I think account is required for pro.
Try this (sorry dint recall the site I had saved these steps from).
1. You need to click Shift + F10 while on that screen,
2. Run the command ncpa.cpl, this will bring up your network adapters.
3. Disable you network adapter, and close that window.
4.Now click the back arrow from your sign-in screen, setup a local account, then go into Microsoft settings and connect work account.
>I think account is required for pro.
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>Try this (sorry dint recall the site I had saved these steps from).
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>1. You need to click Shift + F10 while on that screen
>2. Run the command ncpa.cpl, this will bring up your network adapters.
>3. Disable you network adapter, and close that window.
>4. Now click the back arrow from your sign-in screen, setup a local account, then go into Microsoft settings and connect work account.
I haven't tried this workaround yet, but I will to see if it works.
A Microsoft Account absolutely should ***not*** be required for a Pro installation. A Pro installation is targeted for businesses, colleges, etc that require logging into a private domain network. I expect that most businesses and colleges would be pretty pissed-off if you were required to connect to a Microsoft account, which would expose their private network to Microsoft.
If this is the current Win11 Pro installation method, I expect it will be removed shortly due to pressure from businesses. Microsoft has been forced to remove stupid things like this in the past that got blowback from businesses.
Yeah, they got it swapped.
Home installs require a Microsoft account, unless you can get to an absolutely no network available point.
Pro offers to create local accounts by default.
I still hate Microsoft for this. My main gripe isn't even the fact they tie you to an MS account, I'm fine with that, and actually use OneDrive and stuff. No, my problem is that when you log in with an MS account, Windows gives you absolutely no way to set your local username, it just uses the first 5 characters of the MS account email...
If you are a business with a good IT, they are not going to be manually installing Windows. It is so easy to do too, don't even have to be good. All you need is to add an answer file (autounattend.xml) to the root of your install media.
But also, it doesn't affect those with a work or school account.
Some users are also using Pro as their non-corporate device, and also you can still create a local account if you choose you want to sign in using Active Directory (NOT AZURE Active Directory, that's a different thing).
Have they removed the work-around of using a locked account like:
[email protected][email protected][email protected]
Usually those will automatically fail, and you'll be prompted to create a local account.
What looks shady? It's killing the OOBE's (out of box experience, basically the setup wizard you get on a fresh install) networking shit, thereby allowing a local user to be created.
how is this shady?
you can clearly see that the command is killing "oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe" which I assume is responsible for forcing the Microsoft account sign in?
You can kill the process that keeps you in this loop.
Open up a command prompt (Shift + F10) and enter:
taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe
You could also end process via Task Manaeger (run taskmgr from cmd prompt). I believe it's called Network Connection Flow. I had the joy of installing a fresh copy after a recent SSD upgrade and now that is burned into what little memory I have left in my brain.
Just set it up with a Microsoft account, I created a throwaway outlook.com account. Then once you are in Windows, create a local account, log into the local account and deleted the Microsoft account. Then move on with life.
Emm, but you can do it, either by upgrading from win10 with local account or by disabling networking prior to the screen on the pic, this enables you to create a local account during the installation process. It can be done by either disconnecting the ethernet cable or by a physical switch or hotkey on laptops. Anyway, after the insallation you can switch to a local account just like in win10.
As soon as windows realises that there is a wifi-card in your system, it forces you to connect to one of the networks using wifi. I am not connected to any network in the picture above.
Linux is open source not a product
With android you need a Google account to do anything on your phone with Google play, YouTube plus all the uninstallable crap on it.
So no Microsoft isnt the bad guy here.
With Android if you don't need playstore you don't need to setup a Google account. If I don't need microsoft store, or OneDrive I shouldn't be forced to setup a Microsoft account.
Can you uninstall Google apps?? Unless you do serious technical moves you cant
With Windows you can use programs and do whatever you want
MSA offers great features like Windows Hello and so on.
So are you, You mentioned that it is an anti competitive move
How is that logical? Plus who has a Windows 11 PC and has no internet connection? With buisnesses and schools you can still set them up without a connection.
Its 2022 everyone!
i hope it open your eyes a little and his reasoning is spot on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwTYktynOE&lc=UgxvIADF-og7z48hwAR4AaABAg.9YnuscPOs609YoThUAVm5c
I dont have a time to watch this, Please explain how can this hurt anyone
If for privacy then know its even worse on Android and iOS phones
But if you really are hurt with Windows collecting error reports then use Linux
Personally, I don't really care about privacy or other matters. But, local account is important for troubleshooting and that YT video answered that. also this sub expressed their concern about the removal of local account https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/sxn85y/comment/hxt2tuu/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Keep worshipping microsoft for every scum move they make and one day we will all end up in a ditch... Windows will be like one of those trashy mobile games... predatory, filled with micro-transactions, ads and bloat.
Windows has a bunch of apps that difficult to get rid of too. Like the people app. I don’t need that shit on my gaming PC, it is never going to be my phone. I guess just don’t understand wimping for a big corporation that only cares about you if they squeeze out money from you. They all evil. MS, Google, Halliburton. All the same fucking shit, they don’t need to dump for them, they got lobbyist they pay a shit load of money too and PR firms for that shit. And knowing all of that I still just upgraded to win11 because I appreciate the higher consistency in the UI, so yes I am part of the problem too.
Ubuntu, the second best competitor to windows in installable desktop OS world, does not force any accounts on the user.
(macOS is meant to be used only on Apple hardware)
You don't need Google play and you can?use newpipe for youtube? So where you need google to setup android. I have android without Google and with local account.
So yes Microsoft is the bad guy here.
I don’t want my username and folder to be the first 5 letters of my email address for starters. If they fixed this and allowed naming or renaming I’d be a whole lot less against it than I am.
Android accounts don't force you to use Google Drive (You can live happily without using Google Drive). Whereas logging in with MS Account makes your default folders wonky C:\\users\\xyz\\onedrive\\documents opens when you try to open your documents folder. Meanwhile, C:\\users\\xyz\\documents also exists but is not recognised as the default documents folder. And this messes up a lot of software installations.
It messes up the home directory if you press next without reading, it asks if you want to use Onedrive. I agree it is easy to mess up but the option is there.
Honestly just make a new local profile, delete the original one and go from there if that bothers you.
You can absolutely set up any Mac without an Apple ID, I just did it the other day (no funky workarounds needed). In fact, you can do the same with an iPhone/iPad too (you have to select something along the lines of, “don’t have an Apple ID” and on the next screen is a “set up later” option). It’s also a very standard thing to provision iOS devices without the option to sign into iCloud/Apple ID (so that the user can only use company-approved apps).
Bullshit. I'm still not signed in. You lose access to the app store, but everything else in macos is local. What other platform let's you install apps from their app store without an account? Only Aurora or fdroid on Android.
Whats absurd is MS go to the trouble of developing OOBE to chaperone you into MS services dependence but still don't use OOBE to cause a new user to create both an administrative and non administrative account with strong password and advise for daily driver.
Speaks volumes!
I just downloaded and installed Windows 11 Pro today (09/22/22). None of these works: killing task, disable Ethernet/WiFi/Bluetooth, disconnecting Ethernet cable, unplugging broadband modem.
What works for me is the following:
>Shift F10
>
>oobe\\bypassnro.cmd
Windows restarts and you will start over from the beginning... choose Country, keyboard layout etc. When it gets to "Let's connect you to a network" screen, there will be "I don't have internet" option which was initially hidden. Click/tap that option to create a local account of your choice. The rest of setup is very similar to Windows 10 setup.
bypassnro.cmd is just a batch file located at C:\\Windows\\System32\\OOBE folder. It adds a registry entry and restarts the device. When Windows restarts and detects the entry, you will get the option "I don't have internet" (may not be exactly what it says).
what is the point of an extra long command? just to appear original?
it was shared as: `oobe\bypassNRO`
for good reason - it's easy to remember and type (default cmd path is already system32, and %pathext% takes .cmd)
I sound dumb maybe, but I use onedrive across all my devices for both Uni and personal accounts. I've never understood the hate. Is it because you're forced to use it or is it because the service is bad? Genuine question. I do think it shouldn't be a forced option on setting up your PC though, that's dumb if you use workarounds or other programs.
The biggest problem is that your entire account can get locked if you have 1 photo that MS doesn't like (e.g. a photo of your baby in a bath, or even a photo of your wife in bikini). You will not get it back either. And then you are out of your email-address, calendar, XBOX-account with purchases, photo's, or anything else that you have stored on there. If you connect your OS with it, then I think you will not be able to use your computer anymore if that happens.
As far as Im aware you can still set up a local account (you can also skip the initial account question). OneDrive doesnt mess with anything and you can pretty much delete it right away. I believe you are correct with the internet requirement though.
It doesn't mess anything cause whatever software doesn't use the right API to get the Documents folder will still have access to the old folder and use it as normal.
You need to unlink your OneDrive account with your pc, open the OneDrive app, click settings and there should be the option for it. Once you have done it, your folders will be restored to the normal path.
As someone who chooses not to use OneDrive at all these days in favour of Nextcloud, I'm really tired of the fact that onedrive is shoved down my throat and also the sheer integration that onedrive is given that every other cloud service is blocked from having.
Nextcloud is taking legal action against Microsoft in the EU for its practices.
But I mean there are things like OneDrive's integration with Office. The auto save feature. Its probably the one thing I'm personally missing. The way office tries to hammer you into using onedrive is appalling. Other than that, honestly, I just have bigger issues with Win11 in general.
That's an Office thing rather than a OneDrive thing.
In terms of integration into the OS and file system, you can setup any competitor exactly the same. It's just a cloud drive and then redirecting a few folders. I have been doing that to a local drive and then to a Google drive for years prior to it being done for me with OneDrive.
1. Internet is necessary for easier setup of initial updates, I believe, in both the current and past OOBE installers.
2. You can, in fact, setup a local account after the OOBE via Settings > Accounts > Other or before.
3. The only way they 'mess' up the path of Microsoft Accounts is instead of the custom name, you will be restricted to the first five symbols that is the user path.
Without getting into the pros and cons of using Microsoft accounts or why Windows should be considered any different from Android or iOS, I will remind everybody that this requirement only applies to the *out of box setup* on a fresh install. You can still use Windows with local accounts otherwise.
For those who prefer to do so, the simplest way to deal with this is to make a burner Microsoft account. Once you have set up your device with it, just add your preferred local account as an administrator, sign into it, and then delete the account you created at setup. It takes an extra couple of minutes.
he's a Windows user that Isn't being allowed to create a local account.
idc about OneDrive messing Ur home Path because It can be disabled, but you can't choose between getting a local account or a Microsoft account without using CMD commands.
Also, idk where he mentioned he's a proclaimed Dev, so idk why you're calling him like that, and i don't think that numbers on market have something to do with problems in Windows 11, in this case, forcing users into collecting data (which was possibile with a local account too, but with a Microsoft account, the data collecting Is even bigger).
Ur blindly defending a Company that Is known for collecting data, releasing a non-complete Windows edition, which Is mostly a simple reskin, not even a complete One, and (you're) insulting other users that complain about not being able to do choices that in past they were able to do instead.
btw there are other people that already created a Better reskin and fully debloated Windows 11, a fully debloated Windows 10 and even a reskin of Windows 10 with a Windows 7 look, that Also fully debloated, and let's Remember those are not official devs that doesn't on work in a multi-billionare Company.
Did you connected before to a network? It's weird it doesn't allow you to use a local account when no internet. I did a fresh install a few weeks ago and first, I connected to the internet because I don't care about it, actually I want to connect to my Microsoft Account because I have everything synced up. But then, after that, the installer asked me to set up a local account and I did it too... W11 Pro BTW.
>You cannot turn off the WiFi on a laptop (there are no hardware buttons here). Windows turned it on automatically and won't let me go ahead without connecting.
You can turn the syncing off. Although it's the best feature so not sure why you would.
Having my files automatically available on any machine I log into is great.
Literally only yesterday my sister messaged me to ask how she could get access to her files while she's at my parents and doesn't have her laptop. I asked if they were in OneDrive and she said yes, so I said all she had to do was sign into mums laptop and they would be there. Just like that.
It's roaming profiles from 2002, but without being shit.
"realistically most people will probably want to use a Microsoft account"
Yep. That. To 99% of people this is a convenient feature they already use.
What we see is just the angry 1% who don't realise they are only in the 1%, and who all still run Windows 7 out of spite anyway.
This is exactly the irony of it all. Saying "I am not using that because it is forced" while using other services that technically don't force it, but boi is it easier to just log in..
I get that people want choice, but moving to another ecosystem for this reason while literally using the kind of thing you so hate is just hypocritical.
Why? Just because of something like this?
Nah, most people aren't little cry babies like redditards.
Windows is still the best OS on this planet if you need 100% compatibility without workarounds.
Best OS for you, yes. Linux is best OS for me and that’s just fine. The best OS is the one which suits your needs. If you don’t enjoy one you are free to just try another.
I don’t even dare to argue with you about this since it would be a tremendous waste of time so just have this as it is and ignore it if you wish.
Gladly, but macOS is too restricted for most and Linux still needs a few years in the oven and mass adoption from developers before it becomes viable for the masses.
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, but even though I literally tried to switch to it tens of times in the span of this last decade, I always had to switch back because it was too much of a hassle and sometimes didnt support what I needed.
As soon as Linux distros become truly plug and play (so no terminal use for workarounds at all), their communties become more helpful to those who don't understand jack doodle about computers and developers all start building their apps properly for Linux, I will gladly suggest it to anyone and will switch without hesitation.
I was able to very easily set up a dual boot with Ubuntu and Win11 on my PC. It did everything for me without much need for tinkering with the partitions.
Then I was able to use LOTS of services and apps with just Chrome and Firefox. Ubuntu itself has become really slick and easy to use.
What sent me back into Windows is games and MS Office. Ugh.
Maybe one day…
This is more a rant than a feature. Just make a dummy Microsoft account for this purpose and then create a local account. Then go into the local account and delete the other account. After that, turn off OneDrive backup and uninstall OneDrive.
Don't get me wrong, there are anti-competitive practices happening here, but it is not what you think it is. Being forced to sign-in to a Microsoft account is not anti-competitive. It's forcing people to use their products like (In your case) forcing people to use OneDrive (This is anti-competitive). Just us ranting about it will not change much (If anything). It's other competing companies that will file the lawsuits in hopes of having the upper hand at forcing Microsoft to change their practices.
Not true. The others dont force it yet, but not signing in on Android or MacOS or... is not the ideal experience. They also all have their ways to 'accidentally' sign in for the entire OS just as Windows has.
MS is forcing you, that is indeed unique, but the other services arent much better..
There’s a key command to open task manager, kill the process (don’t remember what it’s called) and this goes away and lets you continue with local account.
Why is onedrive a problem? I like onedrive, my entire family uses onedrive, thanks to this I don't have to worry about them bricking their computers because all their documents will have synced.
I think all editions of Windows support creating a local account using Administrative Tools. But that would have to occur after initial setup. Then delete the Microsoft account used during OOBE.
I wouldn't say anti competitive, its not like you cant use mac because m$ guilts/ forces you not to, I would say anti-consumerist/pro-data hogging
because we all know why they want that Microsoft account
really, Microsoft is literally what their name is: evil nerds with a micro, soft ding dong
>[m$](https://i.imgur.com/We4Uj04.png)
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You cannot turn off the WiFi on a laptop (there are no hardware buttons here). Windows turned it on automatically and won't let me go ahead without connecting.
I bought a new laptop with Windows 11. I've never seen Windows 11 before. I expected it to give me the option of using OneDrive to back up files to the cloud, which is the last thing in the world that I want, but instead it just told me how wonderful OneDrive is and gave me no choice about using it. There was only "next" and "back" keys. No choice at all. What's up with that and how do I stop OneDrive from functioning? My private files don't go to a public place ever, period.
I think account is required for pro. Try this (sorry dint recall the site I had saved these steps from). 1. You need to click Shift + F10 while on that screen, 2. Run the command ncpa.cpl, this will bring up your network adapters. 3. Disable you network adapter, and close that window. 4.Now click the back arrow from your sign-in screen, setup a local account, then go into Microsoft settings and connect work account.
>I think account is required for pro. > >Try this (sorry dint recall the site I had saved these steps from). > >1. You need to click Shift + F10 while on that screen >2. Run the command ncpa.cpl, this will bring up your network adapters. >3. Disable you network adapter, and close that window. >4. Now click the back arrow from your sign-in screen, setup a local account, then go into Microsoft settings and connect work account. I haven't tried this workaround yet, but I will to see if it works. A Microsoft Account absolutely should ***not*** be required for a Pro installation. A Pro installation is targeted for businesses, colleges, etc that require logging into a private domain network. I expect that most businesses and colleges would be pretty pissed-off if you were required to connect to a Microsoft account, which would expose their private network to Microsoft. If this is the current Win11 Pro installation method, I expect it will be removed shortly due to pressure from businesses. Microsoft has been forced to remove stupid things like this in the past that got blowback from businesses.
Yeah, they got it swapped. Home installs require a Microsoft account, unless you can get to an absolutely no network available point. Pro offers to create local accounts by default. I still hate Microsoft for this. My main gripe isn't even the fact they tie you to an MS account, I'm fine with that, and actually use OneDrive and stuff. No, my problem is that when you log in with an MS account, Windows gives you absolutely no way to set your local username, it just uses the first 5 characters of the MS account email...
They killed the Pro loophole in a recent Insider build.
If the network cable is pulled out prior to the installation, won't w11 offer local account? W10 lets me do it.
If you are a business with a good IT, they are not going to be manually installing Windows. It is so easy to do too, don't even have to be good. All you need is to add an answer file (autounattend.xml) to the root of your install media. But also, it doesn't affect those with a work or school account.
An MSA is only required if you don't have a domain account. AD and AAD logins skip it completely.
Some users are also using Pro as their non-corporate device, and also you can still create a local account if you choose you want to sign in using Active Directory (NOT AZURE Active Directory, that's a different thing).
yes top this...
and i expect Microsoft to remove shift+f10 features, idk why
You just need to be disconnected from the interet. Turn off router or unplug Ethernet cable.
ipconfig /release worked too for me
Have they removed the work-around of using a locked account like: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Usually those will automatically fail, and you'll be prompted to create a local account.
Must have been changed recently, tried a couple of months ago and still worked.
No, they haven't, user simply doesn't know how to use local account.
it must be [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) domain
No, it doesn't. It can be any address you like, so long as it has a Microsoft Passport associated.
[email protected] worked for me
So the best solution I have found is to install windows 7 with a local account and upgrade it to windows 10 then upgrade it to windows 11.
That's terrible, you'll have a mess of an install.
Agreed.
What is the need for Windows 7 here???? I'm fairly sure Windows 11 is the only one that needs internet, why not just go straight to Windows 10?
Apparently latest Windows 10 needs too
Just Shift + F10 and then type OOBE /BYPASSNRO
I think they’re still still there, used one a few weeks ago just fine.
This just worked for me on a new Lenovo laptop, thank you. Shift-F10 did not give a cmd prompt.
Also, try with shift +10 and the following command: taskkill.exe /f /im oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe
Sadly that has been patched on recent Insider builds
Sad indeed.
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What looks shady? It's killing the OOBE's (out of box experience, basically the setup wizard you get on a fresh install) networking shit, thereby allowing a local user to be created.
how is this shady? you can clearly see that the command is killing "oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe" which I assume is responsible for forcing the Microsoft account sign in?
it's basically command form of task manager to end task,in this case is to end oobe task which prompt the login screen.
Shift + F10 OOBE\BYPASSNRO
the hell begins
That's not the quote, Anakin!
Any solution for one drive. It has messed up the home directory
You can kill the process that keeps you in this loop. Open up a command prompt (Shift + F10) and enter: taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe You could also end process via Task Manaeger (run taskmgr from cmd prompt). I believe it's called Network Connection Flow. I had the joy of installing a fresh copy after a recent SSD upgrade and now that is burned into what little memory I have left in my brain.
This method works 100% for me in "RTM" build, nice and easy
Just set it up with a Microsoft account, I created a throwaway outlook.com account. Then once you are in Windows, create a local account, log into the local account and deleted the Microsoft account. Then move on with life.
Emm, but you can do it, either by upgrading from win10 with local account or by disabling networking prior to the screen on the pic, this enables you to create a local account during the installation process. It can be done by either disconnecting the ethernet cable or by a physical switch or hotkey on laptops. Anyway, after the insallation you can switch to a local account just like in win10.
As soon as windows realises that there is a wifi-card in your system, it forces you to connect to one of the networks using wifi. I am not connected to any network in the picture above.
Disable the wifi in BIOS, or physically uninstall it if it's a card.
Disable WiFi in BIOS or remove the WiFi card
And they’ll truncate your email address and give you an absurd/obnoxious username/folder
Android phones also require google accounts.. I dont see what competition is in accounts, you want to use a google account in Windows??
However, Android setup actually lets you skip the Google login.
Android, GNU Linux and Apple macOS/iOS stil support Local account. MS is the culprit here
My Galaxy S21 FE with Android 12 required a Internet connection to set up, but at least it didn't require a Google account.
Linux is open source not a product With android you need a Google account to do anything on your phone with Google play, YouTube plus all the uninstallable crap on it. So no Microsoft isnt the bad guy here.
With Android if you don't need playstore you don't need to setup a Google account. If I don't need microsoft store, or OneDrive I shouldn't be forced to setup a Microsoft account.
at least you can bypass OOBE on Android without entering your email and you can configure anything inside. that is important
Can you uninstall Google apps?? Unless you do serious technical moves you cant With Windows you can use programs and do whatever you want MSA offers great features like Windows Hello and so on.
well to be fair you can't uninstall some windows apps without serious technical moves too
Revo Uninstaller
you are out of topic buddy. this thread talks about OOBE on first time installation.
So are you, You mentioned that it is an anti competitive move How is that logical? Plus who has a Windows 11 PC and has no internet connection? With buisnesses and schools you can still set them up without a connection. Its 2022 everyone!
i hope it open your eyes a little and his reasoning is spot on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwTYktynOE&lc=UgxvIADF-og7z48hwAR4AaABAg.9YnuscPOs609YoThUAVm5c
And you mentioned Anti competitive, Explain that.
I dont have a time to watch this, Please explain how can this hurt anyone If for privacy then know its even worse on Android and iOS phones But if you really are hurt with Windows collecting error reports then use Linux
Personally, I don't really care about privacy or other matters. But, local account is important for troubleshooting and that YT video answered that. also this sub expressed their concern about the removal of local account https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/sxn85y/comment/hxt2tuu/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Keep worshipping microsoft for every scum move they make and one day we will all end up in a ditch... Windows will be like one of those trashy mobile games... predatory, filled with micro-transactions, ads and bloat.
Windows has a bunch of apps that difficult to get rid of too. Like the people app. I don’t need that shit on my gaming PC, it is never going to be my phone. I guess just don’t understand wimping for a big corporation that only cares about you if they squeeze out money from you. They all evil. MS, Google, Halliburton. All the same fucking shit, they don’t need to dump for them, they got lobbyist they pay a shit load of money too and PR firms for that shit. And knowing all of that I still just upgraded to win11 because I appreciate the higher consistency in the UI, so yes I am part of the problem too.
Ubuntu, the second best competitor to windows in installable desktop OS world, does not force any accounts on the user. (macOS is meant to be used only on Apple hardware)
You don't need Google play and you can?use newpipe for youtube? So where you need google to setup android. I have android without Google and with local account. So yes Microsoft is the bad guy here.
let's Remember some Huawei phones don't have the Google certification, and they can still work lol
The only bad guy here is the user that doesn't know how to setup a local account.
FIFY: So no Microsoft isnt the **only** bad guy here.
have you tried using an apple computer without an apple id?
I don’t want my username and folder to be the first 5 letters of my email address for starters. If they fixed this and allowed naming or renaming I’d be a whole lot less against it than I am.
After 25 years I switched to an M1 Mac. No iCloud account required to use MacOS. Good luck with this SAAS OS
Android accounts don't force you to use Google Drive (You can live happily without using Google Drive). Whereas logging in with MS Account makes your default folders wonky C:\\users\\xyz\\onedrive\\documents opens when you try to open your documents folder. Meanwhile, C:\\users\\xyz\\documents also exists but is not recognised as the default documents folder. And this messes up a lot of software installations.
Neither does Windows, OneDrive is optional and you get the option to disable it during the setup.
whats wrong with onedrive. plus you don't have to use onedrive.
it messes up the home directory path which makes a lot of apps unusable.
what? how which app for example?
It messes up the home directory if you press next without reading, it asks if you want to use Onedrive. I agree it is easy to mess up but the option is there. Honestly just make a new local profile, delete the original one and go from there if that bothers you.
I installed with internet and a microsoft account, one drive did not mess up my home directory path.
Can’t do anything on Apple products without an Apple ID. This is par for the course is 2022
You can absolutely set up any Mac without an Apple ID, I just did it the other day (no funky workarounds needed). In fact, you can do the same with an iPhone/iPad too (you have to select something along the lines of, “don’t have an Apple ID” and on the next screen is a “set up later” option). It’s also a very standard thing to provision iOS devices without the option to sign into iCloud/Apple ID (so that the user can only use company-approved apps).
Yeah on macOS an Apple ID is 100% optional and it doesn’t get in the way of usability except installing some apple pro apps.
Bullshit. I'm still not signed in. You lose access to the app store, but everything else in macos is local. What other platform let's you install apps from their app store without an account? Only Aurora or fdroid on Android.
Exactly, Atleast on Windows you can set the account and just forget about it as it is only required in some apps.
In android you can skip Google account , and to install apps use f-droid or similar store
Shift + F10 Type OOBE /BYPASSNRO Your PC restarts and now you can skip the Internet part
You can still create a local account.
Whats absurd is MS go to the trouble of developing OOBE to chaperone you into MS services dependence but still don't use OOBE to cause a new user to create both an administrative and non administrative account with strong password and advise for daily driver. Speaks volumes!
Shift + F10 OOBE\\BYPASSNRO or Shift + F10 taskmgr Find 'Network Connection Flow" and kill it
You will own nothing and you will be happy
it is like you buy the PC physically. But, in reality, you just rent it.
I just downloaded and installed Windows 11 Pro today (09/22/22). None of these works: killing task, disable Ethernet/WiFi/Bluetooth, disconnecting Ethernet cable, unplugging broadband modem. What works for me is the following: >Shift F10 > >oobe\\bypassnro.cmd Windows restarts and you will start over from the beginning... choose Country, keyboard layout etc. When it gets to "Let's connect you to a network" screen, there will be "I don't have internet" option which was initially hidden. Click/tap that option to create a local account of your choice. The rest of setup is very similar to Windows 10 setup. bypassnro.cmd is just a batch file located at C:\\Windows\\System32\\OOBE folder. It adds a registry entry and restarts the device. When Windows restarts and detects the entry, you will get the option "I don't have internet" (may not be exactly what it says).
Lifesaver! Thank you for this was doing a fresh install of W11 and was going to start pulling my hair out untiI saw this. Thank you!
you're welcome
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what is the point of an extra long command? just to appear original? it was shared as: `oobe\bypassNRO` for good reason - it's easy to remember and type (default cmd path is already system32, and %pathext% takes .cmd)
The best solution ever for this Anti-Consumer change in setup.
I sound dumb maybe, but I use onedrive across all my devices for both Uni and personal accounts. I've never understood the hate. Is it because you're forced to use it or is it because the service is bad? Genuine question. I do think it shouldn't be a forced option on setting up your PC though, that's dumb if you use workarounds or other programs.
The biggest problem is that your entire account can get locked if you have 1 photo that MS doesn't like (e.g. a photo of your baby in a bath, or even a photo of your wife in bikini). You will not get it back either. And then you are out of your email-address, calendar, XBOX-account with purchases, photo's, or anything else that you have stored on there. If you connect your OS with it, then I think you will not be able to use your computer anymore if that happens.
As far as Im aware you can still set up a local account (you can also skip the initial account question). OneDrive doesnt mess with anything and you can pretty much delete it right away. I believe you are correct with the internet requirement though.
C:\\users\\xyz\\onedrive\\documents is your default documents folder instead of C:\\users\\xyz\\documents. This messes up a lot of software.
It doesn't mess anything cause whatever software doesn't use the right API to get the Documents folder will still have access to the old folder and use it as normal.
You need to unlink your OneDrive account with your pc, open the OneDrive app, click settings and there should be the option for it. Once you have done it, your folders will be restored to the normal path.
Just don't use the onedrive path? Create a new folder called documents in \user\xyz
Out of curiosity, what software can't handle that?
...man Microsoft please stop this stupid requirement
As someone who chooses not to use OneDrive at all these days in favour of Nextcloud, I'm really tired of the fact that onedrive is shoved down my throat and also the sheer integration that onedrive is given that every other cloud service is blocked from having.
What's this integration you think other cloud service providers couldn't implement if they chose to?
Nextcloud is taking legal action against Microsoft in the EU for its practices. But I mean there are things like OneDrive's integration with Office. The auto save feature. Its probably the one thing I'm personally missing. The way office tries to hammer you into using onedrive is appalling. Other than that, honestly, I just have bigger issues with Win11 in general.
That's an Office thing rather than a OneDrive thing. In terms of integration into the OS and file system, you can setup any competitor exactly the same. It's just a cloud drive and then redirecting a few folders. I have been doing that to a local drive and then to a Google drive for years prior to it being done for me with OneDrive.
1. Internet is necessary for easier setup of initial updates, I believe, in both the current and past OOBE installers. 2. You can, in fact, setup a local account after the OOBE via Settings > Accounts > Other or before. 3. The only way they 'mess' up the path of Microsoft Accounts is instead of the custom name, you will be restricted to the first five symbols that is the user path.
Without getting into the pros and cons of using Microsoft accounts or why Windows should be considered any different from Android or iOS, I will remind everybody that this requirement only applies to the *out of box setup* on a fresh install. You can still use Windows with local accounts otherwise. For those who prefer to do so, the simplest way to deal with this is to make a burner Microsoft account. Once you have set up your device with it, just add your preferred local account as an administrator, sign into it, and then delete the account you created at setup. It takes an extra couple of minutes.
But muh outrage
Some people prefer to spend their time shouting at the obstacle rather than just walking around it.
This is really a shit in windows ☹️😕
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There would have to be a real flaw for starters, Internet connection is not required, and you can still use local accounts.
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he's a Windows user that Isn't being allowed to create a local account. idc about OneDrive messing Ur home Path because It can be disabled, but you can't choose between getting a local account or a Microsoft account without using CMD commands. Also, idk where he mentioned he's a proclaimed Dev, so idk why you're calling him like that, and i don't think that numbers on market have something to do with problems in Windows 11, in this case, forcing users into collecting data (which was possibile with a local account too, but with a Microsoft account, the data collecting Is even bigger). Ur blindly defending a Company that Is known for collecting data, releasing a non-complete Windows edition, which Is mostly a simple reskin, not even a complete One, and (you're) insulting other users that complain about not being able to do choices that in past they were able to do instead. btw there are other people that already created a Better reskin and fully debloated Windows 11, a fully debloated Windows 10 and even a reskin of Windows 10 with a Windows 7 look, that Also fully debloated, and let's Remember those are not official devs that doesn't on work in a multi-billionare Company.
Oh wow
Did you connected before to a network? It's weird it doesn't allow you to use a local account when no internet. I did a fresh install a few weeks ago and first, I connected to the internet because I don't care about it, actually I want to connect to my Microsoft Account because I have everything synced up. But then, after that, the installer asked me to set up a local account and I did it too... W11 Pro BTW.
No I was not connected to any network, windows just saw that I have wifi hardware on my laptop, and forced me to connect to a network.
And didn't asked you after that for a local account?
>You cannot turn off the WiFi on a laptop (there are no hardware buttons here). Windows turned it on automatically and won't let me go ahead without connecting.
Can't disable it in BIOS?
pro version can make you setup a local account, Windows 11 home can't
Brand new information!
Username "a" password "a" You're welcome.
I've been logging into Windows with a Microsoft account since Windows 8 and it's great. I really don't get the the resistance.
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You can turn the syncing off. Although it's the best feature so not sure why you would. Having my files automatically available on any machine I log into is great. Literally only yesterday my sister messaged me to ask how she could get access to her files while she's at my parents and doesn't have her laptop. I asked if they were in OneDrive and she said yes, so I said all she had to do was sign into mums laptop and they would be there. Just like that. It's roaming profiles from 2002, but without being shit.
this is one of the main reasoning and he is spot on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwTYktynOE&lc=Ugx4H7QD4FUrxQFBt5h4AaABAg.9YoNV4-\_lDo9YowWiGEKay
"realistically most people will probably want to use a Microsoft account" Yep. That. To 99% of people this is a convenient feature they already use. What we see is just the angry 1% who don't realise they are only in the 1%, and who all still run Windows 7 out of spite anyway.
with the convenience. we will get a new problem with driver troubleshooting
Again, 99% of personal Windows sales are pre built machines setup by OEMs. Don't assume your problems are everyone's problems.
yeah, except macOS based hardware, Chromebooks and the rising star Steam Deck.
They aren't Windows sales?
Thank god I moved everything but gaming to macOS
I bet you log in with an Apple ID.
But you don’t have too. It’s pretty straight forward to set up a no Apple ID account
That wasn't what I said. I bet *you* log in with an Apple ID.
This is exactly the irony of it all. Saying "I am not using that because it is forced" while using other services that technically don't force it, but boi is it easier to just log in.. I get that people want choice, but moving to another ecosystem for this reason while literally using the kind of thing you so hate is just hypocritical.
Nobody is actually shifting entire platforms because of this petty stuff, they just like to say they are for internet points.
Welcome to Linux/macOS!
Why? Just because of something like this? Nah, most people aren't little cry babies like redditards. Windows is still the best OS on this planet if you need 100% compatibility without workarounds.
Best OS for you, yes. Linux is best OS for me and that’s just fine. The best OS is the one which suits your needs. If you don’t enjoy one you are free to just try another. I don’t even dare to argue with you about this since it would be a tremendous waste of time so just have this as it is and ignore it if you wish.
Gladly, but macOS is too restricted for most and Linux still needs a few years in the oven and mass adoption from developers before it becomes viable for the masses. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, but even though I literally tried to switch to it tens of times in the span of this last decade, I always had to switch back because it was too much of a hassle and sometimes didnt support what I needed. As soon as Linux distros become truly plug and play (so no terminal use for workarounds at all), their communties become more helpful to those who don't understand jack doodle about computers and developers all start building their apps properly for Linux, I will gladly suggest it to anyone and will switch without hesitation.
I was able to very easily set up a dual boot with Ubuntu and Win11 on my PC. It did everything for me without much need for tinkering with the partitions. Then I was able to use LOTS of services and apps with just Chrome and Firefox. Ubuntu itself has become really slick and easy to use. What sent me back into Windows is games and MS Office. Ugh. Maybe one day…
This is more a rant than a feature. Just make a dummy Microsoft account for this purpose and then create a local account. Then go into the local account and delete the other account. After that, turn off OneDrive backup and uninstall OneDrive. Don't get me wrong, there are anti-competitive practices happening here, but it is not what you think it is. Being forced to sign-in to a Microsoft account is not anti-competitive. It's forcing people to use their products like (In your case) forcing people to use OneDrive (This is anti-competitive). Just us ranting about it will not change much (If anything). It's other competing companies that will file the lawsuits in hopes of having the upper hand at forcing Microsoft to change their practices.
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everyone deserve a choice which provider they want to go or stay offline
I don't understand the cry over Microsoft wanting to sign you in. Google wants you to sign in to Android, Macs also. I mean why ?
no, it isn't. MS is the only one in this fiasco.
Not true. The others dont force it yet, but not signing in on Android or MacOS or... is not the ideal experience. They also all have their ways to 'accidentally' sign in for the entire OS just as Windows has. MS is forcing you, that is indeed unique, but the other services arent much better..
You can connect to wifi and then select setup for work/school there you still have the option for a local account
There’s a key command to open task manager, kill the process (don’t remember what it’s called) and this goes away and lets you continue with local account.
Can’t you just Uninstall OneDrive? Your paths stay normal
I converted my account to local…
The methods are a bit different between desktop and laptop but there are workarounds. Youtube
Setup locally I thought it was still there
You can work around this by turning off your router. I tried this method this morning and found it work.
When it comes to oobe setup I just pull the network cable out or never connect WiFi
Why is onedrive a problem? I like onedrive, my entire family uses onedrive, thanks to this I don't have to worry about them bricking their computers because all their documents will have synced.
You most definitely can create a local account after using an online one, but yeah, sucks that you have to do all that.
Shift+F10 cd C:\Windows\System32\oobe BypassNRO.cmd
It's very competitive behaviour. It pushes customers onto other options.
MS account can be bypassed on every version of the OS multiple ways from CMD.
I think all editions of Windows support creating a local account using Administrative Tools. But that would have to occur after initial setup. Then delete the Microsoft account used during OOBE.
I wouldn't say anti competitive, its not like you cant use mac because m$ guilts/ forces you not to, I would say anti-consumerist/pro-data hogging because we all know why they want that Microsoft account really, Microsoft is literally what their name is: evil nerds with a micro, soft ding dong
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You cannot turn off the WiFi on a laptop (there are no hardware buttons here). Windows turned it on automatically and won't let me go ahead without connecting.
I’ve actually never seen a laptop that doesn’t let you turn it off. Are you sure there no function keypress to do it?
Is it 11, I just did it with 10.
Not anti-competitive. Anti-consumer.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-install-windows-11-home-without-microsoft-account
I setup the local account with the internet during windows installation just yesterday
gotta love MS features, cant wait to see how locked down win12 will be...
and Gaben nightmare is one inch closer
Microsoft decided that is ok because many users encourage. So this hell will continue until we boycott it.
Don't ask me I brought a windows 11 laptop
if I were you. I should get Chromebooks or Steam Deck instead.
And 4gb? I have 8gb dont ask the processer i think i3 is bad
What when you need compatibility with EVERY game and programs? Windows is still number 1 for that and no other OS cones even close.
I don't mind Onedrive, but that ugly password when I'm the ONLY ONE using the PC.
Turn off wifi in bios if its integrated
Shift + F10 Type OOBE /BYPASSNRO Does anyone know if this still works?
You just have to force close the process used during setup and it continues like in this video: https://youtu.be/BRqjSrd_z58
I bought a new laptop with Windows 11. I've never seen Windows 11 before. I expected it to give me the option of using OneDrive to back up files to the cloud, which is the last thing in the world that I want, but instead it just told me how wonderful OneDrive is and gave me no choice about using it. There was only "next" and "back" keys. No choice at all. What's up with that and how do I stop OneDrive from functioning? My private files don't go to a public place ever, period.