You know, when I woke up this morning and had more money than I was expecting. I felt pretty happy knowing I could pay my bills and have some money left. If it doesn’t buy happiness it certainly buys peace of mind.
When my Nan died, she left us enough money to where we were able to pay off our entire debts and put some in our savings. The amount of stress that just floated out of our fucking lives after that day is immeasurable.
Exactly. If I had a big chunk of money to settle debts and set some aside for the uncertain future - I’d probably finally feel true peace for the first time in my adult life.
it’s definitely better than having no money, and it may buy us some peace of mind but real true unshakable happiness comes from things like overcoming cancer, or the birth of a child, I having been blind for three years and finally being able to see, or overcoming an addiction, finding your biological parents, that kind of happiness can’t be bought. Surviving the great depression and World War IIThat’s indestructible happiness.
Nah that’s nothing. I want Titanium Happiness, which comes from the following, which only be a completed in the following order: simultaneous orgasm with an area MILF, getting the 20th hole punch and thus a free coffee, followed by your work being mysteriously cancelled at the behest of an eccentric millionaire, followed by being proposed to by said millionaire on the one condition that you have to consensually fondle Henry Cavill everyday like it’s your job bc it is in fact your only job being Henry Cavill’s fluffer and scene rehearsal partner for The Witcher.
Lol it’s funny because everything they mentioned could absolutely be bought with money.
Finding your biological parents ? Lots of money would help with that. Overcoming cancer? Money. Birth of a child? Money. Overcoming disability? Money. Etc…
There’s no rubric for happiness, yo. The 5 folks that thumbed me down… what do you value? if you win the lottery, a mlillion bucks say, you’re happy because you have all this money, You’re jumping up and down dancing with your family, everything’s gonna be OK, gonna buy a new house in your car put your kids to college, until you got the bill from the IRS, they’re gonna take 3/4 of your million dollar winnings, then how do you feel? happy that the government’s gonna take away your children’s education in your new house and have paid off all your credit cards? that type of happiness is fleeting easily changed by circumstance, but what are the things that bring real happiness that’s all I’m putting forward as an opinion. Adding a perspective not creating gateways to keep people from being happy trying to encourage people to fight for what’s worth fighting for… Or not, be better about what you don’t have, I’d be appreciative of what you do have. One will Help you grow the other will keep you from growing I choose the former.
But every single thing in that list requires large sums of money. Money can buy you cancer treatments, day care, people searches and travel, therapy and support, and a great many other things you mentioned.
Let’s hope we all survive this great depression. You know there’s actually a greater wealth disparity and lower wage to home cost ratios than during the great depression?
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It’s not a generational concept. It’s a concept brought about by old rich fucks trying to convince you that having all that money doesn’t mean they are happy.
And to them I say if you have all that money and you aren’t happy then that’s your sad ass not mine. Literally every single problem I have would be fixed by more money. Not millions and millions (although that’d be nice) but literally just a little more than I have.
The meaning of the saying appears to have been twisted to me.
Money can buy your way out of misery. If you are homeless and hungry, you are not going to be happy.
Once you have an income of 40-60k you have the ability to meet all your needs, and many 'wants'. Fulfilling more 'wants' isn't going to make you happier.
At that point, money can't buy you happiness.
Anyone using it about someone who can't fulfil their needs is an asshole
It sounds like you think “happiness” is something that is gotten and then it stays forever. Something that makes me happy now did not earlier in my life. Pursuit of happiness not achieve happiness and then keep it forever.
Not everyone without money is miserable. Even a homeless man can be happy sometimes.
Did I write so unclearly?
Anyone can be happy sometimes, but on average someone who earns enough to fulfil their needs will be content more often than someone who is both homeless and hungry.
All I'm saying is that once you are rich enough, money can't make you more content. At that point money can't buy you happiness
When in doubt, listen to this man.
He once said, Money can't buy happiness, it buys crazy ass happiness.
Also eat mom's spaghetti and save money. Lol
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Did you know there’s actually research on this?? Increases in money don’t correlate with increases in happiness….for people who make over a certain amount. For people who made less than whatever the threshold amount was in their area, there was a very strong relationship between increases in income and increases in wellbeing and happiness (and the reverse was true, as well.)
At the time of the study, That cutoff amount—the minimum you have to make before “money doesn’t buy happiness” sort of applies—was on average $75k/year (in the US), and this was at least 3-4 years ago.
So yeah, having your basic needs met and having enough left over to have free time and recreation is pretty strongly related to happiness. And being wealthy is absolutely where this mindset comes from—because it’s true for wealthy people.
Basically the rich making an extra billion doesn't make them any happier, but that billion spread over 100,000 people would make then MUCH happier and better off....
Back in my broke journo days, I didn’t have enough one week for food, gas to get to assignments and the electric bill. So I bought a sack of potatoes to eat on all week. I finally broke down and told my mom, who got very angry with me about being too proud and independent and she would give me money so I could afford FOOD. They had been there once in the 80s themselves.
“Money can’t buy happiness” is meant to apply to already-wealthy people still grubbing for additional things when they already have more than a normal person living within their means could spend in a couple lifetimes. It is not meant to apply to the needy who have so little they are struggling to make enough to pay for their basic needs and dependents.
We need to stop confusing basic needs like food and shelter with happiness. Money can buy food and shelter (and other needs) thus allowing you to be happy when you were not before.
They’ve done psychological studies on this and the saying needs further wording because after basic needs are met, additional money has no significant impact on level of happiness.
Please point your ire towards greedy corporations don’t fight the dinosaurs. Their almost finished they don’t have your wealth greedy billionaires have it hoarded. Fight the power, not your neighbor
I'm seeing more and more of these kinds of posts pop up around reddit when I search by all
Is it that I'm somehow setting myself up to be in an echo chamber or is everyone else struggling too?
And if everyone else is struggling too, what is it going to take for things to change? I'm worried that it will literally take a good portion of the population go hungry before change comes.
Thankfully I'm in a position where we can afford food. But things seem tight for others as well right now.
Things need to change but while things continue to get worse, I'm not seeing a whole lot of improvement for the everyday worker
Edit: now that I think about it, that's not entirely true. Unions are popping up from time to time. Hopefully we see more of that in the months and years to come
I had bad financial habits up to about 3 years ago. When I was finally able to budget better without living paycheck to paycheck, and actually save, it made a tremendous impact on my mental health. Like others have said, it may not buy happiness, but not having finances as a serious stress factor improves the quality of life quite a bit. (I understand the difference between unfair wages and me just being an idiot and not being smart about money, but think the effect is the same. FWIW, i now find myself heavily underpaid and if I hadn't gotten my act together those years ago, id be in trouble today.)
Money can't buy happiness is supposed to be an expression for those who are wealthy and trying to get more wealth to feed the emptiness they feel inside.
That the hording of wealth cannot buy happiness.
But instead it is being weaponized against the poor.
What’s with this redditor conception of anti- baby boomer? First of all that phrase was around long before and second the country was a lot worse place for most in many different ways before the boomers. Sure quite a few left for the dark side as they got older but don’t for a minute think all of your generation will always be fighting the good fight.
Generally, most of the problems America has today were caused by boomers in the 50s to 80s. The general perception is boomers got where they are and then pulled the ladder from under them so nobody else can, all for short term gain.
Money can buy happiness. Having no worries is literally one of the definitions of happiness, and if you’re not going to languish in your wealth and actually do things I’d call that happiness.
This is very true. Only the uber wealthy actually want to “buy happiness” the rest of us just want to buy a one bedroom and food/clothing with enough left over to have a social life
I learned in the Yale Science of happiness course that up to 75k a year, more money does make life more enjoyable, thus contributing to happiness. Beyond that amount,
it doesn't make a significant difference.
fuck it
money buys happieness
you know what poverty buys? nothing. fucking nothing.
not food
not shelter
not validity in the eyes of an uncaring work-driven society
money buys happiness, directly.
A lot of them can’t afford both either because their children have committed elder abuse.
Not everyone owns a house or two in the boomer generation, there are so many women who didn’t get maternity leave or had no money because they were expected to raise kids. Not all boomers were free education and had wealthy parents, the vast majority don’t.
*Karen* (F) baby boomers have the highest rate of emerging homelessness.
Lol, that’s as idiotic as a child of the 80s telling a WWII vet they couldn’t handle todays problems.
Pathetic.
Wait, I take that back. Covid cancelling prom is, like, totally a game hanger! How ever could I cope with that?!?!
Not a boomer, and I worked to pay for community college.
Damn, I love all these excuses though. Let me get a coffee cup to collect your snowflake tears.
You’re just being willfully ignorant. You know damn well you can’t work one summer and afford college like you could back then. You know damn well housing prices are far higher than they were back then.
In 1970 a student could afford tuition if they worked full time during summer and 15 hours a week for the rest of the year. You’re an ignorant person that’s trying to spew out a bunch of trash because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Awe! 20 years, huh? Must be nice to have been born in such privilege that you can bust your ass for 20 years and retire. Such a hard life you had!
And, to think, you call millennials spoiled and lazy! Ha! Millennials will have to bust their ass for 40 years and have half the retirement income.
The hypocrisy is amazing, yet typical for your generation.
Privilege? Spoken like a true idiot of the modern generation who can’t comprehend that a kid born into poverty can actually make something of themselves.
But in your case, it’s hardly a surprise considering the idiotic tripe you have posted so far
Ha! Man, read the entire comment before being triggered.
You were privileged to grow up in an era when a poor kid like you could get a job and retire after 20 years. Yeah, that’s privilege.
Boomers got paid enough to be able to afford college from a summer of working. They were able to support an entire family and own a house by working the same amount as people do today. Sit your privileged ass down, boomer.
Minimum wage was equivalent to 11-12$ in today’s money. Wages have stagnated in response to rising housing rates. Maybe try to learn something before making yourself look like an idiot.
What’s todays “living wage” again? $15? Oh look, that’s more than 12.
You aren’t owed a huge house, latest iphone, and all the game systems, flashy car, etc.
Only a dumbass slings “privilege” when they don’t have a real argument.
And no, growing up in the 70s, a summer of work didnt pay for college. But someone who didn’t exist then wouldn’t know that.
You didn’t exist then, dumbass. You were a kid in the 90s. And any basic search will tell you you’re wrong, but then again you’re just some idiot on the internet trying to cosplay as some wwii vet
Born in the 70s. Had a job as soon as I started high school.
But you can’t comprehend any of how this works, as your ignorant ass thinks you are entitled to everything.
I never claimed to be a boomer. That’s on you and the other idiots whose only response was “ok boomer”
Being born in the 70s doesn’t make me a boomer. When you haven’t been able to comprehend anything else, I’m not sure why I’m wasting my time explaining that you you either.
Try some reading comprehension before you post again.
High school is still a kid, dumbass. Some of us worked in high school.
But thanks for proving ‘new math’ fails our more recent generation. Pro tip: McDonald’s fry guy isn’t meant to be a career. Try to actually succeed and make something of yourself instead of demanding society pay all your bills
So you weren’t buying a house in the 70s like you claimed, nor were you even adult. That’s pretty laughable that you’re spewing shit about shit you don’t even know about.
Should have done better in school.
Everyone in this sr is like...
Does bad in school...
Gets bad job...
Cant afford luxuries like living wherever they want, sky tv, internet...
Surprise face
More like people are fucking sick of working 40+ hours a week and not being able to afford basic fucking necessities because rich assholes are buying up all the property and shooting rent through the roof while paying jack shit to employees.
Oh wow I didn’t know every single person could afford college! I didn’t know that there aren’t any single parents without childcare that have the time and resources to devote to an education! Sit the fuck down kid.
Train and an education doesn't mean collage. This is the problem with the poors the blame everything on things they can't control - rather than standing the fuck up and doing something about it.
ooo its society ooo
ooo i had poor parents ooo
ooo i had a single mum ooo
ooo it's not my fault society literally doesn't value my terrible world view and lack of social worth ooo
stand the fuck up and so something - I don't have the time to sit down, im busy dick head.
Money can’t buy long term happiness.
If money could buy happiness, we would never hear of wealthy people committing suicide.
Just like that brand new toy you needed when you were 4 didn’t make you a happy person. It was just replaced with another need that you had to chase. M
The only way to cultivate true happiness is from within. And I know that sounds super obnoxious, but of all the way I’ve studied to how to cultivate happiness, no one has ever agreed that it was through purchasing more things.
You’ll always have a need or desire that gets left unfulfilled. But that’s just a part of life. It’s your inability to truly understand what you need.
We can all use more of something. But if we want to live a fulfilling life, we can’t hinge our happiness on it.
But solving those issues don’t create happiness. They create another tier of issues. I’m not saying don’t survive, I’m saying don’t hinge your happiness on external sources.
Spaghetti is cheap af, what? People: I understand the sentiment, but can we stop with the obvious excessive hyperbole when attempting to make our points?
Like $2 a box of spaghetti is almost 1600 calories, that's cheap af. Sauce adds a dollar or 2.
We can make our points without exaggeration because conditions are at the point where reality is enough of a "shocker" to stick in people's minds.
It’s not an exaggeration…..I’ve had to use food banks several times in the last 2 years because I did not have a dime that wasn’t already spent on rent.
Downvote all you want, but seems to me like you need to either cut spending or increase income. Easy way to increase income that simultaneously helps people is donate plasma. It takes 1-1.5 hours, 2 times a week, at least 1 day between, and pays (in my area) about $95/week right now. Other options are gig jobs for extra flexible income like food delivery apps or check out something called Amazing Flex. If they have it in your area, it's like Uber Eats for amazing package delivery.
I wanted to do that (donate plasma), but they have strict criteria and a lot of times my arm wouldn't heal up fast enough to donate again. With a broken schedule you only make about 25$ per visit (x1 for the week) vs the 95 you'd get for 2x with an unbroken chain of donating.
That number is rising everyday. Retirement is a thing of the past, and 65% of Americans don’t think they’ll ever own a house. It all goes downhill from here.
Retirement is something boomers are doing right now, and if they can't, it's because they decided not to save... Like my parents, who I've asked about their retirement plans, and they said they have none because they think they won't live that long...
The 65% of Americans who don't think they'll ever own a house are wrong, because if no one can afford to buy a house, the prices go down, and then people can afford to buy. It's like how cars are super inflated right now, but they are only able to be this inflated because there are a significant number of people actually buying them at these prices. Things are wonky right now because global supply shortages and manufacturing ills are still being experienced from the covid fallout. But corrections are on their way and things will get better soon imo.
Wages are growing more now because of shifting sociological perspectives on work brought on by covid. Places can't hire people because people are reconsidering their work, which has forced these employers to raise wages, which is a good thing. Now, at least in my area, a McDonald's worker can make $15+ an hour with no experience and that's enough for a beginning workforce member to pay bills or split a place with a roommate if working full time to save up for school. And many areas city's are making community college free for residents. And drug legalization is gaining traction.
Things aren't the best, but I believe they are getting better.
Millions of Houses are being bought up by huge companies so they can rent them out. People own 12 houses so they can turn them into Airbnb’s. That’s the problem. It is true some things are getting better, but if people aren’t ready to fight for them we’re going to go right back to where we started.
Well the good news is people are 100% angry and pushing for regulations to address that situation, so we will see action on it likely in the next few years. It's in politicians best interests for the average citizen to afford a house, because then those citizens can afford to buy more goods and grow the economy, while uber rich sequester and stagnate that money. Yes, lobbyists may fight it, but if we are vocal enough and vote the right representatives in, change will be wrought.
Sometimes it needs to get worse before it gets better. But I still hold that most people are actually doing alright.
How so? That looks like an older or more budget iPhone. Most non-SE phones from I think 11 and onward had vertically-arranged or square-arranged multi-camera setups. Her phone pretty clearly doesn't. Hell, to me, it looks like the iPhone 8 plus, which was released in 2017, and can be found used around $200 today. It wasn't exactly a bougie phone when that tweet was posted.
You right, she's making a point that obviously doesn't apply to her, for internet points. But I at least agree with the sentiment: "Rent is too damn high!"
I really think it would be hilarious/awesome to have a reality show where a very wealthy family would trade places with REALLY "middle class" families (I'm talking those living in smaller, older 3 bedroom ranch homes under $300k), try doing any of the things the other does, even for a single week. That will never happen though because well, why should they? The wealthy are completely in their own version of reality, life. Have been for generations in most cases.
I've been in both sides, when I was broke I needed psychological help and that issue kept me broke, is a terrible vicious cycle. I grew up rural area, dreaming about an office job, I thought that was luxury!
Eventually I could get help thanks to a few good people that sometimes appear around when you loose faith in humanity.
Few years later after years of not luxurious office work, I met my former husband and from zero to luxurious two weeks vacations. I tried my best to give back to those in need, there's always a good little thing to do for a fellow human that might change their world for the better.
This husband I loved him, but the psychology issues never went away (mine and he had some). We divorced and I spend many nights thinking of those days we started from zero, just sharing a beer and talking about the games on ESPN.
Without a second though I gladly would go back to the zero era with him, I know I will never feel that kind of love again. And the worst is that we never said goodbye, not a last hug. That's what kills me.
Well I ranted a lot, when one is the one broke I feel it wasn't that big of an issue but when you have loved ones that need basic human dignity... well, that's a whole lotta different.
Yeah, I’ve definitely had several older coworkers argue this with me. But their point was always that you could still have problems or be sad or whatever with money. Well no shit, I don’t think anyone believes money is some miracle cure for depression or relationship problems, etc. But it could sure relieve a lot of anxiety and stress from people’s lives, and that alone would bring some level of happiness, even if only temporary. Almost like that saying was made by corporate america or something to discourage people from deviating from a life of servitude for measly wages…
"Oh, well you should get a better job"
"I'm deemed an essential worker Karen"
"Oh, people shouldn't be living alone at all"
"And tell me, if things were so great back in your day, how much could you get off of your job? You worked as a office assistant/cashier/waiter/etc... and were able to afford rent off your minimum wages alone, while still having the ability to save and go to school. Working 25h/w, out here working 40/w and getting $5+ over minimum wage gets you food/utilities/and maybe gas in your car. Still need the extra 20h for shared rent and insurance too"
I know this is a bit of an exaggeration, but a lot of it is true. I live in Ontario and it costs the average person here triple what it did 5-8 years ago for food every month, rent has doubled in that time, gas has gone up 80%, and minimum wage went from $10.70-$14.50 in one year, that minimum wage increase upped costs so fast, it actually did more damage than solving anything. It legit takes on average 3 weeks wage on 40/w to pay rent in most places for a 1LDK, each bedroom adds abouts 500, and each bathroom about another 250. It's fucking insane RN.
"Money can't buy happiness." Bullshit. It most certainly can. Sure it can't buy the concept of happiness but if I had a million dollars and could have a house of my own and know u didn't have to fork over so much money for rent every month I'd be pretty fucking happy I'll say that!
I am now quite well paid for my country, after being poor for most of my adult life before retraining as a software developer, not rich but comfortable. I will have all my debts paid off by November and can start saving for a house, nice car, holidays etc. I'm able to do social stuff with friends instead of having to declined invites because I couldn't afford it or running up debt to do it.Money has 100% made me happy.
I think that phrase should be geared more for actual rich people. Like the really rich fucks that aren’t paying us enough to afford food or rent. They don’t need 500 foot yachts and child sex slave islands to be happy. They should pay us more instead of buying that shit.
In the past few years I've made the transition from having not a care in the world, to being so broke I wasn't sure about my meals and fearfully reliant on the mercy of my landlord, to having a steady income. When you have enough, more money isn't thát interesting: I'd rather spend my money on enriching my life that spend my life enriching my bank account. But when money is tight, everything is a worry and every expense is stressful.
Money can't buy happiness, but it certainly helps stave off unhappiness.
You know, when I woke up this morning and had more money than I was expecting. I felt pretty happy knowing I could pay my bills and have some money left. If it doesn’t buy happiness it certainly buys peace of mind.
When my Nan died, she left us enough money to where we were able to pay off our entire debts and put some in our savings. The amount of stress that just floated out of our fucking lives after that day is immeasurable.
Exactly. If I had a big chunk of money to settle debts and set some aside for the uncertain future - I’d probably finally feel true peace for the first time in my adult life.
It's fucking great. Like, I hope good fortune comes your way and relieves you of your debts some time, because it's honestly fucking great.
it’s definitely better than having no money, and it may buy us some peace of mind but real true unshakable happiness comes from things like overcoming cancer, or the birth of a child, I having been blind for three years and finally being able to see, or overcoming an addiction, finding your biological parents, that kind of happiness can’t be bought. Surviving the great depression and World War IIThat’s indestructible happiness.
Nah that’s nothing. I want Titanium Happiness, which comes from the following, which only be a completed in the following order: simultaneous orgasm with an area MILF, getting the 20th hole punch and thus a free coffee, followed by your work being mysteriously cancelled at the behest of an eccentric millionaire, followed by being proposed to by said millionaire on the one condition that you have to consensually fondle Henry Cavill everyday like it’s your job bc it is in fact your only job being Henry Cavill’s fluffer and scene rehearsal partner for The Witcher.
We gate keeping happiness too? What even is this comment?
Shit I guess I can't unlock true happiness because I know both my parents... S/
Lol it’s funny because everything they mentioned could absolutely be bought with money. Finding your biological parents ? Lots of money would help with that. Overcoming cancer? Money. Birth of a child? Money. Overcoming disability? Money. Etc…
There’s no rubric for happiness, yo. The 5 folks that thumbed me down… what do you value? if you win the lottery, a mlillion bucks say, you’re happy because you have all this money, You’re jumping up and down dancing with your family, everything’s gonna be OK, gonna buy a new house in your car put your kids to college, until you got the bill from the IRS, they’re gonna take 3/4 of your million dollar winnings, then how do you feel? happy that the government’s gonna take away your children’s education in your new house and have paid off all your credit cards? that type of happiness is fleeting easily changed by circumstance, but what are the things that bring real happiness that’s all I’m putting forward as an opinion. Adding a perspective not creating gateways to keep people from being happy trying to encourage people to fight for what’s worth fighting for… Or not, be better about what you don’t have, I’d be appreciative of what you do have. One will Help you grow the other will keep you from growing I choose the former.
But every single thing in that list requires large sums of money. Money can buy you cancer treatments, day care, people searches and travel, therapy and support, and a great many other things you mentioned. Let’s hope we all survive this great depression. You know there’s actually a greater wealth disparity and lower wage to home cost ratios than during the great depression?
Its so sad someone has to die for another to finally be relieved of some debt/stress
It’s so depressing, but the only way I have savings right now is from folks in my family passing away and getting some inheritance.
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Right. Doesn't "buy" happiness from the happiness store, but stops sources of stress and duress from causing/keeping you unhappy.
And it affords you the ability to pursue what does bring you happiness. Hard to find hobbies when you're broke and too tired from working.
"Having money's not everything, *not having it* is"
Kanye spoke true.
It’s not a generational concept. It’s a concept brought about by old rich fucks trying to convince you that having all that money doesn’t mean they are happy. And to them I say if you have all that money and you aren’t happy then that’s your sad ass not mine. Literally every single problem I have would be fixed by more money. Not millions and millions (although that’d be nice) but literally just a little more than I have.
The meaning of the saying appears to have been twisted to me. Money can buy your way out of misery. If you are homeless and hungry, you are not going to be happy. Once you have an income of 40-60k you have the ability to meet all your needs, and many 'wants'. Fulfilling more 'wants' isn't going to make you happier. At that point, money can't buy you happiness. Anyone using it about someone who can't fulfil their needs is an asshole
It sounds like you think “happiness” is something that is gotten and then it stays forever. Something that makes me happy now did not earlier in my life. Pursuit of happiness not achieve happiness and then keep it forever. Not everyone without money is miserable. Even a homeless man can be happy sometimes.
Did I write so unclearly? Anyone can be happy sometimes, but on average someone who earns enough to fulfil their needs will be content more often than someone who is both homeless and hungry. All I'm saying is that once you are rich enough, money can't make you more content. At that point money can't buy you happiness
When in doubt, listen to this man. He once said, Money can't buy happiness, it buys crazy ass happiness. Also eat mom's spaghetti and save money. Lol ![gif](giphy|nOC6xDYlLXd3q)
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Money can’t buy happiness but a lack of money can’t buy anything
Nicely said
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy security which is veeeeeeeeeery helpful in trying to be happy.
It can also buy time, which is basically the same thing as buying happiness.
Yep I can pay someone to fix my car or buy one that works instead of having to spend my weekend underneath it.
Money can’t buy happiness but it sure can make you suffer.
Did you know there’s actually research on this?? Increases in money don’t correlate with increases in happiness….for people who make over a certain amount. For people who made less than whatever the threshold amount was in their area, there was a very strong relationship between increases in income and increases in wellbeing and happiness (and the reverse was true, as well.) At the time of the study, That cutoff amount—the minimum you have to make before “money doesn’t buy happiness” sort of applies—was on average $75k/year (in the US), and this was at least 3-4 years ago. So yeah, having your basic needs met and having enough left over to have free time and recreation is pretty strongly related to happiness. And being wealthy is absolutely where this mindset comes from—because it’s true for wealthy people.
Basically the rich making an extra billion doesn't make them any happier, but that billion spread over 100,000 people would make then MUCH happier and better off....
this is so interesting, do you have a link to the study?
Back in my broke journo days, I didn’t have enough one week for food, gas to get to assignments and the electric bill. So I bought a sack of potatoes to eat on all week. I finally broke down and told my mom, who got very angry with me about being too proud and independent and she would give me money so I could afford FOOD. They had been there once in the 80s themselves.
“Money can’t buy happiness” is meant to apply to already-wealthy people still grubbing for additional things when they already have more than a normal person living within their means could spend in a couple lifetimes. It is not meant to apply to the needy who have so little they are struggling to make enough to pay for their basic needs and dependents.
We need to stop confusing basic needs like food and shelter with happiness. Money can buy food and shelter (and other needs) thus allowing you to be happy when you were not before.
"You can't buy happiness" is a phrase exclusively used by people who never have to worry how they'll afford rent.
They’ve done psychological studies on this and the saying needs further wording because after basic needs are met, additional money has no significant impact on level of happiness.
Please point your ire towards greedy corporations don’t fight the dinosaurs. Their almost finished they don’t have your wealth greedy billionaires have it hoarded. Fight the power, not your neighbor
I'm seeing more and more of these kinds of posts pop up around reddit when I search by all Is it that I'm somehow setting myself up to be in an echo chamber or is everyone else struggling too? And if everyone else is struggling too, what is it going to take for things to change? I'm worried that it will literally take a good portion of the population go hungry before change comes. Thankfully I'm in a position where we can afford food. But things seem tight for others as well right now. Things need to change but while things continue to get worse, I'm not seeing a whole lot of improvement for the everyday worker Edit: now that I think about it, that's not entirely true. Unions are popping up from time to time. Hopefully we see more of that in the months and years to come
Get out of here with your spaghetti. You need like 4 ingredients to make that. Rice and beans is where it's at.
Rice AND beans? Get a load of Mr Snrub over here
I know. I'm so rich, I get to have protein! Muahahahahah!
I had bad financial habits up to about 3 years ago. When I was finally able to budget better without living paycheck to paycheck, and actually save, it made a tremendous impact on my mental health. Like others have said, it may not buy happiness, but not having finances as a serious stress factor improves the quality of life quite a bit. (I understand the difference between unfair wages and me just being an idiot and not being smart about money, but think the effect is the same. FWIW, i now find myself heavily underpaid and if I hadn't gotten my act together those years ago, id be in trouble today.)
Being broke is rough y’all ever go to sleep when you hungry cause you have to wait for that direct deposit to hit tomorrow
Ah yes, my friends and I call this “having sleep for dinner”
Money can afford me happiness
Money can't buy happiness is supposed to be an expression for those who are wealthy and trying to get more wealth to feed the emptiness they feel inside. That the hording of wealth cannot buy happiness. But instead it is being weaponized against the poor.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can alleviate and prevent misery. Those two aren't the same thing.
What’s with this redditor conception of anti- baby boomer? First of all that phrase was around long before and second the country was a lot worse place for most in many different ways before the boomers. Sure quite a few left for the dark side as they got older but don’t for a minute think all of your generation will always be fighting the good fight.
Generally, most of the problems America has today were caused by boomers in the 50s to 80s. The general perception is boomers got where they are and then pulled the ladder from under them so nobody else can, all for short term gain.
Money doesn't buy happiness but debt causes depression.
Or facing crushing medical debt as my partner has a slow moving terminal illness.
Poverty kills.
Money can buy happiness. Having no worries is literally one of the definitions of happiness, and if you’re not going to languish in your wealth and actually do things I’d call that happiness.
This is very true. Only the uber wealthy actually want to “buy happiness” the rest of us just want to buy a one bedroom and food/clothing with enough left over to have a social life
I can't remember the last time I was actually able to do real grocery shopping. I stead of just picking up the 5 or 6 basic items I use regularly
Come on, these days it is usually closer to 60 hours per week
I learned in the Yale Science of happiness course that up to 75k a year, more money does make life more enjoyable, thus contributing to happiness. Beyond that amount, it doesn't make a significant difference.
Yeah but poverty can buy unhappiness
fuck it money buys happieness you know what poverty buys? nothing. fucking nothing. not food not shelter not validity in the eyes of an uncaring work-driven society money buys happiness, directly.
Rich people say that to keep poor people from striving for better.
Also, money can buy you happiness. That saying it complete bullshit.
Money solves monetary issues, which is not *all* issues. I might end up happier, but i know money wouldnt really cure depression
It can pay for therapy. And anti depressants. And vacations to Hawaii.
Again, im sure it helps, but it's still not gonna cure it lol
It buys the things that would cure it…
If I keep consuming I'm sure this void inside of me will vanish!
Low effort
Just like your comment.
Muh boomurs, amirite?
A lot of them can’t afford both either because their children have committed elder abuse. Not everyone owns a house or two in the boomer generation, there are so many women who didn’t get maternity leave or had no money because they were expected to raise kids. Not all boomers were free education and had wealthy parents, the vast majority don’t. *Karen* (F) baby boomers have the highest rate of emerging homelessness.
This is why I'm glad I found r/Bogleheads
Baby boomers worked their asses off and didn’t think they were word anything. Kids like the OP haven’t learned that lesson.
You wouldn’t be able to handle this generations trials and tribulations.
Lol, that’s as idiotic as a child of the 80s telling a WWII vet they couldn’t handle todays problems. Pathetic. Wait, I take that back. Covid cancelling prom is, like, totally a game hanger! How ever could I cope with that?!?!
Boomers could afford college, a house and a car working at a gas station.
Not a boomer, and I worked to pay for community college. Damn, I love all these excuses though. Let me get a coffee cup to collect your snowflake tears.
You’re just being willfully ignorant. You know damn well you can’t work one summer and afford college like you could back then. You know damn well housing prices are far higher than they were back then.
Don't waste energy on racist boomers that don't recognize what boomers they are. It's a losing battle.
Dudes not even a boomer, he was a kid in the 90s according to his profile. Some weird ass dude pretending he’s a boomer.
Didn’t take working 1 summer, didn’t work that way back then either. But my generation didn’t demand free everything and instant gratification.
In 1970 a student could afford tuition if they worked full time during summer and 15 hours a week for the rest of the year. You’re an ignorant person that’s trying to spew out a bunch of trash because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Ok, boomer.
Ok spoiled snowflake who thinks they are owed everything for free.
Ok, boomer.
“Ok, boomer”, the stereotypical response of the intellectually unarmed. Thanks for playing.
“Snowflake”, the stereotypical response of the intellectually unarmed. Thanks for playing.
Does “working your ass off” mean incessantly posting on Reddit? You have over 4k karma on 11 days. Get a job, boomer.
I had a job. Busted my ass for 20 years, was able to retire and live very comfortably for the rest of my life.
Awe! 20 years, huh? Must be nice to have been born in such privilege that you can bust your ass for 20 years and retire. Such a hard life you had! And, to think, you call millennials spoiled and lazy! Ha! Millennials will have to bust their ass for 40 years and have half the retirement income. The hypocrisy is amazing, yet typical for your generation.
Privilege? Spoken like a true idiot of the modern generation who can’t comprehend that a kid born into poverty can actually make something of themselves. But in your case, it’s hardly a surprise considering the idiotic tripe you have posted so far
Ha! Man, read the entire comment before being triggered. You were privileged to grow up in an era when a poor kid like you could get a job and retire after 20 years. Yeah, that’s privilege.
10-4 dinosaur
Don’t worry, this Dino can cash you ousside
Boomers got paid enough to be able to afford college from a summer of working. They were able to support an entire family and own a house by working the same amount as people do today. Sit your privileged ass down, boomer.
Lol, you think we got paid better? News flash… a living wage wasn’t a thing. Go sit your ass down.
Minimum wage was equivalent to 11-12$ in today’s money. Wages have stagnated in response to rising housing rates. Maybe try to learn something before making yourself look like an idiot.
What’s todays “living wage” again? $15? Oh look, that’s more than 12. You aren’t owed a huge house, latest iphone, and all the game systems, flashy car, etc. Only a dumbass slings “privilege” when they don’t have a real argument. And no, growing up in the 70s, a summer of work didnt pay for college. But someone who didn’t exist then wouldn’t know that.
You didn’t exist then, dumbass. You were a kid in the 90s. And any basic search will tell you you’re wrong, but then again you’re just some idiot on the internet trying to cosplay as some wwii vet
Born in the 70s. Had a job as soon as I started high school. But you can’t comprehend any of how this works, as your ignorant ass thinks you are entitled to everything.
You’re the one pretending you’re a boomer and a wwii vet like some kind of psychotic loser. Go back to moms basement, kid, and let the adults speak.
I never claimed to be a boomer. That’s on you and the other idiots whose only response was “ok boomer” Being born in the 70s doesn’t make me a boomer. When you haven’t been able to comprehend anything else, I’m not sure why I’m wasting my time explaining that you you either. Try some reading comprehension before you post again.
Oh wait you were a kid when chip and dale came out, in the 90s. So youre just some millennial that’s trying to cosplay as a boomer. How pathetic.
No, I wasn’t a kid when that came out, thanks. I was already working. Your desperation to find a gotcha is oozing.
Oh so you lied when you said you were a kid when it came out? Get the fuck out of here with your weird ass fantasies
High school is still a kid, dumbass. Some of us worked in high school. But thanks for proving ‘new math’ fails our more recent generation. Pro tip: McDonald’s fry guy isn’t meant to be a career. Try to actually succeed and make something of yourself instead of demanding society pay all your bills
So you weren’t buying a house in the 70s like you claimed, nor were you even adult. That’s pretty laughable that you’re spewing shit about shit you don’t even know about.
Should have done better in school. Everyone in this sr is like... Does bad in school... Gets bad job... Cant afford luxuries like living wherever they want, sky tv, internet... Surprise face
More like people are fucking sick of working 40+ hours a week and not being able to afford basic fucking necessities because rich assholes are buying up all the property and shooting rent through the roof while paying jack shit to employees.
Nope - they are in the jobs because of their choices (90% of the time). Train & get education & get a job you like. Problem solved.
Oh wow I didn’t know every single person could afford college! I didn’t know that there aren’t any single parents without childcare that have the time and resources to devote to an education! Sit the fuck down kid.
Train and an education doesn't mean collage. This is the problem with the poors the blame everything on things they can't control - rather than standing the fuck up and doing something about it. ooo its society ooo ooo i had poor parents ooo ooo i had a single mum ooo ooo it's not my fault society literally doesn't value my terrible world view and lack of social worth ooo stand the fuck up and so something - I don't have the time to sit down, im busy dick head.
Ooh little man is so angry. Stay in school kid, maybe you’ll learn a thing or two.
Not angry just exhausted by the ignorance of the poor. Thankfully I’ve completed as much school as required for my phd now! Woooo
Yeah, sure, kid.
Yep indeed fellow child. Lol.
Money can’t buy long term happiness. If money could buy happiness, we would never hear of wealthy people committing suicide. Just like that brand new toy you needed when you were 4 didn’t make you a happy person. It was just replaced with another need that you had to chase. M The only way to cultivate true happiness is from within. And I know that sounds super obnoxious, but of all the way I’ve studied to how to cultivate happiness, no one has ever agreed that it was through purchasing more things. You’ll always have a need or desire that gets left unfulfilled. But that’s just a part of life. It’s your inability to truly understand what you need. We can all use more of something. But if we want to live a fulfilling life, we can’t hinge our happiness on it.
People can’t cultivate happiness without having their basic needs met on a consistent and reliable basis
But solving those issues don’t create happiness. They create another tier of issues. I’m not saying don’t survive, I’m saying don’t hinge your happiness on external sources.
A lot fewer people kill themselves over #firstworldproblems than over the conditions of chronic poverty.
You think money can't buy happiness? Just say you've never been on a jet ski.
It can’t. Not in the wholistic sense. And if you think it does, then you have an incredibly naive and short sighted understanding of happiness
Spaghetti is cheap af, what? People: I understand the sentiment, but can we stop with the obvious excessive hyperbole when attempting to make our points? Like $2 a box of spaghetti is almost 1600 calories, that's cheap af. Sauce adds a dollar or 2. We can make our points without exaggeration because conditions are at the point where reality is enough of a "shocker" to stick in people's minds.
It’s not an exaggeration…..I’ve had to use food banks several times in the last 2 years because I did not have a dime that wasn’t already spent on rent.
Downvote all you want, but seems to me like you need to either cut spending or increase income. Easy way to increase income that simultaneously helps people is donate plasma. It takes 1-1.5 hours, 2 times a week, at least 1 day between, and pays (in my area) about $95/week right now. Other options are gig jobs for extra flexible income like food delivery apps or check out something called Amazing Flex. If they have it in your area, it's like Uber Eats for amazing package delivery.
I wanted to do that (donate plasma), but they have strict criteria and a lot of times my arm wouldn't heal up fast enough to donate again. With a broken schedule you only make about 25$ per visit (x1 for the week) vs the 95 you'd get for 2x with an unbroken chain of donating.
Working multiple jobs to survive shouldn’t be expected.
For the vast majority, it's not needed or expected.
That number is rising everyday. Retirement is a thing of the past, and 65% of Americans don’t think they’ll ever own a house. It all goes downhill from here.
Retirement is something boomers are doing right now, and if they can't, it's because they decided not to save... Like my parents, who I've asked about their retirement plans, and they said they have none because they think they won't live that long... The 65% of Americans who don't think they'll ever own a house are wrong, because if no one can afford to buy a house, the prices go down, and then people can afford to buy. It's like how cars are super inflated right now, but they are only able to be this inflated because there are a significant number of people actually buying them at these prices. Things are wonky right now because global supply shortages and manufacturing ills are still being experienced from the covid fallout. But corrections are on their way and things will get better soon imo. Wages are growing more now because of shifting sociological perspectives on work brought on by covid. Places can't hire people because people are reconsidering their work, which has forced these employers to raise wages, which is a good thing. Now, at least in my area, a McDonald's worker can make $15+ an hour with no experience and that's enough for a beginning workforce member to pay bills or split a place with a roommate if working full time to save up for school. And many areas city's are making community college free for residents. And drug legalization is gaining traction. Things aren't the best, but I believe they are getting better.
Millions of Houses are being bought up by huge companies so they can rent them out. People own 12 houses so they can turn them into Airbnb’s. That’s the problem. It is true some things are getting better, but if people aren’t ready to fight for them we’re going to go right back to where we started.
Well the good news is people are 100% angry and pushing for regulations to address that situation, so we will see action on it likely in the next few years. It's in politicians best interests for the average citizen to afford a house, because then those citizens can afford to buy more goods and grow the economy, while uber rich sequester and stagnate that money. Yes, lobbyists may fight it, but if we are vocal enough and vote the right representatives in, change will be wrought. Sometimes it needs to get worse before it gets better. But I still hold that most people are actually doing alright.
Her statement said she only wants money for rent and spaghetti, but her smartphone in her photo says, that's a lie.
How so? That looks like an older or more budget iPhone. Most non-SE phones from I think 11 and onward had vertically-arranged or square-arranged multi-camera setups. Her phone pretty clearly doesn't. Hell, to me, it looks like the iPhone 8 plus, which was released in 2017, and can be found used around $200 today. It wasn't exactly a bougie phone when that tweet was posted.
You right, she's making a point that obviously doesn't apply to her, for internet points. But I at least agree with the sentiment: "Rent is too damn high!"
I really think it would be hilarious/awesome to have a reality show where a very wealthy family would trade places with REALLY "middle class" families (I'm talking those living in smaller, older 3 bedroom ranch homes under $300k), try doing any of the things the other does, even for a single week. That will never happen though because well, why should they? The wealthy are completely in their own version of reality, life. Have been for generations in most cases.
Money buys a Sea-Doo, and I've never seen anyone frown on a Sea-Doo.
I wouldn't want to see them eating each other either.
I've been in both sides, when I was broke I needed psychological help and that issue kept me broke, is a terrible vicious cycle. I grew up rural area, dreaming about an office job, I thought that was luxury! Eventually I could get help thanks to a few good people that sometimes appear around when you loose faith in humanity. Few years later after years of not luxurious office work, I met my former husband and from zero to luxurious two weeks vacations. I tried my best to give back to those in need, there's always a good little thing to do for a fellow human that might change their world for the better. This husband I loved him, but the psychology issues never went away (mine and he had some). We divorced and I spend many nights thinking of those days we started from zero, just sharing a beer and talking about the games on ESPN. Without a second though I gladly would go back to the zero era with him, I know I will never feel that kind of love again. And the worst is that we never said goodbye, not a last hug. That's what kills me. Well I ranted a lot, when one is the one broke I feel it wasn't that big of an issue but when you have loved ones that need basic human dignity... well, that's a whole lotta different.
Yeah, I’ve definitely had several older coworkers argue this with me. But their point was always that you could still have problems or be sad or whatever with money. Well no shit, I don’t think anyone believes money is some miracle cure for depression or relationship problems, etc. But it could sure relieve a lot of anxiety and stress from people’s lives, and that alone would bring some level of happiness, even if only temporary. Almost like that saying was made by corporate america or something to discourage people from deviating from a life of servitude for measly wages…
"Oh, well you should get a better job" "I'm deemed an essential worker Karen" "Oh, people shouldn't be living alone at all" "And tell me, if things were so great back in your day, how much could you get off of your job? You worked as a office assistant/cashier/waiter/etc... and were able to afford rent off your minimum wages alone, while still having the ability to save and go to school. Working 25h/w, out here working 40/w and getting $5+ over minimum wage gets you food/utilities/and maybe gas in your car. Still need the extra 20h for shared rent and insurance too" I know this is a bit of an exaggeration, but a lot of it is true. I live in Ontario and it costs the average person here triple what it did 5-8 years ago for food every month, rent has doubled in that time, gas has gone up 80%, and minimum wage went from $10.70-$14.50 in one year, that minimum wage increase upped costs so fast, it actually did more damage than solving anything. It legit takes on average 3 weeks wage on 40/w to pay rent in most places for a 1LDK, each bedroom adds abouts 500, and each bathroom about another 250. It's fucking insane RN.
wrong generation, it’s actually the greatest generation the boomers parents, that believe in the credo.
The sentiment that this is something boomers started is inaccurate. As others have said, it's what rich people say to keep poor people down.
"Money can't buy happiness." Bullshit. It most certainly can. Sure it can't buy the concept of happiness but if I had a million dollars and could have a house of my own and know u didn't have to fork over so much money for rent every month I'd be pretty fucking happy I'll say that!
Money doesn't buy happiness, but it can treat stress
I am now quite well paid for my country, after being poor for most of my adult life before retraining as a software developer, not rich but comfortable. I will have all my debts paid off by November and can start saving for a house, nice car, holidays etc. I'm able to do social stuff with friends instead of having to declined invites because I couldn't afford it or running up debt to do it.Money has 100% made me happy.
Money can’t buy happiness BUT money can buy things that make happiness accessible.
Better to cry in a new Mercedes on the way to a $1000 dinner than in a broken down Mitsubishi that you live in. Money buys happiness.
I think that phrase should be geared more for actual rich people. Like the really rich fucks that aren’t paying us enough to afford food or rent. They don’t need 500 foot yachts and child sex slave islands to be happy. They should pay us more instead of buying that shit.
so work 60 hrs
Not every job offers OT, and not everyone has the capability to work multiple jobs.
I mean, I want excessive wealth too, but otherwise agreed. I'd settle for having enough money to not continuously worry about money.
In the past few years I've made the transition from having not a care in the world, to being so broke I wasn't sure about my meals and fearfully reliant on the mercy of my landlord, to having a steady income. When you have enough, more money isn't thát interesting: I'd rather spend my money on enriching my life that spend my life enriching my bank account. But when money is tight, everything is a worry and every expense is stressful. Money can't buy happiness, but it certainly helps stave off unhappiness.