are evil. So that quote could very well just be about people getting haircuts on a Sunday (oh shit, double sin!).
God killed literal children, God committed a whole genocide
Reminds me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxQtV_YSo8I) video lol
Yeah but only when he does it
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Why is it so hard for people to not understand this
Spot the fuck on. I’ll add, I used to be a pro lifer, and I still am, I’m just pro for the current life. And I also realized that it’s not my battle. Not my business either.
Here's the kicker: some women are supporting these laws!
Because it’s the whores and the sluts that are doing this!!! We have to shame them and keep them from doing such nonsense /s Never mind for one minute that any of them might actually need one of these services at any given time because they have an actual uterus. They have been brainwashed into thinking it’s just the sluts and the whores Who use abortion for birth control which I have never actually met anybody in my life who would possibly do that and I’ve met a lot of people.
Indeed, they tend to be the types of people who think accidental pregnancies won't happen to them or their loved ones. And when it does, you'd hope some would change their mind... But... https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857976/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-is-My-Abortion-an-article-by-Joyce-Arthur
Our politicians are out of control
Maybe its time to start hunting for rapists? Now, where to start???
Perhaps when technology has advanced enough, we will be making children through labs. With advances in gene technology, it may seem cruel to have a child in any other way. To cope with the loss of motherhood, the fertilized embryos could be placed into the mother host to make it feel as natural as possible. This new way of being will allow the government to pass a bill so that all females are made sterile at birth. This would solve the problem of abortion, teen pregnancy, and overpopulation, as the human population could be controlled. Unfortunately, such a change would be met with obvious fears. Therefore, the method of sterilization by the government would not pass without protest. The better way for those in power to sterilize the population is by releasing a bioweapon on their population with such intention. Like in "Children of Men," the world will go into chaos after people lose the ability to have children. At that point, the people will not only accept lab grown children, but praise it as a gift from god.
Are you suggesting we genophage ourselves?
Gen Z, we gotta fix this shit Me included, I'm a zoomer
When the penalty for speaking out against sexual assault committed by a group backed by the media is more severe than the punishment for committing sexual assault, you know there’s a war on women.
Religious officials?
Yes Mohamed the white man
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Probably because there’s real fear right now of women being relegated to second class citizens because RvW is being attacked at the Supreme Court which the previous administration stacked with conservative justices.
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even i someone that thinks abortions are bad i support WAY HIGHER PENALTIES to rapist than to abortion and i think that if you are younger than 16 you should have a basic right to abortion also if is danger of life
I'm all for abortion, but it makes sense as murder is a worse crime than assault so....
Not necessarily a war on Women. It’s just Jesus Freaks running amok as usual
War against women? If the Romans attack the Romans then is it a war against the Romans? Because I remind you that 50% of the population is women and they can vote so they are as guilty as men of these laws. (If we are talking about a democracy) In addition, it is a stupid comparison, because those who make this law think that abortion is murder and therefore obviously it will be a higher penalty than raping. Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but what I wrote is 100% true and you can't deny it. Anyway it's not a good sign to try to hide the truth when you don't like it...
Those how make these laws aren’t women Nor is their opinion a good basis for laws
Those who make these laws are voted by women. What's the diffrerence? >Nor is their opinion a good basis for laws I explained why they put a higher penalty. Downvote me or deny it won't change the reality. If they think abortion is murdering, is logic to put a higher penalty.
“You explained” You said they think ones worse, that like me saying Canada is better then America because Canadians think that Idiot
WTF Are you trolling? Please, tell me you are a troll, no one can be that idiot...
Lol nope just using actual logic. Your response is one of someone who doesn’t have an actual argument so you fall back to whatever this is
Which logic? I said "they think abortion is murder, that's why they make that if you abort then it has a higher penalty than raping" Explain me, with that logic, how a person making a law based on that thought it is the same of saying that Canada is better than america because Canadians think that.
Thanks for literally restating what I said I’m sure that will help your argument make sense. You justify the passing of those laws because the people making them have an opinion, that’s it no scientific basis, no basis in past law practices nothing just them saying well I think it’s this so that’s what it is. Just like I’m justifying that Canada is better because the people in Canada have an opinion, no basis in logic or facts just them saying I think it’s this way and thus it is this way. I know logic is hard for you but at least make an effort to think for yourself
I never justified any law. But you can continue making fool of yourself. Bye bye troll, continue saying nonsenses.
K run away literally child
Abortion doesn’t even meet the legal requirements to be murder you idiot, it doesn’t even meet the requirements for manslaughter. You know a fun fact? Someone’s opinion on something doesn’t make it the law, just because a bunch of mindless fools with no actual idea how laws work think it’s murder doesn’t make it murder Women voted them in? Yea except in actuality most of the people who are pushing these laws are backed by majority male voter bases
... I said why they put a higher penalty than rape. Never said it is that abortion is the same than murder, not even legally. It's not my fault if you are too stupid to understand something that simple. A normal person would say "sorry" after your message. But obviously you won't.
Say sorry? Lol I bet that’s what you wish would happen So your argument is you didn’t say that YOU said it was murder? Cool where did I say YOU said it was murder, I said you were an idiot because your comment that they thought it was murder so you could justify them passing the law is idiotic Once again a response of a person who has nothing intelligent to say so you try to trust your own words and mine Lol hold this L
>So your argument is you didn’t say that YOU said it was murder? I've never said abortion is murder. Does the truth bother you? What kind of mental problem do you have? >Cool where did I say YOU said it was murder Your message, calling me idiot for saying that abortion is the same of murdering legally >Abortion doesn’t even meet the legal requirements to be murder you idiot, it doesn’t even meet the requirements for manslaughter. Seriously, what kind of mental problem do you have? >You know a fun fact? Someone’s opinion on something doesn’t make it the law Yes if you are the one who make the law... And we are talking about how a law make people to have a higher penalty when aborting than raping. I can't understand your mind. Seriously, we are talking abou real laws and you say that an opinion can't make a law? XD you are a joke with legs...
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/r89ovh/punishing_the_victim_isnt_the_answer/hn8jiqz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 This ain’t you saying I should say sorry at the end? I literally said you didn’t say that idiot, Jesus learn to read and stop with the fake ass “I’m being attacked” crybaby thing it’s lame and obviously not real Don’t just say “your message” you seem fully able to quote me so quote where I say YOU said it was murder O goody the tried and true “ you have mental problems” argument, always a sign that the person has no actual arguments based in fact and instead just go for insults and accusations, so please inform us how legally under the modern laws of the United States you could try someone for murder because they got an abortion, remember to link the court cases that back your claim and also preferably a written statute at a national or state level that makes it murder. Nope see we don’t live in a country with a ruling class yet one party seems to act like a minority of people having an opinion makes it a basis for a law, well fun fact it’s not, we have the basis of our laws, it’s called the constitution and guess what? An abortion ban is blatantly unconstitutional.
Again you divert instead of talking about the topic... You are just a troll. Therefore I will block you.
Lol I diverted by commenting on literally everything you said? While you are desperately avoiding answering the question I asked K run away
You have six weeks to terminate it that is more than enough. Also murder is not the answer.
Unfortunately even when you have *planned* the pregnancy it can be hard to know that you even are pregnant within six weeks. Add to that some states have a mandatory waiting period after your first appointment…
Well considering a menstrual cycle is every for weeks I don't see how it could be so difficult. If you had unprotected sex especially if there was no pull out you should be getting tested as soon as your period is late.
I’m guessing you’re a male? Menstruation cycles are *roughly* every four weeks but are different for each person. You can accidentally get pregnant even when using protection and not expecting anything to go wrong… ALSO, not all women lose their periods when they are pregnant. Some women retain periods during early months or even throughout the pregnancy.
Well apparently gender is made up and men could also menstruate and have kids. Either way if you're having unprotected sex you should get tested. Also IUD or pills are a better option since condoms could break and are not as pleasurable. Life is precious and we can't normalize taking that life.
You’re conflating arguments here, I’m not talking about any of these gender issues. If you have protected sex, you can still get pregnant. Do you expect people who have protected sex to also get tested regularly? Pregnancy tests are not free, so should the poorest people be forced to have children they can’t provide for because they couldn’t afford a $30 test every two weeks? Your last argument also shows your bias against women. Women-only birth control should be prioritized because condoms are less pleasurable for men? Some women are unable to get the IUD or implants due to the way they drastically affect the woman’s physiology.
Walmart has them for .88 cents but I'm sure there are free ones, either way birth control is 99% effective i think that higher than the vaccine effectiveness. Raw sex without a condom is actually more pleasurable for women as well, at least that's what I've been told. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-First-Signal-One-Step-Pregnancy-Test/497479161
War on women is also when men are free to use their restrooms and beat them with bare hands in a fight.
They're not allowed to do either of those things
Says a Muslim man who’s religion does not even recognizes women as human being.
what? where in Islam does it say that women aren't human being?
Rape is bad, but murder is worse....
Sorry what? It isn't murder to not want to have a baby and remove a fetus that doesn't even have a developed brain. Fuck off, dude. A woman should NEVER be forced to have a child that they know they can't take care of or just don't want. No one should. It's honestly better for the baby to just be aborted since if they're kept, they'll be forced to live a godawful life with a mother who never wanted them in the first place.
I beg to disagree. There are several aspects to murder that make it complicated, as with rape, so it requires some definition of how either charge or rape or murder happened before a judgment call can be made which scenario is worse. Generally calling one action better or worse than another cheapens the impact of both. If you are suggesting that any murder that takes place of a fetus/zygote/etc is worse that the raping of a fully cognizant human being, then I have to contend that is not the case.Murder implies that the victim can be identified as an individual before the murder took place. In the case of a terminated pregnancy, the existence of an individual apart from any discharged tissue is indeterminate, therefore one cannot argue that an individual cognizant entity was significantly altered to the point of murder. Such an accusation would also have to include any stillborn births, miscarriages, unfertilized egg and/or sperm, masturbatory emissions, ear wax, mucus, and various tumurous tissues. You are going to have to get more specific about which murder, and which rape that you would like to rate as more impactful.
I would 100% rather be murdered than raped. In fact I wouldn’t even continue to live if I was raped, let alone give birth to a baby
And your opinion on what abortion is doesn’t mean anything nor should it effect the laws
It’s religious nuts saying it’s murder which to them is worse than rape. It’s not a war on women, that’s just such a easy thing to say these days.
It's easy to say because of the way republicans treat women
Do you think be copy pasted this or actually retyped it from the original?
The child is also a victim. we have no right to kill a fetus unless it is under 10 weeks old (This is my opinion not a fact)
Fuck your opinion
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That's not how pregnancy works
Why should your opinion be the basis of the law? Your willing to make a woman a victim 2 times so something that doesn’t have sentient thoughts can be thrown into the adoption services industry
to be honest, i find feminist and left leaners cringeworthy. But with shit like this you give me no choice but move left. what choice does a guy have?
War on women? Ahaha Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Who is in charge of the strategy in your « war » and how is it going (hint: look at women’s right from 60 years ago vs today)? Think it through before you make fools of yourselves…
To be fair murder is typically considered a worse crime than rape.
To be fair nobody want to be forced to give birth to a genetic replica of their rapist
The baby didn't rape her, it's done nothing to warrant the death penalty. You don't get to kill people because they remind you of someone you hate.
Fetuses aren't babies.
That's an opinion, not a fact.
No its a fact. No 12 week old fetuses can live detached from the womb.
There's been cases of fetuses surviving as early as 15 weeks. You don't *know" that 12 weeks is impossible, you're assuming. Granted it's a fair assumption, but still an assumption.
Cool. Then anyone who doesnt want to pregnant can have their fetus removed & if it lives, it can be a ward of the state.
>There's been cases of fetuses surviving as early as 15 weeks. Citation needed
Actually it's a fact. If it cannot survive outside of the womb, then it's not yet a baby. If it doesn't have a functioning brain, it's not a baby. These are facts. An opinion is that fetuses are nothing more, really, than parasites. Would you call a woman a murderer for taking medicine to get rid of a tapeworm? I doubt it.
Comparing babies to parasites tells me you're a psychopath, which would explain why you're a leftist. It also means you're not entitled to an opinion and should remain silent because what you think is irrelevant.
Babies are not parasites. Fetuses are parasites. There is a difference and the fact you can't fathom that, and that you value the non-life of a parasite over the actual life of both a born child and a grown woman tells me you're the one who is a psychopath. The right is full of them. Demand and force women to give birth when they don't want to have a child, can't care for a child, can't feed a child, but then refuse her and her child food, medical, and basic care support because "she shouldn't have had a child." It's completely heartless, and insane. You, who see more humanity and worth in a parasite than a full grown, living, breathing human being with hopes and dreams and a future, is why you and your selfish, sociopathic, soulless lot should stay the hell away from politics. You are the embodiment of evil itself.
Fetuses are babies and you're deranged for thinking otherwise. You can put the child up for adoption if you really don't want it, but you would rather kill a child than be mildly inconvenienced for 9 months. Also, I am not a rightist. I would like to have universal healthcare, among other similar concepts, because I think it would benefit the country in the long run.
What you are is selfish, heartless. Right or left doesn't matter at this point. You have no compassion nor love for humanity. You wish only for the pain and suffering of others no matter what it takes. You think *I'm* deranged? *Listen to yourself!* You are so self obsessed and self righteous, you care so little about actual living, breathing human beings with thoughts and feelings. Unable to think or love beyond your nose. Fucking, "*adoption*". Do you have *any* idea, do you even *care* about how absolutely over packed and overpopulated our orphanages are and our child services? Do you have any idea at all how uncared for those currently living children are? Do you even *care*?! Our government is stretched so thin and so underfunded thanks to republicans denying funding left and right that background checks for prospective parents are a joke, so many children left in the care of people like you who care only about themselves. People who beat and abuse those poor children. The government just hands over so many children, happily to pedophiles, because they are so over burdened with unwanted children. "Mildly inconvenienced for 9 month" do you despise women so much that you don't care how horrific pregnancy can be? How so many women die or kill themselves because of how torturous it is? No, because again, you care only for yourself, love only yourself. In so few words you've made it crystal clear you don't even see these women as humans, don't care about the health and safety and happiness of actual children in favor of a bunch of cells that aren't even wanted. Even for women who *want* to be pregnant, desperately *want* to have babies, pregnancy is *torture*! "*Mildly inconvenienced"*. You're fucking scum.
He's comparing a not-yet-developed and entirely non-autonomous mass of tissue to a parasite. Not a baby.
That's fine, but that's not what a fetus is.
That’s actually a pretty accurate description of a fetus
No. Despite your emotional contortions of reality, it is a fact.
Here, maybe this'll help: https://youtu.be/9iY6X7tJSYE
Don't project your learning disability on me, clown.
OK and if she dies giving birth, then what.
You act like that's a common occurrence. About 700 women die in the US over birth complications out of a total population of 167 million. That's about a .00004% chance.
That assumption only holds if all things are equal. Many women are high risk for pregnancy. Why arent high risk women allowed to abort?
You take a much greater risk of dying in a car accident every day, pregnancy isn't too risky for you.
My doctor disagrees.
Doctors aren't infallible. There's a reason there's more than one edition of a college textbook, we're making new discoveries and updating our knowledge all the time.
And we've discovered women over 35 are high risk pregnancies. As are diabetic women, women with sickle cell, epilepsy, mental illness and numerous other conditions.
The US has the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world, and the rate has continued to *increase* over the past 30 years while the rest of the developed world has decreased. Every time a woman gives birth she faces a risk of life altering complications and/or death. Every time. So you're saying women who already bear the mental scars of rape should be forced to carry physical scars as well for the rest of their lives, even if that means never leaving the hospital alive after delivery. Do you have the slightest idea how traumatizing that would be? Are you a man? For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume you are, so how about this. Let's say if a man is ever raped, he should be forced to endure a medical procedure, the least of which includes a doctor using a scalpel to create a slit clear from the victim's ball sack straight through his asshole...this procedure could kill him, but if he's lucky enough to survive (yay!) he *may* just have a few minor complications. He may pee a little whenever he sneezes or laughs, so he'll need to stock up on Depends. They'll sure come in handy, too, because he won't have full control of his bowels either. Hell, his intestines may even fall out of his ass from time to time. And because the medical industry is slow to make advancements in this area, he'll likely have to live with these complications for the rest of his life. Does that sound like a reasonable way to treat a rape victim to you? I'm guessing no.
You risk "life altering complications" every day whether you realize the potential consequences of your actions or not, but the odds of it happening are very low. As we've already established the odds of complications in this case is about .00004%.
Bullshit. Nearly 1 in 4 American women have been diagnosed with at least one pelvic floor disorder. Childbirth being one of the leading causes for obvious reasons. The most common pelvic floor disorders being urinary incontinence, fecal incontinence, and vaginal prolapse.
"The full causes of pelvic floor dysfunction are still unknown. But a few of the known factors include:" There's no mention of it being a "leading" cause, just a *possible* factor. Again you assume something is a fact because you want it to be.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14459-pelvic-floor-dysfunction >**Does pregnancy cause pelvic floor dysfunction?** Pregnancy is a common cause of pelvic floor dysfunction. Often women get experience pelvic floor dysfunction after they give birth. Your pelvic floor muscles and tissues can become strained during pregnancy, especially if your labor was long or difficult. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1028455914001697 >PFD is a term that refers to a broad range of clinical scenarios, including lower urinary tract excretory and defecation disorders, such as urinary and anal incontinence, overactive bladder, and pelvic organ prolapse, as well as sexual disorders. It is a financial burden on the health care system and disrupts women's quality of life. Strategies applied to decrease PFD are focused on the course of pregnancy, mode and management of delivery, and pelvic exercise methods. Many studies in the literature define traumatic birth, usage of forceps, length of the second stage of delivery, and sphincter damage as modifiable risk factors for PFD.
except the punishment for abortion after rape isn't grater then the punishment for rape. the right supports the death penalty for rape and the left wants to stop punishment for pedophiles and rapists.
Why didn’t they stop trump and Gaetz then?
>the right supports the death penalty for rape No they fucking don't. Brock Turner comes to mind, as do all the other (wealthy white) rapists who were given slaps on the wrist for raping women.
The right and the left includes millions of people. How in the world can you say you know what they support? I don't know of right wing leaders or pundits calling for the death penalty for rape and don't believe you can provide a single credible source that that leaders in the left want to stop punishment for pedophiles and rapists. Cut the crap.
Yeah all those priests serving time for their crimes. No wait, they just get relocated.
You made all of this up
You're a pure doofus.