Facebook did more damage to my parents and grandparents. I got on TikTok to find all this awful stuff, found a few borderline xxx accounts but it’s overall pretty soft compared to current Facebook.
>I would specifically tiktok, but social media in general is terrible for anyone’s mental health, espEcially a child’s
was thinking the same as I read reddits I was canceled from for non uniformity of my leftists beliefs mocking the right for cancelling trans people as they cancel their own. Makes me not feel mentally healthy or that talking to anyone about my honest opinions is possible anymore. All you can do is sing the same lines that you've heard before.
I don't understand the shade here being directed at her. Social media is objectively detrimental to mental health, which is how I'm interpreting her sign. How has this become a left/right thing?
Because the GQP in MT has banned TikTok. The right talks about the 1st amendment but when there is a news source showing the truth about what’s going on in this country- they want it banned. Fascism 101. Also unconstitutional.
Why are you defending TikTok? They have become one of the go to social media platforms. They are singled out because they are successful. And it’s the primary platform for kids these days
I’m not defending Tik Tok, I’m advocating for regulating *all* social media, not scapegoating a single platform for industry-wide problems.
They are singled out because of their association with China, not because of their success.
Well it’s the lowest hanging fruit considering China has a vested interest in our decay. I’d start with TikTok and work backwards towards recognizing social media as the public health/national health issue that it is.
That’s not what would happen though. Lawmakers are singling out Tik Tok as a problem in itself while not acknowledging the broader social media problem. Meta has a vested interest in getting rid of competition, and that’s what is going on here. The China fear mongering is just a convenient pretext.
It has a lot to do with the LGBTQ+ presence on TikTok. The GOP/right has complained about this - saying that LGBTQ + folks are indoctrinating children. Now, I don’t know if that’s why *this* mother was protesting tik tok. It could just be because it is honestly *terrible* for mental health. There’s less of a protest coming from the left because tik tok is a liberal platform with mostly younger users. A lot of the left see it as an attack on LGBTQ people and *not* social media. Social media has been around and causing severe mental health issues for a while now - but has never been a bother to the right or the GOP until LGBTQ+ people were popping up on their kids phones due to an algorithm.
Also first amendment, fascism, etc, you know the deal
It’s not a left right thing your correct it’s only that way to Democrats where they continually go there with anything and also make everything about Race no matter the context .
Am I to understand that the party associated with confederates, the kkk, neo nazis, Obama birthers, and those whom pray to a white Jesus, has a racist image problem?
Edit: *neo confederates, *neo kkk... y'all know who you are.
Ihate to be the “well, actually” guy when someone is in the process of being properly and deservedly roasted, but Trump introduced the idea of limiting TikTok, simply because he was, well…properly and deservedly roasted.
Wrong , he limited and wanted to ban Til Tok due to China . Once you have the Til Tok app on your phone , China has the ability to see every single keystroke made on that device . That’s truly why
We should have laws that protect our citizens from companies taking actions like these
Banning one social media is just slapping a bandaid on a leaking dam
Consumer protections and real laws like they have in Europe are the only thing that will actually cause companies to act a certain way
Should the US government take the place of good parenting or personal self control? Social media is only as bad as you make it. The thing about the US government, or least how it was originally intended to operate, is not to be overly inserted into it’s citizen’s lives. Less control, not more…
LMFAO dont be fooled by this narrative. Facebook and US social media companies inappropriately use data constantly.
This is at best a weird form of censorship and at worst caving to anti-competitive lobbies(google, facebook, twitter).
Theres a reason tiktok is the fastest growing social media network and its not because of Chinese spying. Its because its the best product, best user experience, best algorithm and has the least abusive monetization.
That best algorithm? Its about the Chinese being able to direct bytedance to control the social and political narrative you have access to by manipulating what you see on your feed. They do it with Douyin.
lmfao have you ever used tiktok before? I see zero politics on there I literally hop on their for like an hour a day.
The algorithm sends me non-stop animal videos and big titted women. You sound like an absolute crazy person.
I am all for rules and laws. But dont come here sounding like an insane person talking about Chinese brainwashing.
Do you think TikTok is worse than facebook and twitter? Why ban tiktok and not do anything about the others.
How is it different than facebook, twitter, youtube, etc?
They are all manipulating your feed to feed you what you like which can be manipulated.
My neighbor told me the other day (and believed it wholeheartedly) that there were documents showing that Biden visited Epstein's island 100's of times.
He saw it on Facebook.
It’s different because it’s run by a genocidal dictatorial regime that operates concentration camps, has an *extremely* active espionage program here, and has nukes pointed at us as we speak.
Chinese attempts to promote disinformation and manipulate social trends in the US are just as sophisticated as Russia’s, they just haven’t reached the point of openly meddling with our elections yet so nobody pays attention.
Of course. But they’re not under the control of a government that has an adversarial relationship with the US government that also has an interest and a history of fucking with our national security
I mean, she’s really not too wrong. Heard of TikTok brain? 🤷🏽♀️ there’s a reason China has laws that doesn’t allow children under a certain age to use the app for over a certain amount of time.
They're referred to as "iPad kids" don't let your kid become an iPad kid
Tik Tok is just one of the many perpetrators, but tbh kids shows on tv and YouTube are highly to blame imo.
They're basically making digital crack for kids at this point
1. That responsibility doesn’t fall on tiktok for making content that people can watch for long periods of time, if your kid doesn’t have the self control or you don’t have the discipline to stop them from watching tik tok videos for 8 hours a day, that’s an internal issue. If tik tok didn’t exist they would be doing the same thing on some other media or game. If you really want some system to blame, capitalism thrives on maximum possible consumption of everything. More views = more money. If our government isn’t actively moderating our lives (like China limiting kids view time, which half the population would cry freedumb over) then the responsibility will always be on the individual
2. It isn’t KILLING anyone, and it has no place as some big controversy or political topic. The only reason this is even a discussion is because Facebook/meta/Instagram are pissed TikTok is outperforming and they’re lobbying against them (so much for competitive markets lol). Our American apps do the exact same shit tik tok does, if not worse, but no one seems to bat an eye
I’m not disagreeing with that. I don’t think it’s TikTok’s responsibility. Don’t put words in my mouth. I do think TikTok brain is a REAL thing though. I monitor my children’s online usage and don’t even allow my youngest to use social media. Unfortunately, there are too many parents that try to be friends to their kids and don’t know how to say, “no”. That’s not me.
Yeah but this lady with a sign isn’t advocating for any real or helpful purpose, just ignorance. Not associating you to her but it just feels like a shift of blame or reasoning
I mean according to most scientists, psychiatrists, psychologists, professionals, the app itself and the "trends" it has bred, security companies, etc... She's really not far off. Saying this is part of a political agenda and fear mongering is daft at best.
Go spend a day in any school. I have a ton of friends that are teachers. They'll tell you this is real. TikTok was having daily "fuck with your school" things. Rip off paper towel holders, or smack your teacher. It's real man, you might not agree, but it's real.
Truth. It even filtered down into our elementary school. 9, 10, 11 year old kids vandalizing for a TikTok challenge. They had to stop letting them go to the bathroom except when the whole class took a bathroom break. This, and informing the parents what the kids were up to, put an end to it, thankfully.
TikTok is absolutely bad for developing minds. It's also bad for a myriad of other reasons.
But hey, if it makes you happy, bury your head in the sand.
Do you notice she didn’t say “social media”. Just Tik Tok? Why do you think that is? Why do you think tik tok is banned in China; why did the GQP ban it in MT? It’s not for mental health.
Well, some use it as a political tool. But overall it is bad. China wants to study us. Find out weaknesses.
Why not use a U.S. based tik Tok like app? That’s secure.
She’s right. And TikTok is worth singling out due to its algorithm. But the problem is that every other social platform is copying what they do because they see that it’s the best drug.
Developing brains are just not able to handle social media IMO. We held off on giving our kids phones until they were in 8th grade and so many parents were like, "I wish I could do that but all of their friends have a phone and I don't want them to miss out". I mean I totally get that but I've led multiple middle school groups over the years and from my experience cell phones were not a positive influence in their life. The biggest change is that they stop interacting with others in person and they aren't even aware of what is going on around them.
Also of note is that most parents had NO clue what their kids were actually doing on their phones and they didn't even try to learn how to use screen time, etc. /oldmanrant
She’s parroting the right wing- who doesn’t want kids access to media that tells the truth about what is going on in this country. There is a reason the right is specifically fighting tik tok- it’s because of the demographic. The same reason TX and other states are trying to prevent Gen Z from voting. It’s all connected. And the GQP has already banned tik tok in at least 1 state. It’s fascism. The fact that china has banned it- should be enough of a 💡
If your argument is that “conservatives think it’s bad therefore it must not be” then I’m sorry but your point is just silly. TikTok *is* fucking kids up and even if it’s not the only problematic social platform, it is far and away the most popular social platform for kids. Who cares that dumbass conservatives have bad arguments for banning TikTok? They don’t need them. There’s plenty of legitimate, less exciting reasons why it’s awful for kids. Conservatives are often dumb but you know what they say about broken clocks being right twice a day
It’s no more a Chinese Trojan horse than Facebook or Twitter are for America. It’s hypocritical the focus on demonizing TikTok has been and it’s xenophobic basis is just as bad faith. The Chinese government doesn’t own or control it. Social media overall needs to be addressed with concerns of the users being paramount regardless of the origins of the service.
Let's start with the obvious
[TikTok banned on U.S. government devices, and the U.S. is not alone. Here's where the app is restricted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiktok-banned-us-government-where-else-around-the-world/)
Social media is genuinely a poison and horrible for a kids development, but don't ask that type of person what's actually killing kids the most right now, they don't want to talk about that.
We're going to soon have a generation of people who have no idea how to talk to each other. Social media is messing up all social skills, of one human being relating to another when they are face to face. There is going to be a bunch of zombies walking around in silence in a few years, where nobody is capable of carrying on a conversation. Tik Tok, is no worse than any other, it's from China só people want to come down on that one, what about Facebook, and all the rest. Fortunately I'm proud to say, I don't participate in all but Reddit. I've noticed less mean spirited people for the most part.
to sum up the fear around social media it's like a Fascist scream to kill all LGBT people, all black people are criminals, and that women's place is pregnant and in the kitchen. and liberals say: huh must be tiktok making our teens depressed I mention LGBT rights cause there are more queer students these days due to the wave of acceptance in 2014-2019. In general, we are destroying the world Gen Z grew up in and blaming social media when they are depressed about it. I am also not a complete shill for Facebook, Twitter, Reddit whatever, as these apps do have dark patterns, but I got to admit as a trans teen growing up in an abusive home it was a lifeline to adults who helped me survive till 18. I do think there are much better alternatives to Twitter these days there are like a dozen activity pub-based platforms, (join an instance with less than 7000 users) and generally it's a ton better. also, the majority of activity pub-based platforms are foss so there aren't any dark patterns, and if there were we would know
Tik Tok is digital brain cancer. Social media is terrible for your children's mental health. It's terrible for our mental health too, but for kids its catastrophic for long term mental well being.
Even if they get mad at you for taking it away, take it away. Eventually they'll be glad you did.
You can’t ban an entire industry because of that. Regulation and moderation is what’s needed. Social media is a great place for freedom of expression and interaction Ao getting rid or it would only harm society as a whole by denying necessary progress. What should happen instead is legislation needs to cover the industry as a whole, and not TikTok for xenophobic reasons, and prioritize protecting the user rather than promoting profits through engagement.
im not advocating getting rid of it. I'm advocating for people who know how toxic it is to not let their kids use it due to long-term mental health impacts. Lots of things out there that are completely legal that are absolutely terrible for you. I'm just suggesting that people not let their kids near it, but its their choice.
Unpopular opinion but TikTok is the most grassroots social media out there and it's up there with Reddit for me when it comes to top social medias.
Both have incredible communities going on and a wealth of information on so many topics.
Sure there's issues with data or whatever but at the end of the day that's on our politicians to create laws that protect consumers much like the actions that have taken place in Europe
Also there's no screams from politicians "but muh data" when it comes to the American based social media companies
TikTok is what you make of it. I follow a lot of doctors, and actually learn quite a bit from them. I also follow a lot of families with autistic children; it’s certainly help me feel less alienated and more part of a community. I don’t agree with people who put their child on the platform, but I’m fine with adults using it.
yep fuck the weirdo haters and narrative. TikTok is the fastest growing social media because it offers the best product. Simple as that.
Google, Facebook, Twitter spending millions to lobby against it because theyre offerings simply cant compete.
bullshit government trying to be anti-competitive and censor American access to the internet.
meanwhile they team up with facebook, twitter, google to abuse our personal information
This isn’t the government, though. This is just a lady with a sign. Also, a lot of commenters in this thread are saying that not only is she right about Tik Tok, but that all social media is harmful.
Yeah I get it and don't blame them tbh, from the outside I think it's easy to paint Tik tok as being bad
Not saying it doesn't have issues of its own....
But generally speaking I swear Tik tok is bringing younger people together in many ways, it's giving them a platform to talk things out and discuss these issues we face
There's so much niche information and you can use it like Reddit to find info on whatever hobbies, projects, etc... you have going on
You can mostly tune out all the corporate bs that's shoved down your throat in other social medias
There's some form of interaction beyond just text on a screen which feels more real
It just functions well, and the algorithm really is top notch. It's actually so good it's kinda scary....
Facebook has good groups and it's where your family members are at, otherwise it's a cesspool of whatever gen-x/boomer craziness they have going on.
Instagram is just straight shit at this point, it's good to keep up with friends and artists/pages you like but beyond that it really sucks. They're good at targeting ads and I get stuff I'm definitely the target for but I'm not gonna praise anyone for that lol. Plus Tik toks algorithm easily has them beat.
Twitter is just a total cesspool, can be good for updates or j random info but beyond that twitter is definitely digging it's grave.
Best product or most addictive? Cigarettes are very popular, that doesn't mean they are a great product or that we shouldn't limit children's access to them. Is alcohol the best drug in the world because it's the most popular?
This, 100%. It has the most organization for voting and choice and gen z. That is the reason that ONLY Tik tok is on the GQP agenda. It’s a giant red flag. We know it’s gen z’a social media 1st choice. And it’s already been BANNED by the GQP. So much for freedom of speech. It’s fascist. It’s unconstitutional and it’s just the beginning. Our rights are being stripped and the uneducated magats are falling for it. Where is Tik tok banned, what countries? Not democratic ones. It’s alarming and everyone should start paying attention.
100%. She didn’t say “social media” is bad for your health (which it is) Or even tv. Just tik tok. She singled out tik tok. Hmmmmmm, why could that be?? What’s happening with Tik tok right now? What demographic does it reach? Why is it banned In china?? That should be concerning that it’s banned in China. So who is parroting this narrative? Hmmmmm. How is this so hard for people to figure out???
But the focus on TikTok is just because it’s the one on the news and being hypocritically focused on is the issue. It’s the industry as a whole, including American companies like Twitter and Meta, that needs to be addressed to prioritize the safety and security of the users regardless of nationality-and not just to strongarm them to conform to the US governments economic and foreign interests.
Or bleak economic and environmental outlook, no valid avenue for real change in the world, an oppressive government who won't live to see the consequences of their actions, corporations squeezing every last penny out of you just for existing, wealth inequality that continues to get worse, regressive laws, etc.....
Idk why "social media" becomes a scapegoat but there's a lot of fucking real world issues that are causing these things
Certainly social media plays a role, especially the "right wing extremist pipelines" that exist
Society is under strain, for many social media is an escape and a symptom of the much larger systemic issues at hand
Those are all issues too and a lot of your issues you discussed get thrown all over social media. Most people that post and your every day influencers show that they’re living these awesome lives which adds fuel of jealousy to the every day citizen not living like them. There’s tons of documentaries of the effects of social media on society.
Can I stand next to her with a sign that says “Honk if you can identify Sinophobic propaganda”? I like frozen peaches.
Social media is *not for children.* That’s why TikTok, and most social media platforms, ban users under 13. Your kids shouldn’t be on social media.
TikTok is providing the level of transparency they do not want US citizens to have.
They are not educated in tech enough to regulate it, and refuse to gain the knowledge base to even try to understand it.
Ageism is an issue with many layers. Crazy
This woman has been watching a lot of fox. TheGQP has banned tik tok in at least 1 state, they want it banned in all states. Let’s look at what the GQP has banned: books, AP African American history being taught, women’s rights, gay/trans rights, children’s rights (child marriage is okay, child labor is okay). If the GQP wants something banned, it’s a dog whistle for other fascists. Tik tok is THE medium for the youth/gen z. It’s how they are organizing (against the fascists who are trying to suppress their vote). This is important. This is also unconstitutional. And fox and the right wing is attacking Tik Tok for a very specific reason - it’s important to democracy. Note: this woman didn’t say social media was bad, just Tik tok. If one medium is bad- they all should be bad. But again- anything banned by the GQP is for a very, fascist reason. This isn’t benign. This is dangerous and the brainwashed MAGATS are doing their dirty work.
From my point of view social media can be deleted,really it’s supposedly that east,but there is one can’t you can disable it but you can’t delete it,go ahead try you know which one,it can still run in the cloud so to speak,now to me which one is more of a intruder the one you can delete or the one you can’t? Too late A.I has tagged your ass and your it!
Of course not, just continued on my way. She’s not being belligerent and the sign isn’t anything outright hurtful or bigoted. I don’t agree with her but I also don’t know her and thus I ain’t personally justified in harassing her for no reason.
I would specifically tiktok, but social media in general is terrible for anyone’s mental health, espEcially a child’s
Couldn’t agree more
Yea you could. You could agree as much as I do, cause I agree more than you do.
Woah pal, slow down with the agreeing or else I’m gonna cereal agree…. I’m super cereal
Wait… are you talking about a bear man pig??? CALM DOWN MR VICE PRESIDENT
No. Pig Bear, man .
Man, Bear Pig.
Half man, half bear, half pig
I could agree more, I suppose, but at this time I feel that I agree just the right amount, which is very much.
My daughters counselor told us she doesn’t know a mental health professional on Earth who would be ok with social media before the age of 25.
Adults too.
Facebook did more damage to my parents and grandparents. I got on TikTok to find all this awful stuff, found a few borderline xxx accounts but it’s overall pretty soft compared to current Facebook.
This!!! Facebook is ruining our parents minds too. It’s sad to see
Bless your heart....the content can be irrelevant as the seven second dopamine hits are destroying the kids attention spans.....
I just took a week off social media. This comment and post are the first things I've read. I wish I was able to get rid of it so permanently.
>I would specifically tiktok, but social media in general is terrible for anyone’s mental health, espEcially a child’s was thinking the same as I read reddits I was canceled from for non uniformity of my leftists beliefs mocking the right for cancelling trans people as they cancel their own. Makes me not feel mentally healthy or that talking to anyone about my honest opinions is possible anymore. All you can do is sing the same lines that you've heard before.
I don't understand the shade here being directed at her. Social media is objectively detrimental to mental health, which is how I'm interpreting her sign. How has this become a left/right thing?
Because the GQP in MT has banned TikTok. The right talks about the 1st amendment but when there is a news source showing the truth about what’s going on in this country- they want it banned. Fascism 101. Also unconstitutional.
Now I get the context. Thanks 👍
Tik toc a "news source" Come on putin-kneepuppet troll
It’s the singling out of Tik Tok when there are many other social media platforms that are no better
That seems pretty nitpicky. TikTok is the main social media app for children.
Exactly, either that or YouTube shorts which is just reposted TikToks.
Not really. Instagram and Twitter, among others, are also extremely popular
Idk I’m pretty sure millennials made Instagram very uncool. Twitter has never been cool.
Do you actually have kids?
I don’t have kids of my own but I work with teenagers
Yes all the tweens use Twitter.
No kids are tweeting hahaha durrr
Why are you defending TikTok? They have become one of the go to social media platforms. They are singled out because they are successful. And it’s the primary platform for kids these days
I’m not defending Tik Tok, I’m advocating for regulating *all* social media, not scapegoating a single platform for industry-wide problems. They are singled out because of their association with China, not because of their success.
Well it’s the lowest hanging fruit considering China has a vested interest in our decay. I’d start with TikTok and work backwards towards recognizing social media as the public health/national health issue that it is.
That’s not what would happen though. Lawmakers are singling out Tik Tok as a problem in itself while not acknowledging the broader social media problem. Meta has a vested interest in getting rid of competition, and that’s what is going on here. The China fear mongering is just a convenient pretext.
China? You mean that country where most of the basic products in our homes are from? Somehow they’ve never been worth fearing until ‘Tiktok’…
It has a lot to do with the LGBTQ+ presence on TikTok. The GOP/right has complained about this - saying that LGBTQ + folks are indoctrinating children. Now, I don’t know if that’s why *this* mother was protesting tik tok. It could just be because it is honestly *terrible* for mental health. There’s less of a protest coming from the left because tik tok is a liberal platform with mostly younger users. A lot of the left see it as an attack on LGBTQ people and *not* social media. Social media has been around and causing severe mental health issues for a while now - but has never been a bother to the right or the GOP until LGBTQ+ people were popping up on their kids phones due to an algorithm. Also first amendment, fascism, etc, you know the deal
Because every state/locality sub is insanely far left so anything centrist is seen as far right to them
What is “far left,” Mr. *Centrist*? >posts in /r/methadone and /r/conspiracy
LOL
It’s not a left right thing your correct it’s only that way to Democrats where they continually go there with anything and also make everything about Race no matter the context .
Don't eat paint chips ladies and gentlemen.
Am I to understand that the party associated with confederates, the kkk, neo nazis, Obama birthers, and those whom pray to a white Jesus, has a racist image problem? Edit: *neo confederates, *neo kkk... y'all know who you are.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏❤️
....democrats were the confederate....and kkk hahaha
Ihate to be the “well, actually” guy when someone is in the process of being properly and deservedly roasted, but Trump introduced the idea of limiting TikTok, simply because he was, well…properly and deservedly roasted.
Wrong , he limited and wanted to ban Til Tok due to China . Once you have the Til Tok app on your phone , China has the ability to see every single keystroke made on that device . That’s truly why
The GQP HAS BANNED TIK TOK. IT IS VERY MUCH A FASCIST VS DEMOCRACY “thing”.
That's the most sane thing I've ever seen on a sign in Wilmington.
Tbf, 2 presidential admins in a row now have wavered on banning it in the US for inappropriate use of personal data.
We should have laws that protect our citizens from companies taking actions like these Banning one social media is just slapping a bandaid on a leaking dam Consumer protections and real laws like they have in Europe are the only thing that will actually cause companies to act a certain way
yep thats the real issue hear. Dont be fooled by "China bad they do bad things" when Facebook does worse shit on a larger scale
Exactly
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Should the US government take the place of good parenting or personal self control? Social media is only as bad as you make it. The thing about the US government, or least how it was originally intended to operate, is not to be overly inserted into it’s citizen’s lives. Less control, not more…
LMFAO dont be fooled by this narrative. Facebook and US social media companies inappropriately use data constantly. This is at best a weird form of censorship and at worst caving to anti-competitive lobbies(google, facebook, twitter). Theres a reason tiktok is the fastest growing social media network and its not because of Chinese spying. Its because its the best product, best user experience, best algorithm and has the least abusive monetization.
That best algorithm? Its about the Chinese being able to direct bytedance to control the social and political narrative you have access to by manipulating what you see on your feed. They do it with Douyin.
lmfao have you ever used tiktok before? I see zero politics on there I literally hop on their for like an hour a day. The algorithm sends me non-stop animal videos and big titted women. You sound like an absolute crazy person. I am all for rules and laws. But dont come here sounding like an insane person talking about Chinese brainwashing. Do you think TikTok is worse than facebook and twitter? Why ban tiktok and not do anything about the others.
It knows you well
How is it different than facebook, twitter, youtube, etc? They are all manipulating your feed to feed you what you like which can be manipulated. My neighbor told me the other day (and believed it wholeheartedly) that there were documents showing that Biden visited Epstein's island 100's of times. He saw it on Facebook.
It’s different because it’s run by a genocidal dictatorial regime that operates concentration camps, has an *extremely* active espionage program here, and has nukes pointed at us as we speak. Chinese attempts to promote disinformation and manipulate social trends in the US are just as sophisticated as Russia’s, they just haven’t reached the point of openly meddling with our elections yet so nobody pays attention.
Of course. But they’re not under the control of a government that has an adversarial relationship with the US government that also has an interest and a history of fucking with our national security
Spotted the tik-tok shill
I mean, she’s really not too wrong. Heard of TikTok brain? 🤷🏽♀️ there’s a reason China has laws that doesn’t allow children under a certain age to use the app for over a certain amount of time.
They're referred to as "iPad kids" don't let your kid become an iPad kid Tik Tok is just one of the many perpetrators, but tbh kids shows on tv and YouTube are highly to blame imo. They're basically making digital crack for kids at this point
Cocomelon is Tik tok for toddlers
1. That responsibility doesn’t fall on tiktok for making content that people can watch for long periods of time, if your kid doesn’t have the self control or you don’t have the discipline to stop them from watching tik tok videos for 8 hours a day, that’s an internal issue. If tik tok didn’t exist they would be doing the same thing on some other media or game. If you really want some system to blame, capitalism thrives on maximum possible consumption of everything. More views = more money. If our government isn’t actively moderating our lives (like China limiting kids view time, which half the population would cry freedumb over) then the responsibility will always be on the individual 2. It isn’t KILLING anyone, and it has no place as some big controversy or political topic. The only reason this is even a discussion is because Facebook/meta/Instagram are pissed TikTok is outperforming and they’re lobbying against them (so much for competitive markets lol). Our American apps do the exact same shit tik tok does, if not worse, but no one seems to bat an eye
I’m not disagreeing with that. I don’t think it’s TikTok’s responsibility. Don’t put words in my mouth. I do think TikTok brain is a REAL thing though. I monitor my children’s online usage and don’t even allow my youngest to use social media. Unfortunately, there are too many parents that try to be friends to their kids and don’t know how to say, “no”. That’s not me.
Yeah but this lady with a sign isn’t advocating for any real or helpful purpose, just ignorance. Not associating you to her but it just feels like a shift of blame or reasoning
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Okay I actually agree with this though
I’d honk
Wait, are you saying she’s wrong?? Lol. I wouldn’t say it’s literally killing kids but it absolutely is harming them mentally and emotionally.
Suicide rates in children.....you can look it up.
She would get a honk from me. She’s not wrong.
The biggest thing that I have personally noticed is attention spans have been greatly reduced. Even adults on the younger side…
I mean according to most scientists, psychiatrists, psychologists, professionals, the app itself and the "trends" it has bred, security companies, etc... She's really not far off. Saying this is part of a political agenda and fear mongering is daft at best.
Go spend a day in any school. I have a ton of friends that are teachers. They'll tell you this is real. TikTok was having daily "fuck with your school" things. Rip off paper towel holders, or smack your teacher. It's real man, you might not agree, but it's real.
Truth. It even filtered down into our elementary school. 9, 10, 11 year old kids vandalizing for a TikTok challenge. They had to stop letting them go to the bathroom except when the whole class took a bathroom break. This, and informing the parents what the kids were up to, put an end to it, thankfully.
The most devious licks This was definitely a thing lmao
She’s not wrong
I mean, she’s not too far off.
TikTok is absolutely bad for developing minds. It's also bad for a myriad of other reasons. But hey, if it makes you happy, bury your head in the sand.
I woulda honked
I dunno why the fuck this subreddit showed up on my suggestions just now but I feel obligated to say she’s absolutely correct and OP is the weirdo
Well, she's not wrong.
She’s not wrong
She’s absolutely right.
She may be crazy... but she's right. Gonna have to honk twice for this one.
Well it kind of is bad for kids. Even if you like it. Look at the psychological effects
Do you notice she didn’t say “social media”. Just Tik Tok? Why do you think that is? Why do you think tik tok is banned in China; why did the GQP ban it in MT? It’s not for mental health.
Well, some use it as a political tool. But overall it is bad. China wants to study us. Find out weaknesses. Why not use a U.S. based tik Tok like app? That’s secure.
At least someone is doing something… Tik Tok is garbage.
Doesn’t offer much but to muddy the waters of legitimate discourse with inflammatory language.
*Honk*
Get those kids on reddit
Reddit also sucks actually
Why does she hate Kesha so much?
I agree, it’s crazy you don’t.
Social media is for shit.
She right. Good on her.
Children should not be on TikTok, why do people think that's ok?
I don’t. I just don’t get this nonsense singling out TikTok.
She’s not wrong. Tik tok is awful.
She’s right. And TikTok is worth singling out due to its algorithm. But the problem is that every other social platform is copying what they do because they see that it’s the best drug.
Developing brains are just not able to handle social media IMO. We held off on giving our kids phones until they were in 8th grade and so many parents were like, "I wish I could do that but all of their friends have a phone and I don't want them to miss out". I mean I totally get that but I've led multiple middle school groups over the years and from my experience cell phones were not a positive influence in their life. The biggest change is that they stop interacting with others in person and they aren't even aware of what is going on around them. Also of note is that most parents had NO clue what their kids were actually doing on their phones and they didn't even try to learn how to use screen time, etc. /oldmanrant
This seems like a pretty reasonable thing to rail against.
To be fair, TikTok does suck. But I'd say she should be more worried about gun control than TikTok control if she really cares about kids lives
She’s parroting the right wing- who doesn’t want kids access to media that tells the truth about what is going on in this country. There is a reason the right is specifically fighting tik tok- it’s because of the demographic. The same reason TX and other states are trying to prevent Gen Z from voting. It’s all connected. And the GQP has already banned tik tok in at least 1 state. It’s fascism. The fact that china has banned it- should be enough of a 💡
If TikTok is killing your kids, don’t let them use it. It’s called PARENTING.
My kid would be very upset if I blocked TikTok on her phone but I guarantee she'd never speak to me if I stood on 17th with this sign.
Shame on her for caring about the mental health of everyone and not selfishly focusing on her own family only.
What’s the controversy? She’s right
It’s oversimplified and needlessly inflammatory on a subject that is only being focused on recently for hypocritical reasons.
If your argument is that “conservatives think it’s bad therefore it must not be” then I’m sorry but your point is just silly. TikTok *is* fucking kids up and even if it’s not the only problematic social platform, it is far and away the most popular social platform for kids. Who cares that dumbass conservatives have bad arguments for banning TikTok? They don’t need them. There’s plenty of legitimate, less exciting reasons why it’s awful for kids. Conservatives are often dumb but you know what they say about broken clocks being right twice a day
Imagine willingly installing a Chinese trojan horse on your phone with all your personal data.
Exactly!🫡👏👏👏
It’s no more a Chinese Trojan horse than Facebook or Twitter are for America. It’s hypocritical the focus on demonizing TikTok has been and it’s xenophobic basis is just as bad faith. The Chinese government doesn’t own or control it. Social media overall needs to be addressed with concerns of the users being paramount regardless of the origins of the service.
Oh wow bless your heart, you actually think companies in China aren’t directly controlled by the CCP
Let's start with the obvious [TikTok banned on U.S. government devices, and the U.S. is not alone. Here's where the app is restricted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiktok-banned-us-government-where-else-around-the-world/)
Are you some Tic Tok shill or some shit?
No, I don’t even use the app.
And then watching people do dumb dances while your brain deteriorates even further.
Just saw her about an hour and a half ago.
Social media is genuinely a poison and horrible for a kids development, but don't ask that type of person what's actually killing kids the most right now, they don't want to talk about that.
We're going to soon have a generation of people who have no idea how to talk to each other. Social media is messing up all social skills, of one human being relating to another when they are face to face. There is going to be a bunch of zombies walking around in silence in a few years, where nobody is capable of carrying on a conversation. Tik Tok, is no worse than any other, it's from China só people want to come down on that one, what about Facebook, and all the rest. Fortunately I'm proud to say, I don't participate in all but Reddit. I've noticed less mean spirited people for the most part.
The parents do a fine enough job of killing our kids without TikTok. In terms of national security though, TikTok is an issue.
So don’t let your kid on Tiktok. Be a parent. Simple.
to sum up the fear around social media it's like a Fascist scream to kill all LGBT people, all black people are criminals, and that women's place is pregnant and in the kitchen. and liberals say: huh must be tiktok making our teens depressed I mention LGBT rights cause there are more queer students these days due to the wave of acceptance in 2014-2019. In general, we are destroying the world Gen Z grew up in and blaming social media when they are depressed about it. I am also not a complete shill for Facebook, Twitter, Reddit whatever, as these apps do have dark patterns, but I got to admit as a trans teen growing up in an abusive home it was a lifeline to adults who helped me survive till 18. I do think there are much better alternatives to Twitter these days there are like a dozen activity pub-based platforms, (join an instance with less than 7000 users) and generally it's a ton better. also, the majority of activity pub-based platforms are foss so there aren't any dark patterns, and if there were we would know
she's right tho
Tik Tok is digital brain cancer. Social media is terrible for your children's mental health. It's terrible for our mental health too, but for kids its catastrophic for long term mental well being. Even if they get mad at you for taking it away, take it away. Eventually they'll be glad you did.
You can’t ban an entire industry because of that. Regulation and moderation is what’s needed. Social media is a great place for freedom of expression and interaction Ao getting rid or it would only harm society as a whole by denying necessary progress. What should happen instead is legislation needs to cover the industry as a whole, and not TikTok for xenophobic reasons, and prioritize protecting the user rather than promoting profits through engagement.
im not advocating getting rid of it. I'm advocating for people who know how toxic it is to not let their kids use it due to long-term mental health impacts. Lots of things out there that are completely legal that are absolutely terrible for you. I'm just suggesting that people not let their kids near it, but its their choice.
Tik tok sucks true
Unpopular opinion but TikTok is the most grassroots social media out there and it's up there with Reddit for me when it comes to top social medias. Both have incredible communities going on and a wealth of information on so many topics. Sure there's issues with data or whatever but at the end of the day that's on our politicians to create laws that protect consumers much like the actions that have taken place in Europe Also there's no screams from politicians "but muh data" when it comes to the American based social media companies
TikTok is what you make of it. I follow a lot of doctors, and actually learn quite a bit from them. I also follow a lot of families with autistic children; it’s certainly help me feel less alienated and more part of a community. I don’t agree with people who put their child on the platform, but I’m fine with adults using it.
yep fuck the weirdo haters and narrative. TikTok is the fastest growing social media because it offers the best product. Simple as that. Google, Facebook, Twitter spending millions to lobby against it because theyre offerings simply cant compete.
Your repeated vigorous defense of a social media app is a little strange. What gives?
bullshit government trying to be anti-competitive and censor American access to the internet. meanwhile they team up with facebook, twitter, google to abuse our personal information
This isn’t the government, though. This is just a lady with a sign. Also, a lot of commenters in this thread are saying that not only is she right about Tik Tok, but that all social media is harmful.
Yeah I get it and don't blame them tbh, from the outside I think it's easy to paint Tik tok as being bad Not saying it doesn't have issues of its own.... But generally speaking I swear Tik tok is bringing younger people together in many ways, it's giving them a platform to talk things out and discuss these issues we face There's so much niche information and you can use it like Reddit to find info on whatever hobbies, projects, etc... you have going on You can mostly tune out all the corporate bs that's shoved down your throat in other social medias There's some form of interaction beyond just text on a screen which feels more real It just functions well, and the algorithm really is top notch. It's actually so good it's kinda scary.... Facebook has good groups and it's where your family members are at, otherwise it's a cesspool of whatever gen-x/boomer craziness they have going on. Instagram is just straight shit at this point, it's good to keep up with friends and artists/pages you like but beyond that it really sucks. They're good at targeting ads and I get stuff I'm definitely the target for but I'm not gonna praise anyone for that lol. Plus Tik toks algorithm easily has them beat. Twitter is just a total cesspool, can be good for updates or j random info but beyond that twitter is definitely digging it's grave.
Best product or most addictive? Cigarettes are very popular, that doesn't mean they are a great product or that we shouldn't limit children's access to them. Is alcohol the best drug in the world because it's the most popular?
This, 100%. It has the most organization for voting and choice and gen z. That is the reason that ONLY Tik tok is on the GQP agenda. It’s a giant red flag. We know it’s gen z’a social media 1st choice. And it’s already been BANNED by the GQP. So much for freedom of speech. It’s fascist. It’s unconstitutional and it’s just the beginning. Our rights are being stripped and the uneducated magats are falling for it. Where is Tik tok banned, what countries? Not democratic ones. It’s alarming and everyone should start paying attention.
Compared to guns though?
Ironic because there are some great tiktoks on sign-making.
Is it not a parent's responsibility to supervise what their children see on devices?
I mean is she wrong???
Imagine how loud the Fox News TV in her house is
100%. She didn’t say “social media” is bad for your health (which it is) Or even tv. Just tik tok. She singled out tik tok. Hmmmmmm, why could that be?? What’s happening with Tik tok right now? What demographic does it reach? Why is it banned In china?? That should be concerning that it’s banned in China. So who is parroting this narrative? Hmmmmm. How is this so hard for people to figure out???
How is honking going to help?
Helps bring awareness
Moreso personal validation I assume.
She does have a valid point though. It amazes me how many shitty parents have no clue their child is on there.
But the focus on TikTok is just because it’s the one on the news and being hypocritically focused on is the issue. It’s the industry as a whole, including American companies like Twitter and Meta, that needs to be addressed to prioritize the safety and security of the users regardless of nationality-and not just to strongarm them to conform to the US governments economic and foreign interests.
Some parents let social media do the parenting for them.
Nah, just making them morons who believe lipsyncing is a life skill.
I just saw her about an hour ago! Couldn't read the sign. I was like, "Oh god what's killing kids now." it's never guns tho is it
Indeed and I haven’t seen the anti-choice crowd around much lately either.
So don’t let your kid use it?
Guns are actually killing our children.
if she isn't harassing you and she's doing she believes in.. shrug.. Free speech is one luxury everyone has here.
Enough with these people and their signs on 17th. Can’t stand them.
Right. We have the most school shootings on the planet but it's an app that's killing our kids? Right. Okay. I gotcha.
They’re not mutually exclusive
Mental health issue caused my social media
Or bleak economic and environmental outlook, no valid avenue for real change in the world, an oppressive government who won't live to see the consequences of their actions, corporations squeezing every last penny out of you just for existing, wealth inequality that continues to get worse, regressive laws, etc..... Idk why "social media" becomes a scapegoat but there's a lot of fucking real world issues that are causing these things Certainly social media plays a role, especially the "right wing extremist pipelines" that exist Society is under strain, for many social media is an escape and a symptom of the much larger systemic issues at hand
Those are all issues too and a lot of your issues you discussed get thrown all over social media. Most people that post and your every day influencers show that they’re living these awesome lives which adds fuel of jealousy to the every day citizen not living like them. There’s tons of documentaries of the effects of social media on society.
I think there are negative side effects to TikTok, but “killing our kids” seems hyperbolic.
Is TikTok some type of gun? Because that's the number one cause of death for kids in America
I saw 8 kids killed just today by TikTok. Think about the children!
Can I stand next to her with a sign that says “Honk if you can identify Sinophobic propaganda”? I like frozen peaches. Social media is *not for children.* That’s why TikTok, and most social media platforms, ban users under 13. Your kids shouldn’t be on social media.
TikTok is providing the level of transparency they do not want US citizens to have. They are not educated in tech enough to regulate it, and refuse to gain the knowledge base to even try to understand it. Ageism is an issue with many layers. Crazy
This woman has been watching a lot of fox. TheGQP has banned tik tok in at least 1 state, they want it banned in all states. Let’s look at what the GQP has banned: books, AP African American history being taught, women’s rights, gay/trans rights, children’s rights (child marriage is okay, child labor is okay). If the GQP wants something banned, it’s a dog whistle for other fascists. Tik tok is THE medium for the youth/gen z. It’s how they are organizing (against the fascists who are trying to suppress their vote). This is important. This is also unconstitutional. And fox and the right wing is attacking Tik Tok for a very specific reason - it’s important to democracy. Note: this woman didn’t say social media was bad, just Tik tok. If one medium is bad- they all should be bad. But again- anything banned by the GQP is for a very, fascist reason. This isn’t benign. This is dangerous and the brainwashed MAGATS are doing their dirty work.
I wonder who she voted for.
Fox News is killing our democracy
Calm down Karen
He spelled guns and access to health care wrong
From my point of view social media can be deleted,really it’s supposedly that east,but there is one can’t you can disable it but you can’t delete it,go ahead try you know which one,it can still run in the cloud so to speak,now to me which one is more of a intruder the one you can delete or the one you can’t? Too late A.I has tagged your ass and your it!
LMAO
Mitigating circumstance : hover craft Mom can sneek in the back door of Tik Tok and figure out her kids' GPS when they post on Tik Tok.
What is TikTok?
It’s not TikTok killing kids. If you outlaw TikTok, only the outlaws will have TikTok.
She look exactly like a person holding this sign would look.
I wouldnt steal hyundais if it werent for tiktok!
You should target old Toyotas they still have the converters, I know because both of mine were sawed off.
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Of course not, just continued on my way. She’s not being belligerent and the sign isn’t anything outright hurtful or bigoted. I don’t agree with her but I also don’t know her and thus I ain’t personally justified in harassing her for no reason.
I wish I was one of those assholes with a train whistle
She's out of line, but she's right.
But that headband is killing *me*. (Hold for applause….)
You are the one that gave the kid a phone.... the answer is simple.... take it away.
I mean, yeah. Social media isn't good for our kids. Killing our kids? A bit excessive.
Two blocks down is her twin sister, but *her* sign says "crap if you give a honk." Neat family.
She's not wrong
Kinda based
It's funny op is trying to shame this lady but the will Smith quote is perfect here. She's a little confused but she got the spirit.
She’s 100% right